I’m not following pro football all that closely this year, but I think I heard something about the Jets’ starting QB being out because one of his teammates punched him in the face and broke his jaw. Maybe because of that, this rookie from Georgia (who played for Baylor), Bryce Petty, is getting some pre-season playing time. But boy did he step in some shit with the Jets fan base with this tweet:
The fact that you can order @dominos by texting a pizza emoji is awesome… #welldoneMrDominoWellDone
— Bryce Petty (@b_petty14) August 28, 2015
One does not simply order pizza from a shit outfit like Dominos in the self-proclaimed (with some justice, IMO) Pizza Capital of the Universe. After attracting a mob of crust-flinging flying monkeys on Twitter, Petty relented:
I apologize for stirring up the pizza community for my recent comment. CLEARLY I have some pizza to eat, suggestions are accepted
— Bryce Petty (@b_petty14) August 28, 2015
But then he turned around and proved he’d learned nothing from the controversy:
???? my first altercation with fans is over pizza… I guess it could be worse pic.twitter.com/oe4GDMpRAq
— Bryce Petty (@b_petty14) August 28, 2015
No, it couldn’t be worse, unless maybe Petty punched a starter in the face. Will somebody shut this guy up before he starts talking about the great cheesecake at Bob Evans? (Note to New Yorkers: Bob Evans is a chain for people who think the food at Denny’s is too spicy.)
Open thread!
rikyrah
New Poll Out:
When Iowa Republicans are asked who they would support in their local caucus, Ben Carson
(23%) and Donald Trump (23%) tie for the top spot. The next tier of candidates includes Carly Fiorina (10%) and Ted Cruz (9%), followed by Scott Walker (7%), Jeb Bush (5%), John Kasich (4%), Marco Rubio (4%), and Rand Paul (3%). The last two Iowa caucus victors, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, each garner 2% of the vote. None of the other six candidates included in the poll register more than 1% support.
http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/85775b52-ec99-4ad3-bbee-14826bdf86e5.pdf
redshirt
All athletes should delete all their social media accounts.
Brady will be freed in the next few days!
Hildebrand
The last line makes the whole post.
Amir Khalid
@rikyrah:
There seems to be no logic in this ranking. It’s as though the good people of Eye-Oh-Way picked their candidate at random. Then again, as I understand it, winning in Iowa is no guarantee that you’ll be the nominee.
Doug R
Is Percy Harvin playing for the Jets now?
redshirt
@Doug R: The Bills.
trollhattan
How old can this guy be? I thought today’s yoot were supposed to be all media-savvy and such. He Twitters worse than a middle-school girl.
trollhattan
@Doug R:
My first question on hearing of the sucker punch. Didn’t know he’d moved on before that.
Doug R
@redshirt: Maybe he was visiting.
Cacti
Harris County Texas Sheriff and District Attorney blame #BlackLivesMatter for shooting of Deputy.
Because as we all know, every black person is vicariously liable for the behavior of every other black person in this country.
Corrupt cops, OTOH, are in no way reflective of police culture as a whole.
Just ask the Fraternal Order of Police.
redshirt
@Doug R: Wasn’t Harvin on the Jets last year? Or am I misremembering?
japa21
Chicago has its own claim to being a pizza capital (I make no judgement concerning the merits of said claim) and Pizza Hut made a major advertising campaign there for its New York style pizza. I wonder if the wizard behind that still has a job.
RSA
… and has unreasonably low fat content.
Jeffro
@Hildebrand:
Agreed – too funny.
I thought Bob Evans was a chain for people who like their food mushy, period.
Mike in NC
We lived for years not very far from a Bob Evans in Springfield, VA but actually going there to eat was something that we never considered. There’s one near us now but we still won’t go near it. When in the mood for pizza, there are a hundred options other than Dominos or Papa John’s. Some places just get a lousy reputation.
Amir Khalid
I always thought the pizza capital of the world was in Italy.
Benw
When I moved to the NY area a few years ago I was told that I’d finally get some good pizza and bagels but the average quality of both is about the same as any other big city I’ve lived in. Dominoes is gross, though.
low-tech cyclist
Aren’t the Jets only nominally a NYC team? I think they play out at the Meadowlands in NJ. Is the pizza in East Rutherford any good?
Seanly
My little brother (who just moved out of Brooklyn) hated New York pizza. The truly good places have horrendous lines and everywhere else was, in his words, “Thin cardboard with rancid tomato sauce and dumpster cheese.” Dominos was the only place he’d order from. I do hope his wife, toddler & he are happier now that they’ve left Brooklyn.
raven
Betty Cracker
@redshirt: I think he was last year. He had problems in Seattle with some of the players. Not sure if he had issues in NY too that prompted the move. He’s a good player when he stays healthy, but he seems a bit delicate health-wise (or was in college, when I followed his career).
@raven: He was born in Georgia though, so y’all get the blame/credit.
rikyrah
@Cacti:
The shooter was a career criminal before Black Lives Matter ever appeared on the scene. I doubt he’d had a conversion like Malcolm Little and became ‘socially conscious.’
Want the receipts Son. Show me where he protested or came out for the community.
