Hillary is predicted to win WV.
No shit. All that matters are the margins, and they don’t really even matter. I guess we all get to pretend for another week that this is an actual race, still, and we get to keep playing the “why won’t white people vote for Obama” game that gives Hillary supporters comfort in defeat.
Good times. At least the national media is out of West Virginia. Thank God for that.
*** Update ***
Let no one ever say that Hillary is lacking in chutzpah. I am paraphrasing, of course, but this speech that was dubbed the greatest speech ever has so far consisted of “Visit my website and give me money, and I won this little state, so the supers better reverse the results of the other 49 states and give me the nomination.” It is pretty awesome stuff. I am really moved.
Where the fuck did I put my foam brick?
*** Update #2 ***
Is it just me, or is it a bit obscene for Clinton to talk about the ties that bind us together after spending two weeks carving up the electorate along racial and financial lines.
This speech is nothing more than her begging the supers. This is the greatest speech ever?
Feh.
*** Update #3 ***
Chris Matthews is impressed how delusional Hillary is.
*** Update #4 ***
Boone County, home of Jesco White, the Dancing Outlaw, is breaking for Hillary 80-13 (it is the county directly south of Charleston).
jake
Waaaah! Why can’t you admit that West Virginia is the only state that matters in this contest and Obama’s loss is a clear sign that he’s a luzer and needs to drop out?!
/Hillsteric
Oh well, she needs more donations to dig herself out of that debt hole. I wouldn’t want her to wind up PIMPING Bill at Indiana’s RACE tracks.
Jake
Isn’t it closer to “why won’t the poor, white, uneducated, racist mother fuckers vote for Obama” game?
Conservatively Liberal
Wow, I am really surprised at the results. ;)
p.lukasiak
A STUNNING defeat for Obama….
and Obama is in very big trouble with these voters — voters who are very similar to large parts of voters in PA and Ohio.
No Democrat since 1916 has won the General Election without carrying West Virginia.
When is Obama going to quit this race, so the Democrats can have a candidate who can take the White House. Obama can even blame all those horrible people who cling to gun and god, and won’t accept his utterly transcendent wonderfulness from which all blessings flow….
Obama should quit now, and work on figuring out how to connect with these voters. Given that he’s competing against an upper-middle class, suburban female who graduated from Wellesley and Yale Law, its not like he’s at some kind of disadvantage because of his race — these people are just as likely to vote against someone like Hillary Clinton as they are to vote against an African American.
KRK
Isn’t it kind of odd that CNN’s online Election results called WV for Clinton in the Democratic race right away, but have not presumed to call the Republican race for McCain? Is there really any chance that Huckabee and/or Paul could spoil WV for McCain?
El Doh
Taking a look at the exit polls, I’d say some of it is they love them some Bill Clinton in WV.
85% of Hillary voters said he was important.
That meshes with what John’s said about how the Clintons are popular and how they like the familiar.
The gender breakdown is pretty interesting, too.
John Cole
Yes. It was stunning. It was shocking. Who could have ever predicted it?
Oh, yeah, I did. I have for months. Everyone has.
Moron. I am more and more convinced that you are a spoof.
Delia
Hmmm. On my drive home just now I heard a poll on NPR that says that McCain beats both Hillary and Obama with uneducated white voters. So apparently she’s not pandering hard enough. Or not drinking enough beer. Or not threatening to blow up enough countries. Or doesn’t hang out with enough winger pastors. Or just isn’t a gooper.
PsiFighter37
Well, that was no surprise. I wonder what the media will say next week when Obama wins lily-white Oregon.
Oh wait, those white states west of the Mississippi don’t count.
demimondian
Hey, yeah, p.luk is right! Hillary can win in the sparsely populated mountainous regions of PA and OH in which a small fraction of their populations live.
Somebody remind me why she can win in Cleveland, Philadelphia, Cinci, and Pittsburgh?
Never mind. I’m sure that the urban elites won’t get out to vote in those states. They never do, after all.
I’m joining John, here. You *must* be joking.
Wisdom
I guess all those crawl-over-glass outliers bled to death before they got to the voting booth.
Cols714
Jake
They’ll be too busy talking about Kentucky. States where Obama wins at this point aren’t interesting.
p.lukasiak
you predicted 2 to 1? LIAR.
Obama predicted 12%…. looks like he was about 20 points off…
face it… Democrats are saying WE DON’T WANT to your “presumptive nominee” and this loss not only guarantees a loss in WV in November, but means that PA and OH become just about impossible for Obama to win…
but if you’d rather lose with Obama, than have a far more knowledgeable, experienced, and competent person on the ballot, fine.
PeterJ
If West Virginia seceds, would that mean that the democrats would forever be unable to win the General Election?
John Cole
The funnier thing will be what Hillary says about it.
John S.
That seems to be all p.luk is capable of these days.
ACK
Clinton only has to win 91% of the remaining pledged delegates to overcome Obama’s lead.
That should be doable…
JL
P. Luk, Unfortunately, many of Hillary’s voters in Appalachia would end up voting for the white male even if she were the candidate. I actually believe that our country is ready for a black leader and I also believe that our country is ready for a female but don’t use WV as an example of Hillary’s strengths.
p.lukasiak
because she’s a qualified competent candidate who has spent her entire life working for economic and social justice…
while Barry was ignoring the criminal conduct of his slum lord buddy Rezko, because Rezko had cash and connection….
Conservatively Liberal
Why does McCain beat Hillary and Obama with white voters? I would think a club would work a lot better.
Wow! Obama concedes.
John S.
If she is far more knowledgeable, experienced, and competent…
WHY IS SHE FUCKING LOSING?
You have to be spoofing. No way this crap is for real.
QuickRob
Anyone who thinks that racism (on the part of white people) is why people are turning away from Obama is fooling themselves.
It’s Wright. Plain and simple. Obama cannot any longer succesfully disassociate himself with Wright without explaining his longtime admiration for him.
Blue Buddha
No Whig since 1836 has won the general election without carrying West Virginia… which didn’t even exist then… but that’s not the point.
Balconesfault
Seems to me that Hillary’s supporters argument seems to be these days:
“Hillary is such a bad candidate, that if someone prefers her to Obama that’s a sign that Obama can’t beat McCain.”
