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That meeting sounds like a shotgun wedding between a shitshow and a clusterfuck.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

The willow is too close to the house.

The revolution will be supervised.

She burned that motherfucker down, and I am so here for it. Thank you, Caroline Kennedy.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

If America since Jan 2025 hasn’t broken your heart, you haven’t loved her enough.

Let’s bury these fuckers at the polls 2 years from now.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

White supremacy is terrorism.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

He really is that stupid.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Excellent Links / Sunday Evening Open Thread: “This Is Not A Crisis…”

Sunday Evening Open Thread: “This Is Not A Crisis…”

by Anne Laurie|  May 14, 20174:20 pm| 121 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality

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Give the Trump Mis-Administration this credit: It’s been a growth opportunity for young satirists. And the Washington Post‘s Alexandra Petri has really come into her own: “This is not a crisis, Republicans say as a large spider slowly devours them“…

… This is clearly not the end of the world. That would be more clearly labeled and would be brought about by the other party. And the weather would be more ominous. Ravens would squawk, and the sky would turn red. It would not occur on a Tuesday when I had made other plans.

Okay, the firing of FBI Director James Comey looked bad. And when the president stunned him, pierced him with his fangs, wrapped him in a thick cocoon of impenetrable webbing and left him to hang there for days, that timing was also poor. It doesn’t seem as though it was what the FBI wanted or what the deputy attorney general wanted, either. But the American people voted for change! And the president is not Nixon. Nixon fired people on a Saturday, whereas this happened on a Tuesday…

This has none of the historical signs of a crisis. We still believe in small government, and that doesn’t have to change because the person or entity presiding over it happens to be a giant spider.

I think of the many norms that are still going strong as the digestive acid begins to eat its way through my flag pin.

We got an appointee for the Supreme Court! That, already, is a great accomplishment…

I am still getting what I wanted. It is good to have someone in the Oval Office who shares my values: covering everything with giant webs, eating flies and restoring our relationship with Russia. I think I once had other values but, well, winning is winning.

Also, we have yet to see what this will become. We don’t know that a special prosecutor is called for.

It is quite possible that the thing spewing its webbing everywhere in the Oval Office is not in its final form. Perhaps it will ultimately look like Merrick Garland. We should wait. Really, everything depends on the next move. Which will, of course, set the terms for the move after that. All of which we must contemplate and look into…

Besides, if it were really bad, Paul Ryan would say something….

Apart from always looking on the bright side, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?

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121Comments

  1. 1.

    Achrachno

    May 14, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Venom is a drug.

  2. 2.

    Lapassionara

    May 14, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Thanks for posting this, but I think the spider is preparing to have us for dinner too.

  3. 3.

    JMG

    May 14, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    That was a fantastic piece and Petri is one of the main reasons to read the Post.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    May 14, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    Uh uh uh ???

  5. 5.

    cmorenc

    May 14, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    Our country has survived disastrous Presidents before and come out ok. For example, take James Buchanan. Feel better now?

    Don’t everyone head off to Canada at the same time, they might cut us off.

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    May 14, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    We’re on our way home from visiting with my mother-in-law, an aunt and an uncle. They are wonderful people, and I love them dearly. But they talk nonstop, and often over each other.

    My husband and I have barely said a word to each other on the hour-plus drive home. We’re savoring the silence.

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    May 14, 2017 at 4:43 pm

    Nothing on Laurence Tribe, “Trump Must Be Impeached” (same newspaper)?

  8. 8.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    May 14, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    I know I’ve said this about 800 times already, but I’m sick of this movie.

  9. 9.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    So although I kind of like your nickname for Trump, I think it’s a bit sexist, so I would like to propose an alternative to using “princess”: Pampered Prince Manbaby.

  10. 10.

    ruemara

    May 14, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    I swept the back patio of months of detrius, cleaned the tub because the roommate does not understand that bathrooms must be cleaned, put in new shower curtains, washed all the clothes and petted the neighborhood tabby. Seems I was missed. There’s just the rest of the cookery for the week, hopefully finding either a kickboxing class (I hope I am up to that) or a Zumba class as an emotional outlet and pulling my head together for the regularly schedule passion play of dutiful daughter wherein I call my awful parents and mouth platitudes about their toxic parenting. All in all, a productive day.