Show the receipts.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
As Twitter Nixon might say: Good Christ.
Amir Khalid
@Seanly:
If Domino’s was your brother’s least-bad choice for pizza, what were the alternatives?
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: We all make mistakes from time to time.
redshirt
@Betty Cracker: I read something about a new treatment he got for his migraines.
I bet he has a good year with the Bills. Buffalo is looking kinda scary.
Goblue72
The Pats are like Obama – blessed by the incompetence of their opponents.
Jets sign away one of best cornerbacks in the NFL (Revis) from the Pats in the off-season and what do they then do – have a clubhouse altercation that knocks out their starting QB.
As a Pats fan, I really just LOVE the J-E-T-S.
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
Don’t say that to a New Yorker.
raven
Typical Gator logic.
Pee Cee
Bob Evans? i thought that was a place that only people from Ohio would go into?
Hal
Elizabeth Hasselbeck wants to know why Black Lives Matter isn’t classified as a hate group.
http://jezebel.com/why-isnt-elisabeth-hasselbeck-classified-as-a-hate-grou-1727753207
Amir Khalid
@low-tech cyclist:
Does any NFL team actually have its home ground in the city? It must be cost-prohibitive to build a stadium there.
Jeffro
@rikyrah: Hmm…that is a combined 65% for the non-establishment candidates (I count Cruz in that category). That’s amazing.
One of my FB friends had reposted some dimwit’s claim that “I WILL NOT BE FORCED TO LEARN ANOTHER LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS”…’like’ if you agree. I don’t know how to talk with people that far gone.
MattF
@Amir Khalid: Many years ago I was in Rome and met an American of Italian background. He was disconsolate– he said to me “I’m Italian, and I can’t stand either the food or the people in Italy.”
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Goblue72: As a football fan with a sense of humor, I love the Jets too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve been wondering about Lugar, maybe the last rational (elected) Republican voice on foreign policy
I’ll leave the link in, even though it’s Politico
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/there-are-no-perfect-nuclear-deals-121810#ixzz3kQNrCJfT
redshirt
@Amir Khalid: Chicago’s stadium is right downtown, and awesome.
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
Yes, plenty of them do. Many American cities are sprawly because they have relatively low land prices, so building sports venues in the city is perfectly reasonable. In other cities, they were able to take otherwise unattractive industrial areas and build sports venues there. In any case, in practice the most expensive part of a big sports venue, at least in terms of real estate costs, is the parking. Putting the venue in a dense area that’s well served by public transportation might actually be cheaper than putting it somewhere that requires more parking.
Woodrowfan
Bob Evans has very good breakfast. their sausage is excellent!
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: No. There’s a jape that the only “New York” NFL team is the Buffalo Bills.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@MattF: By “Italian background,” do you mean ancestry, or did he have direct personal experience in the country?
Woodrowfan
@Amir Khalid: Cincy and Baltimore do.
MattF
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Ancestry.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Hal: Barbara Walters owes the country an apology for that one.
MattF
@Woodrowfan: And DC did, once upon a time.
Yatsuno
@Amir Khalid: Century Link Field is in the southernmost reaches of Seattle. But to be fair other than the shipyard docks where they built it there wasn’t much. Well okay Uwajimaya…
redshirt
@Amir Khalid:
I believe pizza was created in America by Italian immigrants then brought back to Italy.
And really, America has the best pizza in the world. Italy is too snobby.
Woodrowfan
even as a bornandbred midwesterner I know New York has far better pizza that Chicago.
Capri
The US can be divided in two, not into Blue States and Red States but into the places that say Pizza Hut is the best Pizza in their area and those that do not.
Woodrowfan
@MattF: true. I still like RFK. only saw baseball games there but I liked it.
jl
I thought from the title that this was about the totalitarian political crime of the new millennium, and genocidal microaggression against the White Race and, if you have ears to hear, clever plot to debase our holy currency by erasing the existence of proud gold man from national memory, that is, giving some injun name to Mt. McKinley.
But it has something to do with discouraging the consumption of low quality pizza, so probably more important, even if I don not understand it entirely.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Green Bay does.
Woodrowfan
so let’s get this straight, according to the righties tracking people like Fed Ex packages and forcibly deporting US citizen children because their parent’s are “illegals” are great ideas that will protect our liberties. But having to “Press 1 for English” is somehow tyranny??
Punchy
Oh go fuck off.
Yours,
Chicago native
Tom Q
@Jeffro: one of the things that’s amazed me in this election cycle is how the GOP has amassed such off-the-charts crazy folk that Walker is routinely referred to by the press as in the moderate/establishment group. Whereas I had come into the year thinking he was the one who might be able to carry the banner for the crazy wing and upend the establishment.
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
Ah, but I was wondering about New York City. (Should have edited my question to mention that, but I noticed the omission too late.) I know the Giants don’t play in the city either.
I hope no one groans at this next question, but if there’s an NFL team called the New York Jets why isn’t there one called the New York Sharks?