Essentially, she’s establishing herself as the minimum standard of Democrat who has a chance of beating McCain … if someone actually prefers her to someone else, that someone else must be therefore unelectable.
Helluva sales pitch!
ResumeMan
You know, p.luk, most Hillary supporters are at least to the anger stage. A few have even moved to bargaining. Denial is so pre-North-Carolina.
p.lukasiak
Luk, Unfortunately, many of Hillary’s voters in Appalachia would end up voting for the white male even if she were the candidate. I actually believe that our country is ready for a black leader and I also believe that our country is ready for a female but don’t use WV as an example of Hillary’s strengths.
from what I’m hearing, there is record turnout. For an election that is supposed to be meaningless according to the media gasbags and Obama supporters (sorry for that slight redundancy) a 2-1 win with a record turnout IS a sign of strength.
….and a sign of very serious weakness on Obama’s part.
Steve
I’m registered as an independent here in WV, and got a mailer from the Democratic party reminding me that independents could vote in in the Dem primary. Went down to cast my vote, and discovered that, yes, I can in fact vote in the Dem primary – on a provisional ballot that will be reviewed by the canvassing board later “to determine whether or not your vote can be counted”, according to the information slip I was given. Don’t know how many independents there are in WV, but their votes won’t be showing up tonight.
Splitting Image
I finally figured this thing out. At last it all makes sense.
Think about it. Imagine if as a prelude to an invasion, aliens from another planet disguise one of their own as a presidential candidate with a bizarre but shrewd campaign strategy.
First, she builds up an aura of invincibility. Then, bizarrely, she ignores the first contest because its a caucus. So she loses. Then she cries when she looks like she’s been defeated. The pundits itch to declare a winner.
BANG! She picks up the women’s vote!
BANG! She picks up the anti-media vote!
She rides the momentum right to November!
Then at the last minute, after carefully laying the grondwork, she picks up the massive and crucial male adulterer vote! Bill and Hillary are back in the White House!
Then, one night at 3 AM, while we’re sleeping peacefully, she places the military on standby while aliens swoop down to steal our brains and eyeballs.
Have a good night.
John Cole
Two months ago, I predicted Obama would get blown out (the piolls at the time were 55-27) and that race would be an issue, and you and that idiot Armando claimed I was asserting everyoen in WV is racist. Here is what I said:
Funny thing, too, because Lukasiak seems to have changed his toon in the past two months. Guess who Lukasiak was claiming played the race card then?
Clinton:
Just go away, you hack.
slippy hussein toad
Ninerdave
After tonight Hillary only needs to pick up 91% of the remaining delegates. Victory is just within her grasp!
Bizzaro p.luk
given the gender-pimping done by the Hillary campaign, this is precisely the kind of thing that people should expect. Hillary is using the techniques learned from Lee Atwater of exploiting the legitimate anger and frustration for self-aggrandizement.
jake
Awesome.
Sorry, I gotta parse this because it perfectly captures the mindset of the common or garden brain dead arsehole.
John Cole says:
Got that? John states that he predicted Obama would lose. Anyone who has been paying any sort of attention knows that he has repeatedly said Obama would not win WV.
Nuh-uh and charade you are! Shrieks pluckshakennotstirred:
See that? Because John didn’t predict the exact nature of the loss he is a dirty rotten Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
I truly feel sorry for anyone who ever makes a casual commitment to this head case. “Hey, you said we’d have a drink sometime! I don’t care what time it is! Come on, YOU PROMISED!”
[boiled bunny]
t jasper parnell
Until Wilbur and Orville no one had flown that far. History is not a predictor.
Conservatively Liberal
Close. Teletubbies.
John Cole
I am depressed I have to point this out, but with Lukasiak, I know I do. The 55-27 I listed above is 1 point higher than a 2-1 margin of victory.
mellowjohn
peter j
if memory serves, west virginia is the only state to secede TWICE. once from the union in 1861 (as part of the state of virginia) and again in 1863 from the confederacy.
third time’s the charm.
itllALLbeOVERbyFEB5th
one of my favorite things about this blog is the lively give and take on the comments.
but i can’t understand why any of you guys respond to PLuk’s comments. he/she clearly loves throwing grenades and watching everybody scatter.
no matter what you say, no matter what facts you throw back at him/her, pluk will come back with even more outrageous stuff, and yet people keep trying to shut him up.
its like PLuk has taken a dump in your drinking water, but you keep taking a sip to see if the water still tastes bad.
i enjoy each new post here, but when i scan the comments and see PLuk’s name, i stop reading because i know the thread has been hijacked.
just stop. just stop. let PLuk post as much as they want, but deprive them of the hateful oxygen they so clearly can’t live without.
p.lukasiak
I haven’t changed my tune you lying sack of shit — I didn’t say that the 3AM ad was dog-whistling — it was a perfectly legitimate ad that would be percieved differently by some people because Obama is black.
But you know what — unlike YOU, you lying sack of shit, I’m willing to admit that I think that Clinton’s “bitter/cling” ad was dog-whistling…
of course, it followed months of Obama campaign race-pimping… which you refuse to acknowledge….
slippy hussein toad
None Shall Pass
Which brings up a point: I pasted the embed code and it previewed OK. I can only assume since i’ve never seen one that you can’t actually do Youtube embeds on this site.
Maybe I’m wrong.
Ninerdave
Not in the comments section.
Ted
Seriously, how much is Hillary’s campaign paying for this work?
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
When Hillary loses in Oregon, Montana and North Dakota, will that be a sign of any weakness for Senator Clinton?
JL
John, Do you think that WV would support a woman candidate for president?
Jake
Indeed. Basic math is clearly beyond most HRC die-hards at this stage.
El Doh
From the (current) front page:
Meh, within 5 points of exit polling isn’t bad (and they’ve not even counted the votes yet — I thought Clinton supporters wanted to count *ALL* the votes?)
Wilfred
Pluk is just keeping faith with Mother Clinton. The more she keeps up her pointless campaign the more he wanks on to people who would never vote for her. As above, below.
Same with the rest of the Clintonjugend.
Ninerdave
No, the just won’t count. SASQ and all that.
a.nticorium
Obama couldn’t win these women over, and that’s why he’ll lose in November, and also because he is a race-pimp.
Phoenix Woman
Meanwhile, is Oregon, which is also lily-white, Obama is preparing to kick booty. But Oregon doesn’t count.
