Poll: Hillary Clinton's "millennial problem" disappears against Donald Trump – Vox https://t.co/PWVjjzToFT
— Will Rabbe (@WillRabbe) April 26, 2016
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Clinton's full answer to @maddow on the question of her and Sanders' role uniting Democrats: pic.twitter.com/uZ2s3lh39a
— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) April 26, 2016
I was in the war room in the basement of the Pepsi Center in Denver in 08 when HRC walked through on her way to the stage for her speech…
— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) April 26, 2016
Team Obama gave her a huge ovation, respect for an incredibly tough foe who then put party and country first & gave an incredible speech…
— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) April 26, 2016
Now, a lot of us who were in that Obama war room in Denver are working our hearts out for her. She earned it that night and every day since.
— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) April 26, 2016
So that’s the job for the next six months. But in the short term… what’s on the agenda for the day?
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
Patricia Kayden
Congrats to Secretary Clinton for winning 4 out of 5 primaries last night, including my state of Maryland. Congrats to Senator Sanders for winning 1 primary. Clinton now has 90% of the delegates she needs to wrap this whole thing up.
Patricia Kayden
@rikyrah: Good Morning. Always look forward to your “Good mornings”.
Baud
Working on getting my supporters into a general election mindset. The math just isn’t there.
It looks like Trump is going to win outright. I predict someone we respect is going to let us down by supporting Trump over Hillary. For reasons.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@rikyrah: morning ??
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good Morning
Good Morning
We’ve talked the whole night through
Good Morning
Good Morning to you
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
PROGRAMING NOTE:
This Saturday at 10 PM Eastern, President Obama and Larry Wilmore host Def Comedy Jam at The WH Correspondence Dinner.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Trump: Whaaaaaaa! – Hillary is playing the women’s card!
Hillary: Deal Me In! (photo)
OzarkHillbilly
Unsure what’s on my agenda today. Trying to rain right now. (not trying anymore- raining) t-boomers in the queue for the afternoon. Was gonna go work on my buddy’s barn today, maybe I’ll just stay home and cut wood (2 more dead trees to take down) I’ll be tick infested when I am done but that’s what happens when you lose a wheel for the winter.
PsiFighter37
Still disappointed that McGinty won in PA. If Toomey wins – especially with Trump at the top of the ticket – that is unforgivable. I know Sestak pissed off everyone when he ran (and then beat) Specter, but seriously – I’m pretty confident that he would have beaten Toomey easily this time around.
This is just like what happened when Kathleen Kane beat Patrick Murphy…Kane did end up winning, and then she subsequently self-immolated while in office (to the point where she did not run for re-election this year) – and Murphy (who is the real deal) basically had his political career short-circuited. He’s currently Deputy Secretary of the Army (acting head while the full-time nominee awaits a vote), but that’s a bit of a far cry from being state AG, IMO.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
You wouldn’t know it from watching Hillary-Hating-MSNBC, but people like her:
(Photo #1)
(Photo #2)
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: That one dude in the second picture seems to like her a bit too much.
OzarkHillbilly
Tell me how that Free Market thingy works again?
Mitsubishi admits it cheated on fuel mileage tests for 25 years
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Sad, I guess I’ll have to vote for the HilBeast here in CA.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
If it weren’t for the regulations they violated, they wouldn’t be violaters. Once again, it’s government that’s the problem.
Checkmate, liberals.
BillinGlendaleCA
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I’ll have to DVR it, joining the wife for bibimbop.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Should I stay in until California to help drive turnout for down ballot races?
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
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David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
now that the primaries are over we can start focusing on something really important, namely tomorrow’s NFL draft
BillinGlendaleCA
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Obviously photoshopped!
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David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: the invisible hand can not fail, it can only be failed.
satby
Good morning rikyrah and everyone.
Today I’m trying to get motivated to accomplish more than the rush order I have. The last few days and weeks I just can’t seem to do more than the bare minimum day to day stuff. Stress overload I guess. But the bank account is in the negative digits while I wait for a paycheck so I need to get it together.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Looks to me like he’s getting a wedgy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: https://thefoodconnoisseur.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/photo-24.jpg
kd bart
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: PRIORITIES!!!!!!!