Cacti
@redshirt:
Please tell me you’re snarking.
jl
@redshirt:
” I believe pizza was created in America by Italian immigrants then brought back to Italy. ”
The tradition of smearing flat bread, or flat leavened breads, with goodies and gobbling down the wonderful results is thousands of years old, and has existed around the world.
So, something that functions like pizza has existed since baking was invented, probably.
WereBear
@Benw: What you were told was true in the 1970’s. I am happy to note that things have improved since then!
To the point where you can get mid-range quality almost anywhere. However, the finest pizza and bagels are from NY, no question.
Gin & Tonic
Amusing series of responses. Amir Khalid asks, in the context of a question about the NFL Jets, “does any NFL team actually have its home ground in the city?” People from various places interpret “the city” to mean “a city,” and provide examples of more or less urban stadiums. G&T, being an expat New Yorker, interprets “the city” correctly, as “the city,” the same way anyone within a 150-mile radius of NYC would interpret it, and says no, because there are no actual NFL venues in the city.
jl
@Tom Q: And maybe you are part of some Canuck fifth column trying to spread doubts about Scotty and his amazing, huge classy Canada Wall.
Thor Heyerdahl
This Canuck has never seen or eaten at a Bob Evans – however I have heard this definition: “It’s where fat people go to eat after church on Sunday.”
Flukebucket
I was glad to see Todd Kincannon get a small portion of what he richly deserves.
redshirt
@Cacti: I’m not. But I could be wrong, and I’ll gladly admit it if so.
Mike J
@Yatsuno: Century Link is south of downtown, but there’s still a bit of Seattle south of it.
JPL
@redshirt: What was the point of the Judge inviting Mara to the hearings today?
MattF
@Amir Khalid: You only have to ask Wikipedia.
redshirt
@jl:
Indeed. But what is pizza, specifically?
I’d argue it requires three things: A crust, a sauce, and cheese.
Given that tomato sauce is usually a basic requirement for pizza (excepting “white” pizza), then pizza never existed in Europe prior to the introduction of the tomato in circa 1600, nor did most of what is considered traditional Italian cuisine.
catclub
So those Noo Yawkers like spicy cheesecake. Huh.
boatboy_srq
PRICELESS.
RELATED: THIS arrived in my mailbox this morning. I’m still in insulin shock.
redshirt
@WereBear:
Pickles too.
RareSanity
Any “New Yorker” that was giving Petty the business without tongue planted firmly in cheek, needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities in life.
I’m as big a football fan as anyone, and I don’t give a flying fig about whatever meaningless drivel anyone associated with the sport is posting on teh internets.
As long as they’re not saying anything stupid (i.e. racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc.), why would anybody care?
redshirt
@JPL: Mara is the head of some NFL commission ostensibly in charge of conduct and punishments. It’s all a farce though.
Peale
@Amir Khalid: Yep. Iowa is the most overrated political event, but we like to pretend that it must mean something and that it has always been that way, even though most of the “traditions” that appear to be portents of the election to come are made up on the fly. (You gotta go to this pancake lunch and order blueberry! Throw salt over your shoulder and purposefully open your umbrella inside the tent! That’s what Dole did in 1972!) The republican winner of Iowa more often than not does not become the nominee. That said, no one who avoids Iowans on purpose to focus on a later primary ever wins either. I think you have to just prove that you aren’t hated by Iowans even if they won’t caucus for you.
jeffreyw
Mmm… thread needs moar pizza!
MattF
@catclub: In fact, New York cheesecake is a cultural artifact representing the particular ethnicity that regards cream cheese as a food group.
Cacti
@redshirt:
The oldest documentation of a food called “pizza” is from 997 CE in Gaeta, Italy. Tomato as a topping started in Naples in the late 1700s. Tomato and Mozzarella also originated in Naples in the late 1800s.
The Italian cultural history of eating oven baked flat bread with toppings dates back to at least the ancient Romans.
JPL
Since Petty went to school in Texas, he probably went to Luby’s instead of Bob Evan’s.
Betty Cracker
@Punchy: Fuck you as well! But for the record, I like Chicago pizza just fine too. In fact, I consider pizza its own food group and art form and thus find quibbling about crust depth and the order of topping placements silly. Done right, virtually any pizza is a worthy expression of a broad medium, the operative words being “done right.”
Amir Khalid
@Gin & Tonic:
I hear that the Cigarette Smoking Man went out of his way to keep the Bills from winning the Super Bowl.
catclub
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Wow. That strikes me as a big deal that those two would get together to say this.
redshirt
@Peale: While all true, Obama’s Iowa win in 2008 was a BFD and without it, I don’t think he wins.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The Wiki article lists Chicago, New York and Greek style pizzas as popular varieties in the US. I’ve never heard of Greek pizza.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
Harvin was so toxic in the Seattle locker room they shipped him off for basically a box of Twinkies and a pair of Keds. Took a huge financial hit but sometimes you gotta do what you’ve gotta do. Jets are too far out my my wheelhouse to have any idea how he fared in NY–the first or second stop. Jets had a motive to trade him, as Seattle got more from the trade had he stayed for a second season.
redshirt
@Betty Cracker:
Deep Dish is a controversial subject, though. I mean, a box of crust with the sauce on the outside and all the stuff inside? Kinda weird.
