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Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread + Legal Zoom Reminder (Tonight 7 pm)

by WaterGirl|  July 18, 20234:24 pm| 42 Comments

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They say timing is everything!

As you no doubt have surmised, we relied our secret insider information when we scheduled the legal zoom for tonight.

Zoom is at 7 pm blog time (aka Eastern time).

I have sent out the zoom links, so if you didn’t get yours, let me know so I can remedy that.

Totally open thread!

https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1681122044673400833?s=20

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  1. 1.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 18, 2023 at 4:27 pm

    Thanks for emailing the link! I’m looking forward to another great ImmZoom.

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2023 at 4:28 pm

    How do I get the link?

  3. 3.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 4:28 pm

    WRT that tweet:  I hear banjos. Or at least Ashokan Farewell.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2023 at 4:31 pm

    Sent the email to WG

  5. 5.

    PaulWartenberg

    July 18, 2023 at 4:36 pm

    Michigan AG filing charges on 16 fake electors from the 2020 election:

    nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/michigan-attorney-general-charges-false-electors-efforts-overturn…

  6. 6.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 18, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    @Elizabelle: Dueling I presume.

  7. 7.

    frosty

    July 18, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    Regarding the tweet: I really hope it stops the Mad King. Because when I read a) his plans to wreck the federal government an install an authoritarian state and b) that Biden only won the EC by 40,000 votes, it makes me very anxious.

  8. 8.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 18, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    @PaulWartenberg: Good to see!

  9. 9.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2023 at 4:40 pm

    @PaulWartenberg: way to go, AG Nessel!

  10. 10.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 18, 2023 at 4:42 pm

    May the armies of justice lay waste to Merde-A-Loser, to Bedminister, to Trump Tower.  Pillage and burn, armies of justice.  Pillage and burn.

  11. 11.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 4:45 pm

    A reader comment (by Zed) on WaPost story about Phoenix’s streak of 110 degree days (19 in a row; ouch!):

    A Brief Timeline of Climate Change Denial

    Not Real 1980-2008 =>Real but not man made 2009-2022 =>Oh F*#K 2023

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 4:46 pm

    No word at all on any target letter to Roger Stone.  Or Steve Bannon.

    I would guess they are in Jack Smith’s crosshairs, too.

  13. 13.

    patrick II

    July 18, 2023 at 4:50 pm

    Too bad so many of you are going to be at the Zoom call.  I am going to be watching the reboot of Justified — Justified: City Primeval — on FX this evening.  O.K. it will also be streaming on Hulu, but otherwise set your (I almost said VCR) … your recorders whatever they are called nowa days.

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    July 18, 2023 at 4:51 pm

    @Elizabelle: I remember Phoenix’s record-setting day of 122 back in 1990.

    Nothing will change there until people have to bear the cost. Air conditioning, water, etc.

  15. 15.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 18, 2023 at 4:53 pm

    @Elizabelle: Nineteen days in a row and counting?

  16. 16.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 4:58 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:  And then it got hotter!  WaPost:

    PHOENIX — In a city used to blazing summers, a historic heat wave set a new benchmark Tuesday: Temperatures reached 110 degrees on a 19th-consecutive day here, according to preliminary National Weather Service data.

    And then they kept climbing: The mercury hit 112 by 12:35 p.m., less than an hour later. The hot streak is not expected to end soon, meaning old records will be shattered. High temperatures are forecast to reach 115 degrees or hotter for at least the next week.

    “With the rapid population growth of Phoenix and how many people have been moving here, it is very likely that these are the highest temperatures that many Phoenicians have ever experienced,” said David Hondula, director of the city’s Office of Heat Response and Mitigation.

  17. 17.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 18, 2023 at 5:02 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    And then it got hotter! 

    One can only assume that everyone took off all their clothes.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 5:03 pm

    @rikyrah: Send an email message to my nym at balloon-juice.com

  19. 19.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 5:04 pm

    @Suzanne:  WaPost earlier this week, about Phoenix having a reliable electricity grid.  I hope so.  They were estimating that you could have 13,000 deaths if it failed during a heat wave.