Randy P
@Baud: A dance? An ethnic food? A board game? A move from the Kama Sutra?
ETA: I see your (our) puzzlement has already been answered. I guess it’s the name for the entire dish, though it could be one of the specific items in that pot that I’m not quite sure what it is.
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: yeah, something is up with that dude. Surprised the SS detail let him get that close, honestly.
BillinGlendaleCA
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: There was actually news about the draft here on local TV. Now that we have a team(same as the old team).
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: Thanks!
BillinGlendaleCA
@Randy P: Korean food, Ms. BillinGlendaleCA is Korean.
Steeplejack
Redacted.
billcoop4
1. Congrats to HRC, our nominee presumptive.
2. Congrats to Bernie Sanders, who has gone much farther than I thought he would when he started (and when I started supporting him).
3. I’m hoping that Bernie does keep going just to be a presence at the convention.
4. I will welcome all Bernie supporters who come on board. This year’s elections are shaping up to be a watershed election.
5. Depending on the state, I’ll understand if some folks can’t vote for HRC. Don’t case a vote for POTUS, and vote for Dems down the ballot–federal and state–even if that’s just to hold the line against more GOP insanity (my former party does not resemble the one I grew up in).
6. Everyone participate in GOTV efforts. I enjoy driving older folks to the polls. I hate phonebanking (I hate the phone). But I’ll drive on election day, and will head to a swing state if necessary (KY is right now probably hopeless).
7. Last classes today–let’s see how many show :)
WMC
bystander
@BillinGlendaleCA
TMI.
I was thinking about the enthusiasm factor. I know my reaction lately is, do I have to relive the Clenis, Whitewater, cigars and blue dresses, Benghazi and Hitlery’s role model, Lady Macbeth, again? But that’s what the rwns want, to wear us all down with their b/s. I need to keep that fact in mind over the next seven months.
OzarkHillbilly
This made me smile: Girl, 12, runs half-marathon by mistake
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: You can have them and the Kroenke they rode out of town with.
bystander
@billcoop4:
I’m sure I speak for all of us when I say the last thing I want is to disappoint you.
PaulWartenberg2016
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Sweet.
BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: I personally don’t give a damn, I’m a college fan, but many in town are happy to have them back.
amk
that generic republican the bw media is always peddling? is he dead yet?
yes, it will always be a he.
satby
@billcoop4: if people don’t want a Republican win, they have to cast a vote for the Democratic nominee. That’s the only real alternative, not skipping the top of the ticket, not voting Green party or whatever third party crops up. Tbogg stated it pretty well here.
Baud
Two New Yorkers on the top of the tickets.
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: They won’t be for long. It’s a package deal and Kroenke is part of it. The man knows nothing of how to run a sports franchise. Every single team he owns is stuck in mediocrity.
LAO
@OzarkHillbilly: Saw that yesterday (different story). I especially liked that when a cop found her mid race, she told him she had to finish the race.
LAO
I went to bed fairly early last night, so I’m sure this was covered last night but is anyone else surprised by Trump’s margin of victory. He’s going to take almost all the delegates.
dedc79
dog really likes soccer
Applejinx
@bystander: Maybe. The thing is, I have just a smidge of guarded enthusiasm for some very calculated and cynical reasons. Hear me out (since it’s arguments in favor of voting for Hils)
I was expecting attempts to assert progressive bona fides, and so far that’s been pretty satisfactory. What I didn’t expect was for anybody to ever take the angle that Hillary has spent the primary dragging SANDERS left. Frankly, it seems insane, but the implications are huge (and, I think, positive).
We might see Hillary graciously supporting Bernie’s platform and goals in public, which was always predictable when you look at the voter numbers. But people (especially Berniebros) keep assuming that it’s fake and covers up a determination to tack sharply right and ditch that movement.
