Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

I really should read my own blog.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

He really is that stupid.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

Conservatism: there are some people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

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Election Live Blog #2

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Moving up here, because Tim and Michael want to change the way we liveblog. New posts will be at the top.

9:43 pm (John)- Ohio throws that idiot Joe the Plumber under the god damned bus. I hope they back up over him. This is over.

9:22: Mitch Mconnell wins. Ugh. (MD) But as I said earlier, I am not disappointed by that. I am not a McCoonnell fan. I am also not a shitty campaign tactic fan.

***

9:18 pm (Tim) – Here comes the fork. FOX calls Ohio for Obama.

9:04 pm (John)- Although the state and local races are really more important to the average voter, and then after that the US House and Senate races, it really is irritating me right now when they spend time covering the House and Senate races. Obama and McCain is all I care about.

9:01 pm: FOX briefly calls Ohio for Obama, then takes it back. Stop toying with me.

8:56 pm (Tim) Mark Steyn at the Corner:

I find that Keystone calling a bit premature given that a grand total of no precincts had reported. On the other hand, in good news for the GOP, CNN just put up a graphic showing Susan Collins with 100% of the vote and her challenger with 0%.

I can say without exaggeration that I have better election commentary in my pants.

8:54 pm (John) – I say again, this is taking too damned long.

8:39 pm (Tim) – Obama is -10 in KY with 50% reporting. It will be a sign if he kicks Kerry’s ass that isn’t known for racial harmony.

8:34 pm (Tim) – Watching FOX now. I have a champagne bottle of my sublime Baracktoberfest stout reserved for the moment that Brit Hume calls it for the Unity Pony.

8:33 pm (John)- Alabama goes to Johnny and the plumbers.

8:27 pm (John)- According to the GOS, Hagan, Warner, and Shaheen all won, so that is Blue +3, and Liddy Dole can spend the next few months helping Bob use up the complimentary viagra left over from 1996. +I Lost Count (although I think 7 is a safe guestimate)

8:20 pm (John)- Mom just called, and apparently one of the networks called WV for McCain, which should surprise approximately no one.

8:11 pm (John)- Suck it, Trebek. I guess PA went to Obama according to some channels other than CNN. I get only Fox and CNN, so I have to stick with CNN.

8:43: Didn’t see that we had a new Live Blog. We own Pennsylvania, bitches! (MD)

8:46: According to CNN, 102:34. Awesome. I am openly taunting my partner. I don’t know what he is fucking thinking. (MD)

8:53: Buh bye Liddy! Good riddance! (MD)

Reader Interactions

284Comments

  1. 1.

    ChrisA

    Can you peek in on Fox Noise periodically and let us know if they’re commiting sepuku. . . so we can tune in. Otherwise, we’ll start the new strategy of jsut ignoring them.

  3. 3.

    Traig

    PA is in the bag. Time to open the Lagavulin 16. Will hit that for a while, then it’s on to a Dogfish Head 120 min IPA and then… who knows.

  6. 6.

    Krista

    Florida is also looking quite good right now.

    And yeah, NBC is projecting PA for Obama. This is starting to get exciting — you are going to have a seriously giddy (and drunk) readership tonight, methinks.

  8. 8.

    liberatemeiexinfernis

    anyone seeing the McCain party in AZ? looks like they are having a blast..or they are high….

  9. 9.

    raff

    I’m watching the election on Fox. The general mood seems to be resigned to an Obama win. It’s just all about making excuses for McCain from here on in…

  11. 11.

    Delia

    I just came in. Had NPR on in the car. They were talking about Ohio and had some correspondent at Repub headquarters there (don’t remember what city). She said everything was set up for a big party . . . . BUT . . . nobody was there. She kept going on about, um, "party" politics, and finally suggested they go over to the correspondent at the Dem headquarters to see if things were happier there.

  15. 15.

    Will Hunting

    repeat post from last thread. How is electoral-vote.com giving Obama OH and NC already???

    I am pumped. Killer bottle of red with the wife right now.

  16. 16.

    MeDrewNotYou

    Via MSNBC, in NC 24% of white voters say race was a factor. Of that group, 30% voted Obama.

    Judging from how my NC relatives act, I find that damn encouraging for the country.

  17. 17.

    Laura W

    Too bad you don’t have MSNBC because I for one can not get enough of David Gregory asking Gene Robinson what part race is playing and what would an Obama victory say about our country.
    +3.25 (wishing for filet, asparagus and garlic mashed taters.)

  18. 18.

    Genine

    On MSNBC, they were just speaking about those who voted for Obama in NC, even though race was a factor for them.

    But from the stories I’ve read, its like those people were so fed up with what’s been happening that they voted for Obama anyway.

    I think its good some people are willing to put their bigotry aside for a good common cause.

    It gives one hope.

  19. 19.

    Alan

    Geebus, what is wrong with the canvassing board in Palm Beach? MSNBC is discussing the idiocy of their absentee ballot. The voter has to complete an arrow rather than just mark the friggin’ spot next to their candidate. That county is run by morons (or is it morans?).

    BTW, White Russians are a great choice for election night. It’s like desert.

  20. 20.

    raff

    I suggest watching the coverage on Fox. Shep Whatshisname, tried to get in a "Obama gonna raise your taxes!" line & where, even a week ago, this would have made me angry, now I can only laugh. It’s too late for cheapshops, asshole! It’s all over & what Shep & the rest of the useful idiot doesn’t matter (at least for the rest of the night).

    Thisis probably the last time I’ll watch Fox News, but it sure is fun at the moment.

    Oops, now Fox call PA (& NC) for Obama! Oh my…

  23. 23.

    liberatemeiexinfernis

    in the words of ultra right wing Satan buttcheek Grover Norquist….I will use his quote to say .."America’s goal is to cut GOP in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub"

  25. 25.

    comrade dsc

    chuck todd on NBC is just great tonight–really insightful

    a "double stomach punch to Elizabeth Dole" is "simply stunning"

    Dems up by three! Suck on that Joementum!

  28. 28.

    greynoldsct00

    any word on martin vs. chabliss?

    Yeah, predictable word… Saxby ahead unfortunately, last I heard

  29. 29.

    dr. bloor

    Via MSNBC, in NC 24% of white voters say race was a factor. Of that group, 30% voted Obama.
    Judging from how my NC relatives act, I find that damn encouraging for the country.

    Props to that 30%, however they may vote in the future. Sometimes it’s circumstances that drag you to thinking about things and acting in a different way, but a lot of folks never even get that far.

  31. 31.

    ChrisA

    in the words of ultra right wing Satan buttcheek Grover Norquist….I will use his quote to say .."America’s goal is to cut GOP in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub"

    cite>

    The goal is to burn the GOP to the ground and salt the ground so that nothing like it ever grows there.

