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You are here: Home / Elections / Biden For President / Monday Morning Open Thread: Vote (D) If You Want to Live

Monday Morning Open Thread: Vote (D) If You Want to Live

by Anne Laurie|  June 22, 20206:07 am| 131 Comments

This post is in: Biden For President, Election 2020, NANCY SMASH!, Open Threads

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Nancy Pelosi’s social media team is good!

6200. That could have been a Zoom meeting.

Same energy, minus the #coronavirus risk. https://t.co/Ozh77k6ixF

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) June 22, 2020

But he can’t sell teeshirts on zoom

— Molly Jong-Fast?? (@MollyJongFast) June 22, 2020

History…

Monday marks the 30th anniversary of the removal of the Checkpoint Charlie border crossing between the communist East and capitalist West Berlin during the Cold War, the site of daring escapes, spy swaps and an armed stand-off https://t.co/iiGhBVOfJ7 pic.twitter.com/rVh2ChNvrR

— AFP news agency (@AFP) June 22, 2020

Thomas Jefferson
1743 – 1826

Harriet Tubman
1822 – 1913

Ronald Reagan
1911 – 2004

History was not so very long ago.

— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) June 21, 2020

Speaking of voting:

Folks credit me for speaking out on marriage equality in 2012 — but I'm not the one who took a real risk. Countless others did the hard work and paid a price just for being themselves. Christian Cooper and I discussed the trailblazers who came before us and the work that remains: pic.twitter.com/bEPmsRgZDo

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) June 20, 2020

A. Peter is one of the smartest people on Twitter; if you don’t already you should follow him

B. He should write more

C. This tweet is correct

D. It means that it will likely bore most political reporters, so to amuse themselves they’re going to write a lot of stupid pieces https://t.co/URHT0pDsT6

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) June 21, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Rusty

    June 22, 2020 at 6:14 am

    At some point I came to the realization that if a policy had a death toll, it was almost always the Republican position.  Now we have reached the point where even Republican campaigning has a death toll.  Progress!!

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:21 am

    I’m too nervous about too many people’s sense of personal privilege to start talking about a landslide.

    We’re in a good position. Keep focused on the fundamentals, and the rest will take care of itself.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:22 am

    @Rusty: Truth in advertising?

  4. 4.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 6:25 am

    @Baud:

    I’m too nervous about too many people’s sense of personal privilege to start talking about a landslide.

    That, and voter suppression — both COVID-19-abetted and otherwise.

  5. 5.

    JPL

    June 22, 2020 at 6:31 am

    @SFAW:  I expect that republicans will try to close a lot of polls on election day in minority areas, and then blame the virus.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:34 am

    @SFAW:

    True. But the GOP is going to try to suppress votes regardless of what our predictions are.  My concern is how our potential voters will react if a landslide prediction becomes conventional wisdom.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:36 am

    Most understated headline ever.

    Vladimir Putin strongly hints he will run again for president

  8. 8.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:38 am

    If Bolton were actually being honest, he would have given the book its right title: “The Room where it happened — and where I stood by.” As excerpts from the have book dripped out over the last few days and Bolton began his media spree to hype up the book, he left out one key theme: His own complicity.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 6:40 am

    Kamala Harris Is Seen As The Clear Front-Runner To Be Joe Biden’s Running Mate

  10. 10.

    Barbara

    June 22, 2020 at 6:47 am

    @SFAW:You are both right.

    Looking at the “optimistic” map,  I wonder what Utah is thinking.  We have been justly scorning Evangelicals for a while, but the reputation for personal rectitude among Mormons seems to be largely undeserved as well.

  11. 11.

    WereBear

    June 22, 2020 at 6:56 am

    I LOVE the post title, Anne Laurie!

    On which theme, I cannot understand the sloooooooow shift in the polls at this point. So you’re on the nightclub floor, the red dot is dancing in your vision as it settles on a vital spot, dancers have gone down like string-cut puppets, and you still look at Michael Beihn’s hand and argue with him?

    My only conclusion is that too many Americans are still so freakin’ privileged even the reality of a global pandemic make only tiny dents in their plans for the summer… they’ve been looking forward to the beeeeach and their haaaaaaair is a mess and how can they get a new swimsuit online without seeing how their hips look in it?

    The survival instinct itself has been smothered under the weight of propaganda.

  12. 12.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2020 at 6:59 am

    The WaPo has a story up today about how trumpov rally goers explain Black Lives Matter protests to their children.  Yes, really.  It starts off with a trumpista telling his granddaughter that BLM is wrong to be violent, oh and also even when they aren’t violent, they’re wrong.

