This is a shame:
Kaleb Eulls is used to hearing cheers for his heroics on the football field, but the Yazoo County, Miss., high school senior’s quick thinking Tuesday morning on a school bus has earned him a different kind of acclaim.
Eulls, 18, tackled and disarmed a 14-year-old girl who had pulled a .380 semiautomatic handgun from her bag and was threatening students and demanding the driver pull over, County Sheriff Tommy Vaughn said.
I think I speak for all gun owners and libertarians that if only the bus driver and more of the kids had been armed, this would have never happened this way. Think how much better off we would have been if there had been more concerned citizens packing heat.
I’m glad to hear that everyone’s okay, and Kaleb deserves all the kudos he’s getting.
But I can’t help but feel sorry for the 14-year-old. It sounds like she’s been picked on and bullied for a while. She finally strikes back at her tormentors – and it turns into a big humiliating failure, further emphasizing her powerlessness. It’s going to be pretty tough for someone like that to ever turn her life around.
She should never have pulled the gun, of course, but it’s a shame that it ever got to that point.
I don’t know what you are trying to say here.
Clearly this 14 year old girl did not come by this gun in a legal way.
@Flugelhorn: Proving the old adage – “When guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns.”
@Mark: The little girl never once mentioned to anyone she was being bullied. It is possible that this is a convenient story drummed up to excuse her actions. 14 year olds have been known to stretch truth and reason time to time. If I look hard, I might be able to obtain a few documented cases.
Because having lots of guns in a really confined and crowded space like a bus is such a good idea and is surely going to prevent people from getting hurt.
@Zifnab: So lets ban alcohol as well. Kids get ahold of that stuff all the time.
How about kitchen knives while we are at it? OR perhaps ice picks, sling shots, cars, boats, planes, trains… Anything that could possibly be used as a weapon we should wrap up and destroy right away.
@Flugelhorn: Which is precisely why the bus driver should be armed! And we should allow teenagers to legally carry! And you need guns at presidential rallies, because guns don’t kill people, criminals kill people!
Deep question to ponder:
If guns don’t kill people, how can seat belts save lives?
@John Cole: Now thats just silly John. I think this political spectrum switch has fried your brains.
You’re right – the only evidence I’ve seen so far that she’s been bullied is what she’s told the cops. But if she hadn’t been bullied, what’s the motive here? Taking a bus full of kids hostage just for kicks?
@Flugelhorn: I’m pretty clearly making fun of the people who every time there is gun violence or an incident with a gun loudly claim that what the situation really needed was more guns.
This is not hard to figure out.
There is somewhat of a difference between things that can be used as a weapon and things that are, you know, weapons.
there was a shooter on the Penn State main campus a decade ago. She told the police that when she left home in the morning, she hadn’t decided if she should kill herself or other people. This sort of incident never makes any sense.
@Mark: I long ago came to the conclusion that the things that motivate people (EVEN 14 years olds) to do things do not alway correlate with logic.
Specific to this particular issue… What motivated the Columbine attacks? Pretty much every thing the media aserted has since been refuted.
Thsi is not to say that she was not actually bullied, but I think its a little too soon to be feeling sorry for a 14 year old, potential wack job, weilding a pistol in a school bus full of kids.
@John Cole: Ahh… I do not think they were specifically including a bus full of kids who are not legally able to obtain a firearm in their hypothesis. I could be wrong, but I think it would be DISINGENUOUS to assume this is the kind of thing they had in mind.
I also believe it is a cheap shot at pandering to your point of view by using a ridiculous example.
Again… I could be wrong.
@Flugelhorn: What about the bus driver? He could legally carry a piece. Would that have been a good idea?
If we were actually serious about guns in this country, we would explain the situation to our children in a clear and unambiguous way by requiring gun safety classes in our schools – which would in part show in graphic detail the horror of their use as an instrument of violence. Think along the lines of “blood on the highway” in driver ed classes, but with more guns.
Good old fashioned tackling. Works every time…
Oh, certainly. And maybe an AK47 behind glass marked “break in case of emergency” in every bus.
@Crashman06: Well I do not know. How do you feel about air marshalls?
@Flugelhorn: “I also believe it is a cheap shot at pandering to your point of view by using a ridiculous example.”
Imagine this: Terrorist have your family hostage and will kill them and blow up the chrysler building in one hour unless you torture one of them you have in captivity….
