.
I didn’t really expect to be pleased when (if) the Treasury actually announced plans to use a woman’s picture on American currency. Sure, I wanted to see Harriet Tubman on the twenty, but I also want to be 6’4″ and a millionaire and that ain’t happening either. From the New Yorker:
… On the Facebook page for the Women on 20s campaign, some of the most-liked comments criticized the Treasury Department’s decision. “Women ask to be on the $20, so we get offered the $10,” one person wrote. “Never, never give a woman what she asks for.” Another commented, “Placing a woman on a bill with Alexander Hamilton makes the same sexist statement that our currency has made all along—that a woman cannot be independent or important without a man.” And, “A man gets ‘final say’ over which woman. This feels like a slap in the face.”
The Treasury Department said that it had good reasons for its approach. The ten-dollar bill was already in the process of being redesigned, in part to safeguard against security threats. And it is produced in relatively low numbers, which will make it easier to insure a smoother transition. (The Treasury Department makes minor changes to bills all the time, but it hasn’t changed a portrait on a bill since the nineteen-twenties.) The department also pointed out that it is trying to be more democratic than usual. While the Treasury Secretary has final say on banknote designs, and usually takes advice only from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, this time Lew and other officials plan to spend the summer holding public meetings to get citizens’ input. There’s even a hashtag, #TheNew10, and a Web site, thenewten.treasury.gov, where people are invited to share their ideas…
When Treasury Secretary Jack Lew announced we’d settle for the ten and like it, because process, obvious jokes were obvious…
The fact that a (rumored) black man and woman have to share space on a dollar bill is the most American thing ever
— Adam Serwer (@AdamSerwer) June 18, 2015
Andrew Jackson must have some really good dirt on Jack Lew.
— Dan Primack (@danprimack) June 18, 2015
Screw Alexander Hamilton, that crony capitalist, we need a woman on the $10 bill pic.twitter.com/L5XL3XWrOM
— Justin Raimondo (@JustinRaimondo) June 18, 2015
There is only one true choice to put on the new $10 bill. pic.twitter.com/STx56AbacP
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) June 18, 2015
Per the NYTimes:
… “Some people are saying it’s a lesser bill, and in fact it is a lesser bill both in value and in the fact that it is much less widely viewed and circulated,” Ms. Stone said. “It’s not the face we see at the bank coming out of the A.T.M.”…
Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a Democrat of New Hampshire who had introduced legislation to put a woman on the $20 bill, said in an interview that she would file a new measure specifying the $10 note instead. She acknowledged that an administration can redesign currency without Congressional action, but said, “This is just a way to keep the pressure on.”…
But it turns out there are not only many feminists out there, but quite a few Alexander Hamilton fans…
Hard choices: Should we get rid of the hard-working immigrant on the $10 bill or the homicidal racist on the $20 bill? Hmmmmm
— Binyamin Appelbaum (@BCAppelbaum) June 18, 2015
So anti-central bank Indian genocide junkie Jackson stays on the $20 while American hero Alexander Hamilton is off the $10?
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) June 18, 2015
just as long as the genocidal criminal assjack stays on the $20
— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) June 17, 2015
"Maybe the Treasury Department is working through some Oedipal issues." http://t.co/514eG6iliV
— Neil Irwin (@Neil_Irwin) June 18, 2015
In deal, Grant goes to $20 (saved the Union), Jackson eats a bag of dicks, Hamilton moves to $50 and woman gets $10. Sec. Kaczynski decrees
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) June 18, 2015
Bill Pascrell has brought the "Trail of Tears" into the face of currency debate http://t.co/8nDNhKbjgh
— Niels Lesniewski (@nielslesniewski) June 19, 2015
I'm so pissed off about this idea of replacing Hamilton with #theNewTen I want to challenge someone to a duel. WHERE THE HELL IS TRUMP??!!
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) June 18, 2015
ETA: I grew up in NYC, where the mercantilist hustler Hamilton was very much “our” Founding Father. (And, yes, the nuns in my parochial school told us that his enemies’ line about “the bastard brat of a Scottish peddler” referred to the rumor that his Bermudan mother was a person of color — not that the Scots were considered entirely “white” during Hamilton’s lifetime, either.) So, I should’ve expected that Wall Street/finance types would be pro-Hamiltonian; I just didn’t expect them to have such strong opinions!
Chris
What the fuck?
Amir Khalid
Ayn Rand for the US$20 note? A Game of Thrones character whose name, uh, escapes me? I’d also like to nominate Dana Katherine Scully, MD, and Marge Simpson.
fuckwit
Um, the obvious answer is: how about a woman on the 20 AND the 10?
