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I’m going to be googling “Joe Wilson for president” regularly the next few weeks. I think Bruce Bartlett is right (via Kevin Drum via Sully):

No doubt, right wing publishers like Regnery and Crown will be beating down Wilson’s door today to sign a book deal that will put him at the top of the New York Times bestseller list along with drivel from the likes of Michelle Malkin, who has probably already started writing her biography of Wilson, titled, “The Man Who Spoke the Truth.” By the end of the day a Wilson for President web site will be fully functioning if it isn’t already. Watch for the announcement on Glenn Beck’s show this afternoon.

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  2. 2.

    Demo Woman

    The Hoot/Smalley category always makes me laugh. Maybe Palin and Bachman can job share the vp office.

  4. 4.

    ...now I try to be amused

    I’m going to be googling “Joe Wilson for president” regularly the next few weeks.

    There goes the last of Joe the Plumber’s oxygen. Now can he suck up Sarah Palin’s oxygen too?

  5. 5.

    Danton

    Did anyone catch the fact that Obama used the word “liberalism” with a positive connotation in last night’s speech? Like, it’s no longer “the L word”?

  7. 7.

    BFR

    I guess this means Joe the Plumber can go back to being nobody.

    I think Wilson’s more of a threat to Bachmann than to JTP.

  17. 17.

    Ash Can

    It could make for some entertaining debate moments in the primary.

    Joe: “You’re a liar!”

    Other GOP Candidate: “No I’m not, and if you say that again I’ll tell Rahm on you.”

    Joe: (wets self and runs off stage)

  18. 18.

    linda

    ron reagan jr just had a very good appearance on hardball talking about the wilson behavior; stressing how this was far and beyond the goofball behavior we’ve grown to expect at those sessions — the competitive ovations; shoe shuffling. this was something different and very likely with a racist angle to it. and very troubling.

    it was nice to see someone speak so directly about what’s going on.

    mike barnicle remains perplexed.

  19. 19.

    Maude

    You’re probably right. Look at Mark Levin.
    Maybe Wilson could call his book:
    Lies My President Told Me.
    Couldn’t figure out strike out for My.

  20. 20.

    cleek

    just think… Obama’s only been president for 8 months. we’re in for at least another 3.25 years of this GOP insanity.

    i wonder if they’ll progress to some kind of singularity, where the dumb becomes so strong that the party can no longer sustain its structural and integrity and the whole thing just collapses in on itself and winks out of existence; or will they go full supernova and consume everything around them in a catastrophic blast of superheated stupidity plasma.

    i’m hoping for the former.

  26. 26.

    Balconesfault

    @cleek: just think… Obama’s only been president for 8 months. we’re in for at least another 3.25 years of this GOP insanity.

    As I suggested on Frum’s site today – “Obama Derangement Syndrome” is making “Bush Derangement Syndrome” seem like a little case of the sniffles.

    I wonder if the right can grog that we on the left want to see massive donations flowing the way of Joe Wilson. They’re only going to come from people who would already have been giving that money to other more nationally prominent Republicans … and it’s going to act like seed money for a contest on who in the Republican Party can act in a way that most pisses-off independent voters.

  28. 28.

    demkat620

    mike barnicle remains perplexed.

    That is just how he always looks when the GOP misbehaves. They are such good guys he is always surprised by their true nature.

  29. 29.

    Sloth

    @Ash Can:

    Joe: “You’re a liar!”

    Other GOP Candidate: “No I’m not, and if you say that again I’ll tell Rahm on you.”

    Joe: (wets self and runs off stage)

    WIN.

    Cannot. Stop. Laughing.

  33. 33.

    Mike

    So, wait, the Vice President isn’t going to go and find this guy’s wife and ruin her life?
    I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

  34. 34.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Balconesfault: I wonder if the right can grog that we on the left want to see massive donations

    I think you mean grok. Either that or you meant that they can make strong beer for sea voyages, which I’d wager more likely than that they could grok anything.

  35. 35.

    linda

    @The Grand Panjandrum:

    oh, i knew who you were referring to; i caught hardball when the sotomayor nomination was first announced and how eager he and tweety were — literally bouncing out of their chairs — at the opportunity to defend that white firefighter. you know, they so identify with those real he-men from modest means.