  11. 11.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    May 14, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Well, I can see that, but I think he’s much more a princess. He likes golden palaces and golden castles by the sea. He wants to ride in the British queen’s golden horse-drawn chariot. And besides, “Princess” is so much likelier to get under his skin.

  12. 12.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    May 14, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    I mean, he has the same tastes my now-ten year old daughter had when she was five. She loved anything she thought was “princessy”. I think he does, too.

  13. 13.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    May 14, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    For Mother’s Day, here’s a lovely letter JFK wrote to his mother. Her reply is included further down. I laughed.

  14. 14.

    Lapassionara

    May 14, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): your now ten-year-old daughter no doubt saw a Disney princess movie at least once a year if not more often. She had an excuse. Trump has the taste of the nouveau riche, and that is dreadful, and he has no excuse, other than his ignorance and narcissism. HIS.

  15. 15.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: It is more demeaning in Twitler’s eyes to be called a woman. Works for me.

  16. 16.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Nah. It’s sexist and a little homophobic to insist that the real problem with a man is that he’s just like a girl.

    He’s a Pampered Prince Manbaby.

    (Also, too, one of the reasons I like Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 is that it takes a surprisingly hard look at toxic masculinity and doesn’t like what it sees. No need to drag women into what Donald has done all by himself.)

  17. 17.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    It is more demeaning in Twitler’s eyes to be called a woman. Works for me.

    It would be even more demeaning to imply that he’s Black or Jewish, so we should go ahead and do that as well, right?

  18. 18.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    @cmorenc:
    I’m​ not going anywhere, but down swinging.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    May 14, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    Trump as Shelob. Like.

  20. 20.

    geg6

    May 14, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    @Baud:

    Yep. Works for me.

  21. 21.

    Sinnach

    May 14, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    So uh at the risk of opening a huge can of worms here but half the liberal sites I go to are mainlining conspiracy theories about how Trump, Pence, Ryan, and half the GOP leadership have signed arrest warrants out for them and any pushback against this bizarre claim gets you labeled as a Russian bot attempting to sabotage the progressive movement. I’m really at a loss.

    Also I’m kinda partial to spiders. Rather have them than the stuff they eat.

  22. 22.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: He doesn’t act black or Jewish, but he does act like a spoiled princess.
    Besides, it’s not aimed at a real person; it’s Ginger Jabba the Hutt. The idea is to get under his skin.

  23. 23.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    It was a beautiful, sunny and warm day here in NoVA. We got to listen to the birds tweeting up a storm in the overgrown back yard, and I just finished cutting the grass. And I’ve been watching the chipmunks as they scurry around and in and out of a hole in the front yard, wondering how much of a problem they’re going to end up being (if any). I figure the foxes, coyotes, owls, and eagles will take care of them, given the opportunity…

    Memeorandum is saying (via Axios) that Donnie is considering a “huge reboot” of his administration (from Priebus on down), and (via the WSJ) that the Teabaggers want to cut Medicaid deeper and faster. So, next week is going to continue along Bannon’s “bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment” playbook. Fun times!!11

    :-/

    Hang in there, everyone.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    May 14, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    @Sinnach: Stop going to those sites. Problem solved.

  25. 25.

    geg6

    May 14, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    Are there only spoiled princesses? No spoiled princes around?

  26. 26.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    @Lapassionara:

    Trump has the taste of the nouveau riche

    He has negative taste

  27. 27.

    Mart

    May 14, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    Did anybody make it thru the tRump interview with Jeanine Pirro on Fox so called News last night? Channel flipping saw the opening. She speaks with giant pouted lips just like tRump. All of a sudden the lyrics to: Your lips, your lips, your lips, your lips are juicy
    Mmmm started playing in my head. And they were agreeing on crazy shit. Don’t think I took it for more than 90 seconds. She kept saying she knew tRump for 30 years. I wonder if those giant juicy lips ever met? How hot would that be???

  28. 28.

    MattF

    May 14, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Met my then-boss’s wife, many years ago. A chatterbox, absolutely nonstop. Gave me a new perspective on his long hours at the office.

  29. 29.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    @A Ghost to Most: The thing that really got under Donnie’s skin was at the 3rd debate:

    TRUMP: … from everything I see, has no respect for this person.

    CLINTON: Well, that’s because he’d rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

    TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.

