France is certainly controlling the action with their pressing, they need to make it pay though.
14.
humboldtblue
Ronaldo’s done, he’s injured
15.
raven
@humboldtblue: Throws out the old time out ploy, no?
16.
BillCinSD
@humboldtblue: which despite his being a diving jerk on the field (and evidently a pretty good guy off) sucks for the game, although Quaresma has played well in short appearances
17.
raven
Well, it’s true drama.
18.
raven
Win one for da Naldo!
19.
humboldtblue
@BillCinSD: He’s always worth a watch and it’s a lesser game with him off
Pepe collapsing and rolling around on the pitch like he has been shot. He should remember that he has a history with Mark Clattenburg.
28.
RealityBites
Some speculation that the tackle that injured Ronaldo was illegal and should have earned a red. Any sites replaying it? Neither Ronaldo nor Messi have lead their international teams to a major prize – how frustrating for two players who always make any game better. I’m sure it doesn’t make things any better for Ronaldo, but I hope his injury was just due to bad luck and not poor sportsmanship. He deserved a chance to put in his 110%.
29.
Bookdragon
And RonaldoFaceMoth is now trending on twitter. Very weird.
30.
Svensker
I got nothing against the French, but our nabe is heavily settled by the Portuguese so I gotta go with them. Also, I think their coach is cute.
Some speculation that the tackle that injured Ronaldo was illegal and should have earned a red. Any sites replaying it?
Replay about 40 seconds in. It might have been a foul, although none as called, but no way a red card or even a yellow barring something like persistent infringement
34.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
He just got bumped into from the side- not even worth a yellow. It was just an unfortunate angle, from where he was bumped and how his legs were planted.
35.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Yeah, it is a contact sport. Sometimes people get injured.
@RealityBites: According to the Guardian Minute by Minute account of the game, the ITV panel of Lee Dixon, Ian Wright, Roy Keane and Ryan Giggs said in their opinions, it wasn’t even a foul.
37.
BillCinSD
How did Griezman miss that? well it was a difficult header but he has put that away all tourney
@BillCinSD: it wasn’t only Keane who felt it wasn’t a foul. FWIW Keane’s act was despicable and he knew it, especially as evidenced by the fact that he started walking off the pitch before the referee could even get out the red card.
41.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
It’s like a big, red bus parked their, across the field. Damn!
42.
Svensker
@Randinho: Toronto! ETA or, as the local Portuguese would say, ToRONT.
Some speculation that the tackle that injured Ronaldo was illegal and should have earned a red. Any sites replaying it?
I ran it and reran it on the DVR. I thought it should have been a foul (not a card), because even though the French player touched the ball a fraction of a second before he hit Ronaldo, he was coming in hard on an angle with no “through line”—he was going to hit Ronaldo no matter what. Could have been ruled a dangerous or careless tackle.
Mileage varies, etc. Would be interesting to hear Mayhew and the brain trust weigh in.
45.
Elizabelle
My hostel is full of small French childrens with red, white and blue stripes painted on their faces. Thought they’d been sent to bed, but they are all back. A scouting expedition, with five adult chaperones
Was not into kid city, but they are wonderful kids. Rooting for France.
@Svensker: It’s so funny how different they speak the language here in Brazil as opposed to Portugal. The main difference is that the Brazilians have their mouths open a lot more and the Portuguese, Angolans and the rest of the former colonies keep their mouths more closed, leading to the cutting off of words.
48.
BillCinSD
Gignac doesn’t have the knack, looks like extra time
49.
Svensker
@Randinho: Seriously big. Huge Portuguese neighborhoods, churches, bakeries, restaurants and soccer fans. And two Portuguese radio stations.
50.
RealityBites
Just went to the guardian site. Very knowledgeable folks there. Maybe not even a foul. Bad luck for him, though.
My parents lived in Brazil before I was born and my mom spoke really good Brazilian Portuguese. She used to watch a lot of Brazilian movies and listen to Brazilian music and I loved the sound of the language growing up. The first time I heard Portuguese Portuguese, I couldn’t figure out what it was — thought it was some sort of Slavic with Latin roots, it sounded so odd to me. It’s much harsher than Brazilian Portuguese.
52.
eclare
So, seriously, I don’t know, did Portugal have a one person offense?
FWIW Keane’s act was despicable and he knew it, especially as evidenced by the fact that he started walking off the pitch before the referee could even get out the red card.
yeah but he doesn’t regret it, so it seems unlikely he thinks it was despicable, just justifiable retribution for Haland saying something bad a bout Roy, despite realizing it was a red card
54.