There’s more than one woman in American history. I’m sure we can find two. We can do more if we want to make it really equal, but I don’t think anyone is ever going to replace Washington on the $1, nor would I advise that anyway.
Also, a person of color on the $50.
Mike J
General Sherman for the $20.
srv
Why don’t we just sell the damn rights and have a billionaire cage fight between Oprah and the Koch Ayn Randers?
Howard Beale IV
July 4th will be National Burn the Confederate Flag Day.
Gimlet
A woman on the $10 bill?
I thought Babs was already on the $1 bill.
Tommy
@fuckwit: I usually have an opinion on just everything, but not sure who we should put on the bill. It would seem to me if you got together a group of historians (my father is one BTW) they might come up with a lot of name of women that has a profound, profound effect on our nation and I’d have to Google them just to figure our who they are.
Catherine D.
Clang, clang, clang go the tone-deaf.
Howard Beale IV
RADM Grace Murray Hopper.
Liquid
“Khaleesi to replace Andrew Jackson on the Twenty Dollar Bill.” <- I could live with that.
Anne Laurie
@fuckwit:
Harriet Tubman on the $20 is a two-fer.
jl
@srv:
” Why don’t we just sell the damn rights and have a billionaire cage fight between Oprah and the Koch Ayn Randers? ”
Interesting idea. But those pikers won’t even rate in the top ten. Dunkin’ Donuts probably will win the one. McDonalds or Burger King or Carls fight over the five and ten. Verizon fights with some other telecom company for higher denominations. Ford and GM duke it out over a spot on the grand.
I don’t care much who is on the bills, as long as they are half way respectable (which may leave out one the faces on it now). Why not famous artists and scientists, like some countries do? So, I’m game for Mark Twain, John Singer Sargent, and BB King and Ella Fitzgerald. and some others on the bills. Hey, Ben Franklin might be able to stay on one of them, along with Barbara ‘jumping genes’ McClintock.
Professor
.We do not have this problem in the UK. Because we have a woman’s effigy (head) on all our currency (notes as well as coins) so Americans deal with it.As you know we do value our women.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@fuckwit:
As alluded to in a couple of the above tweets, there are longstanding theories that Alexander Hamilton had some African ancestry, most likely his maternal grandmother. It’s a hard thing to prove, because race was rarely noted for free black people. This NYT article is interesting, though it has a correction/clarification about Hamilton at the bottom:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/08/garden/surprises-in-the-family-tree.html
Short version: it’s not unusual for African-Americans to have a mix of slave and free ancestors, not to mention freeborn relatives who “crossed over” to become white at some point. The line between “slave” and “indentured servant” was pretty thin through the 1700s and a child born to an indentured servant mother and a slave father was automatically free (slavery was passed down through the maternal line).
fuckwit
@jl: Oh man. Miles Davis on the $50.
Kropadope
Wait, so she won’t even be getting her own bill? That’s some premium grade B.S. right there.
Also, they’re doing the $10 because it is due for a redesign? I get that, I suppose, but I think it would have been worth it to wait to get rid of that genocidal gold-buggering asshole who’s currently on the $20.
jl
I’m mixed about choice between Hamilton and Jackson. Jackson should go if you want half-respectable people on there.
But if Hamilton gets the boot, will be temporary fun watching reactionaries and wingnuts defend the honor of a big government, social engineering (through tax policy aimed primarily at lazy ass tax dodging westerners), anti-strict constructionist, anti-laissez faire, radical anti-slavery and pro voting rights, proto-modern social science and statistics loving Founder.
SiubhanDuinne
@fuckwit:
I’ve thought for a long time that the U.S. should follow the example of other countries and make our banknotes different colors, so why not take your suggestion and make the $50 kind of blue?
Germy Shoemangler
Replace Jackson with Mankiller
Liquid
@Kropadope — “Hey we’ll replace someone worthy of celebration with another person worthy of celebration but for the wrong reasons and if you object you’re against women… etc.”
ETA — Just to show how painfully white I am the only recent mention of Alexander Hamilton I can remember was from Wallace.