I think it’s pizza. And I think it’s delicious. In it’s time and place. Not everytime. As a pizza choice, deep dish is exotic and I would stick with a House of Pizza style 9 times out of 10.
redshirt
@trollhattan: He was injured for much of his Jets career, and…. Geno.
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: If the republicans and turncoat democrats aren’t listening to Brent Scrowcroft, they aren’t going to listen to these losers. The Iranians are apparently laughing at us, or so I’ve been told.
Jeffro
@Tom Q: I think it’s at least partially because Herman Cain and Michelle Bachman ran last time…you’ve really got to work at it to be nuttier than Herman Cain and Michelle Bachman.
Christie: treat ’em like UPS packages!
Bush: “I’m fine with ‘anchor babies’…you know that’s mostly a problem with Asians, though…”
Trump: “arrrrrrggggghhhhh!”
Cruz: “What Trump said, only with a veneer of electability”
Jindal: “Make them learn English and adopt our values”
Walker: “I’m open to building a wall along the Canadian border”
Let the eventual nominee try and sort that out, build some sort of cohesive campaign…
@Woodrowfan:
If you’re referring to what I mentioned about my friend’s friend on FB, I guess the answer is “yes”. What floored me was how it’s not even an unwillingness to tolerate multiple-language phone menus…it’s that it has somehow morphed into “THESE PEOPLE expect me to learn THEIR LANGUAGE in order to accommodate THEM”. Um, no they don’t. They’d probably be quite grateful if you never learn anything other than English…it makes it easier for them to talk right in front of you about how stupid you are.
Mike J
@jeffreyw:
OK.
trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
If by “the city” you mean within the confines of NYC then no, and there will never be given the costs you mention. A lot of NFL cities probably share the same fate. Part of the problem are the grandiose white elephantine palaces owners are now demanding. They take up a youuuge footprint even before parking is factored in.
boatboy_srq
@Betty Cracker: Say that when you have Tandoori Chicken pizza.
Benw
@WereBear: I’ve had pizza and bagels ranging from inedible to fantastic everywhere I’ve lived (always near a big U.S. city). I haven’t found either in NY that was obviously better than the other cities’ best, though. Suggestions are always welcome!
japa21
@Amir Khalid: There would be, but the local lawyer association copyrighted the name.
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
Didn’t Jon Stewart once mock the concept of deep-dish pizza by calling it a casserole?
tom
Sounds smart to me, he’ll be doing a well paid Domino’s ad campaign within a few months.
boatboy_srq
@Jeffro:
Well, that works both ways. Mum went with my sister once to one of THE Italian restaurants in town. As they were ordering, she overheard the house manager tell their waiter (in Italian) to give them small meals since they were women and wouldn’t eat much. Mum spoke four languages, including Italian, and caught the entire exchange. When they were leaving, she told the house manager in Italian what a lovely meal they’d had, and how they had been so very hungry when they came in. I gather the color he turned was memorable.
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: Was he wrong?
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@MattF: Not sure what he was expecting, then — regardless of ancestry, he did grow up in a completely different country. Which you and I both know, so why did I bother mentioning… eh. Never mind.
But it does remind me of the people I knew growing up in — well, technically, one block outside the border of –Bensonhurst who bragged about being “Italian” but never ventured outside the neighborhood. (Definitely not saying the guy you met was an idiot. Only saying the guys I knew were.)
catclub
@Amir Khalid: Understatement of the year candidate.
Major Major Major Major
I love these underwear ads. Just might buy a pair.
Peale
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. There’s John’s and Lombardi’s and Grimaldi’s and New York Pizza Suprema (for those of you who want to eat pizza by the slice…which is how actual people buy it). But once you get away from the same old list of 10-12 top places, it really is kind of bland. Outside the city, though, there is Kinchley’s in New Jersey, which is actually where the Jets play and where I believe there fanbase is. (I never really met many actual Jets fans when I lived in the city. I assumed that they lived in New Jersey and Long Island.)
satby
@Woodrowfan: nope. Just nope. Seriously, pizza that folds? Gedouttahere.
The Thin Black Duke
@Hal: Uh, maybe because BLM HASN’T FUCKING KILLED ANYBODY, LIZ
?!? (I’m sorry, I’m cranky today)
Gin & Tonic
@efgoldman: Sure, but both the Polo Grounds and the Yankee Stadium that the Giants played in have been torn down, and the Jets haven’t played in Queens since, what, 1983?
Cacti
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
In Ireland and the UK, they have the pejorative “Plastic Paddy” for diaspora descendants who talk up Irish cultural identity, but have never actually set foot on the Auld Sod.
Is there a similar descriptive among native Italians for Italian Americans?
PurpleGirl
@Jeffro: When ‘friends’ send me stuff like that, I ignore it. Note: I have a FB page only because I need it to comment at the kitten cams I watch.
Peale
@Amir Khalid: Remembering when Trump met Palin for pizza and Jon Stewart had a cow that they ate at Pizza Villa in Times Square because it had a big window where they could be seen.