Thor Heyerdahl
@Svensker: The smell of sardines on the grill. If Portugal ever played Italy in a soccer final , construction in Toronto would come to a standstill ;)
@RealityBites: Looked to me like a deliberate attempt to injure. I don’t see how you can make that kind of a challenge without causing a least some injury to the opponent’s knee.
Deserved win for Portugal. I had been rooting for France until that brutal challenge on Rinaldo.
@Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again):
If they would have scored on the free kick, I’d agree with you. But the goal was too long after (and too well struck) to blame it on the officials. France had their chances. Blame is on them.
83.
BillCinSD
@Randinho: as a player, and as the subject of a play, absolutely
84.
BillCinSD
@smintheus: did you not watch the 2016 final? are you thinking of some other foul? It was unfortunate, but wasn’t brutal nor probably an intentional attempt to injure
85.
smintheus
@BillCinSD: You’re condescending to me about naivité? Sounds like you were never the guy whose knees the other side were trying to blow up. There was no chance that challenge was due to bad luck because there was no way Payet could avoid ramming Rinaldo in the side of his knee. That makes it an attempt to injure by definition. Payet may or may not have thought that it might force Rinaldo out of the game, but it is exactly the kind of cheap shot that certain kinds of players use to hobble the other side’s fastest and most skilled attackers.
86.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Randinho: Zooks! Is there some reason why this “Pepe” guy isn’t rotting in a prison somewhere?
Cynical football from Portugal, who won the game based upon a short chain of events emanating from a horrible call on a hand ball.
Yes, it was a rare bad call by center referee Mark Clattenberg, who otherwise is probably the best soccer referee in the world right now – I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he gets the whistle in for the 2018 World Cup final. He’s currently 41, and traditionally, the WC final whistle is given to a longtime top referee nearing retirement from that level of international competition (which used to be a hard limit at 45 years old, but there is no longer any formal age limit). COMPARE AND CONTRAST the clearly substandard job done by center referee Heber Lopes in the Copa America final between Argentina vs Chile. A yellow-card to Messi-for diving, REALLY? Messi simply lost his footing on an attacking chance in the PA, and did nothing as he went down or afterward to try to “sell” a call to the ref (e.g. sitting on the ground with two hands in the air in a “what???” gesture, or excessive rolling on the ground).
As to the handling call itself in Portugal v France, it’s easy to understand why even a top referee like Clattenberg might have easily misunderstood what he was seeing – the French defender clearly moved his arm outstretched into the path of the ball in a situation where a tactical handling foul often occurs, and it wasn’t obvious until the replay that it actually hit the Portugese attacker’s hand first (else it certainly would have hit the defender’s outstretched hand). For Clattenberg, that’s one missed call out of hundreds in top-level games.
88.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
raven
Hoping for a good game!
humboldtblue
Vive La France!
hilts
Let’s Go France
Omnes Omnibus
Allez les Bleus!
humboldtblue
Blaise Matuidi has earned himself a massive raise, if it’s not United that’s gonna pay him Juve will.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: Who are you and what have you done with raven?
Two statements I never suspected I’d read after your nym. What’d I miss? Or have I never known you?
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’ve been here for nearly every thread Randinho has conducted?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: The things I’ve missed over the years of football here. ::Blushing in embarrassment::
I blame the heat; it makes me forgetful.
eclare
Let’s go Les Bleus!
There is a moth problem?
humboldtblue
That’s Ronaldo calling a timeout after France’s hot start
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m not pretending to get the finer points of the game but I love the tension.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: Now that I get – it makes total sense.
BillCinSD
France is certainly controlling the action with their pressing, they need to make it pay though.
humboldtblue
Ronaldo’s done, he’s injured
raven
@humboldtblue: Throws out the old time out ploy, no?
BillCinSD
@humboldtblue: which despite his being a diving jerk on the field (and evidently a pretty good guy off) sucks for the game, although Quaresma has played well in short appearances
raven
Well, it’s true drama.
raven
Win one for da Naldo!
humboldtblue
@BillCinSD: He’s always worth a watch and it’s a lesser game with him off
humboldtblue
@raven: Yes
raven
Georgia went to the Final Four the year after Nique left!
Linnaeus
Well, I favored Germany, but now it’s allez les Bleus!
eclare
Is Portugal playing for OT and penalty kicks?
Randinho
Quaresma, by the way, is the Portuguese word for Lent. So Ronaldo. Gave up e game for Lent.
eclare
@Randinho: Interesting! And he also has a different hairstyle, to put it mildly.
BillCinSD
Kind of boring first half, I hope the managers are giving the players a bunch of encouragement to actually go try to win the game
Randinho
Pepe collapsing and rolling around on the pitch like he has been shot. He should remember that he has a history with Mark Clattenburg.