KG
@jl: apparently, presidents (along with Hamilton, Franklin and Chase ($10k)) were chosen by a committee in 1929 because they would have been the most recognizable figures for most people. i wouldn’t mind seeing other people on the money, but my guess is the fight over that would be crazy.
also, apparently, the $1 bill is exempt from redesign because changing it would mess up vending machines – which seems strange because vending machines take larger bills now too – and was justified because there is an incredibly low threat of counterfeiting.
jl
@fuckwit: No shit. Bring out a new set every five or ten years. We got so many people could put on those. And sports! Babe Ruth, Billy Jean King. And why not accomplished first-ladies: Eleanor Roosevelt, Abigail Adams.
Frederick Douglass… Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys. Check this: George Burns and Gracie Allen.
No one will want to go back to boring presidents.
JPL
We could start a rumor, that the reason the female is going on the ten, is the twenty is for Obama.
I hope to see Rosa Parks on the Ten.
Omnes Omnibus
I came across this earlier today. I think it is awesome.
Kropadope
@jl: I like the idea of the frequent portrait change. Not only will it give us more opportunities to showcase more of our awesome citizens, it may give people a bit of motivation to open up a history book.
So many things change on the bills so frequently. Why can’t the portraits?
mdblanche
@Professor: But isn’t she eventually going to be replaced by a man? At which point Canada will have loons on both sides of its dollar coin?
Cervantes
@jl:
That would annoy all the right people.
different-church-lady
Proving once again that there is not one single thing liberals cannot find fault with.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: Quoth the person finding fault.
AliceBlue
I’m sorry, I guess I’m a bad feminist, but fretting over which woman is going to be on which bill isn’t one of the things that keep me lying awake at night.
different-church-lady
@Kropadope: They’re talking about shuffling Alex off to somewhere in the design of the back of the bill. AFAIK, it’s not going to be a pair of heads on the front.
SiubhanDuinne
@Tommy:
I’ll actually bet there are a lot you wouldn’t have to Google at all — they would be that well known. Others — yes, probably. But AFAIAC, we might as well put less famous but equally significant people on our currency, if only so that consumers look at the banknotes and wonder “Hmmm, who is this?” and perhaps learn a little something about a fellow (sister) American.
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m just making an observation!
Aleta
@Catherine D.:
Ding, ding, ding go the dim
Baud
Is it common for women to wish to be that tall? That’d tall even for a dude.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cervantes: The vast majority of the people who would be annoyed by that wouldn’t know enough to know that they “should” be annoyed.
KG
@SiubhanDuinne:
yup, that’s not going to happen, can’t promote people learnin’ stuff. might upset all the amazingness that is ‘Merca in the 21st by gawd century!
wasabi gasp
Sis O’Ben
jl
@Cervantes: Oh, yeah. Three could be a fancy pants very refined and sissy series of nineteenth century effete and snooty painters. Sargent, Whistler, Cassatt, Spent most of their time in Europe.
Or, could put American Gothic on a bill. Or that pic of an early US election day, everyone is drunk. that would make a great bill.
shell
@different-church-lady: What do you think blogs are for?
Woodrowfan
I’d rather keep Hamilton and ditch Jackson.
any bets Congress uses this to put Reagan on a bill?? When you redesign one, why not take the opportunity to redo two??
Baud
I wish our money could have portraits that move around like on Harry Potter.
SiubhanDuinne
@Woodrowfan:
A bill I hope will never find its way into my wallet.
AdamK
Put all women on all the money for the next 3 centuries just to try for a little balance. Preferably lesbians of color.
Cervantes
@Woodrowfan:
If only they had the authority, it would have been done years ago!
Until now they have not dared to over-step that line.
different-church-lady
@shell: I thought they were for teaching people one weird trick.
Kropadope
@different-church-lady:
Hmm, this is pretty faulty. The government scarcely acknowledges the Women on 20s campaign or any of the feedback it got from people. Then they choose the 10 specifically because it isn’t circulated as much. Meanwhile, the vile shitstain on the 20 who should certainly not be celebrated gets to keep his spot? It’s a little bit of a slap in the face.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Ayn Rand on the $20, that’s fiat currency you know.
Origuy
It’s my understanding that Hamilton’s picture will remain in the watermark. I don’t know why they aren’t changIng that. I’m also wondering how much the bill recognizers in vending machines will need to be changed.
jl
@different-church-lady: If we want to be exposed to some insane arcana of the US reactionaries, could but Hamilton on the front of one, and Tench Coxe (Hamilton’s statistician-historian-economist assistant) on the back.
There is a looney theory that Hamilton really was too a free market loving, small government Jeffersonian economics type of guy,. But that damn sneaky proto-commie Tenche Coxe just kept writing lefty stuff into Hamilton’s reports faster than Hamilton (who, you know was so slow on the uptake, and at getting things done) could edit it out.