Richard mayhew
@Amir Khalid: Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, San Diego off the top of my head all have stadiums in namesake city
satby
@redshirt: Chicago style is stuffed, not deep dish (in Chicago we call deep dish Sicilian).
PurpleGirl
@Roger Moore:
Putting the venue in a dense area that’s well served by public transportation might actually be cheaper than putting it somewhere that requires more parking.
Surprisingly when a football stadium was being pushed for the West Side of Manhattan, although the then Mayor (Bloomberg) said people could go to restaurants for pre-game parties, people really said “no, they wanted a parking field for their parties.” Also, see where the new Yankee Stadium has access to mass transit but people from outside the City still want to drive to the stadium. People are addicted to using cars.
satby
@Amir Khalid: he mocked Chicago style pizza and then got a visit from Lou Malnoti, who owns a popular chain here. But again, stuffed (two crusts, with cheese and sauce in between and more on the top crust.
Cacti
@Richard mayhew:
San Diego is probably the closest you can get to having the stadium in the city, without actually being “in the city”.
Mission Valley is right on the eastern edge of the SD city limits and about 8-miles from downtown.
boatboy_srq
@Hal: Apparently Blah people aren’t supposed to hate being killed for no defensible reason by white people sworn to uphold the law.
/snark
Roger Moore
@Woodrowfan:
A quick check of Wikipedia shows that there are 19 NFL teams with within the city limits of the nominal home city: Atlanta, Baltimore, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, Green Bay, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, New Orleans, Oakland, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Seattle, and St. Louis. There are 7 teams that aren’t located in their nominal home city: Buffalo (Orchard Park), Dallas (Arlington), Miami (Miami Gardens), New York (2 teams, East Rutherford), San Francisco (Santa Clara), and Washington (Landover), and 6 teams (Arizona, Carolina, Minnesota, New England, Tampa Bay, and Tennessee) that aren’t named after cities. So that gives you:
19/32 teams play in stadiums in their nominal home city
19/26 teams with a city in their team name play in a stadium in that city
24/32 teams play in stadium in the geographical entity indicated by their team name
The obvious oddball is Tampa Bay, which is named after a body of water rather than a place on land.
Betty Cracker
@boatboy_srq: That doesn’t sound automatically appalling to me, though in execution I suspect it would be. These, on the other hand. Dear God in heaven, cocktail weenies in the crust with mayonnaise injected? My gorge rises just contemplating such an abomination.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@tom: Heh. If he’s got a good agent. Maybe it was a set up.
@Cacti: perfectly describes some of my cousins (our grandparents were immigrants): Irish flags flying on their houses, tattoos, email addresses, vanity plates, etc all insisting on their “Irish” identity. At least one is the type who would brag about never having had a passport (hyooge Tea Bagger, and probably a Trumpster now), and on vacation it’s all about chasing the Sun– Ireland’s too cold and damp (which may be the most Irish thing about them)
Betty Cracker
@Roger Moore: They play like they’re underwater. It fits.
boatboy_srq
@Jeffro: How about learning another language to broaden their minds? Oh, right, Conservatistism and its love affair with the one language on Earth so diversely sourced you couldn’t a get much more varied tongue if you put every dictionary for every language in a blender and hit “frappe”.
ETA so third person targeting was more clear.
Roger Moore
@Woodrowfan:
Yep. That’s because tracking people like Fed Ex and deporting citizens of non-citizen parents apply to Those People, but pressing 1 for English happens to them. This is how wingnuts see the world.
boatboy_srq
@Betty Cracker: IIRC it was actually pretty good. It’s the concept that threw me. Maybe it was just the naan breadsticks…
Hal
@redshirt: I don’t get the hate for deep dish. I love pizza and I love lasagna. Deep dish is just a combo of both.
I loved going to Zachary’s in Berkeley when I lived in SF, but every other friend of mine loathed that place. When I got a strong craving I would drive across the bridge, try and find parking, and pick up a deep dish to go. It lasted for days. Though I do love traditional pizza more.
PaulW
You wanna know something, Jets fans?
You’re pissed over f-cking pizza.
PIZZA IS PIZZA. If it’s bread with tomato sauce and meats and onions and peppers and five f-cking layers of cheese IT IS GOOD AND GOD MADE IT THAT WAY.
Sheesh.
Origuy
@Roger Moore: I don’t remember the last time I had to “Press 1 for English”. Usually, it’s “Para Español, oprima dos.”
ThresherK
Not totally OT: Earlier this year I was visiting friends and was caught in the middle of not really being hungry, but not wanting to wait three hours to eat. I was offered a slice of Papa Gino’s, and it didn’t stink. Especially the crust.
I grew up sooo suburban New England that I thought decently-made local pizza, often New York style or New Haven style, was made in at least one place in every village in America. So I haven’t tried Papa Gino’s in at least 15 years.
Have they done something on purpose to make their crust better lately, or was this just random?
Roger Moore
@Amir Khalid:
Everyone knows the Sharks play in San Jose.
