The last one was getting crowded and started to smell of arugula and double-latte.
The Clinton plan now appears to be to ride to victory on the backs of WV, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico. Quit laughing.
Anyone who sends Clinton money tonight might be interested in investing in my fur-bearing trout farm. And did the 100 million dollar couple really take money from a kid who sold his bike and video games?
Now THAT is populism, baby!
*** Update ***
Mon County (from Wheeling, go SE until you see the county on the PA border), my home, is going to Clinton 55-39, a 26 point margin, so maybe my 28 point margin for Clinton of victory was an accurate assessment of my area.
*** Update #2 ***
I am a moron and fail basic math- it is a 16 point margin in Mon County. I have GOT to get some sleep.
*** Update #3 ***
Looks like Poblano might be right again, and this will be a 35+ point margin of victory for Clinton.
*** Update ***
I forgot to mention, the Pens won again and lead the series 3-0. Suck it, Philly. Thank god for picture in picture, btw.
r€nato
Her campaign actually sent out a memo titled, “Why West Virginia Matters”.
Just wondering… does she keep a list of, “States That Are Dead To Me”???
r€nato
Pre-emptive counter-measure: Please don’t feed the goat-fucking Hillary troll. Thank you.
4jkb4ia
Sheesh. This is an entire rout. HRC is winning even the Obama demographic groups, and half are saying he is not honest and trustworthy.
Also 2 in 10 were willing to say that race was important. 1 in 10 or 2 in 10 is not enough to tar all HRC supporters as racist. The attacks on Obama as not being patriotic or being a Muslim are not racial code. They arouse fear of anyone who is different.
cleek
this election fucking sucks. the Party had better get rid of this superdelegate nonsense and let the people pick the fucking nominee. and they should compress the schedule so that it doesn’t take six months.
if they don’t, i’m going to stomp my foot and wiggle my skinny fist at them.
r€nato
Well, you know what they say: as West Virginia goes, so goes the nation.
Or, not.
AkaDad
John McCain: Older Than Hawaii
cleek
funny how the voters in the state 100 miles south had no problem with any of that, just a few days ago.
Davis X. Machina
Thank God it’s only xenophobia, and not something worse.
dr. bloor
She should bring Jerry Lewis out to sing “You’ll Never Walk Alone” after she wins Kentucky.
Splitting Image
“Anyone who sends Clinton money tonight might be interested in investing in my fur-bearing trout farm. And did the 100 million dollar couple really take money from a kid who sold his bike and video games?”
Reminds me of an interview with Mike Huckabee where he talked about a woman who didn’t have any money contributing a ring, shoving it in his hands and running off before he could refuse it. He was apparently still trying to find her to give it back.
Huckabee could be lying through his teeth about the incident of course, but at least he knows what sort of stories sound good and which ones don’t.
Splitting Image
Childers still leading in Mississippi 52% to 48%. Hang in there.
Splitting Image
Childers still leading in Mississippi 52% to 48% with 70% counted. Hang in there.
Martin
Just read Josh:
Now I really want to know how closely Clinton support and tooth loss correlate. I think she was way off on the gas tax and should have gone for something periodontal instead.
Blue Buddha
Hey, wasn’t that a scene in “Brotherhood of the Wolf” (Le Pacte des Loups)?
Anyway, I still don’t see where Hillary will win big in PR. I’ve only seen a couple of polls from there, and they were putting her at a slight lead. At this point, she really needs to get at least a 50 point lead in every state to even catch up. And as for WV, all this did was make up for all the superdelegates that Obama gained within the past week.
TheFountainHead
Mmmmmmm, arugula.
Shit, if I eat my arugula with a Blue Moon, do I still qualify as an elitist??
r€nato
I just watched it (again) a week ago. Great flick. Far better with subtitles than dubbed.
Halteclere
I received a Hillary Clinton donation solicitation in the mail today, which I found interesting. I am on some different political mailing lists, but had not received anything that I can recall from Clinton before. Anyway, the solicitation claimed that the race was “neck and neck”.
Yea, on paper maybe.
Blue Buddha
Any foriegn film is far better with subtitles than dubbed. Well there are a few exceptions, such as “Kung Fu” movies.
The Grand Panjandrum
52-39 = 26? Under what field axioms?
Go, Travis, go!
cleek
blotter paper, maybe.
r€nato
it actually is pretty close; historically, I don’t think any party primary has gone this late into the year for, um, a really long time.
Still, it’s also true that Hillary simply can’t catch Obama. It’s like a game of bowling, we’re on the third ball of the tenth frame and Hillary is 20 pins back. No matter how well she does, she ain’t catching him.
Keith
John,
Check your math on your county; it’s closer than you calculate (or your #s are incorrect)
dr. bloor
Frames 1,3,6,7 and 9 don’t matter.
cleek
and what are all those black people doing on the other team ??
zzyzx
MS 1 called! W00T!
4jkb4ia
Sure. But Obama can overcome xenophobia. He can take steps to see that people feel as if they know him and he personally is not like those other scary foreigners. He can also emphasize common values and policy goals. Obama cannot overcome people who will not vote for any black person.
PeterJ
AP and Will Bardwell have called MS-01 for Childers :D
Dreggas
love him or hate him, Chucklebee is at least honest
TR
You have it all wrong. Hillary didn’t want to knock over those bowling pins. A race-pimping thug like Obama might get pleasure knocking over stiff white objects with red necks, but Hillary knows that they’re really the backbone of this great nation.
John Cole
You are right. I am rolling on 2-3 hours sleep a night for the past six days.
dr. bloor
Very well played, indeed.
cleek
on the bright side, the latest polls at 538 (not the running average, but the latest of the set) for FL and OH show Obama losing to McCain by just one point. he’s closing the gap there. and he’s ahead in PA.
4jkb4ia
Whether people believe an attack doesn’t necessarily mean that that attack appeals to racism per se.
Dreggas
listening to the exit poll breakdown, they’re sounding like stereotypical hicks…sorry john.
4jkb4ia
Woot!
Idiotic
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The Other Steve
I just clicked on your link to the Dancing Outlaw, and followed some of the links to videos.
And, uhh… What the Fuck? My reaction would not be politically correct.
TR
If you’re still suffering from insomnia, try this — pick a color, and then run through broad categories trying to name as many things as you can that are that color. So pick red, and then go with foods (tomato, apple, pasta sauce…), and when that runs dry, go with animals (ladybug, cardinal…) and on and on.
It’s interesting enough to keep your mind occupied (unlike counting sheep) but neutral enough to avoid thinking about things that might get you stressed out.
Works for me, at least.
Splitting Image
Tonight’s top story: Republicans lose in Mississippi. G.O.P. officially fcuked.
In other news, Democrats push Mississippi off of front pages with West Virginia primary.
Soylent Green
He also will not win over people who are frightened by the letters h, u, s, e, i, and n.
ThymeZone
Special election in Mississippi goes to Dem congressional candidate, in solid Republican district … after GOP tried to use Obama as scarecrow to frighten away voters from Dem candidate.
MSNBC and their new pundit, Mike Huckabee, called it earthshaking and a sign of what the GOP is in for this fall.
Kids, it’s a Dem year. It’s Obama’s year. Tonight won’t even be remembered a month from now.
Mister Magoo, aka John McCain, is in for a long five months.
Conservatively Liberal
Maybe they meant “She has the races at each other’s necks.”
nightjar
You have to hand it to the Hill, she acts like she’s made it to heaven riding the wind on a white horse, (a white working horse that is). Of course the rest of us are ready to jump off a bridge, but I guess maybe we should let her have her hayride as long as she doesn’t run her wagon over Obama. Hurry up Puerto Rico!