    A day or two ago, WaPo had a story up about the fortunes of an Alabama store owner, whose primary business was selling variations of the Confederate flag.

    I get that there’s an almost anthropological fascination, but these folks are not some long-lost Amazonian tribe here, Post.  They’re the folks who have been represented and over-represented for oh, a couple hundred years already.  They’ve held the mic, so to speak, the whole time.

    Enough of these variations on ‘Midwestern dinerus bloviatus’. I’d like to see some other exhibits in the museum of American political movements, please.

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 22, 2020 at 7:00 am

    Hitting trump where it hurts:

    The Lincoln Project@ProjectLincoln
    .@realDonaldTrump
    , your rally in Tulsa was a flop. You’ve probably heard this before, but it was smaller than we expected — and it sure wasn’t as big as you promised.

    A new ad.

  14. 14.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 7:01 am

    On last night’s TV news, I kept seeing teases about something controsversial coming out of NASCAR today, but kept missing what it was. This is what it was:

    A noose was found on Sunday in the racetrack garage stall of African-American NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace, race officials said.

    Someone elsewhere noted that one thing is clear… given the security (including cameras) in those garages, whoever did this will be caught.

  15. 15.

    Cameron

    June 22, 2020 at 7:10 am

    @Baud: Yes, I can picture it now, him standing in front a cheering State Duma, going full Sally Field: “They like me!  They really like me!”

  16. 16.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 7:12 am

    @JPL:

    I expect that republicans will try to close a lot of polls on election day in minority areas, and then blame the virus leprechauns, the phase of the moon, and Obama/Hitlary.

    Because it’s how they roll.

  17. 17.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2020 at 7:16 am

    I just keep thinking that Biden will be well in the lead in the polls all the way up to Election Day, then Trump will mysteriously win by a hair-thin margin in a few states where the polls were way off and there will be no good explanation why, and people who try to investigate will start “jumping out of windows” and “hanging themselves from trees”, and that will be that.

  18. 18.

    WereBear

    June 22, 2020 at 7:24 am

    @Matt McIrvin: I’m sure that’s being discussed in the White House as we speak.

  19. 19.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 7:27 am

    @Rusty:

    I listened to a doctor being interviewed on the BBC overnight. She contended that the Coronavirus death toll was greatly exaggerated because lots of the people would be expected to die anyway. Not only will there be a death toll, it will be “budgeted” in.

    Who knew the GOP had infiltrated England? //

  20. 20.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 7:27 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    in a few states where the polls were way off and there will be no good explanation why,

    Outside of the standard “Hillary Biden took Wisconsin (et al.) for granted,” that is.

  21. 21.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 7:28 am

    @Baud:

    My nervousness won’t end until I see a hand on a Bible.

  22. 22.

    satby

    June 22, 2020 at 7:30 am

    @Matt McIrvin: you can see the BLM protests and think that if your scenario happens people will just shrug? Doubtful.

  23. 23.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @debbie:

    My nervousness won’t end until I see a hand on a Bible.

    I was going to attempt a comment about it being the Traitor-in-Chief’s hand, but realized his hand is so small, it wouldn’t be visible to the unaided eye, so you got that covered.

  24. 24.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @Jeffro:

    Huh. How did they handle that noose that was found yesterday before a big race?

  25. 25.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 7:32 am

    @Barbara: LDS are not Evangelicals. They’re small-c conservatives and do not like Donald Trump. E.g., Mitt Romney.

  26. 26.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2020 at 7:33 am

    @debbie: ??  No idea.

  27. 27.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 7:34 am

    @JWR:

    The noose was the worst (and it had to come from someone inside NASCAR0, but there was also a plane flying a huge Confederate flag over the field with a sign demanding that NASCAR be defunded.

  28. 28.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2020 at 7:35 am

    @debbie: It rained so the race was postponed until today. At least that was the TV announcement. (Mr DAW is a racing fan. He used to do SCCA racing as a hobby. What can I say? He’s an automotive engineer.)

  29. 29.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 7:41 am

    The Beast has awakened up!

    @realDonaldTrump

    RIGGED 2020 ELECTION: MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WILL BE PRINTED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND OTHERS. IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!
    4:16 AM · Jun 22, 2020

    Shorter Trump: I’m gonna lose, big time.

  30. 30.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @JWR: He has no idea how voting works in this country–who runs it, who counts the ballots.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @JWR:

    Shorter Trump: Even Putin is too embarrassed to rig this election for me.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @debbie:

    I hope Biden uses the Bible Trump held upside down in that photo op.

  33. 33.

    hueyplong

    June 22, 2020 at 7:45 am

    No Biden or Democratic outfit could have made a single one of the Project Lincoln ads.  Those guys do as they please, and then they brag about it. Sometimes they brag about it before they do it, just for the fun of terrorizing the partially ambulatory fecal mound.