I think what I’m seeing is consistent with Hillary preparing to tack left and take all credit for that movement. The idea is to run with all that stuff, demolish Trump, and basically discredit Bernie as not liberal ENOUGH and a big fake: possibly even a copycat trying to ride her progressive coattails. In public Hillary will be gracious, but behind the scenes, the army of Hilbots has new orders: rather than discredit the progressive platform, do whatever’s necessary to put forth the narrative that she made it herself, since it’s unavoidably real. Co-opt it not to defuse it: Clinton doesn’t care about what the platform is, and indeed lots of it fits well with what she already likes. Co-opt it to expand it and take all the credit.
I am just cynical enough to be pleased by this. It’s like trying to sell stuff to a CEO: the most effective way to get them on board is make them think it’s their idea. The most effective way to have Clinton on board with the Sanders agenda is to let her put her name on it and pretend it was hers all along.
That’s a very human weakness, I think. People so desperately try to raise up leaders as gods, and yet it’s always just human animals derping around being so very human. Trump ain’t the only one who wants to stamp America with his name and see it blossom. The main difference is, his policy is gibberish and nonsense and evil besides. Hillary is lining up behind a popular platform that’s popular for a reason: given enough wonkery in the implementation, there’s a lot of room for success (because we’re in the middle of an unusually awful systemic failure).
If Bernie’s ‘massive recovery to previous trend line of GDP’ through redistribution and socialism ends up happening after all, but with a big ol’ ‘CLINTON’ stamp all over it, who’s really going to be all that hurt in the feefees? Big ideas are fine and they’re a good planning target, but it really comes down to who can implement them.
Since I have literally no choice in the matter and also figure Clintons aren’t tied to past policy positions, I am very much prepared to see if Hillary can make the ‘progressive’ platform work. I and other Berniacs remain convinced that there’s a lot of potential there: it WANTS to work, right now the rigged and perverse system is SO screwed up that it’s amazing anything works at all! These changes will be a huge benefit to the country and a huge macroeconomic advantage against other countries that are still trying to be austerity hawks. We gotta strike while the iron is hot. You expand in times like these, and you deal with deficits during the boom times (something Bill Clinton actually did even though I’m not thrilled with how he got those ‘boom times’)
Hillary will lead the way, having made damn sure she was in front of the line no matter where it was heading. I think it’s heading in good directions. If she can further these goals, as far as I’m concerned she can be the new FDR and get the glory and lasting credit for it.
I really think mostly we’re all scared she’ll fuck it up, but she doesn’t WANT to fuck it up. I think she backed the right horse, here. It’s okay if there’s some ‘we were never at war with Eastasia!’ involved. Politics is politics, egos are egos.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
If banks can get away with it, why not the car industry? Why not any industry?
Baud
@LAO:
These states were Trump’s strong areas, and his opponents have been particularly Keystone Koppy lately.
LAO
@Baud: I live in the northeast, I expected trump to win all 5 primaries but not by these margins. But you are right, I forgot about the “tag team” approach which lasted about 12 minutes, and made both Cruz and Kaisch look particularly weak.
debbie
@LAO:
I don’t think the tag teaming thing has started yet. Indiana’s next week.
gene108
@PsiFighter37:
Kane also seemed like a rising star before she fell flat.
McGinty has as good a shot for beating Toomey as Sestak did. Sestak’s problem is not only did he burn bridges by running against Specter, but he did very little to mend them in the interim. He also has the loser stink of losing to Toomey, in 2010, on him.
Baud
@debbie: But it was announced and was big news.
BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: You have to remember, we haven’t had the NFL in town for 20 years(since the Rams and Raiders left town); so there’ll be quite alot of patience.
Applejinx
@LAO: I’m not surprised by Trump’s margin of victory.
He is and remains the mirror Bernie. His whole deal is railing against the rich elites and powerbrokers, and from the very beginning he’s been a heady mixture of nasty racist bullshit and completely valid ‘truth to power’. That he has no coherent remedy doesn’t matter, in R-land.
