In the aftermath of Mandel tweeting this,
– The worker got sent home
– The brewery deleted its Twitter account
– The business received loads of bad attention/press & has had to do damage control
– Mandel has since trashed the business multiple timesNever seen anything like it https://t.co/PhUFoyMfPC
— Tyler Buchanan (@Tylerjoelb) August 21, 2021
Ohio Senate candidate applauds brewery worker showing up sick during a pandemic, complains that the brewery doesn’t appreciate his plaudits once everyone points out why this is a bad idea. It’s like the Platonic ideal of ‘Why you should never vote for a Republican again, ever’…
Urza
Do they not hear themselves? Even in the current insanity shouldn’t the idea of having sick servers tickle whatever’s left inside their skull as a generally bad idea even if its not Covid related.
dmsilev
The FDA is officially out of fucks to give:
debbie
Hope that bastard catches Delta.
Ohio Mom
The only thing keeping Josh Mandel from being the Jew in politics who makes me, his co-religionist, most embarrassed and ashamed is Stephen Miller.
I hope Brianne coughed, sneezed or otherwise shared her germs with him. I hope it’s not Covid because I don’t wish that on Brianne.
Kropacetic
@Urza: They really believe with a religious fervor that we should give our bodies wholly to our work with no regard for self.
dmsilev
For you and me and all sane people, yes, but for the GOP primary electorate? J.D. Vance is, as we speak, looking for waitresses who knowingly infect their customers with COVID.
dr. bloor
Can’t wait for JD Vance’s attempt to outdo this.
Gravenstone
Nothing like snuggling up for a photo op with Delta Brianne to own those libs, eh Josh? Hope your major medical and life insurance are paid up.
debbie
Urza
@dmsilev: Maybe they’re all forgetting to mix the Bleach with the Invermectin. And when that doesn’t work go for the trifecta with Hydroxychloroquine as well.
debbie
@Ohio Mom:
It’s neck and neck for me.
Suzanne
@Kropacetic:
Fuck these people. If we died, they might step over our corpses.
This year has really radicalized me.
Gin & Tonic
Is that Josh Mandel on the left wearing the shirt that he outgrew two years ago?
Kropacetic
@Urza: Well, first you have to prepare it for injection.
Baud
I’ve never let syphilis hold me back from doing my job.
dr. bloor
@Gravenstone: I’m gonna guess that Joshie got hisself all vaxxed up before going out to mix with the unwashed and unvaxxed masses.
Suzanne
@dr. bloor:
I hope not.
If someone must incubate a terrible and virulent new variant of Covid, may it be this clown.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: As long as your job doesn’t involve fucking, you’re good.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
What if it did…. hypothetically speaking?
Kropacetic
@Suzanne: Tell me about it. This is the first time in my life I’m purposefully excluding longtime friends because this shit’s just getting out of line.
My complaining about having my life threatened is just as bad, or worse, than their death threats, dontcha know?
debbie
@Gin & Tonic:
He used to be as thin as a rail. I’d almost bet he’s eaten himself chonky to look more like the RWNJs he wants to vote for him.
Kay
JD Vance and Josh Mandel are both bad candidates, which is a real gift to Tim Ryan, who is a pretty good candidate.
dmsilev
@Urza: Don’t forget the UV lamp. That’s very important.
Puddinhead
@Gin & Tonic: now you tell me.
smith
Cynic that I am, I’m afraid the next thing we hear about this will be that the server has been fired for letting Mandel know she was sick.
This debacle reminds of the time years ago at a Town Hall, Bush the Lesser heard from a woman who had to work three minimum wage jobs to keep her family afloat. Instead of being at least sympathetic to what she had to do to stay alive, Bush said, “Isn’t this a great country?” He was impressed that three jobs were available to her. Obviously the economy was doing great!
Kropacetic
@Kay: After that BS about unseating Nancy Pelosi, I was really surprised to like Tim Ryan during the presidential primaries.
Miss Bianca
@Kropacetic: Hey, where you been? Hunkering down, I guess!
Kay
He’s not even with the unwashed and unvaxxed. He’s in a high(er) income suburban area that Democrats and Republicans fight over. PLENTY of Trumpsters there too.
sdhays
@Kay: Is he the favorite on the Democratic side? I thought there was a mayor running as well.
West of the Rockies
@Gin & Tonic:
A fine figure of a man, no?
glc
@Baud:
Looking into it.
When do you need an answer?
debbie
@Kay:
“Grow up.” That should be his sign-off on every tweet to Mandel.
Benw
@Baud: just cause your boss screams “we’re fucked!” every time you turn in a report, doesn’t mean your job involves fucking, Baud!
Kropacetic
@Miss Bianca: Haha, hi. I pop in from time to time, often a hit and run. I was progressively getting more soured on politics from 2016 onward.
I’ve always read every day. I’ve been posting more the last couple months again. I’ve continued to sour on politics, but given the changing political dynamics, this place feels like refuge. It’s been like home for a while.