    Don’t get me wrong. . we need a conservative party for some balance, but it’s not the current GOP.

  32. 32.

    The Moar You Know

    Dems up by three! Suck on that Joementum!

    Exactly.

    Apologies for my language:

    Fuck Joe Lieberman, and his endorsement of John McCain, and his bullshit power-play antics. That’s over as of tonight. And nothing, but nothing, would make me happier than to see him tarred, feathered, and then flogged out of the Senate chambers.

    Goodbye Joe, you turncoat, war-supporting, McCain fellating piece of shit (with apologies to pieces of shit, who unlike Lieberman, play a useful part in the cycle of life).

    Moar + 2

  33. 33.

    Perry Como

    Drunk buddy at the bar just coined a new word: "Camplaign."

    McCain didn’t run a campaign, he ran a camplaign. He camplaigned about the liberal media. He camplaigned about socialism.

  34. 34.

    Ack, Sysadmin of Evil

    The operative bit of good news on Fox at this moment is that they only need one! more! senate seat! to keep the filibuster.

  38. 38.

    Foxhunter

    @The Moar You Know:

    Goodbye Joe, you turncoat, war-supporting, McCain fellating piece of shit

    Hey TMYK, did you see him on the plane with McCain…you know, the last interview? I believe TPM has it up now. Anyhoo, he was sportin’ this shit eating grin next to Cindy. Fucking Schadenfreude, baby. It’a a beaut.

    Axelrod is the new Golden Child of politics.

  39. 39.

    kommrade jakevich

    Soooo, you’re saying only white guys are voting for McPOW.

    Barack Obama was winning handily among women, blacks and Hispanics, while whites supported John McCain, according to preliminary exit polls. Obama also was the overwhelming choice of the one in 10 voters who went to the polls for their first time Tuesday — a racially diverse group of mostly twentysomethings, half of whom call themselves Democrats.

    ‘Cos, the groups blacks and Hispanics must include men. [Checks] Yeah.

    OK, with this in mind I’m going to make my first prediction for one of the top ten fReichtard talking points if Obama wins: "They’re breeding like bunnies and if we don’t do something, America will be overwhelmed by undesirables!11"

    There will be increased calls to make abortion illegal unless the mother has a strong chance of giving birth to a Democrat.

  41. 41.

    JL

    @Cassidy: Saxby is up by a large margin with 27% of the vote but fulton and dekalb counties haven’t reported yet.. If he gets less than 50% there will be a run off.

  42. 42.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Don’t count on Virginia. Colorado and Nevada are going to have to get us over the top.

  43. 43.

    Patrick Lightbody

    Regarding the CNN hologram – it might actually be "real" and not a visual effect. Of course, Buckley still has a lot of reasons to be pleased, but the question raised re: the hologram could be legitimate.

    Check out what Cisco is up to here

  44. 44.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    … and Liddy Dole can spend the next few months helping Bob use up the complimentary viagra left over from 1996.

    FTW and loss. Jesus! I am puking and laughing at the same time.

    TGP +9. That Smuttynose Big Beer was an ass kicker. And that is a very good thing.

  46. 46.

    Will Hunting

    JSF – you are in VA right? I was there visiting family over the weekend (C’ville, Richmond and Newport News) and the ad blitz was vicious! Not like Texas where nobody is spending much…

  49. 49.

    The Moar You Know

    OK, with this in mind I’m going to make my first prediction for one of the top ten fReichtard talking points if Obama wins: "They’re breeding like bunnies and if we don’t do something, America will be overwhelmed by undesirables!11"

    You’re a bit late, this has been a staple of American politics since the late 1800s, and has been a staple of anti-Mexican politics here in SoCal since the 1940s.

    Hey TMYK, did you see him on the plane with McCain…you know, the last interview?

    Thankfully, no. I have blood pressure issues as it is.

  51. 51.

    Ash Can

    @Traig: That Dogfish Head has got to be one of the best beers brewed in the history of mankind.

    I’m making do with Goose Island right now myself, but that’s fine. A good Chicago beer for a good Chicago candidate.

    Damnation, I’m loving that (projected) electoral vote count.

  55. 55.

    JL

    I can’t believe I’m sitting here watching BBC.. the maps that they are using might not be as flashy but they do have a calming effect.

  57. 57.

    Foxhunter

    @The Moar You Know:

    Well he was sporting a really nice red sweater, reminiscent of Tiger Woods’ Sunday winner’s wear. As if his presence would somehow help him ‘seal the deal’.

    I like your take on the man.

  58. 58.

    Mr. Poppinfresh

    Lieberman had better PRAY dems pick up that 59th seat, or they will have no use for his slimy ass in their caucus and will give him the boot.

  60. 60.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    JSF – you are in VA right? I was there visiting family over the weekend (C’ville, Richmond and Newport News) and the ad blitz was vicious! Not like Texas where nobody is spending much

    Yes, the McCain ad blitz was just devastating in the last four days. I mean, practically McCain attack ads running back to back to back and hardly anything from the Obama campaign. They decided to spend money in Georgia, Arizona and North Dakota.

  61. 61.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    CNN calling Minnesota for Obama :)

    WHOOHOOO!

    Added: I’m not sure why I was under the impression that was a red state previously… Hmmmm! Nevermind.

  64. 64.

    IndyLib

    Ewww! MSNBC just announced a re-up for David Gregory with a new name "1600 Pennsylvania Ave".

  65. 65.

    Doug H. (Fausto no more)

    AZ too close to call. Owch.

    CO is too early to call. Someone warm up the fat lady.

  66. 66.

    Snark Based Reality

    What the fuck, half the fucking country is too early or close to call. Start calling, start calling!

  69. 69.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    MSNBC gives 175 to Obama. With 77 on the west coast all but assured Obama is at 252. McCain teeters on the brink.

  70. 70.

    Comrade Stuck

    Our blog hosts I thinks are drunked. Live blogging north and south at once. I’m good at puzzles though.

  71. 71.

    Alan

    Tom Delay?… As Rush would say, we need to keep these relics around to remind us how wrong and stupid the GOP was when they were expelled from power.

  74. 74.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    John, I sat here for three minutes to update a comment and waited and waited and watched the clock run down and my addition never made it in.

    The site is slow. In 2012, can we please have the bugs of this system worked out?

    CNN reports: John Sununu is going home!

  77. 77.

    JL

    Time is saying that FOX pulled back the Ohio call. The Secretary of State of Ohio said there would be no call until everyone voted.

  78. 78.

    Comrade Jake

    What was the name of that wingnut GOP dude who was knocked out in 06? Not George Allen, but the dude who looked like a thinner version. Anyone know who I’m talking about?