El Doh
Whatever it is, it’s too much.
Ted
John, can you ban him now? His comments serve no purpose, clutter the threads with useless nonsense, and he repays your lack of banning by calling you a “sack of shit”. Might as well ban him then.
slippy hussein toad
Didn’t think so. More’s the pity. I’m starting to use a lot of visual cues in my postings elsewhere.
Anyway, I’m absolutely rolling to watch Hillary fanatics here, there, and everywhere scramble to suddenly make this one state the TURNING POINT, when we’ve known all along that Obama was going to lose it. Just before he closes the deal on the 20th with Oregon.
Scott H
.I think the margins do matter: if Clinton doesn’t win in the John Cole prophesied range of 28% people are going to talk.
.No non-incumbent Republican ever carried West Virginia until George W Bush in 2000. So much for past being predictive.
.As a Non-Republican/Non-Democrat I got to confirm the incumbency of a couple of Board of Education members today. I was happy to see (and hear!) the ‘paper trail’ being generated on the touch screen voting machine.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Hey! No fair! That’s a trick question. Hillary has no money to pay anyone anything – she’s $20M in the hole.
Ninerdave
Install cleek’s pie filter It’s been nice since I’ve installed it. I changed the redacted text to say “I fuck goats”. Makes the hillary trolls actually appear funny!
Jake
I don’t think John should ban P.Luk.
I do, however, second the calls for people to IGNORE him. Seriously, the comments here are so MUCH better when people aren’t responding to his awesome stupidity.
Bizzaro p.luk
still waiting for one Hillary supporter to admit that the Hillary campaign deliberately ramped up gender tensions in this campaign—I’m STILL waiting for Hillary to denounce Geraldine Ferraro and Barbara Reynolds for their gender-pimping…
I mean, I understand why you got on the Hillary bandwagon when she was talking about “leadership”, but that whole schtick has been proven to be a big fat lie—you don’t show “leadership” by having your supporters and surrogate accuse ANOTHER DEMOCRAT of being a sexist. But despite the evidence that Hillary’s entire campaign is built on a lie, her supporters stick with her…. which means that they are just as bad as the GOP has been for the last 35+ years of exploiting sexism for political gain.
Conservatively Liberal
Mocking him is the best he should get here. There is no way to have any kind of rational conversation with him regarding the primary or general. None. p.huk knows that pissing all over in here is doing absolutely nothing, but he can’t stop because some people are still taking him seriously.
Other than noting that his fixation with blaming the racism in this primary on Obama is a result of his own latent racism, just about everything he has said for the last couple of months regarding Obama is a result of using a beer bong to down the Clinton Flav-R-Aid.
Broken record doesn’t even begin to describe it. More like an endless 8-track tape. John is right, he is a hack.
Ted
Well, you know, she promises to pay. And she apparently still owes Mark Penn $4.6 million worth of donuts, ribs, and deodorant.
jake
Edited for extra p.luckiness.
John Cole
I have been saying this for a while now, but no one seems to listen. My sense is that neither Hillary nor Obama would win WV in the fall.
Bill Clinton would, if he were running again, but I don’t think Hillary or Obama will (despite Hillary leading in polls by 5% over McCain in WV).
My feel for the state is we are just a much more culturally conservative state than we were 15-20 years ago. Additionally, union membership just ain’t what it used to be. A lot of the things that made this a safe Democratic state for so many years are just not in place anymore, and I simply can not overstate how big the GOP gun campaign against Gore in 2000 hurt national Democrats.
I really don’t know if a woman could win, but my sense is just very few Democrats could. I see WV as a safe Republican seat for a while.
AkaDad
Debunking Five Myths About Obama’s Support
Just Some Fuckhead
Bush carried WV in 2004 too. I think WV’ns have forfeited their right to be taken seriously.
John Cole
LOL:
Go Hillary.
Conservatively Liberal
myiq2xuGoatBoy must have convinced p.huk to join him in the goat pen for a round of pie and hot goat sex.I can’t wait until Hillary concedes. Asshats like p.huk will be scorned for the shitheads they are, and they will be about as popular as herpes.
Just Some Fuckhead
Remember, Clintards like that negative shit. It means she is a fighter or strong or something. Something good.
PeterJ
Myiq0.8xu tried the same shit a couple of weeks ago. He didn’t get banned and I doubt that p.lunatic will be.
If p.lunatic wants to make an ass out of himself that’s his choice.
He really should seek professional help.
El Doh
Yup; likewise, the gas tax pander, according to the geniuses over at Taylor Marsh, prove that Hillary “gets it”.
Dennis - SGMM
No one has ever won the General Election without being white and having a penis. I guess that Obama and Clinton should both give up.
reid
I’ll second the call to ignore p.luk. He’s really quite pathetic, whether intentional or not.
Ted
He tried what?
nightjar
Conservatively Liberal
FTW!
John S.
FTW
Dave_Violence
Fuck West Vagina.
IF the real reason Hillary! won is because of her White Power dynamic. West Virginia exists because it seceded from the confederacy, so they’re generally on the right side of things. West Virginia, though Senator Byrd *was* a racist, brings in the money to that state and thus they have fine roads, bridges, and technology. Byrd’s a superdemocrat and I prefer to think that… who did he endorse? Any of them? The state is his and… Even though it is something like 99% white, Byrd has more ties to the Clintons than BO.
Queixada
Pluk.
You just mad cus…
You got served.
John S.
OK, Conservatively Liberal , that is seriously messed up.
The Obama groupthink is that strong!!
Perry Como
Hai guise, someone wrote a really nice pie script that does this. Google is your friend.
nightjar
Banning pluk would be like banning your crazy uncle (Now where have I heard that before) . Pluk is an idea, a crazy one
maybe, but an idea none the less. He is the living example that in America anyone can be a jackass with a megaphone and not get censored. I say let him rant and we will eat his pie. We will eat ALL his pie.
Well shit, wordpress ate my pie and comment too. try again
Jon H
I’m willing to compromise with the Hillary fans, and voice support for Hillary being made President…
of the new independent nation of Appalachistan.
Conservatively Liberal
The Obama Mind Meld. We are part of the Combine. We have been assimilated. Free will is gone. ;)
dr. bloor
Donuts and ribs. Deodorant is expressly prohibited as a form of valid payment in his contract.
zzyzx
I’m surprised that the margin isn’t wider so far. Of course, there’s just 9% in, but she might not make up for Mississippi here.