Robert Sneddon
@Cacti: Worse still, the Auld Sod types do set foot over here. Edinburgh is currently hoaching with Americans wearing kilts thanks to the bloodyFestivalbloodybloody. The Castle is exploding as I type this, the last big firework display of the Tattoo season (until Hogmanay when they’ll blow it up again) but the streets will remain filled for at least another week with self-deluding three-generations-in-the-US Americans (“He wants you to call him Scaddy”) buying cheap Chinese tartan tat on sale in the Indian-owned teuchter stores along the Royal Mile and Princes Street. And lang may their lum reek.
Tracy Ratcliff
As an Ohioan who happens to live less than an hour from the original Bob Evan’s farm, and lives in the town where the first Bob Evans chain restaurant was built, I am mildly offended. Only mildly, since the food quality has gone down the past decade or so. But if your grandma has passes, it’s the closest to finding that southern Ohio comfort food again.
Keith G
@Richard mayhew: Houston, as well….and Cincy
Roger Moore
@boatboy_srq:
I find that a good way of thinking about oddball pizzas is to view pizza as a special category of hot open faced sandwich. It’s just unusual in that the bread is cooked at the same time as the rest of the sandwich. It really broadens your ideas about what is possible.
Gin & Tonic
@Roger Moore: The intersection of “what is possible” and “what should be done” is far smaller than you think.
redshirt
I had a pizza with sliced apples once. It was good, but I wasn’t crazy about it.
Jake the antisoshul soshulist
Bob Evans, worst place I ever ate.
It could be worse, he could have said CiCi’s Pizza. That makes Dominos seem like authentic
Neopolitan Pizza.
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
If I want to make a Reuben pizza, who are you to judge?
SFAW
Be better if the Jets fans got upset over the ownership clusterfuck normally referred to as “Woody Johnson.”
Tough to know whether Woody or the Wilpons is/are the bigger problem. The Mets’ (relative) success this year maybe moves the needle in Woody’s direction, but the season’s young.
PurpleGirl
Re: Taking over another ethnicity: My parents are Sicilian (maternal) and Austrian (paternal). Not a drop of Irish blood among the four of them. At some point, my sister, who married a man with Irish, German and English roots, began to do this Irish thing. More Irish than if she’d been born there. Well, one year for Thanksgiving dinner I brought some music CDs with me. Irish music on original instruments from like the 1700s or so. I really wasn’t in the mood that day to hear the Irish Tenors signing Tin Pan Ally American songs. (I often compare my sister to Hyacinth Bucket on Keeping Up Appearances.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: Is the crust going to be rye?
SFAW
@Robert Sneddon:
“Hoaching”?
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus:
Of course. A rye crust, sauerkraut, corned beef (or pastrami if you accept pastrami reubens), and swiss. I think the Russian dressing probably needs to be added after cooking.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Roger Moore: dammit. I wanted pizza, now I want a reuben
Gimlet
‘Cause Dick is full of good advice for Democrats. He also appears to have forgotten about his RNC server and email system.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said he hopes Vice President Joe Biden jumps into the 2016 presidential race.
“I’d love to see Joe get in the race,” Cheney said Monday morning during a joint interview with his daughter Liz on CNN.
“Go for it Joe,” Cheney added when asked why he thought Biden should run. “He’s tried twice before, he obviously is interested. I think there’s a lot of support for him in the Democratic party. I think it would stir things up. They’re short candidates on their side.”
Cheney also slammed Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton for using a private email server during her time as U.S. secretary of state.
“I think she should’ve known better,” Cheney said.
SFAW
@SFAW:
Never mind, got a tad un-lazy, used Teh Google.
SFAW
@Gimlet:
Worse for the Rethugs, if the definition of “candidate” includes “someone having a functioning brain.”
Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: I almost never say this about anyone, no matter how awful. But I wish that fucker would take a dirt nap already.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty Cracker: yeah, and her father too.
ETA: actually, I’ll content myself with the obscurity I’m confident will be her fate once she can no longer be the old chtulu’s sidekick. I don’t have much faith in any voters, especially in a deep red state like Wyoming, but I have a hunch Liz has peaked
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
Not disagreeing by any stretch, but what makes you think the Earth won’t spit him back?
I don’t believe in Hell, but Cheney makes me wish I did.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
How many fresh hearts between now and then? Maybe he and Rick Scott can take each other out fighting over which gets to be Voldemort.
redshirt
Dick will be the first head in a jar that maintains sentience, and is then transferred into a terrifying KILLBOT body.
Robert Sneddon
@SFAW: Hoaching means flea-ridden or covered in lice, also refers to crowds generally. The bloodyFestivalbloodybloody is nearly over for another year but It will soon be time for the students to arrive for the start of the academic year at the various Universities in and around Auld Reekie, something else that scunners the locals as the newly-liberated 18-year-olds discover the abundant drinking establishments of Scotland’s capital and the conveniently located gutters outside to throw up in.
Edinburgh would grind to a halt though if the tourist cash (and the student fees) weren’t constantly topping up the city treasury so generally we haud oor wheesht, as they say.
Gimlet
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Activists with the Black Lives Matter movement rejected the Democratic Party’s recent statement of support, making clear that they are not affiliated with any political party.