  37. 37.

    gocart mozart

    I think Rahm should out his wife to the ghost of Robert Novak. Payback is a bitch. What could she be outed for? Any suggestions?

  39. 39.

    gwangung

    Toting up all the “emotional outbursts” from Wilson, I suddenly grokked why the Republican leadership left a dead horse’s head in Wilson’s bed….

  40. 40.

    gocart mozart

    gwangung, a Strom Thurmond protege . . . that explains a lot. He was outraged by the true allegation that Strom banged a 16 year old black maid. Was it the 16, the black part, or the true part that outraged him so? Also, what was the age of consent in South Carolina back in the day and are we sure she was at least 16at the time?

  41. 41.

    Chad N Freude

    OK, so Team 1, go print the Wilson/Palin T-shirts, Team 2, print the Wilson/Joe the Plumber T-shirts, and Team 3, you print the Wilson/Bachmann T-shirts. Then we’ll be prepared for a market launch the moment the announcement is made.

  43. 43.

    brandon

    I’ve been following politics too long. I keep thinking Joe Wilson is married to Valerie Plame. True for certain values of Joe Wilson, but confusing!

  45. 45.

    freelancer

    I can’t believe no one’s whipped this one out yet:

    President Camacho: Shit. I know shit’s bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.
    South Carolina Representative # 1: That’s what you said last time, dipshit!
    South Carolina Representative # 2: Yeah, I got a solution, you’re a dick! South Carolina, what’s up!

  47. 47.

    arguingwithsignposts

    @JK: From the source code of the page:

    hey what’s up my name is mat honan and barack obama *still* is my new bicycle. this site was made with significant help from the fipilele underground. the domain name was harper’s idea.

  48. 48.

    gwangung

    @gocart mozart: I don’t think there’s any way Wilson is going to become a poster boy for Republicans or Rush or anybody…he’s got way too much baggage and way too much video people can trot out.

    One outburst, they could take in stride. But these three, altogether? Um, no.

  50. 50.

    GregB

    The Cracker Caucus is on fire as of late. Who will they nominate to the president of their new republic, South Crackerstan.

    -G

  51. 51.

    Makewi

    Are you guys focusing on Wilson because Obama’s speech was such an uninspiring rehash of allusions to specific details about the plan that we already have? Or is it that the group coming up with the unliked clunker are also unliked themselves?

  53. 53.

    Makewi

    Yes, calling white people cracker is not bigoted in any way. Congratulations geniuses, you are what you claim to hate.

  54. 54.

    gocart mozart

    freelancer,
    “You’re asking that like there’s any conceivable way that the 16 year old maid working in the Thurmond household at the time it occurred could have refused consent.”

    True dat, but it is a question of law: Statutory rape or not. Although obviously “The Law” would not have cared a wit about a black girl victim in 1930’s South Carolina.

  59. 59.

    jl

    People need to understand that calling vicious white bigots crackers is not racism. It is their culture that we are criticizing. Is all. So, like all good reactionaries and cynical manipulators, I will not bend to the totalitarian PC dictates of reverse reverse anti-racism racism, and such like. Also.

    And I love cracker food. With cheese chunks on top.

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    @gocart mozart:

    gwangung, a Strom Thurmond protege . . . that explains a lot. He was outraged by the true allegation that Strom banged a 16 year old black maid. Was it the 16, the black part, or the true part that outraged him so? Also, what was the age of consent in South Carolina back in the day and are we sure she was at least 16 at the time?

    What freelancer said.

    Thurmond was 22 when he had sex with 16 year old Carrie Butler. To talk about the age of consent given the context of segregation and abuse of power by an employer, well, that’s a bit much.

  62. 62.

    JGabriel

    I’ve been thinking about whether Wilson should be censured or not, and the more I think about it, the more I think, yes.

    Pelosi has already said that she’s against censure; she doesn’t want to waste any more time on Wilson. If that were the extent of it, I’d agree. I really don’t care if Wilson gets punished or not — except by his constituents.