TR
Got a cite for that? Your own ass doesn’t count.
Dennis - SGMM
Cleek’s pie script for Balloon-Juice.
It only works in Firefox and you also need to install Greasemonkey. In Firefox, click Tools > Add-Ons then Get Extensions. Enter “Greasemonkey” in the search box and you’ll be there. Once you’ve installed Greasemonkey, drop cleek’s script into your browser window to install and then edit the script to pie out whomever you wish to.
Here’s how it looks:
TR
On further reflection, I think the Hillary supporters are absolutely right that the massive five electoral votes of West Virginia will be absolutely crucial in the general election.
Sure, Obama will put NC (15), Virginia (13), Colorado (9) and other states in play that Hillary would lose, but … uh … race-pimping!
t jasper parnell
From TPM, this seems important:
Mississippi 1st (19%)
Childers (D) 55% 9,150
Davis (R)45% 7,583
Krista
I have to laugh. Didn’t Jeralyn ban a commenter who said, “Shame on you, Jeralyn”?
John, your patience is phenomenal. And p.luk, you can obviously disagree with whomever you choose. That’s your right to do so. But right now, you’re being a real jerk. Not impressive.
Just Some Fuckhead
Reciting cliches in a sing-songy manner. Wow, this is an incredible speech.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Was it even 5 minutes before she asked for money?
Conservatively Liberal
Out of the gate, Hillary asks people to “… go to hillaryclinton.com and support…”.
Classy.
Andrew
I just want to know what kind of drugs lukasiak is taking. Is it crack? Meth? LSD? Shrooms? Some sort of upper/hallucinogen combo seems likely.
Ooooo look, Hillary is begging for money! Soon she may have negative 19 million dollars.
Dennis - SGMM
Everybody shut up: Hillary is delivering one of the “best speeches ever”. So far she’s not quite up to Churchill or Lincoln but she’s edging up on the OxyClean commercials.
t jasper parnell
When did the War begin again?
Fulcanelli
You DO realize you’re saying that Democrats will elect a White ‘elitist’ candidate (and with credentials like that, don’t bother denying it, please, I’m sure her ‘base’ in FL, OH, PA, WV and elsewhere all have the same background and education, right? They relate to her…) but they won’t elect a supposed Black ‘elitist’ candidate who’s credentials are comparable if not better, who put himself through school, has a fraction of the baggage and achieved some pretty impressive stuff without marrying a political rising star, etc…
Dude, sound off and just come out and fucking say it. You believe too much of the country including maybe YOU is still too bigoted to vote for a smart, ambitious black man. These voters are the same people who’ve helped elect “Tell me about how I get to tend the rabbits, again George” Fucking Bush, a certifiable trust fund retard TWICE. Oh fucking sign me up to do that all over again. Who am I to question THEIR wisdom. Where do you think we’d be now if these same voters stayed home in 2000 and 2004?
Hint: NOT in Iraq. Not bankrupt and not divided like we are.
How is it Hillary’s got all these amazing credentials and SHE just can’t close the the mfn’ deal?
Why is she broke and dipping into
her stashbill’s speaking engagement money?Yeah, I think before I go into a voting booth, and I’m not afraid of brown and black people who are smart. I’m an elitist.
We’re tired of Political Animals, we want a freakin’ Leader.
Conservatively Liberal
Shorter Hillary: “I am in this race because I believe that I am the whiter candidate.”
Just Some Fuckhead
She could have really knocked this speech out of the park with a promise of free weatherband radios to the first 100 contributors.
dr. bloor
The owner of the building is threatening to turn off the power unless she forks up some cash right now.
PeterJ
Bush: I quit golf over Iraq war.
That explains a lot. My guess, he quit reading after 9/11, since he was reading when he was told about the attack.
Captain USA
News Flash: Racists are racist.
t jasper parnell
It is not that bad a speech. The problem is that her argument is weak.
Dreggas
Listening to her Panhandle by telling everyone to go to her website and listening to her lie and pander on Michigan and Florida I want to hit something. Shameless, just like W.
Dennis - SGMM
Isn’t there something vaguely obscene about Clinton asking the people of one of the poorest states in the union for their money?
PeterJ
The part when Lincoln asked for money was always the best part of his speeches.
t jasper parnell
I do wish, however, that she would not drop the gerund.
Conservatively Liberal
Dennis, that OxyClean comment had me LMAO. Fucking gold.
Splitting Image
“From TPM, this seems important:
Mississippi 1st (19%)
Childers (D) 55% 9,150
Davis®45% 7,583”
I saw that too. Go team!
Just as a side note, the Democrats in this district who have been working to get Childers elected are the same ones that P.Luk has been saying in the last couple of threads shouldn’t have so much say in the presidential election.
You know. Democrats living in states that “won’t vote Democrat” in November. Thought I’d point it out. :o)
dr. bloor
The OxyClean was great, but I think we have a winner here.
Just Some Fuckhead
Four-score and seven delegates are being denied to me by our party fathers..
Phoenix Woman
I really don’t want to see Paul banned. It’s heartbreaking to see what’s happened to him. I’m heartsick reading him here, because that’s not the Paul Lukasiak I knew over at Salon’s Table Talk back in the 1990s.
I just don’t get his white-hot frothing hatred of Obama. I really don’t — that’s not how the Paul I knew talked about people, even George W. Bush when he was looking up Bush’s service records.
It can’t be Rezko: Rezko had contacts all across both parties, including with Hillary Clinton’s buddies John Burgess of IPA and LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa as well as Rod Blagojevich and Bob Kjellander, Rove’s good friend. (The Rove/US Attorney scandal connection means that even if there was anything to the scandal rumors you keep trying to push — and funny how Obama wasn’t put on trial along with Rezko the way people like you kept implying would happen — the Rove connection will make this kryptonite to the national media from now on.)
It can’t be Wright — not when Hillary has her own preacher issues with Doug Coe. (And really, I’m disappointed in Hillary in taking a man who had stood with her and Bill in their hour of need back in September of 1998 and repaid him by using him to attack somebody else. It’s grimly reminiscent of how they used Sister Souljah back in 1992, and Donna Brazile warned them not to do it.)