PK
Hillary did not do WV any favors. Thanks to her the entire conversation the whole of last week seems to be: WV is a state full of old, racist, ignorant, uneducated bigots.
On the positive side I did not hear anything about inbreeding.
PeterJ
So I guess Obama gained a new super delegate with Childers?
Dreggas
Yeah, that’s the headline pretty much
ThymeZone
I know where the blog lives and everything, and I know some people need sleep … but …
Day-um, West Virginia is one hopelessly backward and ignorant bunch of people. I mean, Christ.
In what vision of America is WV necessary? Or even desirable? Is it like Iraq … we need the coal?
C’mon, WTF? How can that vote be so lopsided?
Aw fuck it, I don’t really care. The state is just an anachronism, like Byrd. A strange lens into the past.
Conservatively Liberal
Damn, you people are on a hot streak tonight. LMAO!
nightjar
The mighty MUP ain’t scared of no scarecrow.
TR
I doubt it. There was never any actual connection (even a meeting) between Childers and Obama, so hard to say how he’ll go.
Though I know the area, and Hillary is probably about as popular with local voters as the secret black Muslim black terrorist agent who walks the earth under the name of Barack Obama.
dr. bloor
Gotta save something for Kentucky.
TR
Thanks. It helps when the audience is doing bong hits, though.
Oregon Guy
The funniest fucking thing I’ve read all day, from Dana Milbank:
TheFountainHead
I taint your Open Thread with the rantings of His44! Bwuahahaha!!
Bot LaBeer
Just a petty bitch about David Gregory (MSNBC):
Is Missouri pronounced Miz-Ur-A or Miz-Ur-Ee? Gregory used both pronunciations in the same sentence.
And a big time tip of the cap to Travis Childers and the Mississippi Democratic party on their victory in a R+10 district !!
Oregon Guy
Oh, fergot teh link. I think Milbank’s been reading Teh Sadly…
Milbank on Clinton’s big win
TR
Taint is right. They all seem damn near close to assholes.
Dreggas
TFH,
I don’t want what they are smoking.
TheFountainHead
It is truly surreal over there. I mean, it makes RedState look like a Reality Based Community.
Soylent Green
Hillary’s crushing victory in WV is the wake-up call for superdelegates that we’ve been waiting for. At last they can get off the fence and stop supporting the weaker candidate.
Conservatively Liberal
Sad really, but right or wrong, they have the right to express their opinions with their vote. They count, just like the votes of everyone else. TZ is almost right about it being a strange lens into the past. We wish the past was the past, but for some it is still the present. Thank goodness they are in the minority.
I just wish that it was otherwise, but I knew it would not be. By campaigning against Obama, rather than focusing on McCain, all Hillary did was accentuate the race problem in our country by giving some people the justification not to vote for her, but rather to vote against Obama. I agree with John, neither Hillary or Barack will not win WV in the general. I will bet that a considerable number of WV voters who chose her today won’t do so in the fall.
The Other Steve
Both are acceptable. Miz-Ur-A is very common rural pronunciation.
Sort of like I-O-Way.
Notorious P.A.T.
I say we take up a collection and buy the kid a new bike. Poor kid.
You know, if you win WV, you win the presidency. Kind of makes you wonder why the other states bother having primaries at all.
And you know what? That’s the kind of question that people usually answer with complete honesty.
Dreggas
that’s been the case with her and her supporters for a while now.
Just Some Fuckhead
Lead in the water.
t jasper parnell
I have said this elsewhere; however, I wish again to go on record congratulating Hillary Clinton for taking a young boy’s bicycle.
cleek
Marshall has a long one up now.
go look!
Notorious P.A.T.
Wasn’t that a beautiful day?
LittleBit
Actually, both are correct, but Gregory should just pick one.
Soylent Green
It’s where I’m from. Ur-Ee in urban areas, Ur-A in most rural areas. Smart politicians alter their pronunciation depending on audience being addressed.
Pet peeve here on the left coast. It’s Oruhgun, not Oruhgahn, and Nevadda, not Nevahda. Drives me nuts to hear them switch back and forth on every episode of CSI.
t jasper parnell
I just moved to MO and my informants use the Miz – Ur -a pronunciation to mock the Missourians who they view as morons. People who leave, rightly I think, call it Misery.
TheFountainHead
Marshall’s post pretty much nails it on the head.
Just Some Fuckhead
Kinda ironic to see Bill Clinton blustering about where the “wind blows hardest.”
Notorious P.A.T.
That is freaking amazing. Clinton really is the Candidate of Appalachia.
A disconcertingly high number of counties where she won big are here in Michigan. Dang, I hope that’s because Obama wasn’t on the ballot.
SteveinSC
The issue is not so much that the Dem primary has pushed the Mississippi news onto the backburner. The Dems are not the ones who are scanning the backpages to find out the talley. It’s the repukes. Three in a row. Now that’s got to hurt and cause more than a little running around, hitting walls, panic, and maybe the final shove to give bush and co. the heave-ho. I can’t wait to observe any of these guys trying to save their asses with some “come-to-Jesus” moments tomorrow.
ThymeZone
So, Marshall cites 200 and 150-year old history to explain the strangeness of West Virginia.
Like I said, a strange lens into the past. If only it would, like the past, just fade away and be replaced with the new.
myiq2xu
And it’s Cal-a-forn-ya, not Cal-ee-for-nee-a like our Governator pronounces it.
SteveinSC
I heard in Colorado they pronounce California as “Cali-forn-i-cate”.
Oregon Guy
So I read that Taylor Marsh used to do pron.
Is there any substance to that? Because – hilarious, if true.
Only one question – hot or not?
Ninerdave
So goddamn petty. Just like her not acknowledging his wins earlier in the campaign.
Of course this is coming from the loony bin, so maybe she did pickup after all.
The Other Steve
Q: What would happen if Iowa gave the bottom two rows of counties to Missouri?
A: It’d raise the average IQ of both states by 50 points.
Ninerdave
There’s a porn joke in here somewhere…
Davis X. Machina
A disconcertingly high number of counties where she won big are here in Michigan.
May have happened even if Obama was on the ballot.
There was a major migration out of Appalachia into Michigan in the heyday of the US auto industry.
Dreggas
It’s Appalachia and having watched a documentary on the region on the History channel (narrated by Billy Ray Cyrus No less) it is a blast from the past and hasn’t changed much.
The Other Steve
Well, she’s not terribly bright. If she really wanted to make a name for herself, she’d have waited to figure out who was on top. Not support the loser.
After this nomination is over, nobody will ever read her blog.
Soylent Green
She already has a bicycle but has been jonesin’ for some video games.
The bike should be up on ebay soon.
Ninerdave
More from Millbank:
You know all blue collar white workers have two people assisting them by carrying their money.
Soylent Green
To my ear he says “Gully vornia.”
The Grand Panjandrum
Heh.
Blue Buddha
Initial numbers are showing that Hillary got 19 delegates and Obama 9 from WV. This puts her up by ten. Now compare this to the number of superdelegates Obama gained (at least ten) over Hillary within the past week.
It ain’t a victory if your losing margin still widened between last Tuesday and today.
The Other Steve
I think Marshall is right. I’m not an expert, but having visited both regions in my life… the Appalachians are very similar to the Ozarks in Arkansas where the Clinton’s ruled for so long.