    It’s difficult to find instances of the Lincoln people being accused of incivility, being told they’ve gone too far, or being called out by GOP office holders.

    They are doing everything we’d like to do but can’t, and they’re doing it without any backlash of any kind against Biden (or even expenditure by his campaign).

    In truth, it’s at least partially mitigating the effects of foreign attacks on our election, which is pretty important. It feels weird to cheer on one of the execrable destroyers of Max Cleland, but it’s 2020 and the normal world does not exist.

  34. 34.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @JWR: Four AM wakeup means he didn’t take enough Ambien.

  35. 35.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 7:46 am

    @Baud:

    Insurance wouldn’t cover that, I’m sure. //

  36. 36.

    sanjeevs

    June 22, 2020 at 7:47 am

    Flicking through the Bolton book (since it’s free)

    1. It’s tough going. 570 pages.
    2. Bolton is insufferable. Despised Obama, Democrats, civil servants, all the Trump team, Trump etc

    3 . If he reflected at all on his Iraq fiasco I missed it.

    4. Bolton describes over and over how Trump advances Putin’s interests but refuses to state the obvious conclusion.

    5. Someone powerful really, really wanted Bolton In the administration. He was interviewed by the transition team and at several other points before he was eventually chosen as Trump’s third NSA chief. It has to be someone Trump listens to but not Putin . My guess is Murdoch or Netanyahu

  37. 37.

    hueyplong

    June 22, 2020 at 7:51 am

    @sanjeevs: Snark-free, I thank you for your sacrifice.

    Your two guesses don’t seem unreasonable.

  38. 38.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 7:58 am

    @sanjeevs: Trump will go down as one of the most ignorant people — not just presidents, but people — in American history.  That said, there are two positive things I can say about him:

    • He was smart enough to know (at least so far) that another neocon war of choice would be politically unpopular.
    • He was smart enough to recognize — even when a lot of liberals and progressives didn’t — that Biden would be his most dangerous opponent in 2020.
  39. 39.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    @Baud:

    He’s also touting an interview Barr gave to Breitbart, where Barr allegedly said what Trump’s been saying about mail-in ballots, which only confirms just how far Barr’s willing to go in service of, who? Leonard Leo? Trump’s A**?

  40. 40.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @JWR:

    Shorter Trump: I’m gonna lose, big time.

    More likely: the “fraudulent voting by mail” is a “tell” for what his campaign will do (or try to do).

  41. 41.

    p.a.

    June 22, 2020 at 8:04 am

    @Jeffro: Yep.  You can always expose these people by then asking, “well what form of protest WOULD be ok with you?”  Only legit protests are white people 2nd Amendment protests.

  42. 42.

    danielx

    June 22, 2020 at 8:04 am

    @JWR:

    Ooh, in all caps too! The shitgibbon is trying to get his mojo working again.

    But it just don’t work on me.

  43. 43.

    TS (the original)

    June 22, 2020 at 8:04 am

    @debbie:

    This is all – and more than sufficient – of what I know about NASCAR & racism

    Michelle Obama and Jill Biden booed at NASCAR race

    Michelle Obama and Jill Biden were booed by NASCAR fans at a Miami racetrack on Saturday.  The first and second ladies appeared at the Sprint Cup, the final race of NASCAR’s season, to promote their Joining Forces program, which supports U.S. military troops and their familes.

    I doubt much has changed.

  44. 44.

    hueyplong

    June 22, 2020 at 8:07 am

    @Baud: Don’t give trump too much credit for recognizing Biden as a strong opponent.  He might have attacked him purely based on his connection to the Dark (Kenyan) Prince, Obama.

    It’s always a decent guess to find Obama’s crack about agonizing over whether to fire Gary Busey at the core of whatever trump action we’re talking about.

  45. 45.

    evodevo

    June 22, 2020 at 8:12 am

    @Barbara: It’s complicated….Mormons are right winger business types to the max…anything’s fair in business dealings.  They are also social conservatives, with a strong family ethic, but a lot of them remember their church history where they were a persecuted minority (which is why they ended up forming a theocratic state in the Utah territory). On the other hand, their theology relegated blacks and Indians to a subordinate status (only just officially repealing the remnants of discriminatory policies in 1978), and there is still endemic racism there.  They are very clannish, and not friendly to outsiders.  They are about as hypocritical as your average uptight right-leaning evangelical, but maybe not as bad as a Southern Baptist lol –

  46. 46.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:13 am

    @Baud: As to your second bullet point: Do you really think it was Trump who figured it would be Biden? I have my doubts about that. If he really did think that, it probably had more to do with Biden being his first big name opponent, and he just never let go of that “thought”, it having found a working neuron in his animal brain upon which to rest.