It very nearly didn’t matter in D-land. Bernie could have won on the ‘truth to power’ aspect alone. Hillary’s turned it around and won, by listening to that ‘truth’ and making sure she was saying the right things. Just as always, she will turn policy towards whatever the electorate is clamoring for (in the 90s it was salt-the-earth capitalism, or it was tough-on-crime law and order: now it’s progressivism and relief from the abuses OF capitalism: doesn’t matter to a Clinton, she will go with the latest and loudest)
Trump is merely more evidence that the will of the electorate is revolutionary and populist. They have crapped on all their ESTABLISHMENT nominees, the most ‘practical’ first, and this is the Republicans we’re talking about. Smart Democrats analyze this and figure out what’s driving such movements. In this case it’s that American aspirationalism, but there is also an urgent and pressing need for relief, and the R crowd are all turning against their own system desperately trying to get rescued from the problems they themselves have created through ideological groupthink.
Freemarket conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed: until it’s so totally discredited and awful that it all breaks down at once. And then people clamor for something very different, by which they mean ‘HELP!’. They don’t know what they want, other than blood. And the fatcats are sitting right there, looking nervous…
Interesting times.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
I’m still guffawing over Ted Cruz shooting himself in the dick and putting his own senate seat in doubt by repeatedly revealing himself as an unauthentic, smarmy, greasy fucking dork. The “basketball ring” reference in Indiana (repeated it, so it wasn’t just a verbal slip) was the failure to participate in normal American culture that was the cherry atop the sundae.
Since the assholes at Free Republic have started calling Cruz a beta male, you know he’s done. The Dallas Morning News comment section is brutal.
Baud
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I hope this is politically fatal. I can see him making another go at this in 2020. Someone here speculated he would run third party this year. As they say, God doesn’t love us that much.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@LAO: the problem is Trump is so good looking that women voted in droves for him.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Applejinx: I think Hillary was pretty much there at the beginning. The problem I’ve seen is that “progressives”(I’m a liberal) confused Bill and Hillary. Even back in the 90’s Hillary was to the left of Bill.
Randy P
@PsiFighter37: I’m disappointed as well but our candidate is McGinty now and we need to get behind her. Toomey has to go. I’m going to start sending her money, and also sending some to Mary Ellen Balchunis, who is running against Pat Meehan in our very gerrymandered PA-7.
rikyrah
@Baud:
We will see. Hell, even if he comes up short, I still just can’t believe that they will steal it from him.
Iowa Old Lady
I see at TPM that Trump says if Clinton were man she wouldn’t get 5% of the vote. The woman card is all she has.
I want him to be the world’s biggest loser. I want him humiliated.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Another Senator that may have problems with re-election is Bernie, this tax returns thing is going to come up in 2018.
amk
@Iowa Old Lady:
hillz’s ‘deal me in’ was one of her finest ripostes.
rikyrah
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
“basketball ring”?
Da hail?
You can’t be serious.
He said that in INDIANA?
Baud
By chance, I came across a small news story which mentioned . . . Rand Paul. Talk about someone who has slinked off into oblivion. I almost forgot he existed.
@BillinGlendaleCA: Man, that would surprise me. Bernie is wildly popular in Vermont.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I understand that, but the tax thing will haunt him. It was a mistake not to release them.
rikyrah
McGinty?
That was the best that the Democrats could do?
Did they not understand that Toomey MUST GO???
Xantar
It was a pretty good night for me in Baltimore. Sheila Dixon lost her bid for mayor and good riddance to that petty thief. My preferred candidate for city council won huge and a grad school classmate won in another district.
Unfortunately the city council candidate I worked for didn’t pull it off, but he was working uphill against an incumbent. Still, it’s a promising result to turn the city around.
Iowa Old Lady
@amk: Maybe Trump doesn’t know that women can vote.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@BillinGlendaleCA: I told you guys he wouldn’t release his back tax returns.
I think he’ll get away with in it in vermont only because the state is so blue.
dedc79
@Iowa Old Lady:
He’ll lose, that’s for sure. But it’s hard to humiliate a demagogue. A person has to have a sense of shame in order to feel humiliation.
debbie
@Baud:
I don’t think it will be fatal. It’ll make him the subject of a number of jokes, but his supporters will find ways around it. I still think he’ll go third party.