    He’s totally disappeared over the past couple of years. He was one of these dudes who was really into the pro-life, Terry Schiavo social issues. Fuck I just can’t remember the guy’s name.

  80. 80.

    EnderWiggin

    So awesome. I went to check RedState.com at 9:08 PM. All I get

    500 – Internal Server Error

    How very appropriate

  83. 83.

    Comrade Stuck

    @J. Michael Neal:

    NM is going blue this time. And lo and behold Fox just called NM for Obama. Whoopity whoop whoop woo!!! We will aslo supply one senate pickup and 1 or 2 house seats.

  84. 84.

    JL

    BBC just said that FOX is just calling all the states early for Obama just to get it out of the way. They had a good chuckle about FOX news.

  85. 85.

    Foxhunter

    @J. Michael Neal:

    Yeah, as a faithful SEC member, we’re pretty much fucked at this point. On the football field, however, "Not so fast" as crazy Lee Corso would say.

    Nice post on your blog about the TED, BTW.

  87. 87.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    OMG BBC is saying that Fox called Ohio for OBAMA time for more wine

    Seriously?! Because that is automatically a win for Obama..

  89. 89.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    Ooooh, someone’s giving PUMA hell over there and so far hasn’t gotten banned. LMAO, too funny!

  90. 90.

    Ash Can

    it really is irritating me right now when they spend time covering the House and Senate races

    The fact is, though, with Obama in line for an electoral-vote blowout, the House and Senate totals become crucial to the entire federal policy picture looking out over the next 2 years (at least). If the Democrats win a filibuster-proof majority in Congress, it’s full speed ahead.

  93. 93.

    Genine

    Don’t count on Virginia. Colorado and Nevada are going to have to get us over the top.

    I live in CO and I think we might pull it out. Which would be amazing. CO’s been red for a long time, but its been turning purple the last few years. Also Obama’s registered over a million new voters in this state, which is helpful.

    I think it could definitely go Obama’s way.

  98. 98.

    J. Michael Neal

    Yeah, as a faithful SEC member, we’re pretty much fucked at this point. On the football field, however, "Not so fast" as crazy Lee Corso would say.

    Football? Maybe. You don’t have anyone as fast as Jordan Schroeder, though.

  100. 100.

    Doug H. (Fausto no more)

    Charlie Crist just bailed on the Florida McCain party on an ‘important legal matter’. Mmhmm.

  101. 101.

    Comrade Stuck

    Took a little surf over to Malkin’s crypt to see how the funhousers were doing. Of course, they’re all clutching their guns tight and ordering extra ammo before Obama levies his reparations tax.

  103. 103.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    Obama’s lead in FLA just keeps growing. Up to 200,000 now. Some Republican on MSNBC saying south FL is going even worse than they anticipated.

  104. 104.

    Comrade Jake

    @Incertus:

    Thank you!

    Palin/Santorum 2012! Bitches!

    Seriously though, what happened to Santorum? I sort of miss the little fucker.

  105. 105.

    Foxhunter

    @J. Michael Neal:

    You don’t have anyone as fast as Jordan Schroeder, though.

    Point taken. I’m a UGA ticket holder, so I should probably get back into the corner where I belong.

  107. 107.

    Alan

    @Foxhunter:

    Sure they would. Look at Dole. She took the Ann Coulter route and called her opponent "Godless."

    I’m so glad they’re losing. :)

  108. 108.

    Conservatively Liberal

    Just watching the reports and nursing a nasty cold, so no drinking at this end (unless you count tea). Dole is out and that is great. The godless Sunday school teacher FTW!

    It looks like Chicago is setting up to be one partying place if Obama pulls this off.

    Go MUP!!

  109. 109.

    Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse

    All the Republican spokescritters are saying that only McCain could have done so well this year.

    Here’s a visual of how Obama vs. McCain would have looked like in 2006. dday explains how McCain totally trashed his own brand.

  111. 111.

    AkaDad

    Don’t count on Virginia. Colorado and Nevada are going to have to get us over the top.

    Virginia is starting to tighten. It ain’t over yet.

  114. 114.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    I live in CO and I think we might pull it out. Which would be amazing. CO’s been red for a long time, but its been turning purple the last few years. Also Obama’s registered over a million new voters in this state, which is helpful.

    I think it could definitely go Obama’s way.

    That’s good news. Don’t count on Virginia. Capital of the Confederacy, bitches. Give us a hundred more years to seethe with resentment.

  119. 119.

    RareSanity

    C’mon, Indiana. Let’s see if Obama can carry the whole Big 10. Take that you SEC #&*^.

    heh…Big 10 football is like the Republicans…SEC is the Democrats.

    As a GA resident, SEC politics are embarrassing….kinda like Big 10 football…HA!

  122. 122.

    Laura W

    @JL: Man, I was just about to ask why Fox is calling stuff before MSNBC and CNN.
    But why is Fox calling stuff early for Obama?
    Why am I so confused?
    +4???

  124. 124.

    Mentis Fugit

    The goal is to burn the GOP to the ground and salt the ground so that nothing like it ever grows there.

    Why stop there? Why not take a leaf out of Arthur Dent’s book?

    "I’ll have you hung, drawn and quartered! And whipped! And boiled… until you’ve had enough. And then I’ll do it again! And when I’ve finished I will take all the little bits, and I will jump on them! And I will carry on jumping on them, until I get blisters, or I can think of anything even more unpleasant to do."

  128. 128.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    If the Popular Vote total is close, the EV total doesn’t look close at all. Relax.

  129. 129.

    Krista

    The hysterical thing over at Malkin is that most of the commenters are complaining that the reason the Repubs are loosing is because they’re RINOs — i.e., not conservative enough!

    That’s right, Repubs. Keep kowtowing to the Malkinite/Palinite base. That’ll definitely endear you to the rest of the country.

  130. 130.

    Jon H

    Massachusetts’ marijuana decriminalization ballot question is currently at 65% YES with 22% of the vote tallied.

    I don’t partake, but NICE.

  133. 133.

    gbear

    I just joined the fun here. Decided to watch Dr Strangelove rather that watch the early returns. How can MN be called for Obama while the senate race shows no results at all?? I wanna see Coleman go down, please.

  134. 134.

    Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse

    Wow. Ohio. But aren’t the Republicans challenging votes there? This may not be over.

  137. 137.

    Genine

    That’s good news. Don’t count on Virginia. Capital of the Confederacy, bitches. Give us a hundred more years to seethe with resentment.

    I wouldn’t count out VA yet. They haven’t counted the North Virginia counties yet… you know… "Fake Virginia".

    Come on, "Fake" Virginia! Show them what’s real!