    But I do care about the example it sets. The House actually has decorum rules, and if Wilson’s behavior leaves no mark on his congressional record, then Republicans will feel free to behave just as badly and worse during Obama’s speeches over the rest of his presidency. Let this go, and at the State of the Union in February/March, it’ll be a fucking choir of Republicans interrupting Obama’s address.

    So I think they need to go through with censure, despite it being an otherwise waste of time.

    .

  63. 63.

    Makewi

    @jl:

    Because disagreement with a black man makes one a de facto bigot. Eh, in my experience bigots are usually fantastic at justifying their idiocy.

  64. 64.

    gocart mozart

    People should donate crackers to Joe Wilson.

    Also, Makewi (if that’s your real name) don’t call me an anti-crackerite! I love crackers. See my post @56.

  67. 67.

    GregB

    I would like to take the time and welcome all of the Republicans and conservatives who now find succor and truth and solace in all of the polls that they spent 8 years ridiculing as innacurate, liberal propaganda.

    Welcome aboard.

    -G

  68. 68.

    Polish the Guillotines

    @Makewi:

    Yeah, the opinion of a bigot carries great weight with me.

    Your support of Joe Wilson makes that abundantly clear.

  70. 70.

    Das Internetkommissariat

    @Makewi:
    No, what makes you a bigot is that you are a class A asshole. And a bigot. Also.

    Hey, we had better spoofs than that in East Germany back in the days.

  74. 74.

    gocart mozart

    Makewi
    “Eh, in my experience bigots are usually fantastic at justifying their idiocy.”

    For once we agree. Though I think calling your efforts “fantastic” is a bit much.

  75. 75.

    JK

    With all due respect to Nancy Pelosi, Joe Wilson should be censured and forced to deliver a formal apology on the floor of the House of Reps.

    Heckling is thuggish, hooligan style behavior that is absolutely unacceptable behavior for townhall events, candidate debates, congressional hearings, or presidential addresses.

    Heckling should be confined to sporting events, concerts, theatrical performances, and standup comedy performances.

  77. 77.

    Polish the Guillotines

    @Makewi:

    Eh, in my experience bigots are usually fantastic at justifying their idiocy.

    As your every post on this thread proves.

    Now, come on. These are third-rate setup lines. Step up your game, dude. Bring the zing or put away the laptop and watch TV.

  78. 78.

    Demo Woman

    I just watched clips on NBC and CBS news. CBS did not point out that the law actually says undocumented workers will not be covered but did show both last nights and CSpan’s clip that indicates Wilson might have an anger problem. NBC corrected Wilson’s lie but had Joe Scarborough saying how he was surprised that such a mild mannered guy could get angry.
    Wilson lied. He did not say that he was concerned about loop holes and that he wanted the loop holes closed. He said that Obama lied which he did not.

    Don’t feed the trolls, they end up just calling you racist and bigoted…

  80. 80.

    Makewi

    But I do care about the example it sets.

    Too late, the Democrats booed Bush during his State of the Union. The example has been set, now it needs to be rolled back by punishing it the next time it happens.

  81. 81.

    Makewi

    Sure, I’m a bigot. But then I’m not the one using racially loaded terms to describe people I disagree with or dislike.

    Have fun at your white power party kids.

  82. 82.

    gocart mozart

    I know Polish, Makewi is like shooting fish in a Red lobster.

    Back in the day,we had better trolls.
    I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

  83. 83.

    Polish the Guillotines

    @jwb:

    That’s what’s wrong with America today: no one takes pride in spoof trolling.

    See? This is exactly what Obama was talking about in his speech to the kids. But Makewi’s mom and dad kept him home from school that day.

  84. 84.

    Brick Oven Bill

    Wilson is the one who was truthful, as the President was lying. The Republican amendment to explicitly exclude illegal aliens from health benefits was voted down and the bill would most surely transfer health resources from old people to illegal aliens, as Emmanuel’s formula only considers age, not IQ, although both are solid metrics of a Citizen’s value to the State.

    Not only is Wilson truthful, but he has not bitten off any fingers of his political opponents, has not likely done crack cocaine, had felons provide him with discount housing in exchange for political favors, or accepted a doubling of his wife’s tribute upon taking office. Wilson would thus make an acceptable President.

