We may all be aware of Project 2025, but I would bet that at least 80% of the population has either never heard of it or has no idea what it is.
I’ve written a few pieces on Project 2025 now, but this interview goes way more in depth than previous reporting on Trump’s plans. He says he:
– would let red states monitor and prosecute women who get abortions
– won’t commit to defending NATO nations
– would fire… https://t.co/iO5fT4Kqcl
— Angry Staffer 🌻 (@Angry_Staffer) April 30, 2024
I’ve written a few pieces on Project 2025 now, but this interview goes way more in depth than previous reporting on Trump’s plans. He says he:
– would let red states monitor and prosecute women who get abortions
– won’t commit to defending NATO nations
– would fire attorneys who won’t prosecute his political opponents
– would suspend posse comitatus and deploy the military on US soil
– would end the pandemic preparedness office
– would fire thousands of civil servants
– would pardon all of the J6 rioters
– would try to make law enforcement officers immune from prosecution
If this doesn’t scare the living shit out of you, you aren’t paying attention.
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You’ve probably heard of #Project2025, but what is it?
LISTEN UP TO @marceelias and @paigemoskowitz explain everything you need to know about the right-wing effort and why it’s so dangerous.
— Skyleigh Heinen-Uhrich (@Sky_Lee_1) April 30, 2024
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I would love it if various BJ peeps (I’m looking at you rikyrah, and others) wanted to choose one piece of Project 2025 and do a guest post. There’s just not enough time in the day!
No trial in NY today, so I thought that might make it a good day for this.
Open thread.
NotMax
Left out (among other horrors) his vowing to deport 11 million people.
rikyrah
I appreciate any and all exposure on Project 2025.
I want people to grasp the attacks on anyone who isn’t a straight White Male.
Those of us living in our blue cities in our blue states…they are coming for us too.
And, let’s be clear. This is the plan that they have for ANY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, not just the Orange Menace.
frosty
@NotMax: 11 million is the start. Whether it’s mentioned in Project 2025, after they’re gone, the next step is naturalized citizens, which includes my two sons.
I don’t think I can read this post. I already know too much about it and I don’t trust my fellow Americans to drive a stake through the Republican Party. See you downstream.
Jeffro
@rikyrah: yes indeed – they don’t care who their figurehead in the WH is, they are going for broke.
(and by ‘broke’, I mean, they will try their best to break this country for everyone but themselves)
This is why it’s more important that ever to put Project 2025 and that TIME interview and everything else we can in front of the “normies” in our lives and networks. Far too many of them have NO idea
JWR
@NotMax:
That’s why he wants to redefine what the Posse Comitatus Act says, so he can use the military against those things we call people, when they’re actually not even civilians. As I posted somewhere around here:
Neither one of those two know WTF they’re talking about.
OzarkHillbilly
@frosty: Same here, my blood pressure needs to relax a bit.
kindness
Evangelical Republicans love the 2025 project. They see it as their path to Dominion. A theocracy based on their twisted & debased version of Christianity. 2025 doesn’t specifically spell that out but it isn’t a stretch for fanatics to see it that way. Their Jesus is fascist and they love him for it. When I was younger in the 70’s/80’s, we’d have discussions wondering how Germans in the 1930’s would blithly accept Hitler. Well I am sadly now not shocked to see it here in the US with these awful folk.
JML
It’s a reminder that when people tell you who they are, believe them. This is what the Republican party wants, this is what they are voting for. No pretending they won’t actually do this (remember the people who said the SCOTUS was never going to ACTUALLY overturn Roe? I sure do.) or that someone will stop them. Bitch McConnell sure didn’t stop anything in TFG’s first term.
This is what they’re going to do if elected. This is who they are. Anyone who votes for these scumbags is voting for this agenda, no matter what else they think they’re getting out of it (tax cuts, probably).
and the “Project 2025” agenda and plan is ruinous for America. And a lot of it isn’t new, and wasn’t just made up under TFG. Some of this trash has been floating around since Reagan.
oldgold
Each day I ask myself, given the totality of the circumstances, why isn’t Biden ahead by a minimum of 10% in the polls?