  140. 140.

    Martin

    Well, anyone on my drinking game is only +1 so far. I suspect that all the too close states will hit and once and push it to +8 or something.

    Martin +1

  141. 141.

    Conservatively Liberal

    At Intrade, Obama is at 98.0 and McPalin is at 1.5.

    Time to get some Repubs to invest in their anchor twins? ;)

  143. 143.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    CNN just said they’re about to announce a major state (I think it’s OHIO) after a commercial break.

    WE GOT IT FOLKS, The TALIBANGELISTS ARE TOAST!

  145. 145.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Wow. Ohio. But aren’t the Republicans challenging votes there? This may not be over.

    It doesn’t look close enough to steal.

  146. 146.

    gbear

    Ohio is going to be a total fucking mess. Obama needs to get enough e-votes so that Ohio doesn’t matter.

  147. 147.

    Bootlegger

    Now the specific issues. Gay rights, abortion and of course marijuana decrim.
    3 ballot initiatives on same-sex marriage. 2 on abortion rights, and one on drug war sanity.

  148. 148.

    Delia

    It’s not over yet. Obama still needs to rack up a bunch more or the goopers will indeed start mounting the legal challenges in Ohio. If the the electoral count is too massive, it won’t matter.

  149. 149.

    Bad Horse's Filly

    Hey…everyone is over here now! I said in the other thread:

    ABC just called Ohio for Obama as well. When they did, I burst into tears. I knew I was tense…I didn’t realize I was fucking insane! Come on Colorado!

  154. 154.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    When they did, I burst into tears. I knew I was tense

    Yeah, it was pretty emotional for me too. But Fuckhead doesn’t cry.

  155. 155.

    Brian J

    So I finally get home after a long but, well, interesting day. I’ll tell you guys about it some time.

    Let me say, before the new thread, that I am feeling good. I my projections aren’t perfect, as I said Obama would win Georgia, but we still have Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, and Montana to pick from. Hell, perhaps it was supposed to be South Dakota.

    But whatever the case, we won Ohio. That means Obama is the next president. I still want a big win, but hell, we’ve got it. We have motherfucking got it!

  156. 156.

    Comrade Jake

    NBC sez had Kerry won the same states Obama’s now locked up, he would be the POTUS right now.

    I think we got this folks. All that’s left is by how much.

    Kos sez that people at McCain’s victory party in AZ have been closed off from the media. So they’re clueless, like their candidate.

  157. 157.

    Comrade Stuck

    I am so very proud of my Country tonight. America the Beautiful, once again. And kudos to our terrific neighbors of the North. Oh, Canada!

  159. 159.

    Krista

    We have motherfucking got it!

    I cannot believe how excited I am. I don’t even live in your country, and I’m half-drunk and jumping up and down with glee.

    This is so incredibly exciting, and I’m so happy to be sharing this moment with you guys. The world is with you, and we’re all celebrating, bitches!

  161. 161.

    Delia

    He’s got NM. If he can just manage to carry the West Coast and Hawaii he’s got the cake with frosting. That doesn’t even count anything else that hasn’t been called yet.

  163. 163.

    Ash Can

    (Apologies to all if this shows up multiple times.)

    @Alan: Nope, not me. This is the first and only political board I’ve posted on. The combination of alcohol, sarcasm and profanity here makes me feel right at home.

    MSNBC and CBS calling OH for Obama? Say goodnight, Gracie.

  166. 166.

    Bad Horse's Filly

    @JL: If I didn’t have a big day tomorrow, I might indulge. But for me, 2nd pot of coffee (decaf no less) and NO leftover halloween candy. I obviously didn’t plan this event very well. If I could mainline chocolate, I’d be better.

  167. 167.

    Scott H

    John King on CNN does the magic wall math. If McCain wins every remaining unprojected state except the three West Coast states & Hawai’i he is 4 short of 270.

  169. 169.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    I sat here and predicted an Obama win ….. six months ago. But I gotta say, I am stunned right now.

    This is the most fantastic thing that has ever happened in this country in my lifetime.

    I am in total shock. I have never been so proud of being an American as I am right now.

  172. 172.

    Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse

    Huh? MSNBC says McCain is meeting with Palin right now. I thought he was in AZ and she was in AK.

  173. 173.

    Krista

    So TZ, what was your bet with DougJ again? Looks like you might actually collect on that bet, my friend!

  174. 174.

    Foxhunter

    @AhabTRuler:

    Peggy Noonan are talking bi-partisanship

    Fuck Noonan and her vomiting clamor for bi-partisanship. She was, perhaps, the biggest Bush co*cksucker in print for 6 years. NOW she wants bi-partisanship? She can get on the train to no access with Broder.

    Suck.on.this.

  176. 176.

    The Dangerman

    I wonder if there will be a challenge to early voting in Ohio (and Florida if the Losers lose it). I just don’t see them conceding honorably until the last lawsuit is tossed out.

    + … um … + …. er … + … ah, hell with it, +(no clue)

  179. 179.

    rawshark

    Huh? MSNBC says McCain is meeting with Palin right now. I thought he was in AZ and she was in AK.

    They’re all at the Biltmore now according to local radio.

  180. 180.

    Genine

    I cannot believe how excited I am. I don’t even live in your country, and I’m half-drunk and jumping up and down with glee.

    This is so incredibly exciting, and I’m so happy to be sharing this moment with you guys. The world is with you, and we’re all celebrating, bitches!

    I send loving positive energy to Krista, Obama, Canada and the whole world!

    Woot!

  181. 181.

    Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse

    2 minutes to Jon Stewart. Let’s blow this popsicle stand.

  182. 182.

    dr. bloor

    9:50 pm (Tim) – The Baracktoberfest stout is delicious. Also, at 1.083 OG it is strong as hell. And I wish that the pundits put some skin in the game by playing strip prognostication.

    I really don’t want to see any of the meatsacks that have been insisting on a McCain win in their birthday suits, thank you.

  183. 183.

    Martin

    Katie Couric & Peggy Noonan are talking bi-partisanship.

    Let me know when Jessica Alba and Miranda Kerr are talking ‘bipartisanship’ and I’ll be sure to switch over.

    Anyone playing along with me. According to AP we should be at +2 (NH, OH).

    -Martin +2, waiting for AP to call NM.

  185. 185.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    So TZ, what was your bet with DougJ again? Looks like you might actually collect on that bet, my friend!

    I think the technical bet was that McCain would get less than 35% of the popular vote. Just about an impossible target, but I wanted to see how far I would have to go before he took the bet. I’ll pay …. but I have never been happier to lose a bet! Yee-haw!

    McCain is meeting with Palin right now. I thought he was in AZ and she was in AK.