    All we can really ask of our elected officials is to be honest with us at this stage of history. Sarah Palin might not be very sharp, but she is a credit to her gender, and has also not appeared to lie to the American people. Sarah would make for a good Vice President.

    I bet Glenn Beck is the next President though. He has come up with a common-sense political platform.

    Be sure not to read it.

  86. 86.

    gocart mozart

    “Have fun at your white power party kids.”

    Wait, I thought we were self hating white people who want to give all power to the scary black man. Get your delusions straight man.

  88. 88.

    Polish the Guillotines

    Hmmm… Makewi leaves and BoB appears…

    Has anyone seen them in the same room together?

  90. 90.

    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)

    Eh, in my experience bigots like me are usually fantastic at justifying their idiocy.

    Fix’t.

    Be sure not to read it.

    BOB, this is first suggestion of yours that I agree with. Stopped clock and all that…

  91. 91.

    Scott

    I kinda like the idea that Wilson can look forward to having people yell “You lie!” during his speeches for the rest of his life…

  96. 96.

    Makewi

    So which other racially charged words is this white power collective ok with using?

    I’m sure some of you disagree with the way cracker is being so casually thrown around here, but you don’t seem to be brave enough to speak up. Perhaps because you think that because the words is considered less racially charged than others that its use is fine.

  98. 98.

    gocart mozart

    #88 Polish the Guillotines
    “mmm… Makewi leaves and BoB appears…
    Has anyone seen them in the same room together?”

    No. Makewi is sitting on B.O.B.’s lap when he types.

  99. 99.

    ericblair

    No, Makewi’s right! Remember the Star Trek where Kirk finds the two dudes where one’s black on one side and white on the other and the other guy’s the other way round, and they’re fighting and shit? And Kirk goes “lol wtf, u n00bs are such lamers cuz you aggroed each other for 4ever!one!!11!” (that’s formal 23rd century English, you know) and sticks em back into subspace for eternity or some shit? That’s us! We’re dOOOOmed!

    BTW, are we talking graham crackers or saltines? I’m trying to watch my salt intake.

  100. 100.

    Polish the Guillotines

    @Makewi:

    So which other racially charged words is this white power collective ok with using?

    Brevity is the soul of wit. You should’ve stopped at this and dropped the rest.

    But it’s a decent line. I’d give it a 7 out of 10.

  103. 103.

    Demo Woman

    @Makewi: That’s just a silly comment.
    You do raise an interesting point about crackers though. Crackers can be used as a derogatory term just as Whop, Canuck or several other ethnic terms, especially those used about blacks and latins. Have you read the book “Ecology of a Cracker Childhood”. Excellent book!

  107. 107.

    AhabTRuler

    As a pigment challenged-American(TM), I, for one, would like to extend my hand in gratitude for defending those of us who suffer the affliction of being Caucasoid.

  108. 108.

    gocart mozart

    “BTW, are we talking graham crackers or saltines?”

    I vote for Ritz crackers because I am an elitist liberal pointy headed intellectual. They are great with arugula and diijon mustard. Have you tried it?

  110. 110.

    Brick Oven Bill

    This might explain your crappy pizza AhabTRuler. Stop making it. You are an embarrassment to white people.

  111. 111.

    gocart mozart

    “This is the thread in which the skin heads are getting their groove on.”

    That comment is just silly. Everyone knows that skinheads don’t like funky music.

  114. 114.

    Demo Woman

    href=”#comment-1363550″>Makewi: I hope you saw my comment at 103. “Ecology of a Cracker Childhood” is an excellent book and since you are concerned about that heritage, I thought you might be interested.
    By the way, I still have hair, do you?

  115. 115.

    gocart mozart

    Brick Oven Bill

    “This might explain your crappy pizza AhabTRuler. Stop making it. You are an embarrassment to white people.”

    I am offended by this comment. I think B.O.B. has exposed himself as an anti-pizza-ite.

  116. 116.