“A resolution signaling the Democratic National Committee’s endorsement that Black lives matter, in no way implies an endorsement of the DNC by the Black Lives Matter Network, nor was it done in consultation with us,” the Black Lives Matter Network wrote in a statement Sunday.
“We do not now, nor have we ever, endorsed or affiliated with the Democratic Party, or with any party. The Democratic Party, like the Republican and all political parties, have historically attempted to control or contain Black people’s efforts to liberate ourselves,” the statement continues. “True change requires real struggle, and that struggle will be in the streets and led by the people, not by a political party.”
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: I have a Lutheran Church cookbook; I can fight back.
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
I would be willing to accept hiding his face in well deserved shame, never again to be seen by decent people.
Keith P.
I’m grateful to not have Jon Stewart around any more to devote an entire segment to insulting non-NY pizza ad nauseum.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: That’s right. IIRC you made the Lutefisk Assumption.
Felonius Monk
I guess you’ve never dined at a Cracker Barrel.
Cacti
@Robert Sneddon:
Speaking of Plastic Paddy-ing, I recently signed up for a deluxe membership on Ancestry.com, and discovered that I have lots of Scots ancestry of which I was previously unaware (Campbell of Loudoun, Crawford, and Bruce primarily). I was wanting to get a tartan of each family, with a different one for me, my oldest son, and my youngest son.
Could I importune you for a suggestion on a UK-based outfit who makes them? Because, as you suggested, I don’t want something made by Pacific rim sweatshop labor, and am willing to pay a premium for that reason.
Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: On the one hand, I understand the importance of making sure a movement’s message doesn’t get co-opted. On the other hand, “both sides do it” is bullshit. Badly handled, IMO.
rikyrah
@Amir Khalid:
Yep.
Chicago does.
In fact, all of our teams are at stadiums in the city.
rikyrah
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Lugar is one of the last adults – foreign policy wise – in the GOP.
Jeffro
@PurpleGirl: Oh I ignore it too – no point in trying to reason with Zombie Goopers
Jeffro
@boatboy_srq: Don’t forget, Jesus spoke American English, idioms and all. They certainly seem to think so.
/snark
rikyrah
@redshirt:
ICAM.
Without Iowa, no Barack Obama.
Ruckus
Bob Evans food. Not as spicy as Dennys.
Means almost totally without flavor, and not nearly as hard to chew. Even my friends in OH who liked Skyline and White Castle didn’t like Bob Evans.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Skyline needed lots of onions ahd hot sauce to be palatable. White Castle needed booze.
B
@Roger Moore: “Yes, plenty of them do. Many American cities are sprawly because they have relatively low land prices, so building sports venues in the city is perfectly reasonable.”
Even moreso if the government seizes the land at a token cost, and ‘rents’ it to the team for nothing.
Robert Sneddon
@Cacti: Weirdly enough most of the mills in Scotland that produce broadloom tartan cloth are in the Borders. Although they were cleared for sheep after the last Catholic uprising in ’45 the Highlands proved a little too harsh climate-wise and today they mostly rely on deer stalking, hill walking and mountaineering and bed&breakfast signs with an occasional outbreak of wind farms and, of course, Donald Trump’s Great Scottish Experience golf course (wind farms not included).
I’ll see what I can do for you. There are a couple of higher-end tartan stores in Princes Street which specialise in Scottish-produced goods, like “Romanes and Patterson” if you want to Google. Let me know what you’re interested in and I can get you some idea of prices and such.
B
@<a href="#comment-"even as a bornandbred midwesterner I know New York has far better pizza that Chicago."
Oh, h*ll the f*ck no. Deep dish is the way to go.
Roger Moore
@Jeffro:
I’m pretty sure he spoke Tudor English. At least that’s what he’s always speaking in the KJV.
B
@MattF: “In fact, New York cheesecake is a cultural artifact representing the particular ethnicity that regards cream cheese as a food group.”
If you want the best cheesecake in the world, you’ll have to make it yourself:
Make the crust from pecans, brown sugar and butter (put the first two in the food processor). Melt the butter, mix it in and spread.
The filling is made, of course, with marscapone cheese. It’s a bit sweeter.
Betty Cracker
@rikyrah: Honestly, Obama’s breakout performance in Iowa is the only thing that makes me in the least bit hesitant in saying it’s insane for the US to give Iowa such pride of place in the nominating process.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: Tudor? Not Stuart?
Uncle Cosmo
@Cacti: FTR there is no chance that tomato topping for pizza–or for that matter, tomato sauce for pasta–could have existed in Italy before 1493 CE, since the plant is native to western South America & Central America. From the Wiki article:
Jparente
@low-tech cyclist: Any Pizza joint is miles above the typical soggy cardboard. I used to do many events and there is some great Pizza in East Rutheford. Buying the best inNY-NJ also means you are supporting local small businesses, at the very basic level. Good food and it benefits your neighbors.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I learned my multiples of 12 with white castle hamburgers.
(obviously using the term hamburger very loosely.)
I think the key to liking white castle hamburgers is having them before you are old enough to realize that gray stuff can’t possibly be meat.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Have you ever been to a George Webb’s?