    She arrived here in Phoenix a short time ago. For what purpose, I have no idea. Maybe to keep Johnny from jumping off the balcony of his highrise condo?

  186. 186.

    Mr. Poppinfresh

    As Ahab said, according to ABC’s hard numbers Obama is now up by 11k in Virginia, and it keeps creeping upwards. It looks like its’s essentially playing out like the Webb victory- late break for the D via NoVa returns.

    Do you see that lump in my pants? It’s a happy lump.

  187. 187.

    JL

    Where did the troll go? Maybe his shift was up and I figure that today is his last pay day. Maybe he/she will just stop by once and awhile to say hi. I like our odds tonight. It just doesn’t seem likely that McCain will carry California.

  188. 188.

    Louise

    We are +6 or so and just cracked open the champagne. This is O-VER. I cannot believe this. I’ve been waiting EIGHT FUCKING YEARS for this day.

    Thank you HOward Dean.
    Thank you David Axelrod
    Thank you David Plouffe.

    O-BA-MA!
    O-BA-MA!

    This is unbelievable. I’m going to be crying the rest of the night.

    Johnny Mac? Go try and find your soul.

    Sarah? Buh-bye. Go vay.

    WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    +7

  189. 189.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    I wonder if there will be a challenge to early voting in Ohio (and Florida if the Losers lose it). I just don’t see them conceding honorably until the last lawsuit is tossed out.

    I expect Obama to flip at least three more red states and and make the math too difficult for Republicans.

  190. 190.

    liberatemeiexinfernis

    Joe the fake plumber can go join his Nazi skinhead rallies openly now..he and his thickhead rightfully belong there

  192. 192.

    Phil

    Since it appears Obama has won Ohio, I will be the gracious loser and congratulate all of you on the victory. Of course, I’ll add an important caveat that you can take or leave at your peril: Politics is not a football game. You don’t win the election, pour some Gatorade over the coach’s head and then ride off into the sunset. You’ve won the election but you’re just getting started.

    In a perfect storm for Democrats, it looks like you will not achieve "landslide" and you will achieve a marginal 1-2 win in the popular vote. This is despite the most unpopular President since Carter or Nixon as the incumbent, a significant recession that started a month before the election and a media that has literally cheer-led your candidate. I know on the last point you will take issue with but I suggest not taking my word for it and just look at literally ANY independent poll of the media’s bias.

    So congratulations, but watch out. George Bush is going back to Crawford. There’s no more albatross hanging around Republican necks. Your Congress has an approval rating in the singles to mid teens. Before, you could still blame Bush and excuse this away. Now you can’t. You OWN all your failures now.

    You might hate Joe the Plumber for some ideological reason, but he speaks for millions of people and he speaks for most small businesses throughout America – the small businesses that create most of the new jobs in this country. You’ve also nominated a candidate who has promised to raise taxes and raise protectionist barriers during a recession. That would make him the first President since Hoover to do – I’ll let you consult a history book to see how that worked out.

    Call it sour grapes if you’d like, but I’ll congratulate you all again. Just remember, you’re in charge now. No more whining, no more finger pointing. You fuck up, it’s ALL on you now. Good luck, for America’s sake.

  195. 195.

    Jon H

    "Kos sez that people at McCain’s victory party in AZ have been closed off from the media. "

    They’re putting on their matching Nikes and breaking out the Motts.

  196. 196.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    She arrived here in Phoenix a short time ago. For what purpose, I have no idea.

    McRage prolly wanted to give her the c*nt rant in person.

  197. 197.

    The Dangerman

    If I proposed marriage to Miranda Kerr here on The Juice, would that be a first?

    +(lost track after Ohio)

  200. 200.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    Hold on to your hats folks. Al Franken is currently beating Norm Coleman 45%-39% (other 16%) with 6% of precincts reporting.

  201. 201.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Phil, if you’re in the Virginia area, maybe we can get together. I’d love to taste your sweet sweet tears of fear and rage.

  202. 202.

    Foxhunter

    @Phil:

    In essence, Phil just instructed us to NOT do everything Republicans have done for the last 8 years with a sprinkling of ‘Joe the Plumber’ thrown in for good measure. Don’t worry Phil, most of us fucking lived it, too. Now get off my lawn.

  203. 203.

    Chris Johnson

    I was part of the crowd that gave Obama Vermont right away. We are hoping he’ll visit us, and then there will be a black person here :D

    I’m not drunk- or weeping- I’m noodling on a synthesizer and halfheartedly doing some work. Might abandon that latter project and go to bed.

    Let’s bear in mind that maybe not half, but a huge fuckin’ chunk of our country voted McCain/Palin even after all the trainwreck of their campaign, even after the banks collapsed, even after all of that. And they are entitled to freedom of opinion in our country. But we’ve seen in the last eight years what happens when we PRACTICE their opinion.

    Let’s be mature enough to practice a tough love that justifies both words, while still getting our country whipped back into respectable shape.

    Let’s grow the fuck up.

    But- not tonight ;)

  204. 204.

    AhabTRuler

    Now Katie (back in the day my friend used to call her ‘Captain Kirk’) is talking about the "dangers of one-party rule."

    I’m mean she’s right, but the timing is convenient for her.

  206. 206.

    Bad Horse's Filly

    @Steve The Other Plumber: Oh, you’re killing me! Let us know how it is.

    And Fuckhead: real fuckheads don’t cry…instead they hide their emotions by grabbing Mrs. Fuckhead and kissing her passionately and thank her for putting up with him. win-win

  207. 207.

    Phil

    "I’m going to fill a hot tub and soak in Republican tears."

    Sorry bro, Republicans are not nuts like Democrats are. I won’t be seeking out a therapist for Obama election syndrome as many Dems did after Bush’s re-election. Poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll shows Republicans are happier and have better and more sex than Democrats, regardless of who the President is (even during the dreadful Carter years). So enjoy your bath. It’s going to be rather dry.

    We’re going to be holding your asses accountable.

  208. 208.

    Blue Raven

    I’m on the train home from work. This is so sweet to read. Man, it’s so good to be right this year. I’m tearing up.

  209. 209.

    jibeaux

    Huh. Atanarujarat (or whatever), who thought McCain’s 8-3 lead via Kentucky was an excellent harbinger for McCain, is not here. Did someone explain that "first state takes all" is not how the EC works or something?

  210. 210.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Well, Tim Mahoney-FL is going down to defeat…

    If I’d have known he was going to lose, I’d have never had sex with him. I feel cheap now.

  211. 211.

    CarolinCA

    Phil –

    Thank you for the congratulations.

    If you think, however, that most of us are anything less than acutely aware of the challenges that lie ahead, you have grieviously misunderstood and underestimated us.

