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Great Moments In Law Enforcement, A Continuing Story

by John Cole|  November 30, 20074:52 pm| 53 Comments

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And the taserings continue in earnest:

he FBI is investigating after a Trotwood police officer used a Taser on a pregnant woman.

Trotwood Public Safety Director Michael Etter said the incident happened on Nov. 18. He said the woman arrived at the police department asking to give up custody of her 1-year-old son.

Etter said an officer spoke with the woman as she held onto the child outside the police department.

“(He) attempted to obtain information on both the mother and the child, at which time the mother refused to give any information and became very agitated,” Etter said.

Surveillance video from the police department shows the woman trying to leave with the child. The officer then grabs her coat in an effort to get her to stop.

Etter said the officer was doing what he thought was in the best interest of the boy.

The video shows the woman struggling with the officer, who then takes the child from her and gives the boy to another officer. The first officer then forces the woman down on her stomach, and he then uses a Taser on her neck.

In defense of the officer, she may have been planning to ask a GOP candidate a question in the next debate, so we are glad this was handled quickly and without incident.

*** Update ***

Via Radley, yet another tale of America’s finest at work.

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  1. 1.

    Dug Jay

    November 30, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Per The Gallup organization:

    PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats. This relationship between party identification and reports of excellent mental health persists even within categories of income, age, gender, church attendance, and education.

    The basic data — based on an aggregated sample of more than 4,000 interviews conducted since 2004 — are straightforward.

    Anecdotal evidence drawn from a review of this site and its regulars would strongly suggest that the results reported for Democrats are grossly overstated.

  2. 2.

    Jay

    November 30, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Your Flash player link appears to be broken?

  3. 3.

    Alan

    November 30, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    I don’t see why our law enforcement officers even uses tasers. Why don’t they just use electric cattle prods? Isn’t that what they are using tasers for anyway?

  4. 4.

    James Seidler

    November 30, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    The increasing use of tasers as an easy option to punish civilians or shock them into compliance is really alarming. As I wrote on my blog yesterday, an 82-year-old woman and a man sleeping on his own couch are just a couple recent victims.

  5. 5.

    John Cole

    November 30, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    Anecdotal evidence drawn from a review of this site and its regulars would strongly suggest that the results reported for Democrats are grossly overstated.

    And let’s not forget the left wing bias in statistics! It is probably much worse. Although the thing that would have been nice is if they pointed out what makes us crazy is dealing with wankers like you.

  6. 6.

    r€nato

    November 30, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    well, cattle prods are sorta bulky. Have you ever seen how much gear cops carry on their belt? Taser is kinda like a compact, more portable cattle prod…

    so has anyone checked on the woman’s party affiliation? Or her countertops? Or her kerning?

  7. 7.

    r€nato

    November 30, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    I predict that the election returns in 2008 will also have a clear Democratic bias.

  8. 8.

    r€nato

    November 30, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent

    well Republicans are also significantly more likely to think things in Iraq are going really well.

  9. 9.

    Bill Arnold

    November 30, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    What I don’t understand is why police departments that just want their officers to have a portable torture device don’t issue ordinary stun guns. Tasers are single-shot, right?

  10. 10.

    Bill Arnold

    November 30, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    (ack, duplicated Alan’s thought due to comment lag. )

  11. 11.

    Jake

    November 30, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    Etter said the officer was doing what he thought was in the best interest of the boy.

    The children! Won’t somebody think of the children?!

  12. 12.

    Tsulagi

    November 30, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent

    The numbers no way surprise me. One thing you can say for Republicans is no way in hell they suffer from lack of self esteem. Generally they’re the guys in mom’s dark basement with orange colored skin from all the Cheetos they eat. But positive they’re the next Jack Bauer.

    Here’s a classic poster child for intelligent Republican mental health. That guy never forgets to drink his Brawndo.

  13. 13.

    Bill Arnold

    November 30, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Very cool mosaic of stun guns here.
    My inner evil geek is drawn to either the Blast Knuckles, or the Cell Phone stun guns. But the Double Trouble is probably best for torture purposes.

  14. 14.

    MNPundit

    November 30, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    So time to figure out how to stop them. Is there clothing or some sort of electrical field that can be used to mute or block the charges?

  15. 15.

    rob

    November 30, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    Wow! I am going to have to look in to this. I lived in Trotwood until I graduated from college. I still live in Dayton. I have Miamisburg cop friend I am going to call to see if there is any other info on this.

  16. 16.

    ThymeZone

    November 30, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    (ack, duplicated Alan’s thought due to comment lag. )

    I thought I might have Comment Lag, so I asked my doctor about Crystalis(R) timed release crystal meth.

    Now I can keep up with 25 threads at once and also play four games of chess at the same time. My friends are amazed and a little chagrined that they can’t beat me at board games any more.