Is it fear that Obama’s skin color will keep him from the nomination? That fear isn’t held by anyone watching the huge voter turnouts in the Democratic primaries and caucuses over the past four months — greater than the GOP ones, even when the GOP nomination was still being seriously contested.
Paul needs to visit Poblano’s site for a reality check. And then go out and get some fresh air. Come to think of it, so will I, once I finish this sentence.
Dennis - SGMM
Agreed, however I have four more beers and I’m not afraid to use them.
cleek
.. and support Bill and I. It’s hard living like a commoner, pumping your own gas, drinking in bars, pretending to like guns, it sucks. Now we’ve put a lot of our own money into this, and it hasn’t paid-off; so, I’m here tonight to ask you to give us our money back.
Dreggas
This is the dumbest fucking speech I have heard. As for the dope that sold his video games to donate to Hillary he got a raw deal.
Just Some Fuckhead
Favorite crowd freak: guy with bowling pin.
fahey
She took money from a kid who sold his bike? She’s rich, she needs to buy him a new bicycle.
OriGuy
The Mississippi CD 1 race is being liveblogged at http://www.swingstateproject.com.
Martin
Hillary sucks. Here’s what an overwhelming win looks like:
Obama 79%Clinton 17%
Just need a state full of black voters like Idaho. Thank God Hillary dropped out after that defeat. There’s no way someone could carry on after that…
Warren Terra
This goes back to just after Super Tuesday, when the Obama campaign leaked its vote and delegate predictions for the next four months of contests. They were almost eerily accurate – and the errors came by underestimating Obama’s support – for about a month and a half, but have been less accurate in the last few weeks. For some reason, Pup Tent Democrat seems to have moved his particular goal posts to where anytime Obama underperforms that old piece of paper he’s losing; I’d guess it’s a common meme in the Hillosphere.
Still, not so offensive a talking point as most of theirs, so I guess we should be glad we got it rather than more of the White Power stuff.
Dennis - SGMM
“…and little Dalton Walton who sold his sister to white slavers and donated the money to my campaign…”
Notorious P.A.T.
You do, however, show leadership by hiring a sleazy incompetent like Mark Penn to run your campaign, then continuing to rain money on him even as he drives your candidacy off a cliff.
You know, I’m not sure that black voters choosing to vote, on their own, for a black candidate is “race-pimping”. Let’s ask Rush Limbaugh, he would know.
Oh yeah, she’s so knowledgeable that she didn’t need to bother reading our intel on Iraq before voting to authorize Bush to invade. How competent she was, to trust such an obvious idiot and sociopath with the world’s most powerful war machine.
Wilfred
Good background at Repub Panic in Mississippi, too.
TR
Man, it takes a lot of nerve to talk about a little boy who sold his bike to send your campaign a check when everyone knows it’s money flushed down the drain, and she’s sitting on $80 million more of her own cash to throw after it.
“No, no, Billy. You toss down your $20, and then we’ll follow it up with our $20 million.”
fahey
From David Weigel@ Yglesias
Democrats who won West Virginia and lost the White House.
Dukakis
Carter (1980)
Humphrey
Stevenson
Conservatively Liberal
I like Olbermann’s synopsis:
Que fundraising…
Que seating Florida & Michigan…
Que confetti…
This was supposed to be ‘teh bestest speach evah!’? Bleh.
dr. bloor
I’d have sworn she said the slavers were Big Scary Negroes.
Just Some Fuckhead
If they had any class, they’d have explained to the kid that it’s all but impossible for them to win now and he should keep his money because it won’t do any good and they already have a hundred million dollars and three houses.
Dreggas
Well that suggests that the Clintons have class…
Warren Terra
That story was frontpaged at the GOS yesterday or the day before, iirc. It wasn’t just his bicycle, it was also his video games. Given that any money given now is going straight into repaying the Clintons’ personal loan, he sacrificed to save Bill less than a minute’s worth of after-dinner speaking.
What do these people keep where they used to house their self-respect?
jake
She’s not talking to them. She’s talking to the hard working white Americans who do have money and who might be impressed by her non-elitist interaction with the West Virginians.
Conservatively Liberal
Agreed, however I have a bong and I am using it.
One home run after another tonight. What a group of commentators!
PLUKZILLA
SHE means the TIES that BIND oerage juice SLURPING obambis to THEIR race BAITING!!
libarbarian
“Populist Hillary” is like “New Coke”
Martin
How do you think you get 100 million dollars and 3 houses? By talking people out of money that they could put toward better things.
John S.
Ah, I think I discovered the source of the earlier mind-meld.
Just Some Fuckhead
McMoney actually said just now that HRC would help with the downticket races. Well, yeah, if yer trying to get Republicans elected.
p.lukasiak
I’m glad I’m supporting someone who will fight for the nomination — not run away from voters.
and I’m glad I’m supporting a candidate who has enough class to give a concession speech when she loses. Obama showwed what a petulant child he is by refusing to give a concession speech once the results came in.
He’s so like Bush, no wonder Cole supports him.
Dreggas
You really are ‘tarded. Get your head out of your ass before you suffocate.
TheFountainHead
I gotta tell you guys, I managed to keep the TV off al night and played Team Fortress 2 for 4 straight hours to miss all the coverage, and I couldn’t be happier that I did, and I really can’t say I feel as though I missed anything.
John Cole
This is getting funny.
Dreggas
Tweety just served McCauliffe what a dipshit terry is.
TheFountainHead
I think p.luk is TZ’s alter-ego, and he’s giggling to the point of tears right now.
Just Some Fuckhead
Jesus, TF is still out there? What gaming platform is it played on now?
Martin
plucky must have been in a coma in February. Hillary didn’t even thank supporters or congratulate Obama pretty much the entire month that he was kicking her ass.
Or did you lose that to alcoholic amnesia?
But if Obama didn’t give a concession, then that’s weak.
Soylent Green
Ignoring Paul Lukasiak, something I have failed to do repeatedly, is not accomplished by earnest entreaties to others to ignore Lukasiak. Any response to or mention of Lukasiak is self-defeating. It’s like trying to get to the end of a Moebius strip.
Ignoring Lukasiak is a simple act. Just step away from the keyboard until the urge has passed.
I solemnly pledge, from this day forward, to ignore Lukasiak.