ETA: Oh and I appreciate you noticing.
Kay
@Kropacetic:
Well, let it go because if he has a shot in hell it will be because both Josh Mandel and JD Vance are horrible, unlikeable people with no actual views or beliefs.
Get on board :)
Ken
In his followup tweet, Mandel calls the restaurant “woke” because they sent the waitress home, after dozens of people called and said they weren’t going to eat there if the staff was sick. Sounds more “capitalism” to me, but I don’t speak wingnut.
raven
Conservative talk show host Phil Valentine dies after battle with Covid-19, his employer says
By
Kay
@sdhays:
Nan Whaley, the mayor of Dayton, is running for governor.
Baud
@glc: Yesterday.
@Benw: That makes sense. My job isn’t that pleasurable.
Peale
@Ken:like who would go to a restaurant knowing it’s workers were sick? Might as well advertise that they don’t wash their hands.
Kay
@Ken:
By now they should know how horrible he is though. How did they think this would go? Well?
dmsilev
@Ken: ‘woke’, in wingnutese, simply means ‘thing I don’t like’. In this case, the brewery was reacting in a way that Mandel didn’t like, ergo wokeness.
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev: Wow.
Free human vaccine or horse dewormer – decisions, decisions…
raven
Why di they keep saying this hurricane is the first one in 40 years when Sandy was in 2009?
dmsilev
AP just now:
Kropacetic
@raven: It didn’t hit land this far up, it came up the coast. Or that’s my understanding.
West of the Rockies
@raven:
Another Herman Cain Award recipient.
Kay
@dmsilev:
I feel bad for the restaurant. Not good for them, infectious disease promotions.
“Please. Don’t help us any more Josh”
dmsilev
@mrmoshpotato: For the sheeple, there is (really) a sheep-dip version. Also, it pleases me to know that the horse version is usually sold in paste form, so the MAGAts are literally paste-eaters.
Rob
@raven: Sandy came ashore in New Jersey. Henri will make landfall in either Long Island or Rhode Island.
raven
Geminid
@Kay: Republican politicians used to be more circumspect. I think Mandel and others have spent too much time in the echo chamber.
West of the Rockies
@Kropacetic:
I also thought Andrew hit CT/RI in ’90 or ’91.
Gin & Tonic
@Peale: A few years back I was at a fairly decent semi-chain place, sitting at the counter, with all cooking and prep areas visible. I watched as a prep cook alternated between handling frozen, raw and cooked food with his bare hands, without ever stopping to wash or to don gloves. I had already ordered, but I finished my beer and left. On the way out I told the person at the entry station why I was leaving and what they needed to do to improve, and was met with incomprehension.
A couple of weeks later I told this story to one of my commercial-chef friends, who was shocked and appalled.
You’d probably be surprised what goes on.
different-church-lady
Hoo! Moon and Jupiter putting on a show tonight!
Rob
@West of the Rockies: That was Bob in 1991 iirc. Andrew hit south Florida in 1992.
eta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Bob
raven
It makes me think of this
Gin & Tonic
@West of the Rockies: Not Andrew, Bob hit New England in ’91. Gloria hit Long Island in ’85.
Kropacetic
@West of the Rockies: We got Hurricane Bob here too. I think that’s the same from “The Perfect Storm.” Early to mid 90s.
G&T got there first and better.
Rob
@Kropacetic: The Perfect storm was not Bob (which was in August)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Perfect_Storm
Kropacetic
@Rob: Oh, ok, I thought Bob was one of three.
JaySinWa
Sex workers lament.
Kay
@Geminid:
You would think that but Mandel was terrible before Trump. What he was most know for in state government was hiring his awful college friends.
JD Vance probably was too- we just didn’t know it yet. While it’s true Trump brings out the worst these people were starting really low.
Mustang Bobby
Never a good thing to see the name of the town I grew up in on the news.
Ivan X
@Ohio Mom: I know. I don’t know why I think that our flock should really be better than any other humans, but it’s a fantasy I indulge myself with, so these cretins do indeed make me feel embarrassed and ashamed.
Dan B
@raven: A guess: Sandy ran into other states before it hit NYC. This one is a direct hit that didn’t hit any other land first. It also was being described as no longer a hurricane.
I agree Sandy hit big time. It caused more damage than this one is likely to cause.
Yutsano
@dmsilev: I was just coming to post that. I hope their hospital stay is short.
JanieM
@West of the Rockies: You might be thinking of Bob. Andrew was later IIRC.
geg6
I hope Jesse and his wife come out of this okay. Last time I saw him, a few months ago on tv (I think on Ari Melber’s show), he seemed pretty fragile. 79 isn’t horribly old, so I’m guessing he has some health condition that made him seem very fragile.
And fuck these assholes like Mandel and Vance. I hope Tim Ryan wipes the floor with them. A sentence I never expected to utter.