LAO
@Applejinx: I sort of, kind of. see things a bit differently but get to the similar place as you. I don’t see Bernie and Trump as mirror images but do think that both represent different dissatisfaction within the electorate. To me, what’s happening on the left is the logical outgrowth of the occupy movement and is largely healthy — because I believe recognizing income inequality and the fundamental unfairness of unrestrained capitalism is a societal good. My largest and biggest gripe with Republicans and Libertarians is their unshakable belief that capitalism is a moral system rather than an economic system. Ie, economic winners are “good” and the losers are “bad” Totally bogus. In other words, the left is angry at the system.
On the right — it seems to me (and I am biased FWIW), support for Trump is based upon the belief that Republican elites have lied to the base by continually promising things that were actually not deliverable, such as repealing the ACA. The anger of the right is not based on perceived unfairness of the system but at the party itself.
Not sure I’m making sense, Still drinking my first cup of coffee,
debbie
@dedc79:
Billboards across the nation with “You’re fired, Donald!”?
Applejinx
@BillinGlendaleCA: I’ll buy that, Bill. Like I’ve said, back in the day there’s that photo of Hillary and Bernie together trying to push health care reform. Didn’t work that time. I don’t think either Bill or Hil have such solid core beliefs that they won’t pivot and navigate, but as it happens that’s useful right now.
@BillinGlendaleCA: Nope, not a chance. Nobody’s suggesting electing him to national office, and it’s dubious he’ll even get much in the way of rewards (I see Hil co-opting everything he stands for and leaving him to cool his heels in Vermont, not letting him ‘lead’ much of anything). On the national stage, especially because his platform’s caught on, he’s got to become an unperson. It’ll be all Hil all the time from here on out.
But dear God, you think we’re not going to keep him for our Senator? I don’t care how much money outsiders dump into Senate races trying to get him primaried or punished for opposing the coronation. Vermonters are very proud of Bernie and we’re not letting him go. There won’t be any problems with re-election, anybody who’s thinking of causing them can just give up right now as we won’t stand for it. Besides, Hillary still won’t have released her speech transcripts by 2018 :D
Patricia Kayden
@Iowa Old Lady: He will be. November should be fun for our side. We have lots of incentives to come out in droves. I can already hear Rightwingers claiming that Trump wasn’t really a Conservative and that’s why he was trounced.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@rikyrah:
And he repeated it.
Even evangelical conservatives had to be all “WTF???!?”
Dork
@rikyrah: what does “basketball ring” refer to?
rikyrah
@LAO:
I was shocked. It was not even close. He won ALL FIVE contests with more than 50% of the vote. They want that clown. I just don’t believe that they will steal it from him if he comes up short.
rikyrah
@Dork:
The hoop
Baud
The official NCAA Men’s Basketball rule book calls it a “basket ring.”
I hope Cruz makes this argument in his defense. Maybe hold up the rule book while doing so, for extra effect.
rikyrah
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
I have a problem with that, as I did with Willard.
OzarkHillbilly
Please Bernie, stop it. Just stop it. Whining is not very becoming:
In this country Bernie, we have primaries, and we have general elections. They are different and I notice you are capable of discerning the difference even if you are incapable of reasoning out why. Let me help you with your difficulty.
Primaries are how parties to pick their nominees. General elections are where those nominees battle it out. State parties choose how to run their primaries. Some are open. Some are closed. It is the state party’s choice as to which it will be. You should have known this coming in, and if you didn’t want to live by those rules, you certainly did not have to.
All you had to do was start up your own party. As the head of said party you could have made up all the rules just the way you wanted. You could have gone out and raised all the funds necessary to build the infrastructure of the party, recruited other like minded individuals in and out of politics to join your cause. In other words, you would have had to work a lot harder for something bigger than you or the very demographically unrepresentative state you serve in the Senate. You would have also needed to start this project back in 1992 when you first got elected to Congress.