I don’t know who settled into the Ozarks, but that backwoods Deliverance hillbilly attitude seems to exist in both.
tBone
By accepting video game donations from impressionable youth, Hillary is doing her part to clean up the culture. In contrast, the Obama campaign is encouraging his supporters to steal Grand Theft Auto IV and then spend hours upon hours killing virtual hookers. That’s why he can’t win in November.
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Bot LaBeer
Markos wrote about the Appalachian issue in the wake of the PA primary (using the same graphics as Marshall did today) and although it made sense at the time, it really didn’t gain much (if any) traction in the media or the blogs.
The quandry seems to be that even if we can diagnose the problem we can’t solve the disease. Obama could have Robert Byrd as his veep and still get his clock cleaned in WV in November.
So you write it off.
Campaigning in Appalachia is nothing more than a cheap attempt to pander to the lowest common denomiator of society.
Appalachia must heal itself.
The Grand Panjandrum
Dayam! Childers is going to win his race by 8 pts. Turnout was about 64000 in the first election and its look to be 105000+ for this runoff. Good thing Bush gave up golf it seems to be helping out the party.
Soylent Green
Superdelegates? I ain’t got to show you no steenking superdelegates!
Conservatively Liberal
Fixed. ;)
That Milbank column is brutal in its honesty. Ouch.
Martin
Holy shit!
WV needs to get a fucking TV station. Exit polls:
Most Likely to Win in NovemberClinton (62%)
Obama (35%)
Importance of Bill Clinton Campaigning
Important (62%)
Again, about 10% of voters voted for her, but will vote for McCain if she is the Dem nominee. Big ‘anyone but Obama’ vote.
The Other Steve
Fascinating… John Yoo thinks Congress should impeach Bush. He argues it is Constitutional. The phrase “High Crimes and Misdemeanors” came from the British, and the Brits have a history of removing office holders for being bad leaders.
demimondian
In fact, the Arkansas Ozarks were largely settled by people who moved west out of Appalachia, accounting for the similarities in accent and culture between the two areas. You should understand, though, that Arkansas comprises four quite distinctive regions, and the Ozarks (up in the Northwest) are not Clinton’s powerbase; Hope is in the extreme Southwest.
b. hussein canuckistani
Her campaign is totally following the balloon with its eyes!
Lynne
Don’t get too excited about Childers’ win in the Mississippi 1 special election. Travis Childers is a very, very conservative Democrat, i.e., pro-life and pro-gun, etc. I don’t think he’ll be voting with the democratic caucus on too terribly many issues (at least not if he wants to win the regular election in November) He probably makes Jim Webb seem like a flaming liberal. Greg Davis’ biggest problem was location, location, location. He is the mayor of Southaven, a Memphis suburb, and the rest of the district is extremely rural. He was considered by many to be the the “city slicker” and was not believed by those voters to have the best interests of the rest of the district at heart. Childers ran his campaign based on this us vs. them idea. The two of them will face off again in November. It will be interesting to see the results then.
The Other Steve
Article in NYTimes about Robert Gates, talking about weapons systems and our capabilities.
Basically he says the military should be building systems necessary for this war, not the next one. Whatever that next war is, what we’ll need is likely what we need now. i.e. probably not fancy fighter planes but more likely armored troop transports.
I have to give some credit. This was the first guy Bush has hired who seems to actually have a fucking clue. He must have been recommended to Bush by the Democratic Congress, cause there’s no way Bush could have possibly picked him on his own.
Kevin
Goddamn elitist. She should have been spraying Cheez Whiz straight into her mouth while downing a can of Grain Belt beer, the way real ‘merkins do it.
4jkb4ia
That 10 to 20 percent are the shameless bigots. Of course there are some bigots who don’t admit their racism even to themselves. If that is Hillary’s support, Obama does not have a chance, because there are far more bigots to be found among Republicans.
Dreggas
was prolly brie too
The Other Steve
Ahh, when I think of Arkansas I think of only the Ozarks.
But then that’s probably because it’s the only part of the state I’ve actually visited.
Someone from Arkansas once told me that they were glad Mississippi existed, as it helped to keep them from placing last on state rankings. :-)
Bot LaBeer
Unless the GOP reinvents itself in monumental proportions and the American public at large has a mass amnesiatic episode, allowing it to forget who’s responsible for the past 8+ years, the results in November won’t be any different than the results here in May.
4jkb4ia
Good comment by Lynne.
Ninerdave
Unfortunately we are too stoopid to do so and the time for impeachment has long passed.
MelodyMaker
Cole, you rock.
I’m sittin here thinkin: Did Neil Young ever write a song explicitly or tangentially about WV? Still thinkin. I’ll ask him next time, maybe suggest Balloon Juice for a title.
The Grand Panjandrum
I think Gates is an old Bush (41) ally and was persuaded by Bush consigliere James Baker to take the job. An offer he couldn’t refuse, as it were.
jnfr
I like this site generally, but the primary wars, here and elsewhere, don’t interest me, so I’m not dropping by much. Forgive me for not wading through the long, deeply obnoxious threads on WV tonight.
The interesting thing to me is the Dem win in Mississippi. I have lots of family there, including my only brother, and this third Dem win of a House seat that has been Republican for ages is encouraging to me, very much so.
These conversations, not so much.
olvr
The interesting thing to me is how jnfr just knew the thread was deeply obnoxious, without even bothering to wade through it!
SamFromUtah
For what? Following Yoo’s advice?
Pelikan
I usually just think about boobs.
Soylent Green
Okay, well, thanks for dropping by, buzzkill.
nightjar
Good for a chuckle.. Talkleft
Obama is so fortunate to be the recipient of teh HC greatness. Guiding from behind is what losers are best at, I guess.
Cain
I will be doing some canvassing for Obama this saturday here in Beaverton, OR. Woohoo!! First time I’ve ever really done anything political other than yuk it up here.
The MUP is going to do well here if the polls are correct.
cain
Brachiator
Given some of the WV pre-primary and exit poll comments, there is something eerily symbolic about this statement.
The jokes kinda write themselves on this one.
You don’t even have to insert anything.
More seriously, Senator Clinton will no doubt making the media rounds with coy insinuations that her greater… appeal… to this crowd makes her more electable than Obama.
Amazing the degree to which bland exploitation of divisiveness contrasts with John F. Kennedy’s bold challenge in 1960 (JFK’s Speech on His Religion):
Substitute themes of race for religion in the last part of this passage, and I think you get a fair sense of where we are.
John Cole
I am just glad my state is done being portrayed as a freak show for another twelve years or so. Until we lose some more miners or have another flood, the media is gone.
Splitting Image
“Don’t get too excited about Childers’ win in the Mississippi 1 special election. Travis Childers is a very, very conservative Democrat, i.e., pro-life and pro-gun, etc. I don’t think he’ll be voting with the democratic caucus on too terribly many issues (at least not if he wants to win the regular election in November) He probably makes Jim Webb seem like a flaming liberal. Greg Davis’ biggest problem was location, location, location. He is the mayor of Southaven, a Memphis suburb, and the rest of the district is extremely rural. He was considered by many to be the the “city slicker” and was not believed by those voters to have the best interests of the rest of the district at heart. Childers ran his campaign based on this us vs. them idea. The two of them will face off again in November. It will be interesting to see the results then.”
As happy as I am to see the Democrats take the election there, it’s really more of a morale booster than anything. As you say, the Republicans could retake the seat in November. However, it does show how much trouble the G.O.P. is in right now. If they don’t get their act together, they are going to go down hard.