MagdaInBlack
@geg6: I listen to his daughter every morning on my commute. Jesse has Parkinsons .
( WCPT 820 AM Chicago)
Yutsano
Speaking of things that break my heart…
I do note they couldn’t get any lesbian women for this article.
MagdaInBlack
I’m watching Hal Sparks watch trumps Alabama rally. Would playing Patton’s battle speech from the movie be considered incitement?
The drinking word for the night is “disgraceful.” I’m glad i don’t drink.
Dan B
@Yutsano: The Taliban say they will treat women well but they mean well in Sharia law. LGBTQ+ people will likely be executed. Any unmarried, and some married, Afghans should be terrified their enemies will claim they are gay. Stoning or being crushed by a wall are just the end state of terror and torture. There are many young incel guys in the Taliban brigades. They will be propelled by rage and by mob mentality.
A number of international groups say their LGBTQ+ contacts have gone dark. How do you get people out when you can’t find them?
Kay
The Trumpsters hate DeWine too so that might play a little in our favor.
This is the Trumpster candidate:
He’s mad. Very, very angry. So there’s a shocker. They’re usually so pleasant and contented.
JAFD
@raven: The NY Post, as usual, is wrong. The winds around Northern Hemisphere low-pressure systems blow counter-clockwise.
The eye of Sandy came ashore north of Atlantic City, south of Asbury Park, which meant that the strongest storm winds blew the ocean waters into the ‘funnel’ of New York Bay. Thus, ‘coastal flooding’ on grand scale !
Meself, was living in Mount Laurel NJ, near Philly, at time. Was not nice day in neighborhood, tree limbs downed, small trees uprooted, but little major damage there. Half of parking lot at Moorestown Mall was base for utility trucks from all over, till almost Christmas
scav
I was wondering when they would get to the soul- and liberty-crushing oppression of big government woke liberal elitists insisting that restaurant staff wash their hands before returning to work. Real patriots don’t steal their labor from their betters by wasting time on that. If God had wanted clean hands he would have made us sweat Irish Spring!
Kay
When did this become a normal thing to say? Christ. Mr. Constitutional Conservative wants to invade and conquer.
debbie
@sdhays:
Morgan Harper. She’s running as a progressive, so basically no chance.
gogiggs
@smith: Well, if you’re willing to eat shit for next to nothing there are an infinite number of jobs open to you.
Jean
@dmsilev: Yes, it is a paste. My horse got it in June, and it must be given in doses adjusted for the weight of the horse. Mine weighs 1000 lbs. It’s strong stuff and horses hate the taste of it. Dewormers are usually administered twice a year.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven:
(In which he links to a Daily Caller story about the J&J vaccine)
mrmoshpotato
@MagdaInBlack:
Hal has become a gutton for punishment. I listened to a bit of him with Johnny Million this morning, but I can’t subject myself to any more of Dump’s bullshit.
Jim Appleton
Yesterday I had my first conversation with a deranged Covid conspiricist. Hoax. But Ivermectin.
Me: if it’s a hoax, why are you willing to ingest veterinary dose of questionable medication?
Blank stare.
I realized I’m not angry AT him (I am) so much as I’m angry that circumstances have led to so many of his demographic killing people.
MagdaInBlack
@mrmoshpotato: I admit my Hal crush is fading and that’s probably the reason.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“shouted down” overstates it, but it does seem to confuse him
mrmoshpotato
@Jim Appleton:
Check and mate, Dump humper.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Urza: Yes, who in the hell wants an contagious waiter handing their food? These people are fucking morons and politics has nothing to do with it.
bbleh
@raven: @West of the Rockies: @Dan B: @JAFD: Yup. Sandy took a sudden hard left, and the eye came ashore in NJ, but in the northern hemisphere it’s always the northern half of the storm that’s the worst, so NYC got hit pretty hard. A power station in the East 30s got knocked out, and the southern third of Manhattan was without power for days. Big chunks of West St. and Battery Park were underwater, the WTC Memorial was a waterfall, and the tunnels and a lot of the subway stops were closed for days or weeks. It was a mess, the more so because the turn was unexpected and people really weren’t prepared. And IIRC, it was downgraded to a TS either just before or soon after it hit NYC. I’m pretty sure I saw the eye moving northeast over LI though, and most of us had water even if we didn’t have power.
mrmoshpotato
@MagdaInBlack: I appreciate what he’s doing, don’t get me wrong. But I’m RWNJ’ed out lately.
Brachiator
Real Muuricans don’t need no commie sick days.
Major Major Major Major
That senate race is gonna be nuts. Can’t wait.
Just Chuck
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Shouted down, no, but the booing is clearly audible. The next sound is several hundred heads simultaneously exploding, I think. The hollow ones are the loudest.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kay: at very lest, make paid time off mandatory. Enough with this plague rat mentality.