But you didn’t. You just coasted along, caucusing with Dems and voting as you saw fit just like every other Dem, but unlike every Dem in Congress, you never did a damn thing for the party. Which was fine. You want to hold yourself apart as being something purer and unsullied by the dirty backdoor deals that are part and parcel of party politics (in other realms known as ‘human relations’). OK, fine again. It’s unadulterated bull shit, but every politician covers themselves in some, so I’m OK with that.
But now, all of a sudden, you need a party. You don’t have one, so you decided to hijack the one you most closely identify with but never deigned to join. And you are losing. You think it is at least partly because people who are not part of the party aren’t allowed to vote in some of the primaries. You are at least partly right.
And the problem is?????
Aimai
@Applejinx: thats…almost surprisingly well reasoned. With the exception of the baseline assumption that Sanders is sincere and authentic and hillary is not. And with the embedded assumption that politics has ever NOT been “screwed up” or that bernies specific demands will somehow “unscrew it” and make things “work”. I think its called the fallacy of the unexcluded middle. Or maybe the fallacy of the excluded middle. I havent had my coffe yet.
amk
@OzarkHillbilly:
#freecollege #wallstreetthugs #incomeinequality. Ha.
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: There hasn’t been any NFL in STL since at least 2006.
HelloRochester
Dear Boomers/Hillary superfriends: you got what you think you want. Start phonebanking and looking for AirBnB locations for wherever you’re going to GOTV in person. Her cakewalk in the general is Not assured. And even if she wins, if she doesn’t have at least the Senate it’s gonna be 1998 for at least the next 4 years.
BR
@Iowa Old Lady:
We need to turn out an Obama ’08 level ground game, not just to beat Trump but also to win the senate, house seats, local races… The GOP has more governors now in swing states — we need the margin of victory to be beyond stealing.
LAO
@rikyrah:
At this point, I don’t think they can. I’m speechless.
Applejinx
@LAO:
Republican elites promise WEALTH. Never mind repealing health care: yes they promise ‘the black dude next to you won’t even have a curtain rod to cook his sparrow’ (ack: no cooking OUR Sparrow, please!) but this entire time they’ve been promising trickle-down and the idea that building our wealthy people and companies into titans of industry and finance, means that the regular guy on Main Street will also be proud and wealthy and thriving.
And it’s a total fucking lie. But it’s the kind of lie that both the titans of industry, and the regular guys, can con themselves into believing: for everybody not you, that’s not getting their reward, it’s always their fault. Clap harder, and everybody will be above average.
The Republicans have been promising wealth and collective power all this time and that’s why they’re failing. Right now, the electorate gets no wealth at all, and their Republican leaders have no power to do anything but sit there and get paid for doing fuck-all. And Republican voters hate that. They associate that behavior (and weasely power-mongering and deals/alliances) with evil union bosses.
Hence, Trump.
If Hillary promises a chicken in every pot, school for all, and a surplus instead of a deficit, and says ‘Bill did that, I’ll do likewise’, she’ll be offering the core promise of the Republican lie, from a Progressive position, and she’ll be able to get the more pragmatic Republican voters without bending an inch from the Dem coalition platform. She doesn’t even need to war-hawk at them. All she has to do is feed them. (and then she’ll never get rid of ’em…)
And because of the amount of wealth disparity baked into the system, this is not an unreasonable thing to propose to do. It’s the same country we had in the 50s. The wealth distribution was just different thanks to FDR and decades of redistributionist policy. We CAN feed the people, in fact due to technology we can more easily feed and house and transport the people than ever before. Germany is half solar powered and they get only half our sunlight to work with. We so obviously can do this.
Emma
@BillinGlendaleCA: What about bulgogi? Is there bulgogi? Or Jeyuk? Though a good bulgogi is hard to beat… *runs to check for ingredients*
MattF
I wonder (a bit) at people being surprised at Trump’s winning margins. After all, Cruz is obviously and deeply pathological and Kasich, by any rational standard, has zero chance of getting nominated.
What’s interesting to me is the disastrous failure of ‘conservative’ politics. Once upon a time, these guys were Masters of the Universe– now, in the blink of an eye, it’s all gone. I blame Obama.