RealityBites
Some speculation that the tackle that injured Ronaldo was illegal and should have earned a red. Any sites replaying it? Neither Ronaldo nor Messi have lead their international teams to a major prize – how frustrating for two players who always make any game better. I’m sure it doesn’t make things any better for Ronaldo, but I hope his injury was just due to bad luck and not poor sportsmanship. He deserved a chance to put in his 110%.
Bookdragon
And RonaldoFaceMoth is now trending on twitter. Very weird.
Svensker
I got nothing against the French, but our nabe is heavily settled by the Portuguese so I gotta go with them. Also, I think their coach is cute.
Omnes Omnibus
@RealityBites: Speculation by whom?
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: “some”
BillCinSD
@RealityBites:
Replay about 40 seconds in. It might have been a foul, although none as called, but no way a red card or even a yellow barring something like persistent infringement
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
@RealityBites:
He just got bumped into from the side- not even worth a yellow. It was just an unfortunate angle, from where he was bumped and how his legs were planted.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Yeah, it is a contact sport. Sometimes people get injured.
Randinho
@RealityBites: According to the Guardian Minute by Minute account of the game, the ITV panel of Lee Dixon, Ian Wright, Roy Keane and Ryan Giggs said in their opinions, it wasn’t even a foul.
BillCinSD
How did Griezman miss that? well it was a difficult header but he has put that away all tourney
Randinho
@Svensker: Do you live in Massachusetts or elsewhere in New England or maybe New Jersey?
BillCinSD
@Randinho: does Roy Keane think that jumping studs first onto someone’s knee is a foul? Evidently he doesn’t regret destroying Haland’s knee
Randinho
@BillCinSD: it wasn’t only Keane who felt it wasn’t a foul. FWIW Keane’s act was despicable and he knew it, especially as evidenced by the fact that he started walking off the pitch before the referee could even get out the red card.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
It’s like a big, red bus parked their, across the field. Damn!
Svensker
@Randinho: Toronto! ETA or, as the local Portuguese would say, ToRONT.
Randinho
@Svensker: interesting ! Did not know that they had a large Portuguese presence there.
Steeplejack
@RealityBites:
I ran it and reran it on the DVR. I thought it should have been a foul (not a card), because even though the French player touched the ball a fraction of a second before he hit Ronaldo, he was coming in hard on an angle with no “through line”—he was going to hit Ronaldo no matter what. Could have been ruled a dangerous or careless tackle.
Mileage varies, etc. Would be interesting to hear Mayhew and the brain trust weigh in.
Elizabelle
My hostel is full of small French childrens with red, white and blue stripes painted on their faces. Thought they’d been sent to bed, but they are all back. A scouting expedition, with five adult chaperones
Was not into kid city, but they are wonderful kids. Rooting for France.
eclare
@Elizabelle: @Elizabelle: Are you still in Spain?
Randinho
@Svensker: It’s so funny how different they speak the language here in Brazil as opposed to Portugal. The main difference is that the Brazilians have their mouths open a lot more and the Portuguese, Angolans and the rest of the former colonies keep their mouths more closed, leading to the cutting off of words.
BillCinSD
Gignac doesn’t have the knack, looks like extra time
Svensker
@Randinho: Seriously big. Huge Portuguese neighborhoods, churches, bakeries, restaurants and soccer fans. And two Portuguese radio stations.
RealityBites
Just went to the guardian site. Very knowledgeable folks there. Maybe not even a foul. Bad luck for him, though.
Svensker
@Randinho:
My parents lived in Brazil before I was born and my mom spoke really good Brazilian Portuguese. She used to watch a lot of Brazilian movies and listen to Brazilian music and I loved the sound of the language growing up. The first time I heard Portuguese Portuguese, I couldn’t figure out what it was — thought it was some sort of Slavic with Latin roots, it sounded so odd to me. It’s much harsher than Brazilian Portuguese.
eclare
So, seriously, I don’t know, did Portugal have a one person offense?
Not that France has done any better, score wise.
BillCinSD
@Randinho:
yeah but he doesn’t regret it, so it seems unlikely he thinks it was despicable, just justifiable retribution for Haland saying something bad a bout Roy, despite realizing it was a red card
Thor Heyerdahl
@Svensker: The smell of sardines on the grill. If Portugal ever played Italy in a soccer final , construction in Toronto would come to a standstill ;)
Svensker
@Thor Heyerdahl: Ha! True!
BillCinSD
well at least there was some goal mouth action in the first period of ET
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
Time for a Tricolore popsicle.
Randinho
@Svensker: Exactly! The difference is much more pronounced than say, between British and American English.
Omnes Omnibus
Bad, bad call.
