A commenter left this link to Terri Gross’s interview with Michael Greenberger. It really could get very bad relative to what it already is. When you have 38 minutes, listen and learn about the shadow economy that threatens to completely ruin our economy (and everyone else’s.)
Greenberger insists he is not a pessimist about the economy; he says that “intelligent leaders” — coupled with government aid, transparency and regulation — can enable the American economy to transcend its current troubles. But he has harsh words for the companies that were engaging in questionable practices — and for the government that turned a blind eye to the potential consequences.
And, it seems to me, he is very clear about who is to blame – the Republican Congress in 2000.
Punchy
A money guy named….Greenberger?
I call shenanigans.
El Cruzado
You mean we can’t blame Clinton anymore?
d0n Camillo
If there’s one thing we should have learned from the Clinton years, it’s that the American economy is perfectly capable of top to bottom growth as long as we have someone reasonably competent running it. The last 8 years shows us what happens when you have actively incompetent numb nuts running the show. Thank God the McCain’s post convention bounce appears to be fading. We can’t afford to have either him or that fundy whack job running partner of his anywhere near the levers of our economy.
r€nato
I’ve listened to the interview three times already. Fascinating.
Fresh Air is must-listening for me and should be for you, too. That show and This American Life alone justify NPR’s existence.
They even excuse the execrable Scott Simon, who has completely ruined Weekend Edition for me.
r€nato
fixd
Noah
A new poll came out that says Christians love torture!
Bostondreams
Not sure if this has been linked yet, but Sullivan points out this lovely little email making the rounds.
The Obama as the AntiChrist Meme Returns…with Palin as the Savior
pharniel
also 2004 congress and president.
basically the entire kleptocracy of the last 8 or so years.
Bostondreams
Oops. Stupid links.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/18/palin_email/index.html
Sorry, Mr. Cole
r€nato
really, is it any coincidence that the following have happened while Bush/Cheney and the GOP were minding the store:
Enron
Worldcom
trillions in new debt
Katrina
Mortgage meltdown
Financial meltdown
Currency meltdown
Rampant political corruption
Rampant military contractor corruption
Two failed wars
And still about 40% of the people want to vote for another four years of this mess.
I mean, shit, if that shit doesn’t cure you from voting Republican than nothing will.
r€nato
yeah but the Democrats won Congress in 2006 so it is all their fault!!!!
/wingnut
I really wish stupid were a disease you could die from, then this shit would take care of itself, wouldn’t it?
jeff
Regonomics comes home to roost.
Zifnab
But what could possibly transcend such a mountain of trouble? You’d need some sort of enchanted politically harmonizing equestrian beast to hurdle such an obstacle. What would you even call such an animal?
pharniel
back in febuary I was helping a freind get her black belt (by helping i mean ‘being faceless attacker #2 who gets the unholy fuck kicked, thrown, locked and stabbed out of him) and had a chance to talk to said friend’s mother, who’s a phd of economics.
know what i got out of that? the ‘cra caused all this shit, becasue the government made banks make bad loans’
*boggle*
when phd’s are getting this wrong, it makes me want to hurt people.
d0n Camillo
Thanks for the fix, Renato. The things is, if we just leave the American economy more or less alone and regulate to prevent extremes, we wouldn’t be in the fix we are in. But the GOP couldn’t leave things alone. They were so much smarter than the DFHs running the White House in the 90s. Well I guess they showed us. If this had happened on Clinton’s watch, we’d never hear the end of it. It would be considered second only to lying about a blow job in the pantheon of Clinton sins.
Bubblegum Tate
Damn, you beat me to it. I suppose I shouldn’t be amazed that wingnuts actually say that with a straight face, but I kind of am.
SGEW
Just had a brief mention in the “Some Help” thread.
I’m personally looking forward to the wider U.S. getting a good look at the true weird-ass fundamentalism rotting out the American core. Hopefully most people will recoil in horror (as they should), and rethink the whole anti-secular thing.
Sigh. Well, here’s hoping. (and will Maher’s “Religulous” really help?)
tim serbo
may i just point out that a wingnut i used to have truck with (i have since stopped returning his calls) insisted to me that enron and worldcom were a direct consequence of bill clinton’s dalliance with monica lewinsky. leaders take signals from other leaders, he explained, and bill’s regrettable actions signaled to all those CEOs that they, too, could break any rule they wanted to. that makes sense, i sweetly replied. could he then tell me, i asked, what failures of ronald reagan’s leadership gave rise to the insider-trading scandals of the 1980s?
for some reason, i received no reply.
r€nato
yeah that doesn’t seem all that difficult, now does it?
dude, we never hear the end of shit that didn’t happen on Clinton’s watch, like, um, 9/11.
Nice handle, btw :-)
r€nato
May I point out to you LIE-berals that you just don’t get it about McCain and Spain.
1) He is going to declare war on Spain, a NATO ally. What’s more mavericky than that?
2) He’s against illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants speak Spanish. It’s just part of the broader War on Immigration.
Dennis - SGMM
Just How Bad Could the Economy Get?
So bad that Cindy McCain has to drink Budweiser.
liberal
pharniel wrote,
Given she had an economics PhD, it’s hardly surprising.
One thing that conservative economists claim—which I agree with—is that incentives matter.
Now, guess what sector of the economy has lots of money to spend on PhD economists? And guess what their view on political economy is?
‘Nuff said.
Michael D.
Heh!
lethargytartare
win
Lee
Actually it is all Clinton’s fault
Here
/snark off
JackieBinAZ
Isn’t Budweiser one of those elitist foreign beers now?
Napoleon
Hey everyone, I just saw a picture in our newspaper of this huge resort AIG is building in Stowe, VT and since we all own it now (well except for Krista and the other Canadians and furriners here) I say we organize the first annual Bolloon Juice ski outing at it this winter.
Who is in?
TenguPhule
A unicorn.
Brachiator
So bad the Republicans are thinking about jumping into the WABAC Machine to fix things.
Notorious P.A.T.
I’m personally looking forward to the wider U.S. getting a good look at the true weird-ass fundamentalism rotting out the American core
That’d be nice. Unfortunately most Americans would just continue under the delusion that their invisible savior in the clouds is waaaaay different than Palin’s invisible savior in the clouds. They’ll keep chucking money into the collection plate, keep forcing their children to say their prayers before bedtime, keep insisting that relgion has a space in the public sphere and can easily coexist with science and reason. They will, in other words, keep this mass delusion alive long enough for a whole new generation to discover what the Bible *really* says and get caught up in the fundamentalist trap all over again.