Wow, That’s not a stretch at all. Federal Agent vs. Otto.
There’s no difference or disparity in qualifications there huh?
I think that it turned out exactly right. If more people had been packing heat, there would have been a firefight, and a much better possibility of someone getting killed.
Maybe the Minutemen can start a Bus Marshall force.
As for this event, I blame Marilyn Manson.
@Flugelhorn: Obviously bus drivers are highly trained professionals who have regular and mandatory gun-safety and crisis response training. Oh. Wait.
I’m sure the senior kid will get suspended or expelled or otherwise punished by the school for his “assault” on the gun-waving, outraged 14-year old citizen. And as for the other passengers on the bus – cowards!!
Yes, God knows that having bullets flying wildly in a confined space is such a good idea. That’ why airline passengers should have a carry license.
The Grand Panjandrum
I am in favor of airline pilots who take a correspondence course and send in a $100 registration fee being allowed to carry a firearm onto an airplane. Why leave it to the Air Marshalls? These pilots fly planes worth tens of millions of dollars and far more sophisticated then a handgun. What could possibly be wrong with THAT argument?
Shawn in ShowMe
Marshalls? Just clone Chuck Norris and be done with it.
@freelancer: I never said the bus driver should carry a weapon. tT is a school bus. The driver has to drive.
I simply turned the point and ratcheted it up a notch and wanted to see how they felt about air marshalls since they were clearly against bus drivers having guns.
I personally do not feel that a SCHOOL BUS driver should be carrying a gun, but perhaps in this day and age it might be appropriate to have a police officer on board as a chaperone.
@nffcnnr: Depends. He is black. Was the girl white?
Either way, you can expect an NRA rally demanding the school not infringe on gun owner rights some time in the next month to be sure.
@Flugelhorn: Why’d you bother to escalate it, then? We both know it’s not an equivalent comparison.
I doubt having a police officer on every bus would be a good use of taxpayer money; unless we raise taxes I suppose.
Crazy stuff like this happens every once and a while. Luckily it’s rare enough, but I don’t think we need to arm bus drivers, or station cops on every bus to handle it.
@Rey: well, at least until the gunman starts shooting. Which, I think, is the point of the more guns make us safer argument (being a libertarian who grew up in the suburbs, I’m not entirely sure I buy this argument). The argument goes (and, again, really kind of playing devil’s advocate here), that once someone starts shooting, you’re not going to be able to physically take them down, until they’ve had a chance to reload, at which point there could be several dead or mortally wounded victims.
I really don’t have much problem with concealed carry (open carry I think is rather stupid), so long as there have been background checks and training. I’m even willing to consider psych checks on potential gun owners.
If you’re using a gun for self-defense purposes, then the chances are you’re never going to have to use it outside of a firing range. It’s when people (usually mentally unbalanced people) start using them that they become a problem.
A “good” shooting
How do you feel about air marshalls?
Bad idea, an accident waiting to happen with potential deadly consequences for everyone on board the plane, and a waste of money to boot. They should be removed from airlines now. And no guns for the pilots either.
But we’re suppose to over react to stuff like this. That’s why I now have to take my shoes off before I get on a plane, because one crazy guy said he had a bomb in his shoes. Or why I have to do the same when I go into a federal court house (even though I’m a friggin’ attorney). If we don’t overreact and put more cops in more places with more security, the terrorists will win.
the Minutemen would only be good for bus rides less than 120 seconds.
HA-HA!! That link to T-Bogg was hilarious!!
Man, people have gone mad. I didn’t know that a black man in power could cause all of this ruckus.
OT: But I love how the wingnuts are going crazy and claiming that Obama is going to indoctrinate their kids into a socialist agenda by watching his speech, as if attending public school doesn’t reek of socialism. And isn’t it Reagan who also gave a speech to kids and talk about the benefits of lowering taxes and his crappy economic plan. Shitty, slippy, trickle down my leg economics.
moderation? really? I didn’t even cuss. nor did I use the evil s-word.
There should be a law requiring parents to keep their kids in a locked box.
The Moar You Know
@The Grand Panjandrum: It would sure put a stop to all the whining when you’ve been sitting on the tarmac for six hours in 110 degree heat!
Zero Tolerance demands it!!! Heck, he should be strip searched for Advil while we’re at it.
The Moar You Know
@Paul L.: This is at least the tenth time you’ve posted this story. Get some new material, for chrissakes.