Applejinx
@Aimai: Thank you. Some of us have been insisting it’s the platform, not the person, for months and months now. (those of us in Vermont will get to thank the person by re-electing him our Senator, that being the highest position he’s gonna be allowed from now on)
This is a great time to demonstrate the truth of that, and you’ll notice many people’s problem with Clinton is mostly out of (by now, ill-founded) fears that she secretly ‘wants’ some very different platform that will hurt us.
I really do think that’s crap. The power of the presidency far out-weighs any mere money considerations, and the path is clear. The more Hillary postures that she’s the true and real liberal and progressive, always was: the more she struggles to suppress earlier positions or platforms that don’t conform to President Hillary 2016, the more I shall be pleased. Great politicans are politicians FIRST. The money is secondary or tertiary.
I’m beginning to believe (note: berniac here, you all know that quite well) that Hillary Clinton could wind up a truly great President, and not at all just because of breaking the glass ceiling. I also think she could as easily be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad President if she so chooses, and that’s what terrifies everybody.
But SHE CHOOSES. In the end it’s down to her: wicked Maggie Thatcher, or universally beloved Lady Diana? The way things stand it really is up to her, and I see her increasingly open about siding with the electorate, with the long-stifled left. She’ll want all the credit, but that’s politics.
And the times are right for that choice to pay off, bigtime. Play her cards right, and we’ll all be sobbing that we can’t elect HER to a third term in 2024.
LAO
@MattF: I’m surprised at Trump’s margin of victory because I expected Kaisch to get a protest vote to ensure the nomination went through the convention. Republicans like my dad, will stay at home on Election Day rather than vote for trump or Clinton. I’m not surprised people didn’t vote for Cruz because the guy is odious.
But you are right. It’s definitely Obama’s fault.
Gin & Tonic
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Providence elected a convicted felon to be mayor, because they knew him and he was popular. People can overlook a lot when it’s “their guy.”
BC in Illinois
@OzarkHillbilly: @BillinGlendaleCA
This. And it has helped my understanding of NFL loyalties to realize that they never were the St. Louis Rams. They were the Georgie Frontiere Rams, that gave us two Super Bowls* and much excitement. Then they were the Walmart family Rams that gave us not much. It helps clarify the mind to think of the Walmart family team playing the Jerry Jones team or the Danny Snyder team.
* On the second Super Bowl, cf. http://www.si.com/si-wire/2013/01/30/marshall-faulk-patriots-cheated-rams-super-bowl
Tripod
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
That and the corrupt Democratic establishment will support him and stand down any challange.
different-church-lady
@Applejinx:
Nope, ain’t falling for it.
Jeffro
@Baud:
That’s drier than a jar of Tang mix left open in the Sahara, lol.
Here we go folks – barring some truly weird stuff, it’s Clinton vs. Trump. That’s such a no brainer, such a landslide, such an opportunity. Let’s not waste a minute. Figure out how you can contribute to the campaign, the party, whatever, in any way/shape/form. Much of the GOP is still going to rally to Trump’s side, and the Kochs are just going to divert $500M from the presidential race to the down-ballot races…tsunami doesn’t even begin to describe it. And then they’re just going to jam up everything with their majority in the House. So, President Clinton’s going to need a Democratic Senate to get cracking on all those judicial appointments (not just SCOTUS) if the next 4-8 years are going to mean anything at all.
Let’s do this!
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
Broken down like a fraction :)
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx:
This is really not true. Trump’s whole deal that he’s awesome. His other whole deal is railing at The Other. “Rich elites and powerbrokers” are part of who he blames for not putting The Other in his place, but it’s a variant on assorted Spiro Agnew crapola about how the real elites are pointy-headed intellectuals, professors, and bureaucrats. He doesn’t rail at “rich elites” for being rich or at “powerbrokers” for being powerful, he rails at them for not cracking down on The Other.
El Caganer
@gene108: Kane did more than fall flat, she’s under indictment, an honor she shares with the Texas AG.
Cleos
@Baud: Not from NY but I can live with that. Easily.