The possibilities for trolling with more creative faces on the money are endless. I want it. I want it now.
Cervantes
@AdamK:
That would be my inclination, too.
@Germy Shoemangler:
No better choice.
@Omnes Omnibus:
They are an ignorant bunch, you’re right.
different-church-lady
@Kropadope: And what if when the time for the redesign of the $20 comes along and they put a second woman on it?
If they redesigned the $10 without changing the honoree, you bet people would be grousing that they missed the opportunity to put a woman on it. It’s just how we liberals roll.
Chris
@jl:
Hamilton is a Founding Father.
The Founding Fathers are second only to Jesus on the list of people they idolize unquestioningly while being careful never to actually listen to a word they said.
SiubhanDuinne
@Origuy:
Job creation!
jl
@Kropadope: I agree that the plan sounds more than a little chickenshit. So, I am for a campaign of having only women on the money, to make amends.
different-church-lady
@Chris: All the more reason Jackson should get the boot.
Kropadope
@different-church-lady: Hmm, alternate universe theory is unknowable. I also doubt that to be correct, especially if there were already a redesigned 20 in the pipeline.
Woodrowfan
create a new $3.00 bill and put Reagan’s face on it. Make some wingnut heads explode..
Chris
@different-church-lady:
Jackson is one of these people that I’ve thought from a fairly young age really didn’t belong on the $20 bill, but never expected to see a serious discussion of whether he should be booted, just because people love their goddamn symbols so much.
I’m impressed the conversation even got this far.
different-church-lady
@KG: Well, it used to happen…
Chris
@Woodrowfan:
I’d rather see Reagan’s face on an IOU for the size of the deficit he left us.
jl
@Chris: Hamilton was very conservative in some ways, and made favorable noises about things that would horrify us, and in fact bothered some of his contemporaries. His advocacy of child labor in factories, for one thing.
But in other ways, he would never last on Fox News, even as the liberal foil, since he would not be a good foil, and make them look ignorant and slow.
He was really big on voting rights, had to be as widespread as possible for House elections. I read in a biography he was big on voting rights for minority groups, and got rocks thrown at him for giving blacks rides to polling place one election. Wish I could remember where I read that to check accuracy of my memory. But IIRC, that would be nice scene for one of our fine democratic moneys.
I do know for a fact that at constitutional convention, he said if voter turnout got to low in elections, compulsory voting laws might be needed in order to keep election results legitimate in the eyes of the public. See, how foreign and bizarre some of Obama’s ideas are? That would be a good quote of a Founder to put prominently on a piece of our wonderful boring moneys.
Germy Shoemangler
donald trump’s chilling scene in Stephen King’s IT
different-church-lady
@Chris: Yeah, even when I was a kid it was like, “Jackson… Jackson… somehow doesn’t belong with these other guys, but I can’t put my finger on why…”
Joel
Apropos of nothing, if it weren’t for Hamilton, that idiot Jefferson would have driven this country into a ditch.
Baud
@Woodrowfan:
It really should have a negative denomination to be historically accurate.
Kropadope
@jl:
Find a person from that time-period who didn’t think at least one thing that was completely horrifying, then I’ll be impressed. At least Hamilton didn’t take the army and displace all the children from an entire region and place them into factories.
Aleta
@Howard Beale IV: Some other ideas here.
(photos by Tom Adelsbach; scroll down aways)
Kropadope
@Woodrowfan:
Perhaps the back could show George HW Bush colluding with the Iranians against America.
different-church-lady
@Kropadope: Now that would qualify for an “educational series”.
Pogonip
@Amir Khalid: Marge for the win!
Pogonip
@Baud: No, you don’t want to be a six-foot woman; my cousin’s a 6-footer and has a terrible time finding clothes.
Gene108
@Mike J:
Sherman was head of the Army during the Plains Wars against the Native Americans.
In short, Custer and the like reported to Sherman.
As a historical figure, like so many, he has good points and points considered less good now.
Origuy
@SiubhanDuinne: Yeah, the problem is that most of those jobs are going to be in the public sector. Soda machines don’t take tens; bus pass machines do.
Gene108
Also, too if putting a woman on currency notes will be a thing by 2020, winning the White House in 2016 becomes imparitive, can you imagine the horrible choice a Republican President would make?
Hawes
Hamilton and Lafayette convinced Washington that slavery was evil. He freed his slaves posthumously because of those two
Omnes Omnibus
@Pogonip: There is nothing wrong with six foot tall women.