    Progressives have been facing an uphilll battle on multiple levels for years now, and have learned one hell of a lot about the reality that success in politics necessitates reaching out to allies on an issue by issue basis. Obama is supremely pragmatic that way, in case you hadn’t noticed.

    Surely you don’t think that we believe we’ll suddenly be dancing in a perfect world under rainbow-hued clouds together as of tomorrow?

    And surely you are not so delusional to think that whatever goes wrong after tonight is actually all on us. This happens to be your country, too, unless you are planning on turning your back on her for the next four years. Somehow I doubt that is the case.

    We have a lot of work ahead. All of us.

  212. 212.

    Josh Hueco

    George Bush is going back to Crawford.

    Actually he’s shopping for a home in the tony parts of Dallas. The fake cowboy’s not going to settle at his fake ranch.

  214. 214.

    dr. bloor

    Call it sour grapes if you’d like, but I’ll congratulate you all again. Just remember, you’re in charge now. No more whining, no more finger pointing. You fuck up, it’s ALL on you now. Good luck, for America’s sake.

    Luck won’t have anything to do with it. Just keep the bitter deadenders on your side of the aisle the hell out of the way and watch competent governance in action. Obama will be happy to have your lot benefit from it, even as you piss and moan about it every step of the way.

  217. 217.

    Foxhunter

    @AhabTRuler:

    dangers of one-party rule

    Fucking obtuse. No other way to describe the hacks. I never once heard Brooks, Noonan, Couric, et al., fret over one party rule going back to 2000. Their sugar daddies are going out of office, and they still act so hacktackular, working in the mode that they are competing for access into Rebpublican circles.

  218. 218.

    Jon H

    Phil wrote: "We’re going to be holding your asses accountable."

    The GOP don’t know what accountability is anymore.

  219. 219.

    p.a.

    You might hate Joe the Plumber for some ideological reason, but he speaks for millions of people and he speaks for most small businesses throughout America – the small businesses that create most of the new jobs in this country.

    Actually, most of the job growth over the last half-century is due to large corps. (not that I love ’em, but facts are facts, at least on planet non-GOPer). Small businesses create many jobs, but also destroy many, as the failure rate for them is so high. Just another Republican pseudo-fact their followers are too lazy to check out.

    Note on tonight’s results: yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
    yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!

    Oh, and NO! on 8!

  220. 220.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    Al Franken is currently beating Norm Coleman 45%-39% (other 16%) with 6% of precincts reporting

    I love Franken as a comedy writer, and I might learn to like him as a senator, although his big ego is going to need to take some lumps in that old boys club. But damn it is good to see Republican senators sent packing.

  221. 221.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    Since it appears Obama has won Ohio, I will be the gracious loser and congratulate all of you on the victory. Of course, I’ll add an important caveat that you can take or leave at your peril: Politics is not a football game. You don’t win the election, pour some Gatorade over the coach’s head and then ride off into the sunset. You’ve won the election but you’re just getting started.

    You mean like you guys did for six of the last eight years? How kind of you to remind us.

    Fuck off!

  222. 222.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    If you knew anything about accountability Phil, you wouldn’t be gettin yer ass handed to you right now. Get a fucking clue.

  223. 223.

    Martin

    Iowa put us to +3.

    You might hate Joe the Plumber for some ideological reason, but he speaks for millions of people and he speaks for most small businesses throughout America – the small businesses that create most of the new jobs in this country.

    He doesn’t own a small business nor does he have the money to buy or start a small business. He’s unemployed and rebuilding as a community organizer. No, I’m not kidding.

    Joe the Plumber is short on cash and unemployed but that’s not stopping him from opening a new charitable foundation and penning a book on American values.

    …

    He said he hasn’t figured out how he’s going to finance the charity, but knows how he wants the money to be spent.

    "You know there’s a lady on my street that is going to lose her house because of disability. You know … that’s something this charity that I am starting would help, help people directly," he said.

    So, he’s going to collect money from other people and distribute it how he wishes, supporting himself along the way. And this doesn’t meet his own completely wrong definition of ‘socialism’ how?

    We hated Joe the Plumber because he was and continues to be an absolute fraud. If the GOP wants to win the respect of the other half of us, they need to demonstrate that they respect honesty and the rule of law. That’s all. That’s why we hate Palin and Joe – Joe is a fraud and Palin is a liar and doesn’t understand or respect the law. And McCain is a fraud for foisting these two idiots as representative of small business owners and responsible federal governance.

  224. 224.

    Comrade Stuck

    You’ve won the election but you’re just getting started.

    El Correcto Phil. You guys have fucked things up so badly, it will take his whole two terms to unfuck them. To follow on your theme, please advise Bitch Mcconnell to stop his world record filibustering. We will accept the responsibility for what happens, but wingnuts need to get with the program and take down all the roadblocks. Of course, if we get to 60 tonight, that won’t be necessary.

  225. 225.

    Comrade Jake

    Phil, with all due respect, if you think Joe The Plumber was important this cycle when there’s absolutely no evidence for it so far, you’re fucking clueless.

  227. 227.

    Tattoosydney

    Call it sour grapes if you’d like, but I’ll congratulate you all again. Just remember, you’re in charge now. No more whining, no more finger pointing. You fuck up, it’s ALL on you now. Good luck, for America’s sake.

    Phil, you have a point. The Democrats do need to get to work, and not behave like Republicans have for the last eight years.

    However, my considered response to you is:

    Woo fucking hoo! We are going to win! Fuck you, loser!! Kiss my shiny red butt! Now fuck off to the sump hole you crawled out of with your "Joe the Plumber" bipartisanship crap. Fuck. Right. Off.

  228. 228.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    Yeah, Phil. It’s the old baseball joke: You guys have fucked up left field so bad, nobody can play it.

    Well, not quite. Your team gave it a good try, and almost ended the American Experiment. But we came along to save your butts. You can thank us later … after we kick you in the junk for a year or two.

  232. 232.

    Phil

    "And surely you are not so delusional to think that whatever goes wrong after tonight is actually all on us. This happens to be your country, too, unless you are planning on turning your back on her for the next four years. Somehow I doubt that is the case."

    No, I’ll be here. You are right that the country as a whole loses because of stupid policies (witness how the state of Michigan, Republicans and Democrats both, has been devastated by Democratic super-majorities that parrot labor union talking points as foreign auto manufacturers set up shop in right to work states in the South). But the party in power pays the political price. Any fuck ups are politically all on you now. No finger pointing, whining or excuses.

    And this isn’t directed to you but to some of the others here: Jeez, some of you are outrageous. Are you always this angry? I’ve never seen such an angry bunch of winners. Try some Valium or something.