Equally important, the election reveals the true reason Clinton is still hanging on trying to win the primary. You don’t need any conspiracy theories about trying to damage Obama or pushing for 2012. It’s simply that she knows just as much as Obama how weak the G.O.P. is.
The winner of the Democratic primary gets the glory of squashing McCain like a bug. The loser… doesn’t.
The Democrats will never have a better chance to pay the Republicans back for 1972 and 1984, and you can’t blame either one of them for wanting the privilege of leading the charge.
Bot LaBeer
Jesus H…
nightjar
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, infr. And kiss my obnoxious ass.
Bot LaBeer
Link to VetVoice story about Bush’s ultimate sacrifice.
What a fuckin’ turd.
PeterJ
Lynne, incumbency is a big plus, even if it’s just a couple of months. Also this adds another seat that the NCCC has to spend money on, and they don’t have a lot of money. Since this is a really red district, they might decide to use money that would have been used for a less red district and then a democrat might get elected in the district not receiving money. A democrat that might be more of your liking.
Finally this adds to the gloom of doom for the republicans, which for example will make it harder from them to raise money.
So you should be excited about the win in MS-01.
SamFromUtah
What a fuckin’ turd.
The real hell of it is, he’s lying about not playing golf. No, I don’t have any proof.
Splitting Image
“Thanks for sharing your thoughts, infr. And kiss my obnoxious ass.”
I’d rather kiss Ann Coulter’s obnoxious ass.
At least her shit doesn’t stink.
demimondian
You’re right, Lynne — I doubt that Childers is entirely to my liking. As I see it, his voting record will be a lot better than an R from the same district would be. So, which is better: half a loaf, or none?
jnfr
Have at it, guys, and thanks for making my point so clear.
Garrigus Carraig
Also in W.Va. tonight, McCain 76, Huckabee 10, Paul 5. Not sure if it’s meaningful, but I do like the McCain
Bot LaBeer
From the VetVoice article they link to Blue Girl, Red State:
Then CBS News:
So it’s all just more of the same old refried bullshit.
Delia
Here is a link to recent Oregon polls. Numbers run 54-43 to 55-35, all in Obama’s favor. And we’ve got more delegates than W. V, too. But, hey, we probably don’t count. People here drink a lot of coffee, and they like good coffee. Even truck drivers and construction workers drink espresso here. Home Depot in Oregon has an espresso bar. And they serve really good coffee there. There are drive-through coffee shacks on every other street corner. So Clinton’s operatives diss the coffee drinkers at their own risk. That’s probably why they lost Washington state. Also it was still winter, when people need caffeine to get through the long rainy nights.
But, hey. Winter’s over. The sun’s out. I turned in my ballot today. The MUP will triumph and the West will prevail.
nightjar
We forgive you/ Now go away.
Soylent Green
Look, bozo, you waltzed in here to inform us that we are failing to entertain you. What do you think this is, cable TV? Get lost, putz.
kwAwk
You guys have to admit this is high comedy for a political junkie. The presumptive Democratic nominee, all but coronated by the pundit class getting spanked in a swing state by 41%. Hillary Clinton picks up 140,000 in the popular vote in West Virginia in all places.
Admit it though. If this had happened to a Repub you guys would finally be coming around to the notion that that party was in trouble in November. Especially considering that Obama is in for a similar spanking next week in Kentucky.
Thats okay though I guess. Obama is playing the race card again by spreading around to the newspapers the incidents of his campaign staff being treated poorly. Which is wrong for sure, but I’m sure it is just coincidental that it appeared in the NYT today. I wonder what juicy tidbit relating to racism we’ll learn next week after Kentucky?
It does though look like avowed Clinton hater Maureen Dowd is finally figuring it out, though like a good O-bot she finds her way to blame Clinton for all Obama’s failings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/opinion/14dowd-1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Diffident debutante indeed.
:)
myiq2xu
Hillary 67% Obama 26% with 94% of the votes counted.
That’s a 41 pt margin of victory. That is a massive repudiation of a “presumptive nominee”
Does this mean that Barack’s self-coronation on May 20th will be postponed?
Lynne
Delia,
Everyone knows that coffee is o.k.- it’s only drinking latte that makes you an effete liberal! :)
p.lukasiak
FORTY ONE PERCENT!!!!!
Talk about your MASSIVE repudiation! Mr. “presumptive nominee” and all his media enablers just got his ass kicked.
*******
oh, and Mr Presumptive Nominee, and how much better he is in the western states… um, not so much.
it turns out that Nebraska is having a primary today, and there is a presidential beauty contest on the ballot.
Don’t worry. With 85% of the precincts reporting, Mr “I can win in the west and Hillary can’t” is winning, by 2700 votes. (and McCain is getting about 2.5 times the number of votes as Obama….)
GO BARRY!!!!
Conservatively Liberal
That just makes it too hard to sleep.
JGabriel
Sam from Utah:
But you were right. Bush claimed to give up golfing in August 2003, but CBS records show that he was playing it up until October 2003, pretty much the end of golf season one assumes.
So what we really have here is: start a war in March 2003, wait a year to decide that maybe restarting that golf routine looks a little insensitive.
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Dreggas
listen to these shrill idiots gloat over WV when it doesn’t change the math in the slightest.
Bot LaBeer
Barack Obama’s response to Travis Childers’ victory:
I wish he would have phrased it as “failed Republican policies”. Putting this disaster all on Chimpy lets his bootlickers off the hook.
scarshapedstar
Tonight, at Adult Trivia, I named my team “I Will Unite The Democratic Party By Being The Lucky Pierre In An Obama-Hillary Threesome.”
We won the naming contest.
I thought it was clever.
Oh, yeah, and… 41%!?!?
Chuck Butcher
You know, I live in 2CD “Orygun” (btw) which is Republican. I have no idea how this will split Barack/Hillary in my CD. I’d say the chances of a D win in the General are slim. Mostly what I’ll work toward for Nov is to minimize the damage from here versus the rest of the state. I also wouldn’t go anywhere else.
I don’t know much about W VA since I’ve never lived there but I’ll be damned if I’ll take political disagreements to be the entire measure of a place. I can tell you that a lot of us hicks look at the cities and don’t see sophistication and success, we see something entirely different. But then you’ll tell us that adult citizens aren’t reponsible with firearms because YOU aren’t, and a few other little goodies like that.
So, while you kick the snot out of West Virginians why don’t you ask them how often they shoot each other or maybe how many gang turf wars they have? It ain’t about better than, it is about different. What do you want to be UWV is a class act?
Lynne
As far as the Childers win is concerned, yes a half loaf is better than none, but the district is very, very conservative, as is the candidate, and the biggest plus is that it will add to the democratic majority in Congress. Hopefully, no bills that libs really care about will come up before the November election, because I doubt Childers would vote with them.
I live in Tennessee, but am in the media market for this race. The ads run by the Republican National Committee were so funny. Apparently, Greg Davis wasn’t running against Travis Childers. If the ads were to be believed, he was running against Obama and his crazy pastor. What was even funnier was Childers running away from Obama as fast as he could – “No, I don’t know him. No, he didn’t endorse me”. In red state conservative democrat speak – “I’m not liberal like him, whoever he is”.
JGabriel
PLuk:
John McCain responds:
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Dreggas
– Josh Marshall
JGabriel
John McCain corrects his previous post:
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nightjar
We seem to have a troll infestation tonight. Sounds like the dying wimpers of an incompetent political campaign. A last hurrah of the Clinton coronation as it turns into a pumpkin at midnight. When Obama wins the White House in a landslide over the relic, we will have 3 cheers of gratitude for pluk myiq, kwak, and justin and the others for keeping us entertained along the way, with their dumbass tomfoolery.