Liquid
Were you referring to this — http://jezebel.com/giant-women-gripe-about-being-tall-in-new-reality-show-1712209918
Cervantes
@jl:
True of New York Federalists in general in those days; they openly supported a wide and inclusive franchise.
Whereas their Republican contemporaries were pretty awful on the subject, just as they are today. Like Lee Atwater and his mentors and his heirs, they portrayed free African-Americans as shiftless, inferior, and downright unfit for citizenship — so as to provoke the rest of the electorate into voting against their opponents — and needless to say, it worked.
Baud
@jl:
I don’t think you can really apply the modern left/right framework to pre-civil-war politics.
jl
@Hawes: And Hamilton also wanted to use threat of British invasion of the South and recruitment of slaves as Brit soldiers to squeeze Southern states into ending slavery. He hatched the idea with his platonic (or maybe not) beloved John Laurens from South Carolina. Washington said to them, in somewhat more formal terms: ‘Have you gone completely bonkers? They would rather continue fighting on their own that go with that idea.”
The idea was to end slave through mass enlistments of ex-slaves in the Continental Army.
Actually, IIRC Washington was OK with blacks in the army, and there were many early on in the North. And IIRC, Washington gave some medals to black soldiers, though very discreetly. But as the South became more important in the war, circumstances led Washington to discourage it. Or maybe Congress limited it, and Washington acquiesced. I forget.
Anyway, a lot of interesting US history is gone of Hamilton goes. A lot of interesting history goes if Jackson goes too, but problem he was on the wrong side of most of it. For example, “The Supreme Court has made its decision. Now let them enforce it.”
Aleta
I’d be happy to forgo pictures of humans on all the bills and switch to disappeared redwood forests, glaciers in Olympic N. Park, or monarchs or polar bears, or something as bizarrely unthinkable as that. Or pretty bugs of some sort ….
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud:
I apply it to the Council of Constance.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
You would.
jl
@Baud: I agree. But since the reactionaries have manufactured a huge lie about the Founders being 100 percent in agreement with their partisan viewpoints, I feel it is important to fight back.
Voting rights is one, though a touchy subject since most of them only wanted white men to vote, you have to adjust for changing attitudes over the centuries.
But read Madison on the pros and cons of different methods of voting, qualifications for franchise, and voting fraud, and his calculus of costs and benefits are, I think to ‘the left’ of recent supreme court decisions on voter ID laws. He saw voting fraud as a fact of life, didn’t ignore dangers of systematic voting fraud behind the scenes and freak out over in-person voting fraud, and saw that the costs of limiting the franchise (for white men in his neck of the woods) were also high.
So, yeah, to some extent the very idea is anachronistic. But the way reactionaries have appropriate ‘the holy blessedl Founders’ as their own infuriates me.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: No need to make it personal, you bastard.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: The Siege of Malta definitely proves HRC is on the right track on social security disability program, IMHO.
Kropadope
@jl: The only founding document they revere are the Articles of Confederation and the only founding fathers they credit are the ones who shoe-horned slavery into the Constitution.
Mike J
@jl: If they had handed over the Maltesers everyone would have been happy,
Liquid
If twenty-six children weren’t enough to change things..
NCSteve
The fact that a significant number of Native Americans categorically refuse to use twenties–the most convenient denomination in deck at current dollar value levels apparently means nothing to the Villagers. They make do with more tens and a fifties than any of the rest of us ever carry because, as far as they’re concerned, it’s the equivalent of putting a picture of Amon Goeth on the hundred shekel note.
jl
@Kropadope: Pinckney men, huh? Though one of the Pinckneys was active in defending rights of early Islamic community in Charleston. They must be big fans of some of the other die hard Southern slave holders at the Convention. They should talk about them more, instead of mooks like Washington, who was, as pointed out above, not altogether reliable.
Baud
So much history to look up on wikipedia.
MazeDancer
Trail of Tears, people. If Mitt can say “Take Down the Flag”, the rest of us can say “Take down Jackson”.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Omnes Omnibus: Good lord, I hope not. Phoebe would kick my ass if I said there was.
mai naem mobile
It should.be Jackson off. Hamilton did some constructive stuff.
I originally wanted Eleanor Roosevelt partly because of RW brains exploding and partly because she deserves it. Second choice was Harriet Tubman because she deserves it too. But, the one who still makes a difference in our lives in a very tangible financial sense is Frances Perkins. It also in a symbolic way strengthens social security when we need it the most.
sharl
@Baud:
You ain’t kidding. Why, the number of time siege has been laid to Malta alone… (see #89)
Omnes Omnibus
@sharl: But only one was great.
rikyrah
Orphan Black Season Finale!!