  233. 233.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    You might hate Joe the Plumber for some ideological reason, but he speaks for millions of people and he speaks for most small businesses throughout America – the small businesses that create most of the new jobs in this country.

    Please. Are you talking about broke ass, couldn’t make 250K ass if he sold it, Sam Wurzfucknuts?

    Beam me up, Scotty! There is NO intelligent life on this planet!

  235. 235.

    Ned R.

    @Phil: Republicans are happier and have better and more sex than Democrats

    Oddly enough, I’m not registered for any party — and I’m *more* than content with life in general. I take this as the greater truth.

  236. 236.

    Krista

    Anyway, kiddos! I’m off to bed, despite being slightly the worse for wear due to an overdose of euphoria and Pinot Noir.

    Love you guys! Tomorrow really IS a new day!

  237. 237.

    Tsulagi

    Would expect McCain to give a reasonably gracious concession speech when the time comes. Curious to see if Palin will do the same, or if she’ll continue all wingnut with an eye and a wink toward 2012.

    It’s going to be a long flight back to Alaska tomorrow, Winky. Don’t let the door from the lower 48 hit you on your ass on the way back. You betcha.

  238. 238.

    Comrade Jake

    Bob Barr really might end up handing a few of these states to Obama when it’s all said and done. The margins are looking like they’re going to be in the statistical noise area.

  239. 239.

    p.a.

    The RightWing fucktards are correct. With the condition they have left the country in, the primaries and general election races will seem like a holiday compared to the work required over the next 4 years, even without their expected antiAmerican sabotage. Don’t forget, they’re not competent to achieve anything positive, but they are expert sappers and smearmongers. Party first for those turds.

  240. 240.

    gbear

    I love Franken as a comedy writer, and I might learn to like him as a senator, although his big ego is going to need to take some lumps in that old boys club. But damn it is good to see Republican senators sent packing.

    It may take a few years for Franken to settle in, but I think he’s going to be a great senator. He understands very well what Paul Wellstone was all about and I think they actually share temperment. Wellstone had an ego too.

    And to Phil:HAHAHAAHHAHHHAAAhahahahahhhaaaa…oof

  241. 241.

    Josh Hueco

    as foreign auto manufacturers set up shop in right to work states in the South

    And we should seek to emulate the anti-union, right-to-work, low-wage Confederacy how?

  242. 242.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    dangers of one-party rule

    Ronald Reagan had one party rule, and half of the country considered him GOD. Just think, if we had ONE PARTY that actually understood how to fix problems and set to work to do that. Hmmm, doesn’t sound so bad when it’s put that way.

  243. 243.

    Phil

    PS Looks like the Republicans could very well pick up Landrieu’s Senate seat in Louisiana. You could very end up closer to 55 than to 60. We shall see.

  244. 244.

    Scott H

    If this election means that Republicans are going to start holding someone, anyone, accountable, I would say that is a definite double-plus unbad bonus.

  245. 245.

    cain

    So congratulations, but watch out. George Bush is going back to Crawford. There’s no more albatross hanging around Republican necks. Your Congress has an approval rating in the singles to mid teens. Before, you could still blame Bush and excuse this away. Now you can’t. You OWN all your failures now.

    Actually, Bush is going back to Dallas. See he can stop playing cowboy now and close up his ranch now that he’s finished the presidency.

    But thanks for the congratulations. We’ll be on guard in 4 years.

    cain

  246. 246.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    But the party in power pays the political price. Any fuck ups are politically all on you now. No finger pointing, whining or excuses.

    Thanks for taking a beautiful mansion in a great neighborhood and turning it into a torn up whore house and then making US responsible for making sure it’s cleaned up because you couldn’t maintain it.

    Fuck off asswipe!

  248. 248.

    J. Michael Neal

    It may take a few years for Franken to settle in, but I think he’s going to be a great senator.

    He was a bad comedian, and a bad radio host. He’s been a horrifically bad candidate, and he’s going to be a crappy Senator.

    However, he is not Norm Coleman, so I voted for him.

  250. 250.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    Hey Phil, I made my official projections last night and I said 57 seats, not 60. We are not really expecting 60, although it would have been nice. If you think you’re giving us a deep jab by rubbing the lack of 60 in our faces, you’re wrong. We didn’t expect it.

  251. 251.

    Phil

    as foreign auto manufacturers set up shop in right to work states in the South

    And we should seek to emulate the anti-union, right-to-work, low-wage Confederacy how?

    Since you apparently didn’t read my post, I’ll make it nice and simple for you. I’m a foreign auto manufacturer, say Toyota or Honda. I can:

    A) Set up an auto plant in Tennessee or Kentucky (or insert red state here) where I can deal with a business friendly climate, right to work laws where if I make my workers happy they’re not required to join a union, and I have a steady stream of hard working…Joes who want to build the cars of tomorrow (like the Prius being built in Indiana now)

    or

    B) Set up an auto plant in Michigan, where all auto plants are expect to be UAW plants, with the associated job banks, pension funds and ridiculous work rules that come along with that – not to mention the fact that all the Democratic politicians are bought and paid for by the unions.

    Now putting aside your political blinkers, where would YOU set up a car plant?

    If you said NOT Michigan, congratulations. Please claim your prize at the door. Now Michigan is in worse shape than any other state in the nation. And Democrats control Michigan all over the state yet voters there continue to re-elect them (at least the ones that haven’t move out yet). The only ones left are those who still think manufacturers take Michigan seriously when making decisions like auto plants and are waiting around for a job. Please don’t make America like Michigan and pass "card check" legislation.

    Thanks much.

  254. 254.

    Martin

    Second prediction for top ten fReichtard talking points if Obama wins: OMG, the homeless shouldn’t be allowed to vote!

    Man, I spent 45 minutes on the phone with my mom on that topic. She bought into the assumption that a permanent address was a requirement for voting. I challenged her on why she thought that assumption was true – why homeless people are undeserving of being part of a democracy.

    I walked her back quite a ways. She didn’t realize that felons can vote in many states. She didn’t realize that voter reg forms are required to be submitted in most states, even if it’s clear they are fraudulent, and recognized that was a good thing when I explained it.

    I’d like to see a study that compares which makes you stupider – watching Fox News or huffing.

  258. 258.

    Phil

    Looks like Bachman will win but if it makes you feel better, apparently you can call your own constituents racist rednecks and still win an election – witness Murtha. Incredible.

  259. 259.

    Martin

    Hey Phil, I made my official projections last night and I said 57 seats, not 60. We are not really expecting 60, although it would have been nice. If you think you’re giving us a deep jab by rubbing the lack of 60 in our faces, you’re wrong. We didn’t expect it.