    CLINTON: And it’s pretty clear…

    TRUMP: You’re the puppet!

    CLINTON: It’s pretty clear you won’t admit…

    TRUMP: No, you’re the puppet.

    Donnie the Puppet works for me.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  30. 30.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    @Sinnach:

    Also I’m kinda partial to spiders. Rather have them than the stuff they eat.

    Spiders are our friends. I don’t even kill the black widows we have in our house.

  31. 31.

    SFAW

    May 14, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    @Baud:

    Trump as Shelob.

    I’d pay good money to see/hear someone shout at him “Oh Dragonbreth! Gilthorpial!” and see him scream in pain.

  32. 32.

    Jeffro

    May 14, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    @JMG: Seconded! Also glad they run Crampell’s columns twice a week.

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    He doesn’t act black or Jewish, but he does act like a spoiled princess.

    So spoiled princes don’t exist?

  34. 34.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    @Another Scott:
    I wouldn’t trust anything saying he’s going to fire everybody. There have been regular suggestions along those lines, but not a lot of action. I agree with those who suggest he threatens mass firings to keep his subordinates in line. It’s one of those things that will keep working until they’re more afraid of his abuse than they are of losing their jobs.

  35. 35.

    Jeffro

    May 14, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    @efgoldman:

    [Trump] has negative taste

    it’s part of his Trumpsubstantiation powers…

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    @Sinnach:

    I’ll believe it when I see it. I doubt the cavalry is coming to save us.

  37. 37.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    @Another Scott:
    That too. Keep the skeer up.

  38. 38.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 14, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    @Sinnach: Stop going to those sites.

    ETA: I see Baud beat me to it.

  39. 39.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Donnie the Puppet works for me.

    Trumpinocchio.

  40. 40.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    BTW, I got thrown in the non-moderation dungeon (post just disappeared) downstairs (in the Mulvaney post). Rather than trying a dozen times to figure out the bad word, could someone free it?

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  41. 41.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    The idea is to get under his skin.

    Well, sure.
    And I’m sure one of his kids reads this blog to him every night….
    Or maybe not.

  42. 42.

    MattF

    May 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    @Roger Moore: But it does seem that the life-lessons he learned in his reality show actually sank in. If ‘You’re fired’ works on TV, why not in the White House as well? Sounds stupid, I know, but…

  43. 43.

    Baud

    May 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    I see Trump as an Old Dudley Dursley.

  44. 44.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    @Another Scott:
    AFAIK, when the post just disappears, it just disappears. It isn’t even in the spam filter for somebody to rescue.

  45. 45.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    @Another Scott: It’s a beautiful day here too. I’m getting a lot done in the house and yard. So different when Trump’s tantrums come earlier in the week. Now if only they wouldn’t come at all… ???

  46. 46.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Not even a spoiled prince would choose that decor. It’s straight out of a Barbie movie.

    Be offended if you like. There’s more than one kind of liberal.

  47. 47.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I figure the foxes, coyotes, owls, and eagles will take care of them, given the opportunity…

    Haven’t seen the baby foxes since Friday. Saw mama, briefly, yesterday. OTOH, it’s been pouring rain.

  48. 48.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm

    @MattF:
    I don’t think so. The TV show was built around him having to fire people until just the winner remains. There’s no dynamic like that within his administration, and he doesn’t have a history of mass firings in his real business dealings. No, he just uses the threat of firing to intimidate his employees into compliance, even when it’s against their better judgment. It’s typical dictatorial behavior.

  49. 49.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm

    @Roger Moore: But Pinocchio had a loving father/creator, and Pinocchio actually learned some stuff!

    I don’t remember the details (so may be all wet), but I’m thinking more along the lines of “Fats” in the movie Magic.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  50. 50.

    Cheryl Rofer

    May 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm

    @Another Scott: I think I freed it.

  51. 51.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Trumpinocchio.

    If only. He’d need a wheelbarrow for his nose.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    Not even a spoiled prince would choose that decor.

    Clinging to sexist stereotypes is not helping you here. I assume you’ve never been to Graceland, or you just assumed it was all Priscilla’s fault.

    Be offended if you like. There’s more than one kind of liberal.

    Yep — the sexist kind, and the non-sexist kind. After what happened last year, I am no longer willing to let the sexist kind slide by without challenge.