Phoenix Woman
Paul, what will you say when Obama wins big in lily-white Oregon?
By the way, if his skin tone makes him such a boat anchor, then how come race-based GOP special election campaigns in LA-06 and MS-01 that specifically mentioned him have now resulted in Democrats taking those hardcore Republican Congressional seats?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/13/233757/978/421/515200
Delia
Yeah, it’s pretty high all right. What have you guys been smoking? From Hill and Terry on down to you lowly bloggers, you’re all pretending this was some utterly unexpected surprise that has completely upended the whole campaign. Everybody knew this was going to happen. The polls had all been predicting it for months. Now Hill’s pretending it’s infused new life into her campaign and she’s storming the Bastille one more time again, and you’re running the laff track and sending out for munchies. The joke’s just not funny anymore. Quack Quack.
Queixada
His method is to blur the difference between McCain and Bush, so it kind of makes sense to keep blaming Bush, and then pass the hot potato to McCain. But I agree with what you’re saying.
Phoenix Woman
Poblano provides the reality-based perspective:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/clinton-wins-west-virginia.html
myiq2xu
Ahhh, denial. Good try. Will it still work after next’s weeks ass-kicking in Kentucky?
crw
Personally, I wouldn’t underestimate just how much having beloved Bill Clinton camp out and campaign for her helped Hillary in WV. Despite his occasional faux pas, but he is a huge asset to have on your side.
Lynne
Oh god, I just read Obama’s statement concerning Childers’ win in Mississippi. Why, oh why, couldn’t he just ignore this one? The general is less than six months away, and believe me, the won’t do Childers any good. Before, it was a stretch to connect the two, but this will be featured prominently in the ads for November. I just wonder how fast Travis Childers will again say “Barack who?”
myiq2xu
Nobody was predicting a 41 point blowout. Obama said 12, John Cole said 28
Queixada
Denial?
Ironyyyyyyyyy
Delia
Fixed
Bot LaBeer
The RNC stood Obama up as a big black scarecrow in each of their ads supporting Davis and what did it do for them?
Find a new argument.
Queixada
Bill Clinton predicted 90%-10%
HAR HAR HAR
WE WIN THE SPIN WARS
p.lukasiak
I’ll say “look! Kentucky!” ;-)
its NOT his skin tone that is going to sink Obama, PW, its his arrogance and inability to connect with voters. Everyone hates the GOP congress — but congress isn’t the Oval office.
Personally, I’d rather that those seats stay in GOP hands… the more of these blue dogs the Dems have to deal with, the harder it will be to get progressive legislation through congress. If the Dems were short seats, I’d be happy, but another DINO is not my idea of ‘success”
PeterJ
Lynne, Obama endorsed Childers before the special election. The GOP tried to use it but Childers still won in a R+10 district.
And since don’t seem to approve of Childers, I don’t understand why you seem to care.
Or are you just concern trolling?
kwAwk
Delia — I guess I would refer you to the last line of Hillary’s speech tonight where she said ‘America is worth fighting for’.
That is what Obama hasn’t figured out and what you guys haven’t seemed to figure out. John Edwards knew it and it is why he got 7% of the vote tonight in spite of not having been even in the campaign for months now.
For some reason Obama doesn’t seem to want to fight for what he believes in. He wants everything to be fun, happy and easy and most people who are poor and working class know that in reality life just isn’t that way.
Say what you want about Hillary Clinton, I’ve certainly been a major detractor of hers early in this race, but I’ve been quite impressed by her tenacity and her ability to take a beating and keep on going. Obama just doesn’t seem to me to have that same level of toughness and it is hurting him massively.
Queixada
We’ll just say “look, the nomination!”
/anti-trollspray
Phoenix Woman
Paul: If Obama’s the electoral poison you think he is, why then did two Congressional special elections in a row — LA-06 and now MS-01 — go to the Democrats? Remember, in both cases these were strongly GOP district, plus the Republicans were running ads linking the Democratic candidates to Obama.
And in both cases, the Democrats won.
myiq2xu
Sorry, I meant “presumptuous nominee”
ThymeZone
Better spoof, please. That really is second rate shit there compadre. We do better spoof than that in our sleep.
Conservatively Liberal
I have been watching a long exchange between the Hillaryis44 and other Hillary loony sites and their posting of BlackBerry communications some of them are having with Donna Brasile. Things got so nasty at one point that Donna told them to quit messaging her and threatened to release her messages to the press. They have not let up, and a member there posted the latest exchange between one of them and Donna.
First, the Hillary supporter:
And Donna’s response:
Good. I hope she releases everything. It will be interesting to see where the bile has been coming from, and who has been saying what. You can bet the messages have “HILLARY SUPPORATER” stamped all over them.
Ninerdave
Alright, I had to turn the pie filter off for this because I saw it quoted and literrally laughed my ass off. Seriously it’s there…on the floor and I’m lighter for it.
Re: the primaries tonight I see p.luk and myiq are spouting the same schtick:
It was a Shellacing as TPM said 67-26 (currently via MSNBC).
I’m gonna go with 3/4 of the 28 delegates go to Hillary bringing (Again) the MSNBC totals to:
1721 + 21 = 1742 Hillary
1881 + 7 = 1888 Obama
ZOMG!! Such a HUGE HUGE Victory!!! 21 delegates. OM MY FUCKING GOD!! OY!! What will Obama ever do?? MASSIVE MASSIVE REPUDIATION!! SHAME AND WELL MASSIVE REPUDIATION!! THERE IS NO WAY OBAMA WILL GET A SINGLE VOTE IN NOVEMBER NO FUCKING WAY. EVERYONE HATES OBAMA!! HE IS SATAN INCARNATE.
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tools.
pie filter back on.
Phoenix Woman
Paul, if Obama can’t connect with voters, why are Democratic voter turnouts and registrations breaking records this year?
Come on. You’re better than this. You know you are.
Ninerdave
No he really isn’t.
Read
Authoritarianism and compartmentalizing aren’t just for the right wing.
kwAwk
ThymeZone Says:
Can somebody give me an O-bot to English dictionary? What the hell is a spoof? From context it seems to mean, ‘I don’t have an arguement but I feel the need to condescend’.
Goodnight all.
daryljhusseinfontaine
Ugh, now I have the mental image/taste of spray-can Brie Whiz to shake off. Thanks for that.
Lynne
Yes, he won – while denying the entire time he knew Obama, had ever talked to him, and had absolutely nothing to do with Obama endorsing him on the Obama campaign website. In other words, Childers response to Obama was keep moving, nothing to see here. I know north Mississippi and while Obama can win a democratic primary there, he definitely does not play well in a general election. Basically, think West Virginia on steroids.
myiq2xu
Maybe it was the candidates that won those races?
BTW – Childers distanced himself from Obama
Ninerdave
Allow me. Your candidate lost, get over it. Stop being a tool.
Queixada
My will to live has been cruelly broken by your argumentative superiority. I might as well jump off a bridge! I simply cannot LIVE! Someone disagrees with me on the interwebz!! WRRRYYYYYYY
TenguPhule
Let’s face it. Pluk and IQDuckfuck just hate black people.
myiq2xu
That’s TZ
nightjar
That’s why you’ve been screaming that Obama can’t win cause he’s black. You’re a lying stack of shit and dumb as a bag of fucking hammers. It takes one ripe narcissistic son of a bitch to spew this shit day after day and have it thrown back in your face over and over again. Get some help motherfucker.