    And 60 always depended on counting Sanders and Lieberman toward the total. And it’s not clear if Lieberman can be counted on anyway. We’ll have Sanders for sure.

    And FWIW, my wonderful Honda was made in Ohio and I’m damn proud of that.

  261. 261.

    Comrade Jake

    Phil, I’ll take the guy who can identify rednecks over the chick who IS A REDNECK any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    Mmmmkay? Kay.

  262. 262.

    Comrade Stuck

    @Scott H:

    If this election means that Republicans are going to start holding someone, anyone, accountable, I would say that is a definite double-plus unbad bonus.

    The coming GOP civil war will likely keep wingnuts like Phil and the rest occupied for the near term. They are a fatally split party. And if they don’t straighten out their own house and instead focus on obstructing the peoples will, they will remain politically impotent. Phil has given us the apparent wingnut strategy for regaining power. It is the strategy of focusing on your opponent’s shortcomings, while offering no ideas save those that have failed miserably, and it is doomed to failure. Tonight, America has taken a leap in it’s evolution toward the founders challenge of forming a more perfect union. The country is fiercely focused on the future and any attempts to hold that back will be met with equally fierce defeat at the polls. Phil thinks little has changed and the old GOP recipes for victory are still viable, if only they resist liberal policies a little harder with right wing ideology. He is wrong. The only route for a successful GOP resurgence is honest engagement and an honest debate with realistic conservative alternatives for the new pair-a-dine.

  264. 264.

    J. Michael Neal

    I walked her back quite a ways. She didn’t realize that felons can vote in many states. She didn’t realize that voter reg forms are required to be submitted in most states, even if it’s clear they are fraudulent, and recognized that was a good thing when I explained it.

    One of the projects in my Business Communications class (Lord, I loathe that class) was to prepare crisis communications for some group with a PR problem. I picked ACORN. I was disappointed, but not surprised, at how few of the students knew anything beyond the headlines on this.

  268. 268.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    CNN Projects Barack Obama has won 270 EV’s and will be our next president.

    Okay, maybe I should go out and get a drink. OMG!

    Yes. We. Can!

  269. 269.

    Personal Designation

    I’d like to see a study that compares which makes you stupider – believing a politician or tipping

    Believing a politician is very stupid, but tipping does raise a plethora of questions for me. How and why did this ancient practice start? and how the hell did politicians and evil republicans sell this BS to workers and pocket the difference?

    The real question is why America is structured so that waiters and waitresses can sell feel-good services (“you are a generous tipper and a fine man”) to strangers, in return for money. In other words, how did waiters end up as fundraisers …? Most cross-cultural explanations of tipping start with the agency problem between diners and servers (“can you bring my drink now?”), but I believe that is the wrong approach. I view tipping as correlated with effective fundraising in other areas, and Americans as being especially willing to set this additional fundraising arena in motion.

  272. 272.

    Bootlegger

    @Personal Designation: Paying a little extra for good service is as Free Market as it gets. I don’t agree with figuring it in as part of the minimum wage, but I agree with the practice. Hell, I tipped the guys that moved me the last time.

  273. 273.

    Phil

    The coming GOP civil war will likely keep wingnuts like Phil and the rest occupied for the near term. They are a fatally split party. And if they don’t straighten out their own house and instead focus on obstructing the peoples will, they will remain politically impotent. Phil has given us the apparent wingnut strategy for regaining power. It is the strategy of focusing on your opponent’s shortcomings, while offering no ideas save those that have failed miserably, and it is doomed to failure. Tonight, America has taken a leap in it’s evolution toward the founders challenge of forming a more perfect union. The country is fiercely focused on the future and any attempts to hold that back will be met with equally fierce defeat at the polls. Phil thinks little has changed and the old GOP recipes for victory are still viable, if only they resist liberal policies a little harder with right wing ideology. He is wrong. The only route for a successful GOP resurgence is honest engagement and an honest debate with realistic conservative alternatives for the new pair-a-dine.

    By all means, lurch far to the left and overreach. Sorta like Clinton did in 92. How’d that work out for the Democrats?

    It was just four years ago that media "analysts" were talking about a permanent Republican majority due to the expanding "exurbs" where population growth was largest. How’d that work out for the Republican party?

    I’d love nothing more than for you to overreach. You own all your failures now and there’s no more George Bush to excuse dumb liberal policies anymore. Enjoy the victory, but a sober mind would serve you well.

  276. 276.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII

    By all means, lurch far to the left and overreach. Sorta like Clinton did in 92. How’d that work out for the Democrats?

    Granted he couldn’t keep his tallywhacker in his pants, but he handed your choice for president in 2008 a thriving economy which your guy susequently smashed to pieces.

    Don’t blame Clinton for screwing the economy, that was YOUR guy.

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    Sojourner

    Poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll shows Republicans are happier and have better and more sex than Democrats, regardless of who the President is (even during the dreadful Carter years). So enjoy your bath. It’s going to be rather dry.

    And? Reality is hard. But it sure as shit beats making up your own reality and trashing the country as a result.

    Thank God our long nightmare is almost over.

    Phil, relax. It’s going to be hard but our evolution to banana republic status is almost over. It will get better.

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    AkaDad

    We’re all Socialists/Marxists/Communists/Radicals/Liberal Fascists/phony-Americans/Elitists now.

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    Phil

    Phil, relax. It’s going to be hard but our evolution to banana republic status is almost over. It will get better.

    Just don’t turn America the nation into what your party has turned Michigan the state. I don’t ask for much.

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    Sojourner

    Just don’t turn America the nation into what your party has turned Michigan the state. I don’t ask for much.

    As opposed to what your party did to our entire country?

    You’re right. Not too much to ask.

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    Comrade Stuck

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII:

    Don’t blame Clinton for screwing the economy, that was YOUR guy.

    Thanks for correcting our historically challenged wingnut Mr. Phil. He is so predictable, it’s embarrassing.

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    Personal Designation

    @Bootlegger

    Isn’t bootlegging as free market as it gets… eh? LOL

    Where I come from FREE is a four letter word. There is always hell to pay with those free political ideas and free lunches.

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    Comrade grumpy realist

    Plus any commentators about the UAW and its effect on the Michigan economy must admit that a sizable load of the downfall of GM, Ford, and Chrysler was their total mind-boggingly stupid management and overwhelming greed. Anyone else would have realized their over-dependence on the SUV/macho truck market and kept some eco-cars in reserve, but noooo, the Big Three were too addicted to the higher profits per vehicle they were getting.

    Bashing union demands, the need to keep health services and pension funds funded as Teh Reason may play to the brain-damaged peanut gallery, but whining for 20 years over "having to pay out" consistently predictable payments looks more to the intelligent like a total inability to plan and budget.

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