  47. 47.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 8:15 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  48. 48.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 8:21 am

    @hueyplong: Tend to agree with this. Biden’s an empathic white guy who was happy to be Obama’s VP. Obviously weak and a loser.

  49. 49.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @JWR: I haz questions, mr. president*:

    1. Did a foreign country print up all those mail-in ballots that YOU’VE used over the years?
    2. We’re more than happy to let you show us, Nov 4th, exactly which ballots were foreign-printed and mailed in.  Take a look at them.  All of them.  Let us know which ones you want to contest…no rush…

    Also, national snooze media, please beat on GOP officials and ask them what they think of this and related trumpov comments about mail-in ballots, the legitimacy of the election, etc etc.  Get them on the record, please.  We’ll need those quotes in a few months.

  50. 50.

    Just One More Canuck

    June 22, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @JWR: Foreign countries, and others? What the hell does that mean?

  51. 51.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @debbie:

    there was also a plane flying a huge Confederate flag over the field with a sign demanding that NASCAR be defunded.

    I saw that, and at first, seeing the Defund message, following the Confederate flag, I took it to be a weird way to protest. But then my shorted out brain figured it out, and even then, it struck me as a very weird sort of (mixed?) message.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    June 22, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Oh and snooze media, while you’re at it, perhaps some reporting on the whole process of mail-in voting: how it works, where the ‘checks’ and verifications are, how little fraud there’s been over the years, the participation rates in states that have been doing it for years, the fact that there’s no evidence that it benefits one party over another, etc etc.  Plenty of good angles here!  Once you’re done talking with trumpov rally attendees about how they “explain” Black Lives Matter protests to their kids, that is (eyeroll).

  54. 54.

    sanjeevs

    June 22, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Matt Schlapp is having a rough morning

    mobile.twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1275032567092305928

  55. 55.

    Baud

    June 22, 2020 at 8:26 am

    @hueyplong:

    @JWR:

    I’m obviously not going to attempt to put myself into Trump’s brain. I just know he committed impeachable offenses very early on in the process to try to discredit Biden.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 8:26 am

    @hueyplong:

    You are correct..Dems would be accused of incivility, as if that’s the worst thing in the world ??

  57. 57.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @Just One More Canuck: Sparce Farce has located the aliens?

  58. 58.

    evodevo

    June 22, 2020 at 8:31 am

    @p.a.: I grew up in the Fifties in a beige middle class Eisenhower Republican family, and when all the Sixties stuff started, the consensus was that it was too noisy, and “they” needed to be patient (as if waiting 100 years didn’t constitute patience), as desegregation was “hard” and a slow process.  My parents weren’t overtly racist, but “tone” and “rudeness” were the main concerns, not racial justice…very “both sides”.  David Brooks and the Villagers would exemplify their political position…we would still be only slightly beyond that point if the “noisy” demonstrations of the Sixties hadn’t happened…and we would probably have been in Vietnam for another ten or twenty years…

  59. 59.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2020 at 8:32 am

    Some fool of FOX broadcaster (Bobby something) said there were rumors that fans of the “group K-Pop” wrecked Trump’s ticket sales. Mockery is being heaped upon him.

  60. 60.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Baud: Also strongly hints he’ll win 97% of the vote. ? ?

  61. 61.

    germy

    June 22, 2020 at 8:32 am

    Today I released my first campaign ad. It was produced by my kids. Let me know if you like it.t.co/OeXvghcnGv pic.twitter.com/CuFKMzdrZB

    — Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) June 21, 2020

  62. 62.

    hueyplong

    June 22, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Baud: No argument there.

    Another thing we might idly speculate about is the extent to which Trump’s ham-fisted attacked elevated Biden and helped make him the nominee.

  63. 63.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:33 am

    @Jeffro: Mail-in balloting has always seemed to me to be the way to go, if you’re after accuracy, that is.

  64. 64.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:34 am

    @Baud: You’ve got a point there.

  65. 65.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 8:39 am

    @germy:

    ?????

  66. 66.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 8:42 am

    @Baud:

    I just know he committed impeachable offenses very early on in the process to try to discredit Biden.

    I think that’s because Biden was the unofficial/likely front runner at that point, much the way Hillary was in 2013.

  67. 67.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2020 at 8:43 am

    Oh for fuck’s sake. This Soviet shitpile mobster conman is fucking deranged.