JPL
@MazeDancer: Jeb came out this afternoon and said the same thing and Cruz said it’s up to the state..
Baud
@JPL:
Last time, Gingrich won South Carolina, so which ever Republican panders the most for the flag will likely win.
Belafon
The $10 dollar bill is up for redesign including the security enhancements. The mint says “this would be a good time to put a woman on the bill.” And everyone freaks out because it’s not the twenty. I will downding them for not completely replacing the person.
Imagine how Lincoln must feel being on the 5.
sharl
@Omnes Omnibus: For a tease-reply, I went to grab text from the Wikipedia entry for the 1429 Malta siege – this text:
Then before sauntering back here, got to wondering about the source of Reference 7 for the bit I bolded above.
It goes to a fucking post at Stormfront!!!
I didn’t click it, but the post title is (or at least was) “1492 – Malta’s Forgotten Saracen Siege – Victory for Malta! – Victory for Europe!”, because of course.
Jeeeeezle pete, Wikipedia…
Baud
@sharl:
Always check your sources.
KG
@efgoldman: there’s already a spider on the $1…
@jl: the two Founders that would have been best able to adjust to modern American life were Hamilton and Franklin. And the idea of Hamilton being a talking head on cable news delights me because I could see him challenging Hannity to a duel.
KG
@efgoldman: too soon.
jl
@efgoldman: Lincoln feels ashamed that, because of our debased currency, he can’t even get you a damn Big Mac Meal anymore.
NotMax
Should anyone want to access the site mentioned in the blockquote, that URL incorrect*.
The correct link is this one.
*Shame on the storied New Yorker fact checkers.
Steeplejack
Heavy weather here in NoVA this evening. The Emergency Broadcast System is buzzing across the TV screen with tornado warnings just to the west of me, and I’ve had heavy rain on and off with occasional booming thunder. Had a power fluctuation that rebooted the cable box and nuked my recording of Gone Girl on HBO. I reset that for tomorrow and also changed my recording of Orphan Black from now to the later showing after midnight.
It could be worse. I just got off the phone with some friends outside Atlanta who had a tree fall across some power lines and cut the power to their whole subdivision. They don’t know when it will be back on.
I haven’t had much to eat today, and suddenly I’m hungry. So it looks like dinnertime for me.
Hmm, one thing I’ve never noticed before: the housecat is completely unfazed by the weather. She is dozing peacefully at her workstation beside me. Which is weird, because there are times when if I look at her funny she acts like “It’s a hit!” and runs out of the room. Usually when we meet in the hallway going opposite directions. Stupid cat.
Suzanne
@Anne Laurie: Harriet Tubman is my choice, too. Especially in light of this week’so events.
NotMax
@woodrowfan
Silly, the $3 bill is reserved for Liberace.
(rimshot)
Omnes Omnibus
@sharl: Wow.
@Steeplejack: I heard there was hail in your area as well.
Baud
@KG:
My understanding of Franklin is that he would have really appreciated the easy access to internet porn that we have today.
Anne Laurie
@Baud:
I would like to look down physically at (most of) the dudes I look down upon metaphorically.
jl
@KG: I thought it was Burr who challenged Hamilton for (historians guess) privately accusing him of incest in order to sink his career.
So, was Hamilton big on dueling? I didn’t know that.
But, just a thought, if we have Jackson on a bill, why not Burr?
Omnes Omnibus
@Anne Laurie: Have you considered stilts?
Anne Laurie
@jl:
That is for sure a loony theory. Even when he was alive & inventing the Treasury Department, his opponents screamed that he was a far-leftist radical immigrant-peasant-urbanist-encouraging fiat-currency-loving innocent-mind-poisoning anarchist. And he agreed with them! In person, and in writing!
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
@Omnes Omnibus:
Or really high heels?
jl
Oh, fer gawds, sake, can’t FYWP tell this is a high toned history convo here at BJ?
I thought it was Burr who challenged Hamilton for (historians guess) privately accusing him of ****** (d * ddl * ng his d * ght * r?) in order to sink his career?
So, was Hamilton big on dueling? I didn’t know that.
But, just a thought, if we have Jackson on a bill, why not Burr? and William Walker? Dub and Cheney would probably sign on for William Walker on the hundred.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anne Laurie: You forgot latte-drinking and wine-sipping.