    AhabTRuler

    @gocart mozart: I am actually touched that BOB speaks to me, although it seems a pity that I can’t respond directly. Not that much of a pity, really, but it seems, well, unkind in some sort of abstract philosophical manner. Oh, well, what can we really do to change these outcomes, anyway? I just throw my hands up and keep on walkin’.

  118. 118.

    Chad N Freude

    @Brick Oven Bill: Paragraph 1: Eugenics again. Are there any other metrics besides age and IQ we should consider in determining a Citizen’s value to the state? I particularly like “Value to the state” … Lenin? Stalin? Aldous Huxley? Is that your phrase, or are you attributing it to Rahm E? More clarity, please.

    Paragraph 2: (1) Obama did not bite off a finger of a political opponent, at least it didn’t make Fox News if he did. I think it was a crazy Obama health care reform supporter. I also think there are more demonstrably crazy supporters of the Republican non-plan than there are of any Obama plan. (2) Obama is apparently “likely” to have done crack. Because he hung out with radical hippies? What’s the measure of “likelihood” here, like probability numbers or something. Unless of course you’re using insinuation as a measure of truthiness. (3) And exactly what was the “tribute”that was doubled and that he should have refused? That one has me completely flummoxed.

    Paragraph 3: Sarah Palin is a credit to her gender, which is kinda like Obama being a credit to his … well, you know. And she has not appeared to lie to the AMerican people, she has actually done so. No mere pretending for appearance’s sake, the real deal.

    Why do you make your comments so easy to dissect? I’d like to see something more challenging. Please up your ante.

  119. 119.

    Makewi

    @Demo Woman:

    I am interested in removing the common acceptance of racially charged bigotry, as most Americans are these days. I’m also interested in seeing those who try to assert it for cheap political points called on it. I’ll add that book to my list, looks like an interesting read.

    Hair, yes.

  120. 120.

    DougJ

    Seriously? Do you just not like the irony of me calling them skin heads?

    Cracker is not a racially charged word, IMHO. To my knowledge, it has traditionally been used by white people to describe other white people or by some white people to describe themselves (listen to the song “Louisiana 1927” for example). It’s similar to redneck.

  121. 121.

    Brick Oven Bill

    As a potential take-out pizza joint owner, and a white person, I respectfully demand that if AhabTRuler wishes to make any more pizzas, that he do it behind closed doors, and not take pictures.

    Given these conditions, it becomes none of my business. Have fun and enjoy your pizza AhabTRuler.

  122. 122.

    General Winfield Stuck

    Do you just not like the irony of me calling them skin heads?

    Stupid is just that, stupid. No irony required. Now if you’d gone with libtard, bleeding heart, pointy headed, moonbat or any of the approved labels, that would have been acceptable. But Cracker, skin head? Nolo makewi sense.

  123. 123.

    gocart mozart

    “This might explain your crappy pizza AhabTRuler. Stop making it. You are an embarrassment to white people.”

    B.O.B. admits that he likes pie.
    Ahab, is it true that you make crappy pizza, and if so, are you an embarrassment to all white people or just Italians and Greeks because in my experience they are the only ones who can make a decent pie? Protestants of course make a very shitty pizza.

  124. 124.

    Makewi

    … Obama did not bite off a finger of a political opponent…

    While this is technically true, it is equally true that Obama looks like a scrapper and if push came to shove and his back was against the wall I’m sure he’d eat as many fingers as the job required. For the Hope. The change notsomuch.

  125. 125.

    Demo Woman

    @DougJ: Cracker can be used in a derogatory way in describing Scottish settlers in GA. Makewi’s skin head comment makes no sense in this context though. It was just silly.

  126. 126.

    HyperIon

    @jl: People need to understand that calling vicious white bigots crackers is not racism.

    And many southern white folks call themselves “crackers”.
    But this might be filed under “It’s different when you say it”.

  127. 127.

    Chad N Freude

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    a potential take-out pizza joint owner

    When you realize your potential, be sure to post the address so that those of us who are of value to the state can sample your wares.

  130. 130.

    Chad N Freude

    @Makewi:

    if push came to shove and his back was against the wall I’m sure he’d eat as many fingers as the job required

    That’s right up there with he likely did crack. How about this: I’m sure that if push came to shove he’d assert his moral superiority and shame his opponents into silence. Same amount of evidence on which to base an expectation.