  53. 53.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    @Roger Moore: I got the impression there were/are two different dungeons. 1) the “your post is in moderation” dungeon, 2) the (poof your post is gone with no explanation) dungeon. I’ve had posts freed from both. When they end up in #2, all the edited versions can be freed (cluttering up the thread).

    Maybe they’re really the same thing, but they act differently.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  54. 54.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 5:30 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Plus, on the TV show, it was the producers who decided who to fire, not Donald. He just read the lines.

  55. 55.

    HeleninEire

    May 14, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    @Sinnach: That’s not true. I refuse to do Fitzmas again. I will celebrate when they are all indicted and arrested and not a moment before.

  56. 56.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    @Another Scott:
    I might suggest Hairlock (from The Malazan Book of the Fallen) if I thought anyone would get the reference.

  57. 57.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    on the TV show, it was the producers who decided who to fire, not Donald.

    Do you mean to tell me :::gasp!!::: Reality TV isn’t real??!?

  58. 58.

    geg6

    May 14, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Standing right here beside you. Never saw Versailles either, I guess.

  59. 59.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: You did. Thank you!

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who needs to make a list of words that trip FYWP up if/when he figures them out over time…)

  60. 60.

    stinger

    May 14, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    @A Ghost to Most: Can you see how using “being female” as an insult might be insulting to more people than Trump?

  61. 61.

    EBT

    May 14, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Today I take a break from doing concept art because holy crap my mouse hand hurts like mad.

  62. 62.

    Baud

    May 14, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    @efgoldman: Forget TV. Most of reality isn’t real.

  63. 63.

    ruemara

    May 14, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    @geg6: Graceland or Versailles? Try even watching one ep of cribs with new to money rappers. It’s gilt and white marble everywhere. Horrible.

  64. 64.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    @Roger Moore: Sounds interesting, but Zooks, that’s a lot of words.

    :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who even has trouble with Subnormality – Comix with too many words these days.)

  65. 65.

    stinger

    May 14, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    @geg6: Standing back to back… to back!

  66. 66.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 14, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    Nixon fired people on a Saturday, whereas this happened on a Tuesday…

    only a matter of time before this is seriously used.

  67. 67.

    Nicole

    May 14, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne: You took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah, 2016 was a real life lesson for this feminist about just how many men hate women, and a lot of those men identify as liberal. Very depressing.

  68. 68.

    Baud

    May 14, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    What am I going to do with all these “Trump is a girlie girl” T-shirts I ordered?

  69. 69.

    geg6

    May 14, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    Spent most of the day not thinking about the monster in the White House. Spent quality time with my pups, cleaned most of the main rooms of the house, got some laundry done, went grocery shopping and stopped by my sister’s for a visit. All in all, a productive day.

    Gotta start planning our road trip, with the dogs, to Bradenton to see the new granddaughter. We’re a month out and all I’ve done is make the hotel reservations. Gotta get the dogs to the vet, see if he has something to chill Lovey out for the car ride, get a collapsible kennel for her and get some gifts for the baby now that I know the sex. This is going to be a hellish ride, I fear. Plus, I really am not a fan of Florida, especially in the summer. At least the hotel seems nice. It’s on Anna Maria Island. Has a nice pool and a private beach and every room (or actually, suite) has a kitchenette with h all the necessary appliances and nice bathrooms. We are poolside. The best part is they only have 15 rooms, so cozy. Got what I thought was a deal at $215/night with an extra $50 for the dogs for the whole stay.

  70. 70.

    ruemara

    May 14, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    @Baud: Sell it on eBay. Lord knows, it will sell.

  71. 71.

    GregB

    May 14, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    Trump poll rating from NBC and the font of left wing fake news Wall Street Journal.

    Approval ratings.

    GOP healthcare bill: 23%
    Firing Comey: 29%
    Trump job performance: 39%

  72. 72.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Who needs to make a list of words that trip FYWP up

    It’s not FYWP; at some point in the deep dark past, some site admin gave FYWP the instructions, or flipped a switch, or something. FYWP at other sites does not have the same restrictions

  73. 73.

    efgoldman

    May 14, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    @Baud:

    Most of reality isn’t real.

    I keep wishing; doesn’t work very well

  74. 74.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Who needs to make a list of words that trip FYWP up if/when he figures them out over time

    IIRC, the names of some banned people cause instant blockage.