Chris
@Baud:
Baud, as the only really serious presidential candidate still running, what’s your stance on metro riders who clog up the escalators by failing to abide by the simple etiquette of “if you’re standing, stay on the right, if you’re walking, stay on the left?” Should they be drawn and quartered, or merely shot in the face until dead?
I know, some people believe the question is more properly dealt with at the state level, but I bet you could energize quite a few city voters by taking a strong stand.
Cleos
@Applejinx:
That’s what you get when you supposedly join a political party — just for that one election cycle — and then proceed to treat said party with contempt.
Damn these people who try to politicize politics!
Chris
@LAO:
The thing that doesn’t get nearly enough commentary (and none at all in the mainstream media) when it comes to Trump/Sanders comparisons is that they simply don’t have the same magnitude within their respective parties. Trump has beat the living shit out of the other candidates in general and “establishment” candidates in particular (Bush and Rubio are gone, and Kasich isn’t going to be it). Sanders, while he’s done better than anyone expected a year ago, hasn’t been able to do the same to Hillary Clinton; her win is all but guaranteed at this point. Yes, both parties have been challenged by populist sentiment, but the Democratic establishment has not collapsed as a viable option in the eyes of their voters; the Republican one has.
The MSM absolutely won’t discuss this, because that would mean acknowledging that the Trump phenomenon represents the failure not of “the system” or “the establishment” or “Washington” or Obama as they dearly want to believe, but of the Republican Party specifically. And that the Democratic Party is more in touch with its voters than the Republican one.
sunny raines
the more diverse a group is, the LESS likely it is to please members of the group as it tries to accommodate it’s diversity. The important thing people have to remember are the fundamentals, in this case: which party generally works for the most people and which appeals to a narrow interest. The strategy and tactics of achieving the fundamental goals are what people will argue over and be disgruntled about, but if the goals are common they should be able to accept less than perfection.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: Lot of determination there.
Paul in KY
@rikyrah: Who among us does not love placing the orange sphere in the basketball ring?
gwangung
@sunny raines:
Yes. This.
For example, black Americans. Core constiuency group. And as long as they get decent progress and responsiveness on their main issues (and get progress on issues less core but still important), they’ll be part of the party. And that’s how it works. It’s never “my way or else” in a diverse group.
Paul in KY
@Baud: He’s probably read the rule book. Probably when at Harvard & manager to an intramural team. Wanted to ratfuck another team somehow. Or maybe they got their ass whupped & he was going to litigate it.
Cermet
This just about wrapped up the nomination for Hillary. She won close to what, over 200 delegates? Besides a near sweep she demonstrated her ability to beat tRump. She needs to pick a VP from Ohio and essentially lock up the election (presidential) and serve her one term … .
Johnny Coelacanth
@Applejinx: “he’s got to become an unperson.” Whut? I know this is part of your ‘Hillary is going to co-opt Bernie’s message’ scenario, but where is this coming from? Hillary’s not stupid; she knows Bernie’s supporters will be watching. She can’t afford to make him an unperson, nor would she be able to.
After California, Sanders will go back to Vermont, where his star will shine brighter than ever. Journalists will seek out his opinion on the general election and I imagine he will share it with them. Clinton needs his voters; you seem to be saying she can get them by simply stealing his message. I think she knows that won’t be enough to carry them along. I’m optimistic enough to believe that Sanders will campaign for Clinton in the general, quite the opposite of becoming an unperson.
nutella
Since this is an open thread: Hastert sentenced to 15 months in jail, fine of $250,000, and he must fulfill a sex offender treatment program and is prohibited from contacting his victims.
One of the victims testified. Hastert said “I am deeply ashamed to be standing before you today. I mistreated some of the athletes that I coached.” He said he didn’t remember abusing the witness, but that he accepted his statement. Still not admitting anything although he certainly remembered enough to organize payoffs. He had asked the witness’s brother for support!
Considering everything it sounds like a reasonable ending to the case.
Turgidson
@Baud:
I’d say Andrew Sullivan, but we don’t respect him so he doesn’t fit the bill.