Gene108
@mai naem mobile:
I also think Francis Perkins should be on currency.
Might be sort of symmetric to replace one influential Cabinet Secretary with another.
jl
@Anne Laurie: Hamilton was a natural born bastard. Do we want to kick the only bastard who got that title honorably off our money? We have pics of lots of bastards who got that title dishonorably on our stuff. And we kick the one honest one off. I call bullshit.
Edit: maybe remind the fundies that Franklin’s only semi-honest family arrangement was a common-law marriage. They will want that degenerate off asap.
Edit2: more I think about, i want rotating pics. Let’s start with ten years of just women on the moneys.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: So, it’s stilts then.
NotMax
@efgoldman
But she’s tall for her height.
raven
Wobble Baby
Anne Laurie
@Woodrowfan:
… especially the older wingnuts who still use the expression “queer as a three-dollar bill” just to snigger at the word queer.
jl
@Gene108:
” Might be sort of symmetric to replace one influential Cabinet Secretary with another. ”
Huh, what? That old fat guy is on REAL US money…. OH SHIT! No one told me. I thought it was gag money.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: Yeeesh. It’s rained so heavily, we have water pouring into the living room — big floor to ceiling windows, leaking at their bottom and along the joint of the interior wall and the hardwood floors.
Probably a gutter and window problem. Have gone through mucho towels. Wish the rain would stop.
This is a first. Lucky to have come downstairs to watch the boom booms and lightning show outside, and then notice — there is water streaming over the wood floors in the living room.
Tomorrow will involve ladders and using fans to dry out the wood.
Thanking my stars to have been home for this storm.
Baud
@efgoldman:
When she’s not looking down on us.
rikyrah
@Luvvie
Black trauma is never given space to heal because we have to make sure the white people who hurt us don’t feel too bad about it.
@Luvvie
White people ain’t even forgave Michael Vick for killing dogs but we’re forgiving the DOG who killed 9 of our people in middle of worship.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Oh no. That’s my worst homeowner fear.
rikyrah
Luvvie posted:
About Charleston, Forgiveness and Black Pain
Awesomely Luvvie — June 20, 2015
…….
http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2015/06/charleston-forgiveness-and-black-pain.html
Belafon
@jl:
If we were to do rotating pictures, we’d have to come up with some mechanical way to figure out which bills are real. Get enough pictures, and someone will start putting their mother on them.
Omnes Omnibus
@Belafon: Abigail Adams is my mother, damn it.
ETA: Shit, I’ve doxxed myself.
Liquid
Probably old hat but any ESO/Skyrim/Morrowind fans might enjoy the very best music —
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr-buV4tYOA
jl
@Belafon: Naw. Will help the Fed reach its inflation target. And people will be more likely to pay attention to the news. It is a very worthy social experiment.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
My condolences. I’m on the second floor, so, even though I have gotten flash-flood warnings this evening, I won’t be worried until I hear the drowning screams of the people below me.
@Omnes Omnibus:
Haven’t seen any hail so far. Fingers crossed. The doughty Kia is parked uncovered on the street.
ThresherK (GPad)
@jl: Doodling his draughter?
John Revolta
I’ve already lived to see Robert Johnson on a postage stamp. Everything else is gravy as far as I’m concerned.
Anne Laurie
@NotMax: The Guy I Did Not Marry was 6′ 3″. Every time we passed a reflecting panel, he’d stop dead & say, “Gosh, I always forget you’re so short.”
And he’s not the only one, dammit.
Poopyman
@Elizabelle: @Steeplejack: I was wondering how the NoVa contingent was fairing. Looked really nasty on the radar. Seems to have slacked off considerably as it came across the river, although we’ve gotten lots of cloud-to-cloud and several -to-ground strikes around us. Wind and rain aren’t what we feared.
A couple of hours ago the cats started checking out the hiding places, and the outdoor cats came in, which is a rarity in summer. One’s still in the basement, one under my chair, and the rest hanging close to mom & dad, even though it’s mostly now past.
I hope.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Luckily, have a brother in law who is an ace general contractor. Lives about 100 miles south of here. He is not going to be happy to hear about this; shall tell him Monday and not worry him on Father’s Day.
Hoping for dryer weather tomorrow; think that is forecast.
Quieter rain out there, but some flashes of lightning. There’s a long rumble of thunder.
I think this has been going on, more gently, for a while but I did not recognize it. The wood stripping (?) near the windows has been a little darker, and I never really thought about it because never saw water there before …
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: I have taken my car to a nearby Super Target during hailstorms. One with covered parking.