  75. 75.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 14, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    @Roger Moore: Except Trump never had to deal with the kind of challange to his Authoriton that he is getting now. It’s pretty clear Trump wants to punish the press but he can’t, so he attacks his staff as a surrogate. A bit like Hitler starting the death camps to kill the Jews to punish the US for entering WWII.

  76. 76.

    Ruckus

    May 14, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    @geg6:
    This.
    No matter how much we try to not use words in a way that strikes at some segment of humans, our history is filled with examples and general usage that does exactly that. It’s a tough habit to break but one that would make this world better.

  77. 77.

    CZanne

    May 14, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    @geg6: Seriously. History is littered with more spoiled princes than anyone credits. Start with every single one of Henry II’s monsters and nearly everyone ever called Dauphin who made it past puberty, and just keep moving forward. Spanish and HRE Hapsburgs. The best that can be said for most princes is they were amiable wastrels without much self-discipline. The worst were genocidal maniacs who turned everything they saw into a battlefield.

    Princesses, on the other hand, were mostly hostages to their birth and marriage families, and their entire existence often depended on not pissing someone off. And that someone could change with little warning, depending on what epidemic, war or religion was in control of her personal body at any specific moment. Calling Stockholm Syndrome and diplomacy spoiled insults the scraps of agency those women managed to wrangle for themselves.

  78. 78.

    Jeffro

    May 14, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    Looks like Trumpov is getting ready to fire a whole bunch of people…

  79. 79.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    @Roger Moore: Yeah, but I think Adam tried to fix some of those (a few months back). Nothing about the post looks obviously bad to me, but I know there are some seemingly common words that I use too often that trip it up.

    I understand the need to stop spam, but this “solution” just seems to waste too many people’s time (especially the front pagers). There has to be a better way (put it on the users, but give them the tools to fix it. A preview that underlines verboten words would seem to be a workable solution (and won’t help spammers much)).

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who isn’t complaining much about this wonderful free site, believe it or not!)

  80. 80.

    Central Planning

    May 14, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @efgoldman:

    It’s not FYWP

    Everything is FYWP

  81. 81.

    Montanareddog

    May 14, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @MattF:

    A chatterbox, absolutely nonstop

    My wife’s cousin stayed with us for awhile. I remember once her description of the 10 minute walk from the railway station to the house took 25 minutes

  82. 82.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    May 14, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @efgoldman: It’s as true as wrestling.

  83. 83.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    Since I’m side-eying everyone in this thread already, blog favorite Luvvie Ajayi’s book I’m Judging You is only $2.99 for the Kindle edition today. And I even remembered to use Cole’s Amazon affiliate link so he’ll get 2 or 3 pennies per sale.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @CZanne:

    Princeling Manbaby.

    Problem solved. :-)

  85. 85.

    aimai

    May 14, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yes, I agree.

  86. 86.

    aimai

    May 14, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @A Ghost to Most: How do you “act black or jewish?” Asking for a friend.

  87. 87.

    CZanne

    May 14, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I like that one. I call him Joffrey in my head most of the time.

  88. 88.

    A Ghost To Most

    May 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    I really don’t care what you think. I asked my gay son, and he thinks it’s hilarious.

    Go police someone else’s language.
    And for the record, I hate musicals and romance novels.

  89. 89.

    Chet Murthy

    May 14, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Got a new idea:

    Putin-Fluffer. Indeed, we can use this for all his flaccid horde. E.g.

    President* Putin-Fluffer
    VP Putin-Fluffer
    Kellyanne Putin-Fluffer

    etc

  90. 90.

    Roger Moore

    May 14, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @aimai:

    How do you “act black or jewish?”

    I think acting black would involve being discriminated against by law enforcement. Acting Jewish would mean keeping kosher, attending Temple, wearing a yarmulke, etc.

  91. 91.

    ruemara

    May 14, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: She’s earned some side-eyeing herself for certain comments on who’s black or not. That being said, I find her hilarious.

  92. 92.

    Haroldo

    May 14, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Mart: I am pleased you know the work of Olu
    Dara. A stunning cornet player, as I’m sure you know.

  93. 93.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    @ruemara:

    She’s earned some side-eyeing herself for certain comments on who’s black or not.