TenguPhule
Fixed.
ThymeZone
What a couple of phnoy wankers you are.
Go fuck yourselves.
TenguPhule
TZ, don’t encourage them to breed.
Their kind can self-fertilize.
Lynne
Concerned troll – no. Area resident – yes. For those interested in how the MS-1 race played out, read coverage in The Commercial Appeal. Yes, he won. Glad he did. Upshot – disheartening to Republican morale, but probably not much help with a lot of democratic causes. Reality check – only did it by distancing himself as far as he could from Obama.
Queixada
They tend to shit on themselves.
Double-entendre
Soylent Green
Only if Hillary picks up about 200 pledged delegates in Kentucky.
It’s all being choreographed from here on out anyway. Hillary’s concession will come in the first half of June, after “the voters have spoken.” Barack is not some classless jerk; he will give her all the help she needs to leave with dignity and to enable the bulk of her followers not to feel bullied or cheated.
Expect to see the two of them standing side by side, holding each other’s hands high, pledging to carry the party to victory.
You know that this is the truth, myiq. Hillary has known it for months. Why not quit wasting your time serving up all that clever B.S.? You aren’t fooling anyone.
ImJohnGalt
Race-pimpin’ ain’t easy.
Y’know, that doesn’t even make sense, but I just wanted to say it.
A few thoughts: I don’t understand how performance in the primary has *anything* to do with performance in the general.
It seems to me that, assuming he wins, Obama will run a different campaign in the general than he did in the primary, which is a smart thing – you know, fight according to conditions on the ground. However, according to lukasiak it would have been better if we had attacked Iraq in 1968 instead of Vietnam – you know, fight the next war before the current one is uh…lost.
Also, with the record turnout of the dems, and the fact that Obama and Clinton are only marginally different in their policies, why does nobody see how impressively huge the Dems’ margin of victory would be if everyone lined up behind the nominee.
Whichever of them loses could be introducing a shitload of progressive legislation that could easily pass in a Congress remade by the overwhelming victory in November, and happily signed by the new Democratic President.
Clinton *and* Obama supporters who say they won’t vote for the other candidate if they win (and I will note that those numbers are higher among the Clinton supporters) are whiny-ass punks who have turned themselves into just another stupid single-issue special interest group that will be just as ineffective as any other group has been (cf. Crashing the Gates).
Seriously, people, y’all need to calm the fuck down and think this through. As Thymezone has said, this November has the potential to totally remake the fucking map.
SUPREME COURT NOMINEES.
’nuff said.
PeterJ
What’s up with all the Clinton trolls? Do they think they will win through attrition warfare? That we will concede to Clinton just as long as they go away?
ThymeZone
As was stated in an NPR segment on this topic today, any student of political science knows the answer: It doesn’t.
There is no connection that can be supported with empirical evidence from past elections.
Which pretty much makes moot about half the posts on this blog in the last three months.
wasabi gasp
This win has no teeth.
Soylent Green
Phoenix Woman, please stop calling it that. Our population is only about 80 percent white. The rest don’t fall under that rubric and it would be nice not to speak as though they don’t exist.
Conservatively Liberal
Hmmm, lets look at the finish this way. According to the stats at Kos, Hillary needs more than twice as many delegates to win as Barack does.
Who is winning? Oh, right. Reality does not matter to the Clintonistas, they have the Flav-R-Aid to keep them happy.
Well, in the real world, Obama is kicking her ass in every metric that counts, AND the overall contest for the delegates from ALL states that followed the rules.
He is winning, and he will win. Get used to it or go vote for McCain.
Ninerdave
Except for mine. Mine are always salient.
Cain
Yes, because the other 20% are all Intel engineers. They matter too you know.
cain
ThymeZone
The Hillary line I will remember most fondly from her failed attempt on the presidency:
“Enough with the big speeches and the big rallies!”
Said with a big theatrical frown, so as to be sure you got the point. That Big Beautiful Black Buck is fun to watch, they’re entertaining, aren’t they? But come on, this is serious business, and I’m the one who has been right there in bed with a president when the phone rang at 3 am, so I know how to answer that phone.
ThymeZone
The Hillary line I will remember most fondly from her failed attempt on the presidency:
“Enough with the big speeches and the big rallies!”
Said with a big theatrical frown, so as to be sure you got the point. That Big Beautiful Black Buck is fun to watch, they’re entertaining, aren’t they? But come on, this is serious business, and I’m the one who has been right there in bed with a president when the phone rang at 3 am, so I know how to answer that phone.
Conservatively Liberal
BWAHAHAHA! Spot on.
Soylent Green
Wasabi that was a brilliant find!
Tlaloc
“Paul, if Obama can’t connect with voters, why are Democratic voter turnouts and registrations breaking records this year?”
Dems are voting in record numbers because it is a dem year, they are fired up. You can’t lay that at the feet of Obama seeing as how he’s only slightly ahead of Hillary in the vote totals. In other words regardless of who was in the primary (barring a truly disastrous candidate) there would be record turn out. People are sick to death of Bush/iraq/economy/etc.
Ninerdave
I wish people would stop giving Hillary’s campaign credit for moving goal posts. Love ya CL and all, but the metric that counts…the ONLY metric that counts and has ever counted is delegates. Pledged or
automaticSuper.Tlaloc
“He is winning, and he will win.”
Personally I suspect you are right, the contests last week I think doomed Hillary’s last real chance. The real difference between us is you think that leaves the dems with the better candidate and I think the opposite is true.
Ninerdave
I’ve analyzed Hillary’s win (shameless blog post). Ninerdave +5 and I’m not working tomorrow.
protected static
You mean, when combined with the ass-kicking in Oregon? Oh, wait – that’s your candidate’s ass that’s going to be kicked there. So, um… I gotta go with… wait a minute… gotta think… hold on…
Yes.
Thank you; this has been another edition of SATSQ, part whateverthefuckitis.
Conservatively Liberal
No problem Ninerdave. Sometimes you have to throw their own crap back at them to drive home a point.
;)
At least we can agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that. :)
Perry Como
“spoof” is actually an amalgamation of an abbreviation, “sp” and the onomonopiea, “oof.” Any time you see “spoof” used on this site, assume it is in the context of someone that makes a spelling mistake along with a grunt.
myiq2xu
He he he
Perry Como
Oh, and Go Hillary! I always hated math.
Cain
But man, there sure is a LOT of starbucks. I blame these californians who keep moving up here! My wife is hooked on starbucks. But I’ve stopped drinking lattes.. too fattening.
The other passion is beer. What guns are to West Virginians, is what beer is to Oregon. Frankly, I’ll take beer over guns any day. You haven’t seen beer snobs until you’ve come to Oregon. We rock. (and don’t move here. thanks)
cain
Bot LaBeer
Take a look at these numbers on MS-01 – The only county that Davis made any hay in is DeSoto (75 to 25), and that’s where Davis lives. Otherwise, Childers won a majority of the other counties in the district by landslides.
It’s pretty difficult to look at something like this and not see how seriously doomed the Republicans are.
Delia
But of course all the new and young voters registered because they were jazzed for Obama. Clinton left them feeling tired of the same old stuff. I suppose it’s her famous Clinton triangulation on the war policy. Wow, what a miscalculation that turned out to be. Guess we can all sit back and have a big guffaw over that one. Oh, and add “obliterating Iran” to the mix. I’ll give Hill one thing: that lady doesn’t know when to quit.