Chetan Murthy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just watched that clip. I thought he did an admirable job of trying a new line, having it crater, and recovering with more crowd-pleasers. It actually seemed like really good salesmanship. I mean, it’s obviously not what we want in a President, nor even a school board president. And what he’s selling is himself, which is pretty execrable. But I thought it was good salesmanship. It’s all he ever was, all he ever had, apart from his inheritance and his mobster/Russian partners.
mrmoshpotato
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Well, congrats to Shit For Brains on creating a cult that wants to kill itself in the face of overwhelming science!
Jim Jones must be massively jealous in hell.
bbleh
@Jim Appleton: Hahaha, no no, you were using facts and logic. MAGAts do not speak those, although in some cases they do recognize them, in which case they typically react with hostility.
Nicole
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
@raven:
I was following this for weeks- so infuriating because his connections just continued spouting bs. His brother claimed he’d never been “anti-vax” (despite putting out a bad parody, “Vaxman” like a week before he got sick) and when he went into the hospital, the reason given for putting him on the ventilator was that he was supposedly doing better but this would let his body get “much-needed rest.” In what reality is moving from oxygen to a ventilator an improvement? Right-wingers. They never stop lying.
Last I read, one of his brothers still wouldn’t get vaccinated. ?
Jim Appleton
Yesterday I had my first conversation with a deranged Covid conspiricist. Hoax. But Ivermectin.
Me: if it’s a hoax, why are you willing to ingest veterinary dose of questionable medication?
Blank stare.
I realized I’m not angry AT him (I am) so much as I’m angry that circumstances have led to so many of his demographic killing people.
@mrmoshpotato: I put 99.9 percent of the blame for when we are on IDJT.
The remainder is split between opportunists who get off on pissing off the libs and, more worryingly, the likelihood that this vulnerability has been literally weaponized by Russia at a minimum.
Obvious Russian Troll
@Chetan Murthy: If only Trump were selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door in Queens.
(My late brother did this for a while [although not in Queens] and was apparently reasonably good at it. He had stories about his manager rustling up his coworkers at the bar and at the crack house, which is a bit ironic considering my brother’s substance abuse problems.)
Just Chuck
So is Mandel trashing the business because they sent the employee home, or because he decided to switch sides and figured no one knows how to scroll up on a twitter feed? Both seem equally idiotic and therefore plausible.
Jim Appleton
Removed.
Something weird is going on with comment posting for me.
Kay
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
He said it because Republicans are all saying no one wants to work because of unemployment benefits. He’s a moron so he fucked it all up but that was his point.
It doesn’t seem to be true but our ridiculous pundits all repeated it as fact for a month – IMO because they all always think the worst of low wage workers so it was just their operating assumption.
The “lazy moochers” economic theories are pretty popular. Kind of a go to. When in doubt? Moochers and featherbedders. Them again.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
I think what’s striking is his language. “We” have to “take over” this state. This country. That’s the language insurgents use if I’m not wrong
Jim Appleton
@bbleh: Yeah, there’s a bit more, all of which points in the direction you indicate. The look on his face, though, told me what few brain cells are still there were saying “doubt”, likely to no effect other than an ignored traffic sign.
Dan B
@scav: If Dog wanted clean hands we would sweat Satby / Skinluvvers glorious soaps!
Choices… Do I do Radar Love, Lavender, Ruby Red Grapefruit, or Appleblossom? And there’s….. Moar! So many choices!!!
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It amazes me they never get mad at him. He told them he was going to be sworn it. Nope. Then he told them he would be “producing evidence”. Nope. Months go by, he then tells them he’ll be President in August. Now it’s September. He told them tonight, again, that he would be releasing the evidence.
Aren’t they disappointed? My God, at what point are they “I’m starting to think this guy is not on the level”. It’s like he’s bypassed ordinary human emotions.
Just Chuck
@Kay: I think the only thing that would disappoint them would be if he ever started telling the truth.
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Right. “Take back” is ordinary pol language. “Take over” is an entirely different thing. One’s a pull and the others a push. It’s an escalation. They’re moving away from the “consent of the governed” concept, which shouldn’t suprise anyone, given their leader.
Soprano2
I once worked with an accountant who told me she came to work even if she was puking. I have a strict “I don’t go to work if I’m puking” rule, so I was shocked. I couldn’t believe she thought she had to do that.
Some good news – when I came back to work I noticed that two guys who were wearing masks before aren’t now, which means they got vaxxed. One at a time….
Anotherlurker
@Rob: Not to be “That Guy” but Sandy never reached Hurricane status. Winds were never more than 60 mph.
I “survived” Sandy with severe PTSD and ended up losing my house and my career and my retirement. This was due to the incompetence of the NY Rising grant program and their standard procedure of pushing participants in the program to take out SBA loans and otherwise take on un-needed debt.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
@Just Chuck:
This. Basically, if he ever suddenly changed into a decent human being or had an epiphany they would turn on him in an instant. You could hear some booing in that linked video above when Trump talked positively about vaccination
Kay
@Just Chuck:
People say “oh, they don’t believe him, they think he’s a loveable scamp who lies constantly but what’s the harm?” but that’s not true of the actual Trumpsters. They do believe him. Still. Incredibly.