    I saw some of that on Facebook, but kept my mouth shut. She did make a public and apparently sincere apology for it, though, once she realized she was stupidly digging in and not listening to what people were trying to tell her.

  94. 94.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I asked my gay son, and he thinks it’s hilarious.

    Would he think it was equally hilarious if you called Trump “Faggot Donald” since his tastes are so very girly?

    (ETA: Fixed pronoun agreement)

    And for the record, I hate musicals and romance novels.

    No one says you have to. But we’d like it if you would stop using sexist language and not pretend that it’s not sexist when you get called on it.

  95. 95.

    ruemara

    May 14, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    @aimai: I listen to a lot of death metal and cook french. There’s also the kickboxing. It’s ridiculous how black acting I am.

    @Mnemosyne: Everyone has an occurrence of hoof in mouth disease.

  96. 96.

    A Ghost To Most

    May 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Being a racist and anti-Semite all his life might be a clue, but that doesn’t matter to language police.

    You don’t speak for me, and you don’t get to censor my speech. Don’t like it, don’t say it.

    No wonder the wingers think we’re all a bunch of whingers.

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Being a racist and anti-Semite all his life might be a clue, but that doesn’t matter to language police.

    So why not call him “N*gger Don”? After all, since he’s a racist, being called a Black man would be very upsetting to him, and there would be no reason for any Black people to get upset because you’d only be saying it to upset Trump.

    You don’t speak for me, and you don’t get to censor my speech. Don’t like it, don’t say it.

    Free speech works both ways. You can say what you want, but you can’t expect other people to not tell you when they’re offended by what you said. It’s a two-way street.

    Go ahead and say sexist shit all day long, but don’t expect to not have women push back for saying it.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @ruemara:

    Everyone has an occurrence of hoof in mouth disease.

    I still cringe at the many personal occurrences of just that in the past, and not nearly as far in the past as I’d like. But I’d still rather have people tell me I just said a stupid or shitty or unconsciously racist/sexist/homophobic/etc thing so I can avoid saying it again in the future rather than whine that I can say shitty things if I want to and nobody is the boss of me.

  99. 99.

    Mohagan

    May 14, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @cmorenc: I assume you’re being ironic, mentioning Buchanan, since he was the last president before Lincoln and the Civil War :-(

  100. 100.

    A Ghost To Most

    May 14, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    You added the homosexual part, not me. I referred to Barbie; you inferred Liberace. Your problem, not mine. I said princess, you said faggot. My son is an inspiration; you are language police.

    I’m doin’ it wrong. That’s ok; I can live with the guilt.

  101. 101.

    Marshall Eubanks

    May 14, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    I have always l loved this poem, written in a time and place that seemed like the actual end of the world, which seems appropriate here. (This is the 3rd of 4 stanzas.)

    A Song on the End of the World
    (Czeslaw Milosz)

    And those who expected lightning and thunder
    Are disappointed.
    And those who expected signs and archangels’ trumps
    Do not believe it is happening now.
    As long as the sun and the moon are above,
    As long as the bumblebee visits a rose,
    As long as rosy infants are born
    No one believes it is happening now.

    Warsaw, 1944

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    You added the homosexual part, not me.

    Yes, because calling a man a “princess” has absolutely no connotations of homosexuality. What?

    I said princess, you said faggot.

    And you still can’t figure out why I’m using these comparisons, can you? You really have no clue at all that women might find it as offensive for you to call Trump a “princess” as a gay man might if you called Trump a “faggot.” Even though multiple women on this very thread have said they think it’s a sexist thing to say.

  103. 103.

    A Ghost To Most

    May 14, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Jesus, you are one self-righteous prig.

  104. 104.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I try not to be a racist or sexist or homophobic asshole, especially when people tell me I just said something they didn’t like. Obviously, you feel there’s no point in thinking about other people’s feelings if it means you can’t say whatever you want whenever you want no matter what other people think.

    That’s fine. If you’re really the sexist asshole that you’re coming across as here, then you be you. If you’re not, maybe you should climb off your high horse for 5 minutes and actually pay attention to what I’m saying.

  105. 105.

    Captain C

    May 14, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @geg6: How about Spoiled Princeling, to emphasize his pettiness and puppet strings?