    Crystalis(R) may cause night blindness, hematuria, Chunky Stool, gangrene and dizziness while sitting down after standing up, or vice versa.

    As your doctor today about Crystalis(R) timed release crystal methamphetamines. Ask him again and again and again and again until he breaks down and prescribes it for you.

  17. 17.

    ThymeZone

    November 30, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    Did you ask your doctor about Chrystalis(R) yet?

  18. 18.

    Zifnab

    November 30, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    Etter said the officer was doing what he thought was in the best interest of the boy.

    The children! Won’t somebody think of the children?!

    This is nothing. When I was his age, my mother used to tie me up in a burlap sack and beaten with a slab of frozen ribs. And she was the nice parent.

    That boy should be grateful he’s getting off so easy. And he should go out and get a job. What’s a one-year-old doing getting dumped off at a police station? Freak’n welfare anchor baby.

  19. 19.

    STEVEinSC

    November 30, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    I don’t see why our law enforcement officers even uses tasers. Why don’t they just use electric cattle prods? Isn’t that what they are using tasers for anyway?

    They don’t use cattle prods because there’s the stand-off factor to consider.

  20. 20.

    Jeff

    November 30, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    What happened to those laws where parents can drop off their child at any hospital, fire station or police station, no questions asked, to avoid the babies being thrown in the garbage. Or is that only for newborns?

  21. 21.

    bob

    November 30, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    It seems more and more that the police are just another gang of thugs.

  22. 22.

    STEVEinSC

    November 30, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    Once upon a time in bad old liberal days we had police as negotiators to resolve crises without violence. We’re post 9/11 now, in the macho conservative times, and instead of negotiations we have trigger-happy snipers on the roof.

  23. 23.

    capelza

    November 30, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    The taser is becoming more of a weapon of punishment against someone, be it a pregnant woman, a first grader or a blind elderly woman….not about catching or restraining a suspect, but rather inflicting it on someone that irritated the cops….it is ridiculous.

    Jeff, there are laws like that, but I’m not sure they are nationwide.

  24. 24.

    BFR

    November 30, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent

    I’d suspect this is a case of correlation not exactly equaling causality. I’m guessing religious affiliation & intensity is probably the actual driving factor – I don’t recall where but I think I’ve read somewhere that deeply religious people tend to be happier, which I would presume would also translate to a better image of their own mental health.

    Whether this is because they’re actually happier/saner or not is a different story.

  25. 25.

    Dreggas

    November 30, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls.

    Well Of course they do, they also think they’re napoleon.

  26. 26.

    Dreggas

    November 30, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    DON’T TAZE MY FETUS BRO!

  27. 27.

    F

    November 30, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    Ohhh, Ohhh, I know what I’m getting for Christmas.

    Thanks for the link Bill.

  28. 28.

    Bill Arnold

    November 30, 2007 at 7:00 pm

    The future will soon bring us a genuine pain gun. I wonder how a civilian version of this in a belt-attachable form factor will be justified to taxpayers by police departments in the U.S.. The worldwide market for these, perhaps combined with a stun gun, will be huge.

  29. 29.

    srv

    November 30, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    I think y’all are rushing to judgement here. Maybe the fetus knew something about a terrorist attack.

  30. 30.

    Cindrella Ferret

    November 30, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    That’s why we have a 2nd Amendment. It has become necessary to protect ourselves from the government.

    Well Of course they do, they also think they’re napoleon.

    Napoleon indeed. But, the French are back in vogue with the Real Americans now that someone more to their liking has taken over the Presidency of France. By the way, does anyone know if we can start eating French Fries again? American Fries are good but I did prefer the French version. (Those damn Frenchies sure do know food. Hot Damn!)

  31. 31.

    srv

    November 30, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    The future will soon bring us a genuine pain gun. I wonder how a civilian version of this in a belt-attachable form factor will be justified to taxpayers by police departments in the U.S.. The worldwide market for these, perhaps combined with a stun gun, will be huge.

    The future’s so bright, I gotta wear a farraday cage.

  32. 32.

    Jason E

    November 30, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Dug Jay Says:

    Per The Gallup organization:

    PRINCETON, NJ—Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats. This relationship between party identification and reports of excellent mental health persists even within categories of income, age, gender, church attendance, and education.

    The basic data—based on an aggregated sample of more than 4,000 interviews conducted since 2004—are straightforward.

    Anecdotal evidence drawn from a review of this site and its regulars would strongly suggest that the results reported for Democrats are grossly overstated.

    What the hell was the point of that? What does that have to do with tasering a pregnant woman? Have you been sitting on that little gem all day, and just had to post it somewhere no matter how little (if anything) it had to do with the subject at hand. That’s pretty cute.

    I don’t suppose the higher “sanity” number for Republicans could be because they’re arrogant assholes who always assume they’re right and never question themselves or their assumptions about the world? Nah, couldn’t be…

  33. 33.