  131. 131.

    Mike in NC

    Makewi is sitting on B.O.B.’s lap when he types.

    Ah, the tears of the wingnuts. I like mine served on the rocks with a twist of lemon. Yum!

  132. 132.

    Chad N Freude

    @Makewi: Correct. But you left out

    It is also a designation used by and for Southerners many of whom self-identify proudly as crackers, especially whites from Georgia and sometimes from Florida.

    And not only is it good to learn new things, it is good to learn complete new things.

  133. 133.

    AhabTRuler

    Ahab, is it true that you make crappy pizza

    This is a bald-faced lie, a calumny of the worst sort. While, I am not, and do not aspire to be, a professional chef (all I ever managed to be was a line cook), I am, if provided with the proper tools, able to make an exceptional pizza.

  134. 134.

    Makewi

    @Chad N Freude:

    That comment was in no way related to crack smoking rumors, nor was it even derogatory in nature. You might want to shore up that hair trigger before you shoot off a foot.

  135. 135.

    Demo Woman

    What I find interesting about cultures coming to our shores in search for a better life is how they attack other cultures to make themselves look better. I’m not sure that statement makes sense but when you read books such as “Ecology of a Cracker Childhood” or even “Carry Me Home” by Diane McWhorter there is a sense of struggle of achieving by pushing someone else down.
    That might be why I take offense to statements by Makewi, BOB and even myself at times for using terminology such as poor white trash.
    Makewi’s comment about skin heads is still so wrong though.

  138. 138.

    Makewi

    Makewi’s comment about skin heads is still so wrong though.

    It’s a matter of scale is all. That one is less historically charged than another does not excuse the use of the “more acceptable” ones. Failure to understand the hate that hides behind these words does not excuse their use.

  140. 140.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    You think I was merely trying to insult them. That’s so cute.

    I have no idea what your trying to do. That’s the point. You are jabbering like a crazy person on meth. Or with some other mental malfunction.

  141. 141.

    Brick Oven Bill

    AhabTRuler makes his pizza in a Pyrex dish. This is very bad. The key to a good pizza is an instantly hot base upon which to place the crust. It makes things light, moist, and crispy.

    Stop whining about your equipment!

    Go buy a stinking $8 pizza stone, a $6 pizza peel, and some corn meal for a lubricant between the pizza peel and the fresh dough. Heat up the oven and stone to 500F, exercise the lubricated interface by shifting the dough with a little back and forth with the peel handle, and then add toppings, and slosh the pizza onto the stone.

    This will be a much improved pizza. It takes minutes for the Pyrex to come to temperature, resulting in a crappy, soggy crust, much like Joe Wilson’s inadequate protest.

  144. 144.

    gocart mozart

    OT like anyone cares, but Ahab @133 said “This is a bald-faced lie.”
    I don’t want to get all pedantic on your ass, O.K. maybe I do, but I think that should be “bold-faced lie”. I lie that stands out in bold-face as opposed to a clean shaven lie which makes no sense much like Makewi or B.O.B.

    Also, if Ahab never made pizza for Makewi, why is Makewi dissing Ahab’s pizza making skills? This sort of metaphysical incoherence is what caused me to leave the Catholic religion.

  146. 146.

    Makewi

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    I’m a little worried about you, as you seem increasingly concerned with my mental state. I can assure you my facilities are in perfect working order.

    Maybe you should put me down for a while.

    As an aside, apparently Meth is a real problem here in Honolulu. They have a big ad buy warning of the dangers on all the city buses. Don’t touch the stuff myself.

  150. 150.

    PartyLikeIts1990

    I don’t want to get all pedantic on your ass, O.K. maybe I do, but

    Remember when kids used to get an education, or at least be quiet when they had no idea what they were talking about? Haha yeah neither do I.

  153. 153.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    . I can assure you my facilities are in perfect working order.

    Crazy people always say that. I just wanted to know what would prompt a person to call a bunch of multicultural, bleeding heart liberal nanny staters, skinheads.