Sheesh.
Delia
Now this is amusing. She was always the policy wonk, that is, until she turned anti-elitist and decided to pander on abolishing the gas tax and denounced all the economists. Death to mathematicians! Death to consistency! Hillary is the state. The state is Hillary.
Bot LaBeer
And that’s yet another indictment against her overall judgement and grasp of common sense. Her acolytes can crow all they want about their Post-WWII Jap soldier passion play, but her legacy preceded her.
AUMF-Iraq … Kyl-Lieberman
Add that to the Three Stooges running her campaign from the get-go and she never had a chance to even become the candidate she dreamed herself to be.
By staying in the race to the end, the only thing she avoids is being labled a premature evacuator – Problem is, she blew her wad long ago and her minions are resorted to pumping relentlessly on a dry hole with tools ill-equipped for the job.
Chuck Butcher
I suppose some would find it odd that there is no Starbucks in town or really anywhere near, but I have to admit to 1 gallon of fresh ground dark roast per day. I doubt Oregon has much to do with it, I’ve been a good coffee addict a lot longer than Starbucks has been around.
I’d rather drink good coffee than darn near anything else and I also have a use for the caffein. I’m afraid the best description of my physiology is that I’m wired for 110V and powered by 220V, it is sort of like Ritalin for me. Yes, my day does actually involve two 2qt Stanley thermoses and a large go cup which isn’t ordinarily too far away from me.
Oregon may not be the whitest state in the US, but it isn’t too far from it. Obama is looking real strong. My wife, who barely tolerates my political junkie-hood, is hugely Obama-erific. She mostly doesn’t give a rat’s patoot, but he lights her up. Me, I’m lukewarm Obama, but I’ve got way too much background to get nuts over a candidate. Well, GWB does make me foam at the mouth, but I haven’t shot out the TV screen yet.
Cain
Coffee seems like just a good way to chase the blahs in Oregon considering how grey it is a lot of the time. (not that it bugs me mind you, I like it grey a lot)
GWB makes a lot of republicans foam in the mouth, and I know a lot of them. They are hopping mad at the party and at Bush. There are very few Bush supporters that I know of. The one person I do know is a very sweet guy, but seems completely in hte kool aid. Bush is better no matter what over any liberal. (never mind that he associates with a lot of us liberals everyday :-)
cain
myiq2xu
Looks like Hillary picked up a net 145,000+ popular votes in her blowout win over the presumptuous one.
Obama did manage to hold off John Edwards and finish in second place however.
Cain
Congratulations, myiq2xu.. Enjoy your win tonight, cuz Oregon is going hand the pony a very big win. In addition, we have an array of superdelegates ready to ride the pony.
Oregon > WV > Kentucky
Now go to bed, it’s past your bed time.
cain
Tom in Texas
It is just surreal to listen to Hillbots claim Obama coronated himself, followed by decrying him for ignoring a small state that’s going to vote Republican. Perhaps we was working of the Clinton playbook that carried her so far.
God I want to visit the planet you people reside on. The drugs seem to be amazing.
Splitting Image
“The real difference between us is you think that leaves the dems with the better candidate and I think the opposite is true.”
In a sense, whether Obama or Clinton is a better candidate doesn’t matter jack squat. The point is that Clinton’s campaign team was made up of a bunch of losers who should be deported if necessary to keep them out of the White House. Swap their campaign teams and Clinton wins the nomination easily.
It’s true that Clinton’s desperation has pushed her to extreme measures and she has alienated many voters because of it, but who is responsible for her desperation? Penn and Wolfson persuaded her that all the rural states full of working-class white voters were trivial early on in the race, so Obama cleaned up in Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, and Utah. Suddenly behind by dozens of delegates, Clinton pulled out all the stops to leverage an advantage in the half-dozen states that were left.
Maybe Clinton IS a better candidate than Obama, but he’s got the delegates. She doesn’t. Ultimately, the blame for Penn’s and Wolfson’s stupidity lies with Clinton.
History will say that Obama won this contest because he was the only major candidate to find the winning strategy. Edwards came close, but couldn’t get the media attention or the financing to pull it out. He spent months working Iowa the same way Clinton’s been working West Virginia and Kentucky, but got outflanked by Obama’s fundraising abilities. He went right from the beginning for the voters that Clinton is going for now, when it’s too little too late. Even if she is better at getting them, it doesn’t help her in states that have already voted.
Having said that, I reject any predictions about November that don’t take John McCain’s campaigning ability into consideration. He’s nearly as big an anchor on the Republican ticket as Bush and Cheney, and I don’t see him having any coattails whatsoever. His popularity is personal (and undeserved) and not coming from a recognizable base. Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and even Ron Paul I can see helping similar-minded people get elected, but who is McCain going to benefit?
Ninerdave
By the way charges from the Hillary supporters of being the arugula, latte drinking elites amuse me. Wonder where I’ve heard that before.
myiq2xu
He he he!
That’s funny!
Bot LaBeer
Looks like Jeralyn is cranking up the flying monkeys to start another letter-writing campaign to the Superdelegates.
Yeah, because the last letter-writing campaign bore so much fruit…
rachel
More like ‘so many nuts.’
electroglodyte
Gotta love this – from a TPM poster:
To put things in perspective, here is a review of past primaries and causcuses where Obama blew out Clinton.
State – Obama – Hillary
Idaho 82.2% 17.8%
Hawaii 76.2% 23.8%
District of Columbia 75.8% 24.2%
Alaska 74.6% 25.4%
Kansas 74.2% 25.8%
Washington 68.4% 31.6%
Georgia 68.1% 31.9%
South Carolina 67.6% 32.4%
Minnesota 67.4% 32.6%
Colorado 67.3% 32.7%
Illinois 66.3% 33.7%
Virginia 64.2% 35.8%
North Dakota 62.6% 37.4%
Mississippi 62.2% 37.8%
Maryland 61.9% 38.1%
Wyoming 61.9% 38.1%
Louisiana 61.7% 38.3%
Vermont 60.6% 39.4%
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/obama-blowouts.php
bago
The guy winning all of the elections is less electable!
My logic is supreme!
Chinn Romney
The Big O never had a chance. It’s not because he’s dark skinned or because the crackers think he’s a Muslim. No Sir, he’s just too damn good looking and too slim to have a shot at it. His Wife only made it worse. Next time send a fatter Brother with bad complexion.
There’s a Neil Young song in this, I’m sure of it.
Bot LaBeer
Check this one out – McCain held a fundraiser in Washington state last night and the cost of a seat at the dinner table was $33,100. According to the official invitation (.pdf) the contribution broke down like this:
So the RNC is telegraphing its intentions on which states it plans to invest most heavily. I live in Minnesota so I can see that MN chunk of the money used mostly to prop up the dead man walking Norm Coleman in his bid to lose heavily to Al Franken in November. But it also brings the MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty as Veep stuff into the light a bit more too.
Plus, WTF is a “Compliance Fund”?
Paul
With Franken’s legal troubles,I wonder if Mr. Franken is actually a strong enough candidate to knock off Sen. Coleman. The fact that Sen. Coleman here seems to be now implying that popular democratic Senator Klobuchar is his fast friend is kind of funny.