    The Pirate

    November 30, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    This is one instant of tasering I think was clearly justified. The woman was clearly resisting arrest.

  34. 34.

    Dennis - SGMM

    November 30, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    So time to figure out how to stop them. Is there clothing or some sort of electrical field that can be used to mute or block the charges?

    Police-issue Tasers use a powder charge to fire two barbed darts through clothing and into the skin. The darts pull one wire each, from the Taser cartridge, behind them. The officer can then trigger as many jolts as he or she sees fit from the battery in the Taser. The cartridge itself can be reloaded in less than five seconds. The only defense it to attempt to drop and roll in the hopes that you break the connection between the darts and the Taser. Once you’re jolted you temporarily lose muscle control so you have to try to break the connection between jolts.

    I’m a civilian employee of our local police department. Thankfully, our police are thoughtful, humane, community-based, cops who use force as a last resort.

  35. 35.

    PhoenixRising

    November 30, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    parents can drop off their child at any hospital, fire station or police station, no questions asked, to avoid the babies being thrown in the garbage

    Yeah, that’s for newborns. Once the umbilical stump is gone, it’s child abandonment…which is why your local firehouse isn’t a holding tank for mouthy 13 year olds.

    Here’s my foolproof idea: Raise Christmas money by holding up cash registers in Trotwood, Ohio. Where the cops are such wusses they can’t subdue a pregnant crazy lady who’s holding a toddler. Or once she’s put down the toddler, whichever, they’re clearly not trained to stop actual crime.

    Can somebody link me to the recipe for the foil vest?

  36. 36.

    jcricket

    November 30, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    DON’T TAZE MY SNOWFLAKE BABY BRO!

    With apologies to Queen

    Don’t taze me now… i’m having such a good time, I’m having a ball.
    Don’t taze me now…

  37. 37.

    kid bitzer

    November 30, 2007 at 8:46 pm

    actually, what i find worrisome is that tasers may actually be reducing the violence level, not raising it.

    maybe in the old days the cop would have just shot her, and then concocted a story.
    that’s certainly what the chicago cops used to do. routinely.
    and on the whole, a tasing hurts less than a slug in the skull.

  38. 38.

    RSA

    November 30, 2007 at 9:26 pm

    Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls.

    Similarly:

    The international test results from 2003 and related surveys from 46 countries show that the world’s most confident eighth-grade math students are found in the Middle East, Africa and the United States. Of the 10 countries with the highest levels of student confidence, only Israel and the United States scored higher than average on the international test, and their scores were far below those of the much less confident students in Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

    Not to mention:

    Surveying drivers, the Swedish researcher Ola Svenson found that 80% of respondents rated themselves in the top 30% of all drivers.[1] Asking college students about their popularity, Zuckerman and Jost (2001) showed that most students judged themselves to be “more popular than average”.[2]

    So much for self-assessment surveys of performance.

  39. 39.

    chopper

    November 30, 2007 at 9:54 pm

    come on, this woman was asking for it. she was clearly pregnant.

  40. 40.

    Perry Como

    November 30, 2007 at 10:10 pm

    Anecdotal evidence drawn from a review of this site and its regulars would strongly suggest that the results reported for Democrats are grossly overstated.

    Don’t mentally ill people often consider themselves “normal”?

    Let’s go to the granite counter tops!

  41. 41.

    Jess

    November 30, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Re: Dug Jay

    No one is really all that mentally healthy, especially in America, but sociopaths are more likely than most to deny their psychosis.

  42. 42.

    Fledermaus

    December 1, 2007 at 12:03 am

    In other news dog bites man film at 11:

    On November 23, two men lay handcuffed on the ground near the intersection of Northeast 45th Street and University Way. A crowd gathered in front of the nearby Sureshot Cafe and, according to witnesses, watched as two officers held one of the men down while another officer bashed the man’s head into the pavement “10 or 15 times.”

  43. 43.

    Jon H

    December 1, 2007 at 12:03 am

    “They don’t use cattle prods because there’s the stand-off factor to consider.”

    Yeah, cops are chickenshits. Scared of everything.

  44. 44.

    Jon H

    December 1, 2007 at 12:06 am

    Just wait until the civilian taser guns start being used so casually.

    Also, I seem to be the only person who realizes that a taser gun is an ideal tool for a rapist or child abductor. They can just sit in their van and wait for someone to walk by, and ZAP. The victim is helpless and can be gagged and loaded into the van.

  45. 45.

    Jon H

    December 1, 2007 at 12:11 am

    “maybe in the old days the cop would have just shot her, and then concocted a story.
    that’s certainly what the chicago cops used to do. routinely.
    and on the whole, a tasing hurts less than a slug in the skull.”