I have a couple of possible answers, none of which I care to relitigate today. I do wonder what others believe the answers are.
eclare
In his opening monologue last night, Jimmy Kimmel went through Project 2025 point by point. Most people who watch probably vote for Democrats already, but anything to get the word out.
rikyrah
@oldgold:
White Supremacy
SiubhanDuinne
@eclare:
I’m not normally a Kimmel fan, but I know he has a large and enthusiastic following, so this is good to know. I have class starting in a few minutes, but once it’s over I’ll dig up the video of his show and watch it myself.
rikyrah
@JML:
Say it over and over and over again.
Ruckus
ShitForBrains is not running for president.
He is running for revenge for not selecting him as the imperial wizard. He thinks the world owes him EVERYTHING. Power, Money, Revenge. Because he is the perfect human – just ask him. And the worst part is that he has support from people that believe he IS the imperial wizard, instead of the racist POS idiot he is.
oldgold
@rikyrah:”I want people to grasp the attacks on anyone who isn’t a straight White Male.”
Last week the President of Iowa State University said this with a straight face:
“So one of the first things we did was establish learning communities so that a young man, young white man, from rural Iowa, could come and be in a learning community and find the place where they could belong.”
Baud
@rikyrah:
I agree.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
You are ALWAYS classy, m’dear, not just “starting in a few minutes.”
JWR
@oldgold:
My guess would be that he really is ahead by at least that much, and the polls are all screwed up. Now where are those poll unskewerers when we need ’em? ;)
Anyway
@oldgold:
Reactionary billionaires that are terrified of Ds winning and taxing them a little bit more and mad that Capital will not get their current huge cut of productivity gains and may have to share some with Labor etc
eclare
@rikyrah:
Yep.
Soprano2
@JWR: Doesn’t it say you can’t deploy the military against civilians in the U.S.? Or do I misunderstand it?
eclare
@SiubhanDuinne:
https://youtu.be/VqaH513ehYY?si=Ma5PELylG2F-OLx6
JWR
@SiubhanDuinne:
Here the Kimmel piece from last night. And if you’re in a hurry, the Project 2025 bit starts at about the 6:20 mark.
Leto
@kindness: I’m currently reading Rachel Maddow’s Prequel, and it’s disquieting how similar the language used by conservatives then is to now. The number of people who wanted a strong authoritarian ruler figure (a US Hitler) was larger than I think most of us have known. Also doesn’t help that the majority of these groups had the word “Christian” in them, as well trying to enforce “Christian values”.
If you listened to her podcast about this (Ultra), the book covers the same material but just in more depth.
VFX Lurker
@rikyrah: This.
gvg
Straight white males may think this leaves them safe but it doesn’t, especially if they are poor, or just get in the way of someone richer. Also the wrong kind of religion. I wonder how the Mormons feel about this? It’s not safe to let barbarians in.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
So the orange menace wants to be a combo of Mussolini, Pinochet and Ceausescu. He’ s been saying most of this for years , because he s a reality tv carnival barker many did not take it seriously. Maya Angelou’s statement, which Hillary Clinton quoted often on the campaign trail is still painfully true ‘when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time’
the fact the here we are the third time around of ‘There’s no real difference between them’ Really? How are so many people and journalists this stupid???
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
If they were being unfair to Trump in court, how would he know? He’s ‘sleep.
cain
@eclare:
Every one of us should be talking about it.
Remember, back in the Bush days there was that other document and I can’t remember the name but it talked about American empire.
I’m not sanguine about getting this into the Amercan consciousness because the media won’t bite. It doesn’t align with what they want to talk about.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
My favorite word when describing Republican official behavior?
Savagery.
Geminid
I read that former Senator Barbara Mikulski endorsed the Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks in the Democratic Senate primary, lsst night at a Baltimore fundraiser. The primary will be held May 14.
So I looked up the race, and found a Goucher College poll from a month ago, April 2. Some good news:
The poll matched former Governor Larry Hogan against the two leading Democrats, U.S. Rep. David Trone and Prince George’s County Executive Angela Alsobrooks. Hogan led Trone 43 to 42% with 10% undecided, while he led Alsobrooks 44 to 40%, with 11% undecided.
Hogan’s strength in a blue state can be explained by his rating on the question of favorability:
Favorable Unfavorable Don’t Know
Hogan: 65% 30% 5%
Trone: 43% 24% 22%
Alsobrooks: 38% 20% 40%
Democrats will do their best to turn Hogan’s 65% favorable rating into a smoldering crater by October.