    The story really made me think:  terrorists.  Behold your next World Trade Center.

    WaPost:

    A Phoenix power outage amid a heat wave could possibly kill thousands, study says

    If the city were to lose power for air conditioning, roughly half the city could end up in the emergency room

    As the heat wave scorching millions of people across the Southwest intensifies, the upcoming days will be a test for Phoenix.

    Temperatures are forecast to soar to among the worst in history and set records for electricity demand. Experts worry that this combination could create a nightmare scenario: a brutal heat wave and multiday blackout that, according to one study, could kill thousands of people and send half the city to the emergency room.
    “A blackout during a heat wave is probably the most threatening climate event we can imagine,” said Brian Stone Jr., the lead author of the study and a professor at the Georgia Institute of Technology’s School of City and Regional Planning.

    To be clear, the likelihood of such a scenario — especially one as dire as the paper foreshadows — is low in a city such as Phoenix, where city officials and electricity providers say the power grid is highly reliable. However, the risk is heightened during severe heat waves, which hike regional demand for power and compromise the functioning of energy infrastructure.

    The threat is not limited to Phoenix: Two-thirds of North America is at risk of energy shortfalls this summer, particularly during periods of extreme demand, according to a report from the North American Electric Reliability Corporation.

    Meanwhile, 108 million Americans are under heat alerts as unforgiving temperatures bake much of the Lower 48. In addition to the Southwest, where temperatures could climb as high as 130 degrees, the nation’s three most populous states — California, Texas and Florida — are facing triple-digit temperatures. The magnitude and duration of the heat is setting records.
    …

    The study’s researchers simulated what would happen if the residents of Phoenix, Atlanta and Detroit were struck by a heat wave and a complete blackout that lasts 48 hours before power starts to be incrementally restored. The outcomes were deadly in all three cities, but the results for Phoenix were particularly striking, where almost everyone in the city relies on air conditioning to weather extreme heat. The study predicted that about half the population would require emergency department care and about 13,000 would die.

    “Phoenix has a resilient electrical grid, there’s no doubt about it,” Stone said. “But they really haven’t prepared sufficiently for that low-probability but very high-impact event.”

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 5:05 pm

    @PaulWartenberg: Go Michigan!

    On Wisconsin!

    I swear the women are gonna save us.

  21. 21.

    Brit in Chicago

    July 18, 2023 at 5:06 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: What happens when they’re all off and you’re still too hot?

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 5:07 pm

    @patrick II: Are all the episodes going to be on FX?  Or is it just the first episode?  (First one’s free, then you’re hooked.)

    I wonder if I still get that channel on cable.

  23. 23.

    Miss Bianca

    July 18, 2023 at 5:13 pm

    @patrick II: Would that be a Justified reboot as in Timothy Olyphant playing Raylan Givens? Shoot. I bet they won’t even bother putting this one out on DVD.

  24. 24.

    Anonymous At Work

    July 18, 2023 at 5:13 pm

    Timing really *IS* everything.  I have a prior ZOOM meeting tonight at the same time.

    Just note, best take I’ve seen so far is the effect of a DC judge vs. Aileen as far as rulings.  If she can’t 100% shield Trump from consequences, she has no incentive to risk the rest of reputation forever protecting a person already set to fall.

    And for Michigan fraudulent electors, “I wonder against whom they would testify if they took a deal?”

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 5:21 pm

    @patrick II:

    Ooh, first two episodes tonight, another one next week.

    I have set my Tivo Season Pass.

    thank you!

  26. 26.

    Heidi Mom

    July 18, 2023 at 5:26 pm

    That tweet is a fine example of Game of Thrones imagery.  And of course Jack Smith is a Stark!

  27. 27.

    patrick II

    July 18, 2023 at 5:29 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    It will be on FX.  If you have FX on your cable selections, then you are good.  Most cable shows go to “On Demand” after a day or so.  It will be streaming on Hulu.  I have Youtube tv that has FX, so I am recording it there.  Better than Hulu cause I can FF thru the commercials.  Anyhow, you will figure out a way.