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: if only Biden would have admitted that he was too scared to leave his basement and would never have done anything like trump did to find a vaccine quickly and gave Trump all the credit…they’d be quick to vaccinate.
Dan B
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): If the GQP takes over in 2022 they’ll be primed for “taking over”. They hate democracy if it means the lazy liberal minorities get some power.
Fox and its heirs have unleashed Goebbels 2.0. Faceborg did it in Myanmar. Hungary was led slowly and relentlessly down this path. What is not recognized is that if each country gets its own dictatorship they will soon be at war with each other, especially as climate driven famines, heat and flooding deaths ramp up.
Time to get out the vote and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: he’s expressed his contempt for them often enough, it just amazes me none of them can see through his act. I wonder if he still does that thing where he rambles about about how rich he is, then remembers he’s supposed to be a populist. I don’t think he needs to, they get some kind of vicarious thrill from his bragging.
It’s like he’s bypassed ordinary human emotions.
Whenever he talks about emotion or other human interactions, you can tell how alien they are to him, no better example than when he says the police and his rioters were “hugging and kissing” on 1/6. He knows hugging implies affection, and hugging and kissing go together, so…
Soprano2
@Kay: The former cop I was arguing with yesterday said the reason stopping the pandemic unemployment in June hasn’t solved the labor shortage yet is because “those lazy people ” still have money, but when it runs out you’ll see it’ll fix the problem. (He thought they were still getting $600/week, too.) They cannot admit that the problem isn’t just one thing. I swear, most stupidity is because people want everything to have one simple answer, rather than admitting that most problems are complicated.
This person also told me that most of the homeless could have access to a place to take a shower and clean up every day if they wanted to so they could get a job, but 90% of them want to live like that.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Dan B:
I don’t understand what Manchin and Sinema are thinking. Do they honestly think they’ll be spared?
People say the sausage is being made behind the scenes, and that Manchin “has always been with us when it counts”, but we’re almost at the end of 2021. Time is running out. This is reminding me a lot of what he did with that gun control bill after Sandy Hook
Renie
@Soprano2: how do you manage to even listen to this guy? I would tell him he needs mental health treatment
Chetan Murthy
@Soprano2: In early 2020, I flew to TX to help a family member with a thing. The Lyft driver who drove me from the airport, started talking about things [and I encouraged it, b/c I wanted to learn what things were like, in my former hometown]. We pulled up at an intersection with some homeless people. She went off on a jag about how they were able-bodied, they didn’t need to be begging for money. They could [I shit you not] donate some plasma, take the $$, rent a hotel room, buy some clothes, get cleaned up, and go to a job interview in the morning, get out of homelessness.
I was gobsmacked. Lotta crabs in that bucket. I mean, she was a Lyft driver, she couldn’t have been doing so great herself.
eclare
@Anotherlurker: Oh how awful…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
I guess mental illness and/or substance addiction doesn’t exist according to that Lyft driver
Soprano2
@Renie: It’s informative, actually, to get a glimpse at what they’re thinking. It’s all the unvaxxed black people spreading Covid according to him, not Trump supporters who won’t get the shot. He’s obviously bad at math. Oh, and Covid is worse now than ever according to him, because of all the infected “illegals” Biden is letting in (he says 25% of them have Covid and Biden isn’t doing anything about it). He quit talking to me when I pointed out that Covid was worse under TFG when almost no immigrants were coming here. I don’t talk to him often because he gets really mad when I don’t agree with him. I think it’s the cop mentality.
Ruckus
@Kay:
That’s rich. Tim telling JD to grow up. Like that’s ever going to happen.
And BTW calling him a child is willfully denigrating children.
Chetan Murthy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Lemme put it this way: she was in the right demographic for rural Texas, to have personal experience with drug addicts and such. So her …. crab-in-a-bucket nature was definitely something innate, not just by dint of lack of exposure.
P.S. haha, of course I mean cracker-ass redneck.
eclare
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: What seemed most alien to me was when he passed out candy to kids at the White House. One kid held out his Halloween bag, and TFG put the candy on the kid’s head. Normal human behavior is completely foreign to him. Boy did his parents fuck him up.
Ruckus
@dmsilev:
Well that’s possibly a step up from eating their own effluent.
MagdaInBlack
@Soprano2: Well, Desantis blamed it on “illegals” crossing the border, and Dan Patrick in Texas blamed the un-vaccinated black population, so the message is working as they hoped.
Folks like your “friend” just swallow it whole, there is no critical thinking done.
Anotherlurker
@eclare: It wasn’t just me who lost everything because of the horrible “recovery” efforts. In one of my recovery groups we had 2 suicides plus a fatal heart attack because of State and Federal indifference to the needs of those directly harmed by natural disasters.