    So is this his plan? pic.twitter.com/OW3AbHpkYn— Hillary Warned Us (@HillaryWarnedUs) June 22, 2020

  68. 68.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2020 at 8:45 am

    @JWR: Maybe he’s telling on himself, and that’s his plan for how to win – foreign countries print millions of ballots that vote for Trump. LOL  After all, you know he can’t keep a secret.

  69. 69.

    germy

    June 22, 2020 at 8:47 am

    A Democrat win in 2020 would be a tragic setback for African Americans! @SteveHiltonx @FoxNews

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 22, 2020

  70. 70.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 8:49 am

    @Baud: My guess is that the idea of a Biden-Ukraine scandal came from Giuliani. Biden was already getting in the way of Rudy’s schemes and needed to be warned off. ‘Your son’s a nice kid. He shouldn’t have gotten mixed up with Burisma.’

  71. 71.

    WereBear

    June 22, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @rikyrah: I think it shows how deeply the Automatic Republican Respect has been embedded in the media. And should be ripped out and sent to the sun’s surface.

  72. 72.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @mrmoshpotato: He can smell a huuge loser from months away. ;)

  73. 73.

    Tenar Arha

    June 22, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @debbie: That’s the laissez-faire  version of eugenics, “they would have died anyway.”

    Periodically after WWII we should have killed eugenics with metaphorical fire & then salted the earth.

  74. 74.

    Anya

    June 22, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @Baud: Absolutely agree. We should stay clear of that word. We need to work like we’re behind and aim for 270 electoral votes. Trump and his daddy Vlad will do everything they can to cheat. We can’t afford to be complacent with talk of landslide and other unnecessary bs.

  75. 75.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2020 at 8:56 am

    @Soprano2: Antarctica For Dump!

    “Penguins love me, you losers!”

  76. 76.

    Anya

    June 22, 2020 at 8:59 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: This is so low. But since it’s republican on republican skeeviness, I’ll allow it.

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 22, 2020 at 9:00 am

    Warning – picture of Dump.

    But savagely hilarious tweet.

    He looks like he needs a free bowl of soup. pic.twitter.com/LPUHDbAhr2— Hillary Warned Us (@HillaryWarnedUs) June 21, 2020

  78. 78.

    Jinchi

    June 22, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @Baud: He was smart enough to recognize — even when a lot of liberals and progressives didn’t — that Biden would be his most dangerous opponent in 2020.

    Trump attacked any potential rival as they rose in the polls and Biden started at the top of the polls, even before he announced his run for office. The Trump campaign just as quickly went after Warren and Buttigieg with bigoted, racist and sexist attacks when they surged.

    The only exception to that rule was Bernie. Republicans wanted to run against a self-identified socialist.

    With the possible exception of Sanders, any of the major Democratic candidates would be sitting in the same polling position against Trump today. This is not an election about the strength of Joe Biden. It’s all about Trump.

  79. 79.

    Barbara

    June 22, 2020 at 9:07 am

    @MattF: Did you look at the map? Like him or not they’re mostly guaranteed to vote for him.  Isn’t that more indicative of character? Not that anyone should overly generalize about all members of any group, but something keeps them on Trump’s side.

  80. 80.

    montanareddog

    June 22, 2020 at 9:10 am

    @debbie: At the risk of upsetting some people, the science of doctoring is real hard. And, sometimes, that comes at the expense of the EQ side. Too many doctors look at patients as scientific issues to be addressed, and either solved or written off.

    Full disclosure: spouse is one of the more empathic types of doctor and is frequently appalled by the attitudes of some of her colleagues.

  81. 81.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 22, 2020 at 9:12 am

    @montanareddog:

    My brother was a nurse before he became an MD and he always claimed that made him a much better doctor.

  82. 82.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 22, 2020 at 9:13 am

    @JWR:

     

    I saw that, and at first, seeing the Defund message, following the Confederate flag, I took it to be a weird way to protest. But then my shorted out brain figured it out, and even then, it struck me as a very weird sort of (mixed?) message.

    Perfect example of how messaging can be crystal clear to one set of people and opaque to another set. See, you’re using way, way too much of your little gray cells on this. Think of how a small, angry child would put together two “ideas.” The flag is flown in defiance: “See? You’re not the boss uh me! I can fly muh flag in God’s free air* an’ yoo cain’t stop me!” The “Defund” message is a complete lack of understanding about what the “Defund the Police” movement is all about, but basically they want the owners of NASCAR to not profit. Again, no clue as to how the world of bidness works (NASCAR would simply vanish if the owners stopped making money), but you go to war with the morons you have, not the morons you wish you had.

    All said, their bitter tears of longing and disappointment add to my beautiful Monday morning, where I’m still grinning over Trump Tanking in Tulsa.

