Do any of you know the answer to this?
In the NFL, what are the rules regarding coaches challenging the spot of the ball?
With challenges, when the challenge is made and the coach is shown to be correct, the team does not lose a time-out. What if the coach challenges the spot of the ball, and the refs agree after reviewing the tape. However, they determine that contrary to what the coach asserts, the spot was too favorable to the chalenging coach and moved backwards, rather than forward as hoped. Does the team still lose a time-out? After all, the coach was right- the spot was wrong.
Thx in advance.
Bob
As I’ve seen it, there is a challenge to the spot. If the spot is good, the challenging coach loses the timeout. Wherever the spot is, if it’s wrong, the coach doesn’t lose the timeout. As I’ve seen it. Otherwise, the coach would be required in advance to say where exactly the spot should be, and that doesn’t happen.
Doug
Seems like the Colts had a challenge were correct that the refs had blown the call, but the determination was that the correct call was less favorable to the Colts. So, they were charged with the time out.
I don’t remember the specifics, though, and certainly can’t vouch for the accuracy of the call.
Far North
It’s all about whether the re-spot results in a first down. The NFL doesn’t want a lot of spot challenges so they limit it to situations where a first down is in dispute. For example, if a coach challenges a spot and after the review, the ball is re-spotted and it results in a first down, then the coach “wins” and isn’t charged a time out. If the re-spot is still short of a first down, the coach losses and is charged a time out.
This happend in the Raiders / Bucs Super Bowl. The Raiders challenged a spot and even though they were right that the ball was originally mis-spotted, it didn’t result in a first down so the Raiders were charged a time out.
It’s kind of a funky rule.
cd6
I remember Butch Davis (most hilarious coach in the NFL, and as a steelers fan, I miss having him around in Cleveland) challenged a spot. The other team was given a first down, Butch thought they didn’t make it. So he threw the flag.
The refs reviewed and decided they hadn’t been generous enough, and gave the other team an additional yard or so, including the first down. However, Butch wasn’t charged a timeout, since he was right in that the refs were wrong.
Far North
NFL officials and the league basically conspire against the Raiders. Remember the “tuck” rule, the Franco Harris immaculate deception and all those bogus personal foul calls against the Silver and Black, it’s just more evidence of a league-wide conpiracy.
Radier players always figure that they’ve spotted opposing teams 3 points due to the officiating.
How’s that for Oliver Stone conspriracy theories?
BTW, I’m just kidding (sort of)
Far North
The above scenaio I was referring to is when the Coach’s team is on offense and the coach thinks his team should got enough yardage for a first down.
Frank
I know this is completely off topic, but I’m wondering, John, if you’re a baseball fan as well (I live and die with baseball). What’s the nearest minor league team to where you are, anyhow?
Dave Ruddell
John, why are you such a lickspittle apologist for the NFL?
Sorry, but this thread had been on for too long without seeing that sort of thing.
John Cole
Frank- Lifelong Pirates fan, so obviously my interest in the sport has waned in recent years.
Far North
Wasn’t the last time the Pirates were good was the ’79 “we are family” tour? “Pops” Stargell rocked.
Tonight my $40 million dollar A’s played the $220 million dollar Yankees. God, I hate the Yankees.
rafael
Pirates huh, heard about the groups asking for Clemente’s number being retired?
cd6
I went to a pirates game friday in pittsburgh and there were as many cubs fans as their were pirates fans. Nomar hit a HR and somehow the cheers drowned out the boos. It’s fucking Nomar. I hate Nomar.
At least the park is nice
Tim F
Don’t know the answer, but I’ll make sure to ask Cowher about it when I see him next Sunday.
Veeshir
There’s a reason the refs conspire agains the Raiders; to quote that eminent footballologist, Lisa Simpson, “And the Raiders, because they always cheat.”
There’s at least one rule in the NFL because of the Raiders’ cheating. The rule about not being able to fumble forward on a kickoff is in direct response to the Raiders. That play was hysterical. Full of all kinds of “oops” as they “fumbled” the ball forward two or three times. It was beautiful. In an underhanded, just-win-baby kind of way.
Now if you want to talk about a team the refs really hate…. That’s the New York Football Giants.
Their favorite team, of course, is the Dallas Fricking Cowboys.
Bastids.
Frank
Far North —
I’m with you on the Yankee hating, believe me. I’m a Mets fan, so I can’t really complain about payroll (but I can complain about systemic incompetence).
The Pirates had a nice go of it in the late 80s before their team broke up — Bonds, Bonilla, Drabek, Smiley … lots of good players, but with Metesque results.
John — I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to be a Pirates fan, as I’m a Democrat.
John Cole
The fumblerooski? (sp?)
Far North
The “Holy Roller” happened late in a Raiders / Chargers game in 1978. On fourth down near the Charger goal line, after being pressured by the pass rush, Kenny Stabler purposely “fumbled” the ball forward. Tight end Dave Casper started kicking the ball toward the end zone. After several kicks, he fell on it in the end zone for a game winning touchdown.
Frank – We got beat by the evil empire last night. God I hate the Yankees (even more this morning).
Frank
Far North —
My sympathies. Honestly, I’m rooting for the Yankees to lose every game they ever play from now until the next Democratic president (i.e.; doomsday).
The Mets got to within 1/2 game of the wildcard last week only to then start their usual plummet out of contention. They remind me of an old girlfriend …