The only thing disaster “recovery” is concerned with is protecting banks and insurance companies.
Ruckus
@Geminid:
So we are now calling their waste discharge orifice an echo chamber?
Kay
@eclare:
My most alien moment was when he and Melania went to El Paso and did the photo with the baby.
She released that photo. Chose it. The baby was just orphaned in a mass shooting. Why are the Trumps grinning?
eclare
@Kay: Another good example…especially because she hardly ever smiles
scav
@Kay: Why does she wear high heels to a disaster?
Clearly, backdrops are not important and it’s ‡ all backdrop.
‡ it clearly inclusive of all material objects, animate or otherwise.
mrmoshpotato
@Just Chuck:
Nominating this.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
TBH, I’ve never really liked “take back” either. It reveals what we’ve suspected all along; that Republicans view their political opponents as illegitimate.
You’re spot on that it’s an escalation. Ever since last year, I’ve seen an uptick in white men wearing Nine Line Apparel and other militaristic tacticool shit; ultra-nationalist far-right drivel like this
They can claim it’s “patriotic” and it’s all about veterans all they want. I see right through it. They made that “So help me God” part pretty fucking prominent. It’s reactionary, not patriotic
Ruckus
@Kay:
Well it’s obvious that they can’t win pretty much any other way, once they showed their hand with SFB. Sure he won, once. Then he tried to overthrow the government. It looks to me, while a large segment of the US population is bat shit insane, not all of those on the other side are. And while I’d bet they will vote republican in the future, right now, I see that a lot of the “news” media thinks they have to fight very hard to maintain the insanity. I think that a lot of people are fed up, sure not everyone, but there is a reason that I can spell sociopath on the first try, it’s a word that should be getting a lot more use after the last 4 yrs. But it’s not everyone on the right that can be described by that term. And no I don’t agree with their political stance at all but the center is a large group of humans. It’s the folks on the fringes (also I’m not saying the fringe is a small number either) that want harmful policies.
mrmoshpotato
@Just Chuck:
That would mean admitting he’s a conman, and a fraud, and calling all of his cult members gullible, racist, misogynistic morons who he took to the cleaners.
Ruckus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Isn’t that his normal condition? Or am I mixing up confusion and gross stupidity?
Ruckus
@mrmoshpotato:
That would mean admitting he’s a conman, and a fraud, and calling all of his cult members gullible, racist, misogynistic morons who he took to the cleaners.
He’ll never do that, he’d have to admit he’d driven himself to the cleaners.
Fake Irishman
@Kay: what about Timken?
mrmoshpotato
@eclare:
What ridiculous movie are you describing? Good lord!
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I see it too. The far Right stickers on the trucks. There’s nothing comparable on the other side. They all screech about antifa but antifa isn’t selling thousands of stickers ordinary people are putting on their automobiles.
They want to be identified as dangerous, as people who might go off at any moment. It’s “performative”, sure, but it’s intended to be seen and noted by the rest of us.
Kelly
@Kay: Here in rural Oregon
signs are commonplace. The signs have a small silhouette of a guy holding a handgun over his head. There is also ‘OREGUNIAN’ underlined with a AR15 silhouette t-shirts and truck back window decals
Kay
@Fake Irishman:
She’s certainly viable and she’s vowed eternal subservience to Trump but I put her in the JD Vance category- a fancy Republican who is trying to be Donald Trump and it just isn’t believable.
She would have been a good Romney Republican but that avenue is now closed.
Poe Larity
@Jim Appleton: It’s
turtlesfrogs all the way downGoku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
Exactly. I want to tell them all of that gear and merch makes them look like total dickheads. Would love to see the look on their face lol
The Dead Kennedys always have some relevant lyrics, from “Macho Insecurity”:
Humor aside, their military/police cosplay and worship is disturbing
Kay
@Kelly:
My sense is people don’t see them as a threat because the violent images and really just flaunting it makes it less hidden or underground – if someone is really going to commit political violence they haven’t traditionally decorated their yard or car announcing it – but to me it’s just a numbers game. 2% of a million is more than 2% of ten thousand. There are more of them now so more violent extremists among them.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
OT: It’s been roughly 30 years since Star Trek: TNG’s “The Drumhead” episode aired.
I was wondering what you all thought of this quote from the episode:
Kelly
@Kay: I feel like they are working their way up to violence. Most of them lack the attention span to overturn anything except a barroom table. Dangerous small groups at worst. Dangerous like a lynch mob. Dangerous bullies.
Fake Irishman
@Kay:
Im pretty sure Mandel is from the town next to where I grew up on the east side of Cleveland. Won a city council seat there. But that part of Cuyahoga county is pretty blue. Not Shaker Heights blue, but does vote for dems up and down the ballot, even recently.
SiubhanDuinne
@mrmoshpotato:
It’s twue. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4107778002
James E Powell
@MagdaInBlack:
For a large portion of Americans, it is a fact beyond doubt that the 2008 financial collapse was caused by black people not paying their mortgages.