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus:
See, I *knew* there was a reason I liked you!
fuckwit
@Anne Laurie: Put someone transgender on it and really blow their minds.
JPL
@Elizabelle: Wow! I hope the rain lets up soon.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Good luck.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: Checked the basement, and pretty much fine down there, although — also a first — there is a very little water pooling directly below where the living room windows are above. So will be kind of a more extensive repair, I guess, but has to be done before the next ark weather.
Rain, rain, go away.
Usually love to hear it at night …
Elizabelle
@JPL:
@Baud:
Thanks, buds.
schrodinger's cat
@Pogonip: I have a hard time finding clothes, especially pants and I am only 5ft 3inches, at the upper bound of the petite sizes and lower bound for regular sizes.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t think I’ve seen hail in my immediate vicinity here in the 10 years I’ve lived here.
(Jinx!)
Steeplejack (phone)
@Elizabelle:
I wonder if your lot is badly graded on that side, so that water runs toward the house instead of away from it.
Denali
I know Susan B. Anthony flopped as a $1 coin, but it would still be great to have her on the $10.
Kropadope
@Denali: The only way to get people to adopt the $1 coin would be to put $5 worth of metal in it.
KG
@Kropadope: preferably silver or gold.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack (phone): Good question.
House is 40+ years old; my late parents owned it that long. Never had this issue before. There is a gentle hill in the backyard and woods beyond. House has been settling.
I am guessing gutters as the culprit; brother in law was already planning to replace the roof early this fall.
The rain tonight was so intense, and so prolonged, and water was hitting the windows just so. Kept listening to it and thinking “make it stop!”
Interested to see if any of the neighbors had any trouble. These houses are very well built, but it’s probably about time for stuff like this to develop ….
schrodinger's cat
Does the person on the bill have to be a politician? Why not a writer or a scientist? I have seen Euros with Gauss on it.
Full metal Wingnut
@Kropadope: But the 10’s due for a redesign. It makes sense. It’s not a “slap in the face” to not get exactly what you ask for.
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus: Speaking of hail: was visiting Colorado in May and Colorado Springs got 4 inches of hail one find spring day. We just missed it; drove through about 90 minutes later. Looked like snow along the highways.
And actual snow for Mother’s day, five inches. And then melted and shirtsleeve weather that afternoon. I love Colorado.
My friends have been bailing out their basement in all the weeks since, though. Water water everywhere, except poor California, which really needs it.
Ferrielle
Margaret Sanger.
Elizabelle
@schrodinger’s cat: I love that Freud used to be on currency.
Elizabelle
@Full metal Wingnut: As long as we never get Ronald Reagan on any form of currency. Enough already.
And rename our damn local airport soon. Washington National > Reagan National any day.
Mandalay
The I-couldn’t-give-a-fuck opinion of a vile, smug, condescending Villager (Lisa Lerer of AP) on the Diane Rehm Show yesterday:
Our media elite at work.
NotMax
@schrodinger’s cat
A cue to link to some of the pre-Euro Dutch banknotes if ever there was one.
Aleta
$1 spacious skies
$2 amber waves of grain
$5 purple mountains
$10 fruited plain
$20 shining sea
$50 pilgrim feet
$100 footpath across wilderness
Elizabelle
@Aleta: Works for me!
NotMax
@Aleta
While we’re at it, make it a $25 bill so the denominations of bills match those of the coins. (The $2 bill is so little used that whether it stands as the exception is essentially irrelevant.)
Aleta
@NotMax:
Have a feeling that the $10 might drop out eventually. I liked the Sacagawea dollar, nice color, but heavy in the pocket I guess.
NotMax
@Aleta
ATM just down the street here gives out $1, $5, $10, $20 and $50 bills.
If so inclined, one could make a withdrawal of four dollars.
Fred
Wikipedia has a list of portraits on US currency (of course) and it is long and interesting.
Included are a woman, Martha Washington and a native american, Running Antelope. Many are less a Who’s Who and more a Who?
NobodySpecial
@Full metal Wingnut: Funny how so many of them bemoan their pony-loving compatriots when it involves actual legislation involving actual living people, and get all torqued up because some dead person somewhere didn’t get the honors they think they should.
Ted
Michael Pettis has write-up on Hamilton because of this; makes me like him (Hamilton) a fair bit more:
http://blog.mpettis.com/2015/06/please-mr-lew-do-not-diminish-alexander-hamilton/
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: That is awesome. Where do we buy them?