TheFountainHead
I think most of them, though I’m not a console gamer and can’t really say. TF2 is perhaps the most fun you can have dismembering people anywhere, and it sure as hell beats being subjected to Hillary and Tweety off and on for a whole evening.
Jorge
The weirdest part has been listening to Wolf Blitzer wonder all day if tonight’s margin would somehow change the dynamics of the race. He acts as if a week ago today nobody had any clue that Hillary was still going to win West Virginia in a landslide.
Looking back at the numbers, the polls, Clinton’s kitchen sink, Obama’s ride it out attitude, and the famous “spreadsheet”, it is obvious that all of the insiders must have known since super Tuesday that Obama was the nominee. The last 3 months have been all about the pundits trying to get rich out of creating a horse race and the Clinton campaign being paniced, desparate.
Talk about tough – how tough has it been for Obama to grin and bear it while the Hillary campaign and the media came to terms with reality?
fahey
Tweety just served McCauliffe what a dipshit terry is.
And McCauliffe had no answer for Olberman’s question about Hillary’s 180 on Michigan.
Just Some Fuckhead
p.luk is a rhetorical kamikaze.
Krista
Yep. I’ve been working steadily on trying to beat “The 100” challenge on Desktop Tower Defense. It’s frustrating enough to make me want to beat my head against the wall. Yet it’s MUCH more enjoyable than watching the coverage of the primaries.
SamFromUtah
Nah, the problem with New Coke was that it was too sweet.
fahey
Wolf Blitzer wonder all day if tonight’s margin would somehow change the dynamics of the race.
Ratings, it’s all about ratings.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Why would TZ spoof a well-known poster, though? I’m thinking he’s more of a Justin/kwAwk.
TheFountainHead
I think he would prefer: “Rhetorical Suicide Bomber” He thinks they get Virgins.
Notorious P.A.T.
Congratulations Senator Clinton. This was a really big win for your campaign. Your base is low-education voters, and Obama’s base is highly-educated voters. So it was a real accomplishment for you to win West Virginia, which is only dead last in the country in percentage of people with a college degree (and barely above half the national average). A win there was bound to be hard for you, but you gutted it out. Keep up the good work.
TR
When Obama had his unbroken streak of 13 victories earlier in the campaign, Hillary never once congratulated him in her speeches. Not once. Go back and take a look at her speeches. It was rudeness defined.
And Obama was on a plane to Michigan when the results came in. He had already called her — and she was too busy to take the call, mind you — and congratulated her on the win.
Christ, you’re a fucking retard.
Dreggas
of course not, just like a Hillary Shill, no answer because there is no good one to cover up without lying.
Just Some Fuckhead
..which is a case for better college funding, not for a Clinton candidacy.
cleek
he knows that. he’s a troll. ignore him.
Warren Terra
Do you have a cite for this? Pretty incredible if true – and hopefully a stake in the heart of the ‘unity ticket’ nonsense.
Notorious P.A.T.
Oh, come on now. There’s going to be 50-some primaries. Do we really expect 50-some concession speeches to be given? Aren’t there better ways to use their time?
t jasper parnell
I, for one, would like to congratulate Hillary Clinton on taking a young boy’s bicycle.
The Commander Guy
Holy Shit. Watched MSNBC and I just realized Terry McAuliffe is the next coming of Dick Vitale.
This is another reason to dislike McAuliffe.
Conservatively Liberal
Indeed. :)
I have family and friends who have this disability, and I believe that they would take offense at being associated with that piece of crap. Please amend that to:
Thanks. :)
tBone
I’m thinking meth. Which means he’s partly responsible for the fact that it takes me five minutes and a pair of tin snips to get one fucking allergy pill out of its packaging. Fuck you, p.luk (and other meth cooks)!
This makes more sense than most of p.luk’s output over the past few weeks. Well done.
PC, Xbox 360 and PS3.
Conservatively Liberal
Tweety or Olbermann said it a bit ago. I have the tube running in the background. It’s true.
Unity indeed.
Conservatively Liberal
Tweety asks what Huckabee would think about the Mississippi race tonight and the other recent Repub losses, and what does it mean for this fall. Keith said that Huckabee was still ‘in front of the camera, so lets ask him’. Huckabee says ‘I may be in front of the camera, but with that question I wish I wasn’t‘.
They know they are in trouble. No doubt about it.
Queixada
Only Hillary would boast about only being able to get inbred voters.
Stuttering John
Clinton’s winning the old, uneducated vote ?
But I thought I was Hero Of The Stupid ?
Usurper ! Usurper ! U-u-u-u-surper!
freddy
Mr. Cole,
In politics, a 2 to 1 victory means you won 60% to 40%.
The Disgruntled Chemist
Unless a non-negligible percentage votes for another candidate.
The Disgruntled Chemist
Unless a non-negligible percentage votes for a third candidate.
Lynne
I know it must make John so proud to know what his commenters think about the state he lives in. Why, imagine how very hard it must be for him to get out of bed every morning and shuffle off to teach a bunch of inbred, dumb yokels that will never, no matter how much education they have, share the enlightened thinking of his commentariat. Wow, no wonder he loves his beer – he has to drink himself into oblivion every night in order to face another day standing in front of the unwashed masses that are his students. Poor, poor John. If anyone knows of any openings in the communications department of a university located in one of those “educated states” that each and every one of you so obviously resides, please send him the job posting. He obviously needs to get out of West Virginia pronto.
The Disgruntled Chemist
Shit! I refreshed and my first comment wasn’t there, so I posted again. I blame…I dunno, p.luk I guess.
slippy hussein toad
CL, my pet pile of poo is offended by you and is crying itself to . . . .sleep in the corner right now.
You bastard!
freddy
Must be a Disgruntled Chicago Chemist… post early post often.
Chicago is my reference for the 60%-40% 2 to 1 split. It was pretty much the minimum margin Old Man Daley won by over and over… with no 3rd party involved.
EdTheRed
Way down in West Virginia,
There are some people who are one of a kind.
They don’t need nothin’ from nobody,
‘Cause they’re already doin’ fine.
You got Bubba Clinton stumpin’,
An’ Hillary’s raisin’ hell.
The legend of D Ray White,
Will never die like a rebel yell.