    You haven’t been reading Pantloads

    Liberal fascist

    have you. It might explain the dissonance/

  154. 154.

    gocart mozart

    I didn’t write the word “entrepenour”. That is a bald-face lie and by that I mean clean shaven.

    Also, “jive honky” gets me in moderation! Who’s in charge, Archie Bunker?

  155. 155.

    Comrade Darkness

    @Brick Oven Bill: Go buy a stinking $8 pizza stone, a $6 pizza peel, and some corn meal for a lubricant between the pizza peel and the fresh dough. Heat up the oven and stone to 500F, exercise the lubricated interface by shifting the dough with a little back and forth with the peel handle, and then add toppings, and slosh the pizza onto the stone.

    I’ll heartily second BoB here. I’ll also add that our $60 breadman bread machine has a pizza dough setting that turns out perfect dough in about the time it takes to prep the rest of the ingredients. Our incredibly picky Southern Italian guests even love our pizza.

    Roll the crust out thin and keep the toppings a little restrained and you too can bake like they do in Napoli. (Go with the canned plum tomatoes.)

    Just FYI, Quinoa will work instead of corn meal if you have issues with corn.

  156. 156.

    gocart mozart

    PartyLikeIts1990 said,
    “Remember when kids used to get an education, or at least be quiet when they had no idea what they were talking about?”

    Firstly, Wiki has a well known liberal bias.
    Secondly, O.K. I was wrong, both are correct but my version makes mores sense so Nya! Nya! Nya!

  157. 157.

    Makewi

    I just wanted to know what would prompt a person to call a bunch of multicultural, bleeding heart liberal nanny staters, skinheads.

    Being a multiculti bleeding heart liberal nanny stater does not give one a pass on using racially charged terms. Thus, skinheads.

  158. 158.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    So identifying racists by calling racists by allegedly racist epitaths, ie Crackers is racist in and of itself. Brilliant dude,

    Congrats! You just won today’s wingnut logic prize.

  161. 161.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    First off I don’t agree and most don’t that “cracker” is a racist term. I was born in cracker land, and many there use it themselves as being a cultural term of southern heritage and country attitude. Some crackers are racist, most not.

    So you are just ill informed. Though sometimes belonging to neo confederate groups can certainly be an indication of racist leanings.

    The rest of you nonsense is just that. nonsense. Having no rational meaning. No more time will I waste on you, rube troll.

  163. 163.

    Wile E. Quixote

    @Brick Oven Bill

    I bet Glenn Beck is the next President though. He has come up with a common-sense political platform.

    Would that be the same Glenn Beck who raped and murdered raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?. It makes sense that he’d want to become president, if he did he could issue himself a pardon.

  164. 164.

    DougJ

    Call someone a cracker in Florida and you’re going to be up against it with a hate crime.

    I had no idea you were just a fan of hate speech laws.

  165. 165.

    Wile E. Quixote

    @Makewi

    There is no indication that Wilson is a racist. So, maybe you should keep that prize for yourself.

    So let me see, according to you and your buddies in the wingnut-o-sphere Barack Obama is an Islamic radical racist because he went to school in Kenya, served in a committee with a former member of the Weather Underground, Bill Ayers, and went to Jeremiah Wright’s church; however even though Joe Wilson

    is a member of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans, a group which is on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hatewatch List
    Attacked Strom Thurmond’s black daughter, Essie Mae Williams, for revealing that Thurmond was her father
    was the protege of racist Republican congressman Floyd Spence, who left the Democratic party in 1962 because of civil rights and who had Lee Atwater attack one of his opponents as a member of the NAACP.

    doesn’t indicate that Joe Wilson’s a racist. Next up from Makewi: a spirited defense of Larry Craig’s heterosexuality in which he will accuse anyone who doesn’t believe that Larry just has a wide stance of being a gay-basher.

  166. 166.

    ppcli

    @Wile E. Quixote:

    Not to forget that he was an aide to Strom Thurmond, who left the Democratic party and ran for president to oppose the *Truman* civil rights bill (that is: he couldn’t stomach things like desegregating the armed services). Y’know, the guy who said: “There’s not enough troops in the Army to break down segregation and admit the Negro into our homes, our eating places, our swimming pools and our theaters.'”

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