BillCinSD
bad call on the hand ball almost wins it for Portugal
Svensker
Wow!
BillCinSD
and Eder with the long grass cutter with 11 minutes left. Portugal ahead
eta: Umtiti really needs to close that down
Ronnie Pudding
Portugal!
cmorenc
WOW great goal!
Randinho
@BillCinSD: Fair enough, but three other players said it wasn’t a foul.
Tony J
France haven’t pressed hard enough, and Portugal are always worth a goal if you give them enough chances.
Is it too late to point out I predicted a Portugal 1-0 win? I did, honest.
BillCinSD
@Randinho: I was making fun of Roy Keane and fouls. But, also, ex-players are generally very poor judges of what is a foul
Randinho
i really hate the possibility of Pepe winning anything. Here is some of the Pepe/Clattenburg history.
Randinho
@BillCinSD: Perhaps, but I have immense respect for Ryan Giggs
Randinho
At this point, even though I’m pulling for France, this is better than penalties.
Svensker
Seems like nothing went right for France the last 12 minutes.
Omnes Omnibus
Well, fuck that for a bag of bananas.
Tony J
They won the trophy the way they won our hearts. (sob)
Congratulations, France, you certainly gave that at least 50% of the effort Portugal did.
Svensker
Well, that calls for a round of egg tarts for everyone!
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
Cynical football from Portugal, who won the game based upon a short chain of events emanating from a horrible call on a hand ball.
Congrats to someone, I guess.
James E Powell
I feel like I’m getting better at watching this game because I saw that goal coming. France looked like they had dead legs on defense there.
Randinho
@Svensker: Pasteis de Belem, followed by a bottle of vinho verde!
Folks, that’s awrap on two big tournaments. Thanks for contributing to all.
Please allow me to trash Pepe one last time.
smintheus
@RealityBites: Looked to me like a deliberate attempt to injure. I don’t see how you can make that kind of a challenge without causing a least some injury to the opponent’s knee.
Deserved win for Portugal. I had been rooting for France until that brutal challenge on Rinaldo.
Randinho
Nani FFS,pull down your shorts!
raven
@Randinho: Thanks to you man!
Randinho
@raven: ????
Ronnie Pudding
@Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again):
If they would have scored on the free kick, I’d agree with you. But the goal was too long after (and too well struck) to blame it on the officials. France had their chances. Blame is on them.
BillCinSD
@Randinho: as a player, and as the subject of a play, absolutely
BillCinSD
@smintheus: did you not watch the 2016 final? are you thinking of some other foul? It was unfortunate, but wasn’t brutal nor probably an intentional attempt to injure
smintheus
@BillCinSD: You’re condescending to me about naivité? Sounds like you were never the guy whose knees the other side were trying to blow up. There was no chance that challenge was due to bad luck because there was no way Payet could avoid ramming Rinaldo in the side of his knee. That makes it an attempt to injure by definition. Payet may or may not have thought that it might force Rinaldo out of the game, but it is exactly the kind of cheap shot that certain kinds of players use to hobble the other side’s fastest and most skilled attackers.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Randinho: Zooks! Is there some reason why this “Pepe” guy isn’t rotting in a prison somewhere?
:-(
Cheers,
Scott.
cmorenc
@Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again):
Yes, it was a rare bad call by center referee Mark Clattenberg, who otherwise is probably the best soccer referee in the world right now – I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he gets the whistle in for the 2018 World Cup final. He’s currently 41, and traditionally, the WC final whistle is given to a longtime top referee nearing retirement from that level of international competition (which used to be a hard limit at 45 years old, but there is no longer any formal age limit). COMPARE AND CONTRAST the clearly substandard job done by center referee Heber Lopes in the Copa America final between Argentina vs Chile. A yellow-card to Messi-for diving, REALLY? Messi simply lost his footing on an attacking chance in the PA, and did nothing as he went down or afterward to try to “sell” a call to the ref (e.g. sitting on the ground with two hands in the air in a “what???” gesture, or excessive rolling on the ground).
As to the handling call itself in Portugal v France, it’s easy to understand why even a top referee like Clattenberg might have easily misunderstood what he was seeing – the French defender clearly moved his arm outstretched into the path of the ball in a situation where a tactical handling foul often occurs, and it wasn’t obvious until the replay that it actually hit the Portugese attacker’s hand first (else it certainly would have hit the defender’s outstretched hand). For Clattenberg, that’s one missed call out of hundreds in top-level games.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
@cmorenc:
II agree with you about Clattenberg, but it was a bad call- and it cost France.
It’s a bit like BLM: I don’t think that all refs are bad refs, but they ALL have to do what it takes to be better refs.