Justin
That’s not true, because Obama’s ‘experience’ is nothing but, and I didn’t see it at first and neither did a lot of people. I was just as you are, John Cole, saying that ‘experience’ had gotten us into a lot of problems, etc etc — but let’s not sacrifice hard qualifications as a criteria for President simply because we had experienced, but mal-intentioned, people running Washington for the last 8 years. Senator Clinton really is more qualified. She had an in-depth role in policy formulation for 2 Clinton terms. She’s been a Senator for the last 8 years and is on the Foreign Relations Committee. She really would be ‘ready to go on day one’ and would not have to learn on the job.
What’s more, many of the preconceptions and views you hold of Hillary are inaccurate or the result of media fantasy. I know I’m not going to win you over, but try to remember that you spent the 1990’s as a Republican, and didn’t see some of the controversies that turned you against her in the same light.
bostondreams
What I love is that the Clintonites like Pot Luck insist that small states ‘don’t matter.’ That is…until Clinton wins one.
Pathetic.
Justin
Also, remember that ‘everyone knew’ that this race was over. Until everyone was proven wrong, tonight. That shows you how much conventional wisdom on MSNBC and the rest of the press is worth…remember the Iraq war bandwagon? You jumped onto that one too. Think it over.
John Cole
I didn’t write what you are referring to- P. Lukasiak did. Kinda makes what you wrote look pretty fucking stupid, because I assure you that Lukasiak did not spend the 90’s as a Clinton-hating Republican.
Jesus, is blockquoting really kicking your ass that hard?
bostondreams
Yeah, Justin, how did that policy making work out? Oh, wait, what was it? Oh yeah. Health care. And she butchered it. And she really has done such a kick ass job as a Senator, what with her flag burning amendment, that whole war thing, and oh so many others. Please. If you want the ‘experience’ route, McCain would beat them both hands down. And guess what. Obama has a whole lot more experience than (gasp) Abe Lincoln. Does that make him a better candidate than Lincoln? No. But it shows how silly this whole ‘experience’ argument is.
Conservatively Liberal
I am truly sorry. Be sure to pet it and reassure it that there is nothing else like it in the world. Make it feel special.
Then wash your hands. :D
John, maybe you need to write a “WordPress for
DummiesClinton Supporters” manual.Delia
Hell, I live in Oregon and I have to order my pseudophed over the internets now cuz the state law here won’t even let you buy the stuff anymore.
And as for West Virginia, let me take a moment to say I have never been prouder of the Democrats of the state of my birth, Utah, for showing that we are not the most retarded people in the country. And neither are the Democrats of Idaho, where most of my relatives live.
And I turned in my Oregon ballot today, so the old ladies for Hillary can stop calling me.
John Cole
Can we just stop now?
I have spent the last two weeks having my state treated like a freak show, and am near the end of my rope. I told you this would happen, as there are a lot of factors. Race, education levels, older voters are all important, but the big factor I think is that the Clintons are a known quantity. Times were good when he was President, and they remember that.
I am a little tired of my state being picked on. They really are good people, and you can’t base your decision on the state on the freak show you saw in the media. It just isn’t the WV I know.
p.lukasiak
small republican states don’t matter. I’ve never said that states like delaware and rhode Island and vermont and new hampshire don’t matter. West Virginia is a swing state… I mean, not only did Bill Clinton win it twice, Dukakis even won there.
But the reasl disaster for Obama in West Virginia isn’t the margins…its the fact that he didn’t show up there. He basically sent people in West Virginia — and people like them — the message “I don’t care about your concerns, your lives or your votes.”
This is the coward you want for President?
EdTheRed
Well said…although, for the record, I believe you’re the one who brought up Jesco White (Likes: dancing; Dislikes: Sloppy, slimy eggs).
p.lukasiak
exactly. And that is why Obama is gonna lose in November. Obama sent a great big “fuck you” to West Virginians, and everyone who is like them, by not taking the opportunity to introduce himself to WV voters.
I have spent the last two weeks having my state treated like a freak show, and am near the end of my rope. I told you this would happen, as there are a lot of factors. Race, education levels, older voters are all important, but the big factor I think is that the Clintons are a known quantity. Times were good when he was President, and they remember that.
the freak show is your commenters John. These are the people that Obama attracts — and were it not for the fact that ou live in WV, you wouldn’t even notice what is going on here.
EdTheRed
You know, I’m a native Washingtonian, and I seem to recall Hillary losing DC worse than Obama lost West Virginia, and not doing a whole hell of a lot of campaigning around here, despite the fact that her HQ is right across the river. Pretty much sent the message to the most reliably Democratic jurisdiction in the country that she didn’t give care about our concerns, our lives, or our votes.
But hey, we’re just a bunch of latte-sipping elitists and African Americans, not the “backbone of the Democratic party” voters…you know, the ones who have been voting Republican since 1980?
bostondreams
Oh, yes, Hillary is so brave to campaign in a state where she was expected to win by a massive margin. Where was she in DC? Oh, i forgot, Hillary prefers to campaign in states like Michigan, where she couldn’t even win all of the votes when she was the ONLY candidate on the ballot, a point you folks seem to ignore. If Clinton can barely squeak past ‘Uncommitted,’ how can she possibly win the general election?
As to winning West Virginia, sure, Dukakis won it. And still LOST the general election. Fat lot of good it did him, hmmm? You are just being stupid, you, in your own words, ‘sack of shit.’
Oh, and as for Bill, who I voted for twice, the man couldn’t even win more than 49% of the vote against two of the weakest Republican candidates in recent memory. And yet, you hold him up as some sort of beacon of glory. Why? He was NEVER the choice of a MAJORITY of Americans. Or do you, in your silly little world, forget that as you describe the Clinton years as some lost utopia?
p.lukasiak
Wow…. I thought a 33% margin was impressive….
But its up to 41% now. Its not even a 2 to 1 victory, its a 2.5 to 1 victory
*********
You know, I’m a native Washingtonian, and I seem to recall Hillary losing DC worse than Obama lost West Virginia, and not doing a whole hell of a lot of campaigning around here,
Lets see… it was the week after Super Tuesday. On saturday before that, there were contests in three other states…and another one on sunday. and two other states (MD and VA) were in play on the same day as DC….
compare that to….
West Virginia. The only state that day. No contests between the previous tuesday (when only 2, not 22, states were in play) and West Virginia.
Yeah, its really comparable. Moron.