  28. 28.

    patrick II

    July 18, 2023 at 5:31 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Yes, Timothy is playing Givens.  The rest of the cast has not been advertised as participating.  The same showrunners though, and based on one an Elmore Leonard book, so between all of that it should have a pretty good “justified” feel.

  29. 29.

    Roberto el oso

    July 18, 2023 at 5:33 pm

    I had never realized that residents of Phoenix are known as Phoenicians.

  30. 30.

    Martin

    July 18, 2023 at 5:52 pm

    @Elizabelle: Phoenix is over 110 every day for the 10 day forecast. There is no end in sight.

    Phoenix would be much better off had they learned to build dwellings like the indigenous people who lived there 2 centuries ago did. They are dying of western hubris.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 5:52 pm

    @patrick II: I’m good.  I have Tivo all set up to record all the episodes for me.  One button fast-forwards past the commercial. :-)

  32. 32.

    Martin

    July 18, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    @Anonymous At Work: That’s my take on Cannon as well. It’s a twist on the ‘if you come for the king you best not miss’. If you’re going to risk throwing the trial, you better fucking succeed, because if you fail you go down with Trump.

  33. 33.

    Elizabelle

    July 18, 2023 at 5:55 pm

    @Martin:  I was impressed with the old buildings/streets in Valencia, Spain, a few summers back.  You could access shade, and you got a cooling airflow down the (narrow) streets.

    It is hubris to build completely dependent on electricity and HVAC.  I remember us being sent home from work in DC, in the 1980s, because the power failed in our 10 story building.

  34. 34.

    Suzanne

    July 18, 2023 at 6:01 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    They were estimating that you could have 13,000 deaths if it failed during a heat wave.

    The story really made me think:  terrorists.  Behold your next World Trade Center.

     

    I think that’s already known to be a huge potential target. Most of the power in the Phoenix area is provided by the Palo Verde nuclear power plant, which has three reactors. It’s not far outside the city; you can see it from I-10.

    A few years ago, I was reading some list (can’t remember from where) of the biggest terrorist targets in the U.S. Palo Verde was on it, because it’s so proximate to a major city. The heat deaths would be the least of the concerns, in that instance.

  35. 35.

    Suzanne

    July 18, 2023 at 6:06 pm

    @Martin:

    Phoenix would be much better off had they learned to build dwellings like the indigenous people who lived there 2 centuries ago did. They are dying of western hubris. 

    Agreed. But even the midcentury concrete block one-story ranch houses are better than the stick-frame stucco houses built since the mid-80s.

    The first house we lived in when we moved to Phoenix was built in 1988, and it had vaulted ceilings, 24 feet high. Cooling 24 feet of space is just insane.

    Of course, the biggest problem with Phoenix isn’t the buildings themselves, it’s the city pattern. Huge, wide roadways and hardscape. Low-density sprawl. The utility companies won’t let trees grow to shade the roads. Gigantic parking minimums. Huge setbacks. Every decision is just an environmental nightmare.

  36. 36.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 18, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    I’m sad that this started while I have a meeting ongoing. I hope it’s still going when I finish in 15 minutes :(

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 7:34 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: have you asked for the zoom link?

  38. 38.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 18, 2023 at 7:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: I did not, no :

    If it’s any trouble, don’t worry about it. I’ll catch up later and just start working on dinner a little early.

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 7:39 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: send email to watergirl at balloon-juice.com and I will send you the link.

  40. 40.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2023 at 7:50 pm

    We’re going an extra 30 minutes – to 8:30, so it’s not too late if you want to join.  send me email.

  41. 41.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 18, 2023 at 8:12 pm

    @Elizabelle: ​ 

    That pretty much nails it.

  42. 42.

    Manyakitty

    July 18, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    @Elizabelle: there’s already a problem with domestic terrorists attacking power stations and transformers. Beyond stupid.

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