The self-funding Trone got out ahead of Alsobrooks with an extensive advertising campaign, but she has started getting on the airwaves and ought to be better known to Marylanders by now. Besides Barbara Mikulski, Governor Moore and Senator Van Hollen have endorsed Alsobrooks.
Jinchi
You’re safe as long as you grovel before him and don’t become inconvenient to have around.
Anoniminous
@Soprano2:
Doesn’t matter. The Insurrection Act of 1807 says they can.
Anoniminous
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone:
As Upton Sinclair didn’t say: It is difficult to get a someone to understand something, when their salary depends on not understanding it.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: Bingo
I saw Stuart Stevens the other day on Amanpour and Co. He agrees with this assessment. He know Rs well.
JWR
@Soprano2: Here’s what the Brennen Center says about it, followed by the entirety of the one sentence Act:
Spadizzly
@cain: Remember, back in the Bush days there was that other document and I can’t remember the name but it talked about American empire.
PNAC served as a blueprint for the Cheney Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
catclub
No love for Franco?
rikyrah
@Anoniminous:
the entire, pulling up laws that were enacted before half the population could vote.
1807…before the Civil War…..
lips so pursed.
schrodingers_cat
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone: Hitler is his idol.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: Will enough white women wake up or will they continue to vote for white supremacy?
teezyskeezy
@Ruckus: Seems to be a better strategy than one would have thought a decade ago. He’s an absolute shitshow and an example of one of the most obviously worst people in the world, and his odds at winning are looking slightly better than 50/50 right now.
gene108
I think if you gave normies the Heritage Foundation Project 2025 plan, they wouldn’t believe it.
Its so divorced from past lived experience for it to easily register as a real threat.
Josie
@schrodingers_cat:
I’m hoping that “pregnancy monitoring” will finally wake a few of them up.
teezyskeezy
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone: Because humans are silly animals and despite having some well-developed types of intelligence, we still have a lot of simplistic flawed ways of perceiving the world. Far from a “perfect” creation, for sure.
trollhattan
@NotMax: Can I pick which 11 million? Now hear me out….
teezyskeezy
@Josie: Sure, Trump wants pregnancy monitoring, but Biden didn’t unilaterally have SCOTUS disbanded and declare abortion legal everywhere by fiat, so both sides really.
I’d say I’m joking, but I’ve seen reasoning almost this bad in the wild.
wjca
Because, this far before an election, with a substantial majority of the population polls are basically about name recognition. Nothing more. Issues are of interest to a tiny minority.
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
that IS the question, isn’t it?
SiubhanDuinne
@SFAW:
Wow! 🥰🥰🥰
I’m very flattered! Thank you.
Josie
I find it hard to believe that such a large majority of people look at Trump and think what an attractive man and what a good president he would be. So it has to be something else driving their votes. Probably a combination of white supremacy and tax cuts.
Those are minds we cannot change. We should make an all out effort to add to our numbers by registering new voters and driving them to the polls. Find an organization that does that and support them any way you can.
SiubhanDuinne
Thank you both for the link! About to watch whole thing
@eclare:
@JWR:
schrodingers_cat
@Josie: He hates the same people they do, and wants to do them harm, insult them that is what they like about him. They live vicariously through him. If they said the things he says and does they would pay a price.
Anoniminous
Republicans have gotten good mileage with suburban white women by playing the racist card, e.g., Democrats wanting to move blacks into their suburb. Running against that is the prospect of suburban white women, their daughters, aunts, mothers, etc. screaming in pain while they bleed-out in a hospital parking lot from being refused proper medical care.
Which will win?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
prostratedragon
Buckle up. Heather Cox Richardson:
Geminid
@Josie: “Negative partisanship” is a powerful tool for Republicans, at this point probably the best they have left in their toolbox. They demonize the opposition to motivate people to vote against a distorted caricature of Democrats. Republicans are on the wrong side of so many issues now that all they can sell is fear.
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
No lie told.
They whine about freedom of speech.
They have freedom of speech.
What they want is FREEDOM FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF SAID SPEECH.
They wanna party like it’s 1923
Anoniminous
@rikyrah:
Oh, much less than half.