    *I wonder if TFRs (temporary flight restriction) areas are still in place for outdoor events like NASCAR races. Probably not, since there are no spectators. Still, might be fun to find out if the pilot flying the loser flag busted a TFR.

  83. 83.

    Jinchi

    June 22, 2020 at 9:15 am

    @JWR: Do you really think it was Trump who figured it would be Biden?

    All you have to do is look at this chart to figure out why Trump was fixated on Biden. It wasn’t any unique insight. He just targeted the frontrunner.

    realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

  84. 84.

    montanareddog

    June 22, 2020 at 9:17 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: That, I can believe (that it made him a better doctor, not that he said it!)

  85. 85.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 9:17 am

    @Anya:

    We should work for ALL paths to 270.

    Leave no path behind.?

  86. 86.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2020 at 9:17 am

    @Jeffro: The BBC loves stories like that about American voters.  One of their reporters was in Wyoming or Montana last week presenting a story about how the rural people are still with Donnie.

    All 3 of them.

    Beautiful videography and some kinda interesting comments.

    But no context at all that they aren’t America any more (and haven’t been for, oh, I dunno, maybe 200 years?).  The vast majority of America lives in cities and suburbs near a coast – half the population lives in 9 states on the great lakes or an ocean/gulf (some on both).  No pushback at all on the 60-something white guy saying that he’s the “real American” that Donnie is “finally” listening to…

    Grrr…

    When I’m benevolent despot, the conventional-wisdom schools that push this tripe will be razed and replaced by something useful.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  87. 87.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 9:17 am

    @mrmoshpotato:
    I saw that image superimposed with the words “Arthur Miller – Death Of A Salesman”, like a book jacket. It was perfect.

  88. 88.

    Just One More Canuck

    June 22, 2020 at 9:19 am

    @JWR: Biden/Marvin the Martian 2020

  89. 89.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 9:20 am

    Justin, a retired Army Ranger, explains why he left the GOP over Donald Trump:"I did five deployments in service of this nation…I've been in countries that have had authoritarian regimes. If Trump is not defeated the United States, as we know it, will never be the same." pic.twitter.com/XudW7Y1uvA— Republican Voters Against Trump (@RVAT2020) June 16, 2020

  90. 90.

    Anya

    June 22, 2020 at 9:20 am

    @Soprano2: This is my fear about the whole mailed in ballots. Trump and his corrupt AG are putting stuff out there about the unreliability of voting by mail in ballots. When every one debunks their assertions then they can say when they steal the election, “didn’t you say vote by mail was reliable?”

    I don’t trust these sleazy cheaters.

  91. 91.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 9:21 am

    @Another Scott:

    Ah…The Cletus safari

  92. 92.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @montanareddog:

    Understood.

  93. 93.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    The “Defund” message is a complete lack of understanding about what the “Defund the Police” movement is all about

    Yeah, that was where the image and the words didn’t fit. It was, as I’ve already noted, a weird sort of message. But then, I wasn’t its target.

  94. 94.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @Barbara: Agree. Just saying that having a conscience appears to be a serious burden for this set of Trump voters.

  95. 95.

    dman

    June 22, 2020 at 9:28 am

    We have a BINGO

    Look, I have no use for NASCAR. I don't care about high speed left turns at all.But dozens of rednecks driving outside Talladega with confederate flags, an airplane towing one, and a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage puts the "heritage not hate" argument to rest forever.— Bearentined Bear (@GotdamBear) June 22, 2020

  96. 96.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 9:29 am

    Trump aides determined that about 300,000 signups for his Tulsa rally were fake and concluded an audience of about 60,000 was the worst-case scenario: t.co/aMXUz55OI8— Blake News (@blakehounshell) June 22, 2020

  97. 97.

    Shalimar

    June 22, 2020 at 9:33 am

    Another reminder that history is not that long ago:

    Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, 1860-1937

    Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, Jr., 1913-1989

    Jefferson Beauregard Session, III, 1946-present

    One of our worst living white supremacists had a grandfather and namesake born before  the Civil War.

  98. 98.

    Kay

    June 22, 2020 at 9:34 am

    Josh Marshall
    @joshtpm
    ·7m
    People tend to miss these things. But the clear upshot of the weekend’s events is that the US Attorney for the District of New Jersey is corrupt. So it would be good to keep a close eye on what he is doing in his own district even if he won’t get the chance to run the SDNY.

    Good catch. That was the person Barr and Trump hand picked to obstruct investigations into Trump cronies. That didn’t work, but they did identify the person, so now we know.

  99. 99.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @dman: Yep, we have a winner, indeed! ‘Heritage not Hate’ my artsy-fartsy a**.