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus:
Tudor. The KJV was translated during the (early) Stuart period, but it deliberately followed the language of earlier Tudor translations, and the wording was slightly old-fashioned even when it first came out.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: Interesting. Thanks.
Kent
Well Good Grief,
Bryce Petty must have been living in a bubble in Waco as well. As a current Waco resident I can confirm that there are at least a dozen pizza places within a short radius of Baylor that are better than Dominoes. Not that Waco has good pizza, it doesn’t for the most part. People come here for BBQ or TexMex not pizza. But seriously. Someone needs to take is phone away before he hurts himself.
Jparente
@low-tech cyclist: @Amir Khalid: Wall Street owns the name.
Although as a life long saltwater fisherman, I feel that sharks are truly amazing animals that are vital to the Earth. Unlike stockbrokers, bankers, insurance executives and adjusters, hedge fund scum, realestate scions etc. The world would be a much better place without MBAs.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kent: I like tom’s theory about an endorsement. I once read that Kim Kardashian gets some obscene amount of money (at least a million) for tweeting the words “Diet Coke” x-number of times per month
SFAW
@B:
Yeah, deep-dish apple pie is not too bad.
Pizza — not so much. Then again, using the word “pizza” with that deep-dish quasi pot pie they seem to like in Chicago is about as appropriate as calling Cheez-Wiz “cheese.”
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Nope, never heard of it. I googled – Wisconsin fresh!!! – looks like there might be real food in there! Is it good?
J R in WV
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Greek pizza has feta cheese, with more Greek-style herbs that Italian, olives, garlic,maybe some tomato sauce, not necessarily, though.
It’s good if it’s done right.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: There was one in my college town. It was open all night. I thought it was halfway decent. Then I ate there during the day…. Never again.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, it’s been decades since I have eaten at white castle. At some point I returned from college and went to white castle with friends. I LOVED white castle when I was growing up, but seeing it in the light of day as an adult… never again.
J R in WV
@Amir Khalid:
And no one I’ve seen has mentioned the field of legend, the frozen tundra of Green Bay, Lambeau Field!! The most historic and famed gridiron in the history of football!!
Green Bay is really a small town, and I’m sure the stadium is right in town. No reason for it not to be. And it’s old enough and famous enough for the town to have moved out around it, even if it was once, a long long time ago, on the edge of town.
I am a Green Bay fan mostly, as they are the only team not owned by a disgusting fat cat swollen on the wealth they have stolen from hard working people. They are owned by a stock-based cooperative owned by the citizens of Green Bay
catclub
@Roger Moore: Open face Reuben at The Nines in Ithaca. I enjoyed it.
Omnes Omnibus
@J R in WV: Dude.
redshirt
@J R in WV: The Greeks are behind the House of Pizza franchise that dominates New England – and maybe elsewhere? Every town of note has a House of Pizza, and the pizza is always the same: Excellent. Like, the best crust.
Gin & Tonic
@WaterGirl: I think the key to liking white castle hamburgers is being shitfaced.
Gin & Tonic
@B: If you’re going to be pedantic about cheesecake, at least take the trouble to spell “mascarpone” correctly.
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: I don’t think even that would be enough at this point. :-)
redshirt
Foxboro is pretty lame as it’s just some small ass town in the middle of nowhere but OH YEAH! NFL team.
It’s one road in, one road out. Do your time on the line.
Doug R
@Amir Khalid: Qwest field where the Seahawks is right next to Safeco Field, the home of SODO mojo (South Downtown Mojo).
SFAW
@redshirt:
On the other hand, the current stadium beats the crap out of Schaefer.
ETA: But, yeah, getting there sucks. Glad I’m not a Pats fan.
redshirt
@SFAW: Being a Pats fan has been the best thing ever for like 15 years now. It’s incredible.
SFAW
@redshirt:
Yeah, I know. I read what I wrote and said “WTF?”
I remember being pissed when Belichick left the Jets, because I knew what was coming. Unfortunately, I was right. (In case it wasn’t obvious, I’m a Jets fan.)
Jeffro
@Roger Moore: yeah, but that’s just what’s in the Bible…not how he spoke…y’all…
redshirt
@SFAW: I shudder to consider the idea that a day is coming, in the definite future, where the Patriots won’t own the AFC and the AFC East. Where they might actually stink and those are dark days to come, my friends.
Goblue72
@Amir Khalid: Seattle Seahawks play in a stDium near downtown Seattle and accessible by light rail.
Caphilldcne
@Tracy Ratcliff: my 77 yo Dad and I had a lovely time too. He seemed to enjoy the idea of being from Scotland.
Robert Waldmann
Today I ate at a Denny’s for the first time in my life. I enjoyed the food. Of course all I at was the Chocolate crush cake (it really was good — chocolate needs no (other) spices)
AnonPhenom
@SFAW:
Geez, if they just called it what it actually is (an open faced stromboli) instead of mislabeling it ‘Pizza’ they’d be way ahead of the game. Just another example Of why they’ll always be the SECOND city…
SFAW
@AnonPhenom:
Your words of wisdom will, unfortunately, fall on the deaf ears of those
WindbagWindy City denizens and their apologists.