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    May 14, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @Captain C:

    I still love the “Manbaby” part. That’s why I’m liking Pampered Prince Manbaby or Princeling Manbaby.

  107. 107.

    Captain C

    May 14, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @Baud: Maybe a splinch-up of Crabbe and Goyle.

  108. 108.

    Captain C

    May 14, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Manbaby is definitely a necessary part of the equation.

  109. 109.

    No One You Know

    May 14, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    I’d just like to quietly offer an appreciation that the discussion of sexist language was fairly civil and thoughtful.

    One thing I didn’t see noted above, unless I missed it: almost every example of foul language or vulgar put-down in English is gender-specific.

  110. 110.

    A Ghost to Most

    May 14, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Oh bullshit, you’ve painted a picture in your mind, and you’ve had a grudge against me since I complained about BLM shouting Wilmer down early in the campaign.

    You have attached your own biases to what I say.
    I don’t call gay men princesses, but apparently your brain is wired to think I I do. Gay men are braver than most straight men.

    My gay son is also on the Aspergers spectrum, and has just graduated from college. He is much wiser than you. He would laugh to hear you call me sexist. Crazy for sure. I grew up immersed in the same highly racist and gun-crazed environment of WNY that produced Tim McVeigh. But it didn’t take on me, probably because I was also an Aspie. I had to figure it all out by myself in the military. I was the only white guy in my barracks with a black roommate. I dated a black girl briefly, but both decided it was too dangerous in that situation.
    The first​ girl I ever kissed at 5 years old was a black neighbor, and my family used it against me for years.

    So maybe I’m not pure enough for you, and I may offend your ear, but you should be thankful that people like me have climbed out of the racist ammosexual muck to become your ally, and not another McVeigh. My brother lacks only the gumption.

  111. 111.

    The Lodger

    May 14, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @Captain C: Outside of a Lois McMaster Bujold novel, it’s hard to find a princeling who isn’t spoiled. My vote is for Princeling Manbaby.

  112. 112.

    henqiguai

    May 14, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @Mnemosyne(#102):

    @A Ghost To Most:

    You added the homosexual part, not me.

    Yes, because calling a man a “princess” has absolutely no connotations of homosexuality. What?

    Was sort of interesting watching you two go at each other. Not taking sides in what appears to be a bit of ongoing ill-feelings, but sort of in support of Ghost’s position, I think the word you’re missing, Mnem, is “emasculating”. At least, that was the concept that immediately popped into my head when y’all’s little tet-a-tet kicked in. And most uses of “emasculate” I’ve seen have been fairly free of sexual connotation; at least, as far as implying the targeted emasculated male was gay. Neutered, diminished, made weak and ineffective; but sadly, in American English usage, I guess that can still have a sexual connotation.

  113. 113.

    Lurking Canadian

    May 14, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    @The Lodger: Margrave Manbaby or Marquess Manbaby work too, and have the pleasant alliteration!

  114. 114.

    SectionH

    May 14, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Thanks for that! Now I have to throw some money at Cole, because I was so excited to buy the book I rushed off and did. ‘s OK, Cole will do better this way.

    @Mnemosyne: aaannd, I’d have suggested Princeling except I was sure someone downthread would. And so you did. Perfect.

  115. 115.

    Another Scott

    May 14, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @No One You Know: A friend of mine tried to get his older son to use “bucket-head!” as an all-purpose insult/put-down when said son was a tiny lad. I liked it, but I don’t think it “took” with him.

    More’s the pity!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  116. 116.

    SectionH

    May 14, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @Captain C: And Manbaby, definitely.

  117. 117.

    LesGS

    May 14, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Humperdinck!!! Humperdinck!!!

  118. 118.

    Feebog

    May 14, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    The fact you won’t acknowledge Mnemosyne’s point says it all. Some of my best friends are black, gay, Jewish (fill in the blank) does not cut it as an argument.

  119. 119.

    pk

    May 15, 2017 at 1:01 am

    @Marshall Eubanks: Lovely poem.

  120. 120.

    A Ghost To Most

    May 15, 2017 at 8:56 am

    @Feebog: I have no more respect for left-wing authoritarians than I do for right-wing authoritarians,

  121. 121.

    lethargytartare

    May 15, 2017 at 9:13 am

    @A Ghost To Most:

    @Feebog: I have no respect for anyone’s feelings but my own

    ftfy

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