  100. 100.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 9:40 am

    @Kay: Not to mention SEC Chairman Clayton. According to Wikipedia, he was nominated on the day Trump was inaugurated.

  101. 101.

    AnotherBruce

    June 22, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Question, after the debacle of polling places in Wisconsin during the primary,  why doesn’t the governor have control of where and how many polling places are staged?

  102. 102.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 22, 2020 at 9:44 am

    @debbie: “What, did you think they were immortal? Everyone dies of something eventually, so why even try to prevent disease?”

    Anyone who claims that other causes of death are being misattributed somehow, or that COVID doesn’t really matter, has to deal with the massive excess rates of death from all causes in the places hit by the pandemic. If it’s not COVID, it’s something else that is just as bad.

    I guess the fallback position is to say that an extra five years of life for Grandma isn’t worth much, but these people should not be doctors.

  103. 103.

    Soprano2

    June 22, 2020 at 9:45 am

    I’m listening to Rachel’s Friday night broadcast, and I keep laughing when she talks about what the Trump campaign is planning to do with the overflow crowds. I laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and even though it’s really not a victory at all, it makes me feel good to know that repulsive person was made to feel bad by a bunch of teenagers! Tonight’s Colbert is going to be lit!

  104. 104.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 9:45 am

    @Kay: Didn’t I read somewhere that Berman resisted “resigning” until assured that his replacement would be his top aide, a woman whose name I don’t recall?

    No wait, here it is:

    Though Barr had said Friday that he would install Craig Carpenito, a person close to Barr who is now the US attorney in New Jersey, to serve as Berman’s acting replacement, the attorney general’s letter Saturday noted that “by operation of law,” Berman’s current deputy, Audrey Strauss, will become acting US attorney.

    So now what? Suppose they’re gonna fire her, too?

  105. 105.

    Another Scott

    June 22, 2020 at 9:45 am

    @hueyplong: +1

    As Adam reminds us, Putin was trying to start taking down Biden in 2014.

    Donnie will throw everything at the wall to try to get something to stick. There’s no strategery going on in what’s left of that demented brain of his.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  106. 106.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 22, 2020 at 9:52 am

    @AnotherBruce: Because elections in Wisconsin are actually administered at the local level.  And because part of the problem stemmed from the fact the primary took place during a pandemic and emergency vote by mail measures were struck down by the WI supreme court when it was too late to arrange for the usual number of polling places.

  107. 107.

    MattF

    June 22, 2020 at 9:56 am

    @JWR: Oddly enough, Senate Republicans appear to have averted that possibility. Graham and, by implication, McConnell, have decided that this time the Senate tradition that home state Senators have a say about their US Attorneys will prevail. Believe it or not.

  108. 108.

    debbie

    June 22, 2020 at 10:00 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I think it also means they’ve become too far removed from contact with patients.

  109. 109.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 10:02 am

    @MattF:

    Believe it or not.

    Well, considering it’s Lindsey Graham we’re talking about here, and given his history of posing for the cameras, I choose Not. ;)

    ETA I’ll believe it when I see it.

  110. 110.

    AnotherBruce

    June 22, 2020 at 10:11 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Thank you, so hopefully the presidential election goes smoother. Maybe.

  111. 111.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 10:13 am

    @Kay:

     

    That is true, Kay.

  112. 112.

    rikyrah

    June 22, 2020 at 10:14 am

    @JWR:

    She is not a political appointee. She is a regular staffer.

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 22, 2020 at 10:24 am

    @AnotherBruce: It should.  First of all, we now know happened in April and can plan around it. Second, there is going to be a big push for people to get absentee ballots and mail them in early.  Third, most municipal clerks in WI would prefer to be in the news for running a smooth election rather than for their citizens’ determination to vote despite the obstacles.

    I may be a pollyanna on this, but I spent a couple of years working for the state agency that oversees WI elections, and one thing I came away with was that election workers tend to take pride in their work and want elections to go well procedurally.

  114. 114.

    JWR

    June 22, 2020 at 10:28 am

    @rikyrah: Got it. Thanks. ;)

  115. 115.

    low-tech cyclist

    June 22, 2020 at 10:40 am

    Nancy Pelosi’s social media team is good!

    The occasional zippy remark won’t make up for abandoning the next 100,000 coronavirus victims to their deaths.

    And it definitely won’t make up for Democratic normalization of the Presidential dereliction of duty that has made those deaths nearly inevitable.

    Another >4000 Americans will die this week due to the coronavirus.  And the week after.  And so on.