Republicans point at their usual targets and the whole horde follows along.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@James E Powell:
I want to ask these people, for the sake of argument, who’s fault it really is: poor black people or the predatory lenders who gave them mortgages they couldn’t actually afford?
topclimber
@Baud: That would explain the no-pants s(ch)tick.
MagdaInBlack
@James E Powell: Yes. I recall having that discussion/argument back when it happened.
Keep the non-thinkers distracted and divided so they don’t look up and see the real culprits.
James E Powell
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I’m guessing their answers would be more incoherent, hate-filled babble.
frosty
@MagdaInBlack:
I’m sorry to hear that about Jesse. Parkinson’s is a horrible way to end your days. My dad had it, and I’m now past the age when he first had symptoms. Every morning when I wake up and my hands aren’t shaking is a good morning.
barbequebob
@Dan B: Yes, my understanding is that by the time Sandy made landfall, the speed of sustained winds did not meet hurricane standards, But it was a massive storm that had been a category 3 for a long time before it lost wind speed, and the momentum of the massive storm surge it generated is what made Sandy so powerful and damaging. Henri, OTOH, is a small storm, that for a short period of time will barely meet minimum wind speeds of a Cat 1 Hurricane. It is not much of a storm compared to Sandy, although it’s storm surge will get an assist from full moon high tides.
sab
@debbie: A write up about Morgan Harper in Columbus Dispatch that the Akron Beacon Journal ran today.. They interviewed Emilia Sykes, who is Akron’s state rep, and also the Democratic minority leader in the state house. They asked Sykes what she thought about Harper. Sykes said she didn’t really have an opinion because she had only just met her this week. Wow. Harper is a black activist woman living in Columbus, claiming to be a Democrat, and she only just now got around to meeting the minority leader of her alleged party.
LeftCoastYankee
America, world leader in village idiots since… you know, the old days with Baby Jesus, ATV’s and the dinosaurs in upstate New York.
mrmoshpotato
@LeftCoastYankee:
Upstate New York – so that’s where Jesus was all “Hiho Rexy away!”
Ahh the days of The Lone Jesus… *sigh
Ruckus
@frosty:
The last 5-6 yrs of my life I’ve had docs telling me I might have Parkinsons, and the same number of docs telling me I don’t. The ones who told me I didn’t never did any exams. My point is that you are right about Parkinsons, it is a disruptive disease, which keeps making your life worse and worse. I found out earlier this year I don’t have Parkinsons, because the person doing yet another intake exam, a 4th yr medical student, who gave me the best neuro exam I’ve ever had, over residents and attendings, asked her attending to show her and me the definitive test. We know more about medicine now than ever before in history. The VA uses surfing to help many veterans with PTSD gain stability and a different view of life, it changes the perspective and it does it in way that demands that you stop thinking about the problems you suffer from and focus not on the past but the future. It was a big wave surfer who figured out the surfing part, doctors figured out why. As much as we now know about medicine there are some things that we really are still working on to fix and a lot of the things that go wrong with/within the brain are some of the main things that are still relatively not that well understood. Many of the issues were worse 10 yrs ago, and worse yet 20 yrs ago. They will be better 10 yrs from now. That’s how all human progress is made, one day, one step at a time. We had what 3 vaccines in such a short time for Covid that it boggles the mind, but the science behind them has been worked on and out for a long time.
My issues may progress to Parkinsons but my doc doesn’t think so. And he’s been right so far. But there is a reason that some docs think I might have it. I have issues that can be part of Parkinsons, but they can also be part of other diseases and can be part just of aging. That’s part of the secrets that docs are trying to unlock. If they do I’d bet that our geezer population will grow, as more old farts get better and stay that way.
We can’t stop aging, but maybe we can slow it down. We know a lot of things that do just that, and many of them are not medications.
Chris T.
@dmsilev:
Repeating myself from the daily covid thread: maybe we should imply that the effective part of “hydroxychloroquine” is the “chloro-” part, i.e., chlorine. They can get this at pool maintenance supply shops.
Chris T.
@Soprano2:
The correct response to that is to puke on her, then keep working. Then puke on her again and continue working.
(This requires the ability to barf voluntarily, unfortunately. Can be done with emetics but that’s a little trickier.)
Morzer
@raven: Alternative title:
Charley and the Crackpot Factory
Geminid
@sab: It could be that Morgan Harper thought she had nothing to learn from Minority Leader Emilia Sykes. After all, Sykes is part of the Democratic establishment, and to Justice Democrats, the establishment is to be supplanted, not engaged with. After, they would argue, if Ms. Sykes and the rest of Ohio’s Democratic politicians were “bold progressives,” Sykes would be Majority Leader.