    I think that’s the excuse they give. But a light club whack to the knuckles or funny bone would be sufficient in many situations a taser is used now, and far safer for the person who has annoyed the arrogant chickenshit cop.

    Remember when the taser was for use on angeldust-fueled unstoppable maniacs who could not be stopped by batons?

    I guess cops are so wimpy these days they can’t handle a pregnant woman without a taser.

  46. 46.

    Jon H

    December 1, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Uh, just to be clear, when I mention the rapist-tool angle above, I raise the issue thinking it’s a bad thing, and only a matter of time before it starts happening.

    I’m not encouraging the use of tasers in that fashion.

  47. 47.

    Michael D.

    December 1, 2007 at 3:31 am

    I was all for the availability of non-lethal force like tasers, but am I the only one who thinks that police are using it quite liberally? (OMG she looked at me wrong. Bzzzzrrrrttt)

    I’ve seen stories of several people being killed by these things. Ironically, if cops only had guns, we’d probably see less crap coming from them.

    I’m so tired of this bullshit. I want tasers banned. My opinion: Law abiding citizens canhave them. Cops can’t.

  48. 48.

    Robert

    December 1, 2007 at 5:39 am

    The legal requirement is for the use of minimum force. As the woman was already on the ground and the office could readily handcuff her. Instead the officer specifically choose to use his taser as a torture and punishment device, judge, jury and executioner. Clearly an excessive use of force and subject to assault with intent to do bodily harm charges, a person that clearly should not be armed and in a position of authority.

  49. 49.

    Psycheout

    December 1, 2007 at 8:31 am

    Also, I seem to be the only person who realizes that a taser gun is an ideal tool for a rapist or child abductor. They can just sit in their van and wait for someone to walk by, and ZAP. The victim is helpless and can be gagged and loaded into the van.

    Uh, would someone call the police, please?

    I want tasers banned.

    Giuliani’s crony, Bernie Kerik, already made his seven figures ($6.2 million). So I guess he won’t mind.

    Why didn’t I invest in TASER when I had the chance? ::slaps self::

  50. 50.

    Psycheout

    December 1, 2007 at 8:35 am

    Uh, just to be clear, when I mention the rapist-tool angle above, I raise the issue thinking it’s a bad thing, and only a matter of time before it starts happening.

    May I offer you an Aqua Dot? They’re really tasty.

  51. 51.

    Kirk Spencer

    December 1, 2007 at 10:45 am

    I defended – partially – the officer in the traffic stop. This yahoo… no. In addition to things mentioned, I’m aware that the department there has a specific policy prohibition against tasing pregnant women, and she’s visibly pregnant.

  52. 52.

    binzinerator

    December 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    The first officer then forces the woman down on her stomach, and he then uses a Taser on her neck.

    They don’t use cattle prods because there’s the stand-off factor to consider.

    Uh, this woman, just like that don’t-tase-me-bro dood, were zapped like steers in a cattle chute.

    Which leads into the answer to this other question:

    What I don’t understand is why police departments that just want their officers to have a portable torture device don’t issue ordinary stun guns.

    Because stun guns are “cattle prods”. Cattle prods are what fascist thugs use to cow the populace and torture their victims with. And when you say “cattle prod” everyone knows it. The inhumanity is built right into the name. We know using cattle prods on people seems to cross some line of decency. They’re not for people, duh.

    That’s why our cops use tasers. It’s the cattle prod made over for people use. The name itself helps hide the reality of their actions — they can say something like “the subject took a ride with the taser”. As opposed to the effect of this statment: “We used a cattle prod on the neck of a helpless pregnant woman.”

    Easy enough to figure out the advantages to a cop, if they’re the sort who likes to zap people just to show ’em who’s boss.

    Plus, the public, intelligently enough, would get nervous if cops started to walk around with cattle prods swinging from their belts. “Cattle prod” is a mega-clue where civil liberties are going to go.

    Tasers. Even better than cattle prods, and they don’t suffer from all that thug-and-torture baggage and all that negative PR that goes along with it.

    It’s a perfect twofer: The pigs who misuse them don’t look like sadistic fascist thugs, even when they are, and their superiors who cover for them can claim it saves lives.

  53. 53.

    Bill Arnold

    December 1, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Cattle prods are not the same as stun guns. Stun guns (& Tasers) are optimized for immobilization, not pain. From the link I gave,

    Cattle prods are similar to stun guns in design — they apply an electrical current across two electrodes — but they serve a completely different function. A stun gun uses an electrical charge to incapacitate someone, while a cattle prod applies a charge to get a person or animal moving. A cattle prod only causes pain, it does not significantly affect the muscles and nervous system of the body.

    These two devices differ mainly in voltage. The voltage in a stun gun is high enough to dump electricity into the entire body. The lower voltage in a cattle prod only shocks someone at the point of contact.

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