Thank goodness it wasn’t Plaxico Burress on that bus.
Shawn in ShowMe
“Police guns down troubled teen”. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
@KG: From what I understand, it is permissible to cuss like a mother fucker. Just don’t use the words on this list.
@Augustine: Bad Brains rocks. Also.
I resent that remark, I use my Glock to make souffles all the time.
It sounds like we’d be better off cloning Kaleb Eulls and putting him on the buses.
And finally, @KG:
It was the s/ h/ o /e /s. I don’t know why it’s on there. I don’t know why soshulism isn’t on the list but still goes to moderation, either. I guess there are lots of spammers trying to sell raunchy products and/or footwear and/or means of production.
You forgot something John: “Also, Michael Moore is fat!”
I can see SST Records from my house. Such as.
@The Moar You Know:
Agreed. I heard there was some scandal involving the Duke lacrosse team? Maybe you could look into that.
KG, I’m not sure I see why carrying concealed is preferable to carrying in the open.
So who is protecting our children’s 2nd amendment rights?
I was bullied at that age, and I have 0 sympathy for resolving it with a gun. Resolving it with a gun on a crowded bus that was not, I would guess, occupied only by the people who had bullied her (including the bus driver as a bully, and anyone driving or riding along the road as a culpable bully)…No.
@dlw32: less of an intimidation factor, mainly. People tend to get freaked out when the see guns, but if it’s tucked away under my coat or my pant leg, less of an issue. There’s also some evidence suggesting that when concealed carry laws pass, assaults go down because would be attackers don’t know if granny is packing. Granted, it’s been a long time since I’ve looked at the data (probably close to 10 years, since the last time I dealt with the issue was while in college).
Again, if using it for self-defense purposes, you’re likely never going to need it anyway.
@jibeaux: I noticed that a lot of words on that list pertain to various games of chance one might play in Vegas, including games involving cards. Maybe the word in question does not have to do with footwear, but rather the device that holds cards in said games of chance.
(I think I got around the filter, but let’s see…)
Similar thing happened out here in Sunny San Francisco:
Teacher reacted quickly, tackled student with explosives, a chainsaw, and a sword.
I don’t want to hear anymore of that junk about San Francisco wimpy liberal values.
Was the girl on her way to school or to a Town Hall meeting?
School obviously. No one lost a finger in this incident.
Re: that second link, why carry around an unloaded gun anyway? This isn’t some FPS game where you happen across spare ammo from time to time. What’s the point of a) carrying a gun as you go about your daily business, and b) the gun being unloaded?
It’s unfortunate that this brave student wasn’t on the scene back in 1990, when Glenn Beck possibly may or may not have raped and murdered a young girl.
What’s with all this “tackling” stuff? The NRA is obviously not doing their job, convincing citizens that the only way to deal with these kinds of threats is to arm teachers and bus drivers.
More seriously, this teacher is all kinds of heroic.
I wish the USA Today article had more detail about Eulls’ tackling technique. He must have executed perfectly. I envision him hitting her from behind, wrapping his arms around her and bringing them down against her forearms, like you would try to strip the ball from a running back.
Update: On-bus surveillance video here. Holy shit, he didn’t sneak up on her at all, he came at her head on. He had her attention, and sidelined her when she glanced away. Somebody buy that kid a “Bad Mother Fucker” wallet.
Zinfab, the incident was on a bus to a public school in Yazoo
Mississippi. What sensible white parent would let their 14 year old daughter go to anything but a private segregated academy in Yazoo much less let her ride public transport? Even Willie Morris’s dog Skip would have gone to the Christian school.
And if everyone had a cannon in their yard, things like this would never happen:
So some fucktard was invited to a party at my friends house because he looked a bit like a loner, like many of us in our social group were. The guy who went range shooting and lived at the house, who invited the killer to the after-party, he himself knows that even while armed he would have killed more innocent bystanders than the perp had he been armed. Only when the psycho saw a cop who ran in from one block away did he turn the gun on himself and cause the seventh fatality.
That’s kind of the animating force behind the idea of social welfare. Who is the most dangerous man on the planet? One with nothing to lose.
Kyle Huff understood that and when faced with a policeman ate his own shotgun rather than face the consequences.
I think that the point I’m trying to make is that people who think guns are the answer are usually the problem. These romantic notions of noble power are in fact the antithesis of peace and prosperity.
The last last “he” in first paragraph should read “the perp turn his”.