Considering that Harper lost her primary challenge to Joyce Beatty 68%-32%, her Senate candidacy could just be a clout-building project for Justice Democrats. It might be something worse, though. @LizBurgh is an industrious researcher of FEC filings. Last month she flagged a $500,000 contribution to the Justice Democrats Superpac by Charles Dunlop, principal owner of Ambry Genetics. Until 2018, Dunlop was a big contributor to conservative Congressman Dana Rohrabacher. Then he started contributing to Tulsi Gabbard and various Justice Democrat candidates. Dunlop may see the JDs as a vehicle with which to take the Democratic party down from behind. The cynical Justice Democrats could see this as a common cause. They might rather see Tim Ryan lose than show that a moderate Democrat can win in a red state.
Rob
@Anotherlurker:
Oh no. I’m very sorry to read this.
prostratedragon
… and one day, the capybara shall reclaim its own!
(They’re really cute fellows, too.)
Salt Creek
@bbleh: Superstorm Sandy also hit during astronomical high tides which made things much worse. Gasoline production and distribution facilities were also damaged which brought the metropolitan area to a standstill. Added to this, most gas stations did not have backup power, so even if they had gas, they had no way to sell it.
Capri
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Trick question. The answer is the government made the banks give out those bad loans because of political correctness.
evodevo
@James E Powell:
Yep…I still get this shit from right winger relatives/acquaintances – the only one I was able to shut up about it was one who I forced to read Barry Ritholz’s Bailout Nation…never heard any crap after that…I was amazed he actually read it and absorbed the info.
evodevo
@Ruckus: I can only recite the experience of Mr.Evodevo’s female cousin, who is an RN. The U of FL at Gainesville diagnosed her essential tremor as parkinson’s 30 years ago and put her on levodopa….turned out, after years of neurological and GI problems she didn’t have parkinson’s, but coeliac! She went off gluten products for a month, and her symptoms disappeared (except for the tremor, which has decreased measurably with time). She’s been symptom free for 2 decades now…
J R in WV
@Rob:
That’s a difference to people who live there — for the rest of the country, the world, Jersey and Long Island are the same place, bullseye for the hurricane. And Connecticut is right across the sound from Long Island.
Look at the map. If it wasn’t for the traffic you could drive from New Jersey to Long Island in a hour. Mapquest gets me from Jersey City NJ to Medford NY, the middle of Long Island, in and hour and 28 minutes, it’s 60 F’in miles. Both are on the same bullseye for a hurricane.
JaneE
It has been close to half a century since I heard a Republican politician say something that I could whole-heartedly agree with, and it was rare even then. They just take the wrong position, or take a decent position and ruin it with an implementation that produces the opposite result from what they said they wanted. (Their statement of a decent position in the first place could have just been deceit). They don’t even pretend to want the right things now, or else they genuinely believe that evil is good.
Saving lives used to be a no-brainer. Doing what was proven to work was a no-brainer. Even changing course when what you were doing didn’t work and trying something else was very possible, because the goal was the same for both parties.
At some point the GOP decided that the goal wasn’t the point and doing things their way was. Part of it was just a need for immediate gratification. If abstinence education kept 14 and 15 year olds from having sex, it worked. The fact that the same kids had children and STDs at 16 or 17 wasn’t relevant. Same for needle exchanges reducing the cases of aids, but that may have been just a desire to see the addicts die. They often oppose Narcan for the same reason.
It doesn’t matter how mom and apple pie a Democratic proposal or idea is, the GOP will still oppose it. They know their no mask no vaccine rules will kill people, and putting unvaccinated kids in school and forbidding masks will kill children. They will still insist that that is a good thing.
J R in WV
@Soprano2:
I think that means they WANT YOU to think they got vaccinated… not that this is necessarily actually true…? Maybe they just wanted to quit wearing a mask.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Kropacetic: sounds almost communist/soviet-&-or-maoist
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Kropacetic: still don’t cotton to tim ryan or seth moulton over that anti-nancy bs, but will take him in senate over sen. loves-his-live-gay-son or trash mandel or j.d. antivaxxx
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Kay: he is busy separating the presidential reinstallation piece from the obama kenyan birth piece.
el jefe’s crack team of investigators is notably disorganized. like the dude in the big lebowski disorganized.
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): one friedman unit of purification rundown would cure a lot of it
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Kelly: i have seen those, but assumed it was just about the born n’ raised oregon population’s ongoing pronunciation war with the east over how to see oregon, & the whole rest of the country over how to say willamette
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@James E Powell: james earl carter’s community reinvestment act was the worst presidential action since john adams’s alien n’ sedition acts
MontyTheClipArtMongoose
@Geminid: got it in one
Percysowner
@MontyTheClipArtMongoose: I don’t like what he did about Pelosi either, but in the end he’s a reliable Democrat, a sexist, ageist Democrat, but a reliable one. He’s not one of the “moderates” fighting the order of the passage of the infrastructure bills. His “fight Pelosi” stance might well buy him some cred here in Ohio and might give him a fighting chance to win.