A useful reference: Timeline of voting rights in the United States
Leto
@prostratedragon: it’s really hard to understand why young people aren’t that optimistic about their futures…
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah: It’s as simple as that.
rikyrah
Anum Siddiqui (@AnumWDSU) posted at 7:04 AM on Wed, May 01, 2024:
The #Tulane & #Loyola pro Palestine encampment is no more. Barricades placed in front of both schools
More updates:
-14 people arrested, 2 of them are Tulane students
-7 Tulane students suspended
-security will be at highest level for rest of the semester @wdsu https://t.co/3gyORLup0x
(https://x.com/AnumWDSU/status/1785641391114031543?t=A5fV4v3tKXWewNBMWSqvyA&s=03)
………………………………………
2 out of the 14 arrested were actual students at Tulane.
That comes out to 14% of the students actually being from Tulane.
14%
I have been stressing when we find out percentages of actual students from those universities that have been arrested. It’s important to me.
1. These people are used to discredit the aims and goals of the protestors.
2. Literally, these clowns can get these students – IN PHYSICAL HARM
I have to look at this from my lens as a Black woman.
I always bring up the bad actors who tried that shyt in the BLM protests. Not only were they harming the cause, but, because of the history of Black people and law enforcement, their actions could bring LITERAL HARM to those Black people marching. Literally, physical harm from law enforcement. Those ‘bad actors’ aren’t bad actors in theory. Or in a vacuum. They can bring damage to those young people.
Baud
@Leto:
It’s because that’s how the old white oligarchs Kudlow is defending want it.
AWOL
@cain: Project for a New American Century.
From the neo-con freaks who had us invade an innocent nation to enrich their wallets.
They’re “on” our side now.
The US has been an utter shitshow for eons.
RaflW
Among the many things I think we haven’t seen discussed from all this Trump dictatorial madness is, how does a country deport 11,000,000 people without accidentally sweeping up some folks with every legal right to live here?
What I mean is: We’ve never had a national “Identity, please” law (where the please is just official-speak for ‘right now, dirtbag’).
If Trump plans to try this (there’s other reasons it’s unlikely to really work, but he’s 100% gonna try — Stephen Miller is just salivating to be the Deportation Czar), there’s no way to do it unless ordinary Americans can prove to roving gangs of ICE agents, perhaps in spanking new brown uniforms to really get the point across, their putative right to remain.
bluefoot
@rikyrah: COVID in 2020 should have shown even the most complacent of us in blue cities in blue states that we’re no insulated. PPE and ventilators seized by the government from blue states & cities for the benefit of TFG’s supporters and enrichment of his family and “friends.” Not to mention SCOTUS.
I am rarely a doomsayer but a Republican win any time in the near future will be the end of the rule of law in this country.
cain
@AWOL: IKR?? because the current plans doesn’t fit that plan – isolationism is not what these characters want
UncleEbeneezer
@rikyrah: Yup. White Supremacy (which includes/informs Xenophobia, Misogyny, LGBTQ-phobia) has always been good for 45+% of the popular vote in the US.
Soprano2
@Josie: I think it’s that too many people remember that stuff used to be a lot cheaper in 2019 (which is kind of true) and they think TFG can bring that back. It’s a delusion, but there you are. I have a friend who posted on FB that she’s looking for a new place to live but she can’t find any rent she can afford. Of course, the caveat is that she can’t find rent she can afford in the areas of town she wants to live in, but the rents are high. People foolishly think if TFG comes back, all the cheaper stuff will come back too.
Baud
@Soprano2:
IMHO when people believe delusional things. It’s because they’re psychologically suppressing the real cause of their actions.
Do you think that many people really cared about email best practices in 2016?
Soprano2
@rikyrah: They want the freedom to say slurs of all kinds and not pay any kind of price for it. They could say those words now, but they know it would make them a pariah in most of society, so they refrain, but they think TFG can bring back the times when they could safely call a black man “boy” and say crude things about women at work without getting in trouble for it. I’ve always said they love TFG because he hates and fears the same people they do, and he gives them permission to hate and fear those same people openly, plus now he’s promising to hurt the people they hate and fear.
Soprano2
@Baud: No, I don’t think anyone cared about that. It was a way to say Hillary was bad without saying it was because she was an older, liberal woman, and it was a way for the press to degrade her as much as they could because they’ve come to hate her.