    I’m sure the House is having hearings about this, where (if Administration officials won’t testify) they’re calling in outside experts to explain what the Trump Administration could have done, and could be doing now that it is not, to bring the coronavirus plague under control.

    Right?

    ETA: It’s one thing to root for your team.  It’s another thing to say that whatever your team does is great, that when they keep on playing that 3B who can neither hit nor field, or keep on starting that guy who can’t pitch 5 innings without getting hammered, they know what they’re doing and critics should just STFU.  Just sayin’.

  116. 116.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2020 at 10:40 am

    @JWR

    MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS WILL BE PRINTED BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES

    Name one, Donnie.

    *crickets*

  117. 117.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 10:44 am

    @NotMax:

    Name one, Donnie.

    Russia.

    Of course, the fraudulent ballots coming from there will somehow, mysteriously, be 97 percent for the Traitor-in-Chief.

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 22, 2020 at 10:45 am

    @low-tech cyclist: You complain about Democrats in Congress not doing things, and then people point out that they have passed legislation addressing the issue you were bringing up.  This happens again and again.  Somehow, I feel that you aren’t quite on the level.

  119. 119.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 10:46 am

    @low-tech cyclist:

    The occasional zippy remark won’t make up for abandoning the next 100,000 coronavirus victims to their deaths.

    Yes, if only Speaker Pelosi — instead of sitting on her hands — would force the Maladministration and the Senate to do what she wants.

  120. 120.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2020 at 10:47 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Murc’s Law

  121. 121.

    Kay

    June 22, 2020 at 10:57 am

    @rikyrah:

    Barr is so incompetent he managed to identify the specific crook and then fail to install him. Now he’s just sitting in his prior position with us all knowing he was the most corrupt they could find.

  122. 122.

    gwangung

    June 22, 2020 at 11:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Too dependent on mass media that they supposedly disdain.

  123. 123.

    J R in WV

    June 22, 2020 at 11:41 am

    @germy:

    Loved Congressman Lieu’s first ad, even if it was pretty simple. Kids, they’re great!

  124. 124.

    J R in WV

    June 22, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    @dman:

    …dozens of rednecks driving outside Talladega with confederate flags, an airplane towing one, and a noose in Bubba Wallace’s garage puts the “heritage not hate” argument to rest forever.

    Actually, just seeing a single photo of a Southern Picnic at a lynching puts the “heritage not hate” thing in its grave. Smiling people gathered proudly around a defiled corpse, Black, Jewish, or foreign of some sort, a Yankee. Southern Heritage made immortal by photography. That’s who they are.

    I will never forget the first time I actually saw Jim Crow signs down south. I was a little kid, and I didn’t understand hate then. I still don’t, not really, but I accept that some people are broken in despicable ways that allow, or even require that they hate folks.

    Then while in the Navy I was posted to Mississippi, in 1972, where they work hard to keep Jim Crow alive and well. Still today, I am sure, just from looking at census data.

  125. 125.

    daryljfontaine

    June 22, 2020 at 12:12 pm

    @rikyrah:

    We should work for ALL paths to 270.

    Work all paths to 538.

    Burn down the GOP, and salt their earth.

    D

  126. 126.

    J R in WV

    June 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm

    deleted

  127. 127.

    dopey-o

    June 22, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    @JWR: ‘…ballots will be printed by foreigners…’

    Every projection is a confession. I will be checking my ballot for a russian postmark.

  128. 128.

    Miss Bianca

    June 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Somehow, I feel that you aren’t quite on the level.

    Neither are they on the square.

  129. 129.

    Elvis Nightingale, Esq. (frmly Studly Pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn)

    June 22, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    @Baud: “He was smart enough to know (at least so far) that another neocon war of choice would be politically unpopular.”

    I wouldn’t give him that. At least, not on those terms.

    The reason he hasn’t taken us to all-out war is because he’s way too lazy to exercise the type of leadership needed during wartime. You can’t always be at war with East Asia and still get in several hours daily of watching Fox and tweeting random synaptic spasms. That’s why he did such a happy dance on Twitter when he could see a way out of escalating with Iran after Soleimani (the original killing of which still defies an rational explanation that I’m aware of).

    So, if he’s self-aware enough to realize he’d find being an actual wartime president a drag, then hats off to him, etc. =o)

  130. 130.

    Captain C

    June 22, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    @TS (the original): I’m so old I can remember when NASCAR was being hyped as the Next National Pastime.

  131. 131.

    terry chay

    June 22, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    @Baud: When news is bad, Trump will make it worse by doubling down. At a certain point the only news to report will be how big the landslide is instead of a horse race.

    The Republicans have hitched their cart to him. They can’t abandon him without losing even bigger.

    That is a realistic map by November. It might even be even better.

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