Conservatively Liberal
slippery hussein toad, you ought to do something about that pile of poo. Now we got
p.huk playinga fly buzzing around in it.Plus it drives the property value down.
bostondreams
Congrats to Clinton on her West Virginia victory. I know that Pluck will say the same when Obama swamps her in Oregon. Or does that state not matter either?
Hey, Pluck, no Democrat has won the GE without winning Minnesota. Clinton lost Minnesota. Ergo, she loses the GE. Why won’t she realize that?
Delia
Actually, John, I know how you feel. Much of the time I feel the same way about Utah, even though I don’t live there anymore.
Conservatively Liberal
At least you don’t live on the ‘left coast’, that horrible place that is full of latte sipping, Prius driving, Birkenstock wearing LIBRULS who hate the rest of our country and want to surrender to the terrorists.
Now I just have to figure out why I don’t own a Prius, wear Birkenstocks or drink lattes.
Phoenix Woman
When or if Paul comes to his senses, he’s going to regret the many, many ill-advised posts he’s made here and elsewhere. He is simply not the same person I knew over at Table Talk. That Paul Lukasiak would never act out like this, not even against George W. Bush — and Paul spent most of 2000 and 2001 researching Bush’s military service or near-complete lack thereof. It’s just incomprehensible that the precise, calm, and rational Paul of that time could talk the way he’s talking now.
TenguPhule
They voted for Bush twice.
That in and of itself earns them at least six more years of mocking.
TenguPhule
That reminds me, Hillary still too afraid to apologize for being a dipshit that helped Bush destroy Iraq?
Conservatively Liberal
Yup.
Mylegacy
Canadian observer here.
For a party that wanted the Supreme Court to rule on 500 “shards” the Dems seem very sanguine about writing off the millions of their supporters that voted in snowy Michigan and sunny Florida. As an outside observer it beggars belief that the millions of Democrats in those two HUGE, IMPORTANT states are going to be disenfranchised because of the insanity of a few of their states leaders. You CANNOT punish millions for the sins of a few – unless of course you believe in the self confessed mass murdering father of a son of a virgin – in which case not connecting to reality is an easy stretch.
A backroom deal that partly seats some of those states representatives at the convention is equally appalling. They BOTH must have meaningful votes and they must have them soon.
Neither Obama nor Clinton are nearly as important as are the members of the party. The party is either democratic or it isn’t – your call.
Personally, I think either of these two would be a million times better than McBush and I can’t see anyway that America could vote for 4 more years of Republican lies, sleaze, war and death.
Conservatively Liberal
Mylegacy, Florida sought to be a player by going outside the rules. When they were called on it, they blamed the republican control of the state put it out of their hands. That is, until they were found to be complicit in the sham via video tape.
Michigan is a whole ‘nuther story, but they screwed up too. Even Hillary campaign members approved of the sanctions against the states. MacAuliffe even threatened Carl Levin with sanctions in 2004, so they are no strangers to how the game is played.
Rewarding them now by making them kingmakers when every other state followed the rules would be wrong and set a poor precedent. Next election, it would be a free for all as to who goes first, and we would be starting the mess a year before the election.
Maybe you are not familiar with the ins and outs of American politics, I know I am no expert on Canada, but it isw way more involved than you (or Hillary and her supporters) make it out to be.
It has been hashed over here many times. Do some searching, it ought to be easy to find.
myiq2xu
Como chinges “rewarding?”
It’s called disenfranchising two important states that the Democrats need in November.
The only reason the Obama supporters want them disenfranchised is the states voted for Hillary.
BTW – The “rules” called for a reduction in the number of delegates, not a death penalty.
And nothing in the rules says that the popular vote totals from those two states don’t count.
rachel
There are Democrats in Utah (besides Rocky Anderson)?
But seriously, my folks voted for Obama over Clinton because they’re naive enough to believe in that Vince Foster/Whitewater/tax-and-spend Democrats BS Scaife et al. had been putting out all through the ’90s, not because they’re open-minded. Also, Dad fears socialized medicine* like a kindergartner fears the bogeyman. When the general rolls ’round, they’ll go McCain and the whole rest of the Republican ticket.
Utahns have no cause to be snooty.
*You know, that evil plot of Hillary’s.
Conservatively Liberal
Fixed. Nothing else you stated has not already been blown out of the water repeatedly. Now repeat after me:
It’s the damn delegates that count, nothing else matters. Hillary needs more than twice as many delegates as Barack needs to win. It is next to impossible. It is over. I like hot goat sex.
Good! Now go back to blowing goats, please?
PLUKZILLA
WEST VIRGNA is the only STATE in union that isn’t overrun by RACE BAITERS!
Terry
I’m a Boone County boy (transplanted to Parkersburg), and I’m not surprised by the huge break for Clinton. As much as I love my home county, it’s definitely home to plenty of low-wattage rednecks.
Obama’s my candidate, so I really dread the idea of the state going to John McCain in the fall.
rachel
Master baiters?
Anticorium
And the only reason the Hillary supporters want them disenfranchised is that the compromise plan that Michigan’s Democrats came up with doesn’t give her the nomination on a silver platter.
You do know there’s a compromise plan that the state’s already approved that would allow them to get their delegates into the convention, but Hillary told them to go to hell, right?
Tax Analyst
Agreed. It’s like I said in another thread, if you feed the squirrels they will keep coming back.
If only we could stop tossing acorns at p luk…but it’s really very hard to do given the obtuse and obnoxious nature of his posts.
I am, however, going to try and turn it into a positive. From this point on every time p luk uses the term “race-pimping” I will pledge $1 to the Obama campaign. I’m only going to be able to count the threads I read, however, unless someone takes up the task of providing a daily count. I’ll make my donation for this week after 2pm Pacific Time on Thursday.
If nothing else, maybe this will stop p luk from his continued use of that phrase. If not, it will raise money for his Very Own Personal Demon, the Evil Barack Obama.
Anybody else in?
LanceThruster
Where the fuck did I put my foam brick?
—–
Goddammit! I’m supposed to throw a FOAM brick at the TV?!?!? (slaps forehead).
Well, I guess I needed to upgrade to a HDTV soon anyway.
I don’t want to chance missing another “greatest speech in the history of all man(and woman)kind” in the future and not see someone asking for more money so she can continue to ignore the hole in her sinking ship in high definition. That’d be a damn shame to be sure.