PLUKZILLA
Frist WE take the SUPERDELGATES then we take THE ELECTORAL College!! You elit sist won’t know what HIT YOU
Bot LaBeer
Coleman’s on the hot seat now – He’s refusing to return $10,000+ worth of contributions from the firm DCI (of Myanmar lobbiest fame) when just a few months ago he returned all of the contributions he’d received from Sen. Larry Craig (of airport shithouse fame). Minnesota Democrats are wondering why teh gay money is no good, but the junta money is. It’ll take time, but we’ll eventually be hearing about Norm Coleman’s sweet little relationship with DCI – A relationship that goes well beyond a few campaign contributions.
Al Franken and his IRS problems (now cleared up) are old news. The Coleman/DCI bomb just got lit.
TR
Unless we annex twelve new states between now and then … no.
TR
Yes, he can’t connect with voters. Which is why he’s won more votes.
D-Chance.
What fun in November when the Right takes up the “Chimpy” moniker for the new C-in-C and the Left gets its panties all in a wad over it…
Bot LaBeer
stand by for a “but, but, but, Hillz is winning the POPLUR VOTE!1!!1
Fuckin’ posers look at pop. vote totals and start jizzing all over themselves over the possibility of HRC taking the lead. If they were real Democrats they’d know that caucus states don’t submit raw vote totals and therefore the popular vote is a completely worthless metric in the equation.
But then, a large chunk of the HRC fans around here seem to be just out of work republican bootlickers/keyboard commandos with more time than brains and a hard-on for making Rush happy.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Overt racism: It’s fan-tastic!
Bot LaBeer
How much of “the Right” is really going to be left in November? A few stragglers to be sure but those are the folks who use the “Chimpy” monicker with regards to Obama now. So no real difference, right?
Tim F.
Actually, it’ll be funny as hell. It makes you guys look like racist tools and all the explanations you want won’t influence people who don’t compulsively read internet chat boards. People will assume that righty tools have so much racist bile inside that they lath onto the first excuse to vent it in public.
Yeah, it’s unfair. Goose and gander ought to have the same sauce and all that. But the optics are what they are. Bring it on.
chopper
wow guys, the same talking points and everything within seconds of each other. its like synchronized spoofing.
i guess this one big win in west virginia changes everything! obama’s ahead by two touchdowns at the two minute warning, clinton makes a field goal and acts like she’s still in the game. sigh.
PeterJ
Soaring Gas Prices Stumping Pumps – Mechanical Pumps Can’t Handle $4 Per Gallon Gas
This will fix the problem, either the price won’t go above $4 dollar or people won’t be able to buy gas.
bago
Not connecting with the voters is why Hilz has had to tell Obers to knock off the massive unprecedented rallies. Because he’s alienating them at an astronomic rate by having them listen to him speak.
4jkb4ia
Not sure if anyone read the comment this refers to I made on the Miley Cyrus thread, but the Post-Dispatch Scholar-Athlete from my high school actually will attend Grinnell. It always leaps out what different expectations in life these scholar-athletes have. By the expectations of their schools they are all good students, but the ones from rural schools do not think to aspire to the Harvards and Dukes that the ones from affluent schools do. Some of them are even going to community college.
Interesting part of that poblano post was that he may have underestimated turnout because Hillary got part of the 30% of WV Democrats who voted for Bush. Can she appeal to the real swing voters in her demographic group elsewhere?
I think the broad point about MS-01 is that simply tying the candidate to Obama will not work. Distancing oneself from Obama, all politics being local, the Republican brand being in the toilet all have effects. To say that the Democratic Party shouldn’t care about the working class white vote is not really progressive. A progressive is egalitarian enough to believe that policies should have some appeal and benefit to everyone. But Obama on the ticket will not destroy the party, because everything is going for the Democrats anyway. McCain has a lot of ground to cover to be as credible on pocketbook issues as a generic Democrat.
Tlaloc
Chuck butcher:
“Oregon may not be the whitest state in the US, but it isn’t too far from it.”
We’re pretty close to the national average, the real difference is that our minorities are disproportionately *not* black. Instead we’ve got mostly hispanic and asian minorities. Since hispanics are often lumped in with caucasians under the “white” heading and a goodly number of the asian minorities are pretty pale that makes the place feel “whiter” than it really is.
Splitting image:
“In a sense, whether Obama or Clinton is a better candidate doesn’t matter jack squat. The point is that Clinton’s campaign team was made up of a bunch of losers who should be deported if necessary to keep them out of the White House. Swap their campaign teams and Clinton wins the nomination easily.”
I don’t mean “better candidate” in the sense of better able to get elected (as you seem to be using the term). I mean better candidate as in better president once they are elected. In that context, yes, better candidate matters a whole hell of a lot. I suspect there is going to be a huge amount of buyers remorse from the dems about electing Obama. In fact, now that I think about it, I suspect the dynamic will play out very similar to what the republicans have seen with bush: a president they elected expecting him to be one thing, who initially has high popularity that steadily erodes over time tarnishing the whole party because a core group of fanatical supporters refuse to let go.
I might be wrong, but if I were a betting man that’s what I see for the next four or eight years.
4jkb4ia
Why didn’t I read the GOS yesterday? According to Rasmussen McCain is more trusted on the economy than either Obama or Clinton. Bangs head.
Splitting Image
“I don’t mean “better candidate” in the sense of better able to get elected (as you seem to be using the term). I mean better candidate as in better president once they are elected. In that context, yes, better candidate matters a whole hell of a lot.”
Fair enough, but the sort of people a politician surrounds himself with makes as much difference in the actual job as it does in the campaign, and I’m more inclined to believe that Obama will surround himself with a better cabinet.
Time will tell, I suppose.
Personally, I would prefer Ron Paul to either of those two, except that the one thing he obviously doesn’t have a clue about is delegating responsbility to the right people. As good a Rep as he is, that totally disqualifies him from the White House as far as I’m concerned.
Blue Girl, Red State
Someone up thread asked how to pronounce the name of my state. Missouri is pronounced Mizz-or-ee. Have you ever heard anyone say Cincinnat-uh? At least by those of us who have been in the northern tier for multiple generations know how to pronounce it – those chuckleheads in the bible-college saturated southern counties, we ignore them anyway, and would prefer to just distribute them to Oklahoma and Arkansas and be done with ’em.
Tax Analyst
Also amazing is how things change and somehow remain much the same, isn’t it?
I was struck by how the issues of 1960 are still the issues of 2008.
And yet, some people still want to talk about flag pins and press pointless wedge issues to pursue their personal ambitions.
One thing that hasn’t changed is that some folks continue to slam the door on the hopes of a significant number of Americans. Back then it was Catholics…”There’s never been a Catholic President. America will never elect a Catholic President”. R.I.P. to that statement.
Let’s do the same with, “There’s never been a black President. America will never elect a black President”.
I feel proud to be backing the only candidate who has attempted to discuss our problems with the same straight-forward candor as JFK used.
Tax Analyst
Gosh, but you are a special kind of Democrat, aren’t you?
I mentioned in an earlier thread that I was going to donate $1 to the Obama campaign each time you used the term “race-pimping” from that point on. I haven’t seen any since, but I think the above remark is worth $5.
Anyone want to match that? I want to get SOMETHING positive out of this ass-hat’s lunacy.
Tlaloc
“Fair enough, but the sort of people a politician surrounds himself with makes as much difference in the actual job as it does in the campaign, and I’m more inclined to believe that Obama will surround himself with a better cabinet.”
I do think one of the most compelling arguments against Hillary is that she’s listening to people like Carville.
Blue Raven
Boston Herald apologizes for reporting false story about Patriots
Nobody taped a goddamned THING before the Super Bowl vs the Rams. That win was legit. Belichick has been punished as much as is necessary, as has the team.