Leto
@Baud: it’s not just “how they want it”, it’s what’s been happening for the past 40+ years, with little signs of stopping. Yes there have been some small gains as of late, but it’s still basically the scene from Spaceballs where Megamaid has parked her Hoover directly over the planet and is sucking everything up. But that’s also where we need to re-elect Biden, give him control of the House/Senate, and then keep them accountable for passing tax reform. Among the millions of other issues that need attention.
Baud
@Leto:
There are many ways people can react to reality. “How they want it” refers to my belief that the elites want young people to be pessimistic and check out or, worse, become resentful and controllable bigots following the footsteps of their Boomer parents. The elites didn’t invent the cynicism, but I believe they weaponize it.
YMMV, of course.
Manyakitty
@prostratedragon: holy shit. It’s arguably true about assets/wealth, but only because of institutional malfeasance.
Manyakitty
@rikyrah: exactly. The bad actors are there and know what they’re doing. Look at the mess. 😡
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: The purity left does the same shit but from the left. BS was like the Socialist Santa promising young people the moon. So the reality that Biden or Obama delivered will always fall short of the unattainable ideal. So his acolytes always feel let down by the Ds.
Anyway
@prostratedragon:
Yes, and the reactionary billionaires throw everything they can to stop Ds — it’s not just US oligarchs, MBS and other Arab oligarchs funneled millions into “disrupting” businesses that employ the working class
stinger
@oldgold: Why have you stripped this sentence of all context?
When President Wintersteen addressed the Board of Regents’ new directives regarding Diversity, Equality, and Inclusion last week, she began by providing historical background. When ISU, as one of the first land-grant institutions, opened its doors in 1869, its formal mission was, she noted, that “everybody would be welcome, regardless of race, gender, or socioeconomic status.… at that time, very few universities would welcome women, let alone black men.”
A challenge in the early years was to keep students from a small town or farm from feeling lost on the 650-acre campus; the campus was so big that rural students might not feel comfortable. She was acknowledging Iowa’s demographics in the late 19th century when she gave the example of establishing “learning communities, so that a young (white) man from rural Iowa would find a community where they belong.”
She then went on to describe the University’s modern-day efforts to have a welcoming campus for everyone.
Josie
@RaflW:
You are correct. This is exactly what happened when the deportations of Mexicans took place in the thirties due to the depression. Low estimates place the numbers at 1 million, and many U.S. citizens were caught up and deported along with their neighbors and families. Families were separated and some never saw their people again. It was horrendous for the Mexican communities, and it makes me sick to think our country would do that again.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@schrodingers_cat: Says the most insistent on purity person I ever witnessed, living proof the “center” can be extreme.
Just because your purity is purely what reflects well on Democrats, regardless of right or wrong. A Democrat with the Republican ethos.
You reflect poorly on Democrats.
Gloria DryGarden
@gvg:
…”may think this leaves them safe but it doesn’t, especially if they are poor, or just get in the way of someone richer.”
Just get in the way of…
In bits of history about corporations and industry, I have read stories of truly cutthroat activities and strategies, to out-compete another company, to undercut a competitor’s supply and access.
I don’t understand this need for dominance, nor this ability to want to crush others.
Cutthroat competition seems alien to me, esp when its aim is to cause harm to others, in full disregard of community, human wellness, and ecosystem health. (Swear words 17-42!)
Gloria DryGarden
@rikyrah:
“This is the plan that they have for ANY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, not just the Orange Menace.”
I did not know this. [Um, fuck!.. Jesus, God!]
Can I get some links or references, including brief ones? I want everyone to know about this!
Old School
@Gloria DryGarden:
Here is the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 website.
Josie
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation:
This is very close to a personal attack. Maybe stick to policy comments. .
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Gloria DryGarden
How Trump Is Laying The Groundwork For A Coopted Military, Now And In 2025 [TPM]
[slightly old, still chilling]
Melancholy Jaques
@rikyrah:
White supremacy has been the core of every Republican campaign since at least 1972.
Gloria DryGarden
@oldgold:
“…why isn’t Biden ahead by a minimum of 10% in the polls?
I have a couple of possible answers, none of which I care to relitigate today. I do wonder what others believe the answers are.”
I’ve heard there are whole counties, states even, that only have access to right wing “news” angles and false, slanted information. Like only fox, or oan, newsmax.
I need a map of what news sources are available where, across the US. And what news is kept out of certain areas. And who owns the media companies available in each area.
I’d really love a total census of what news sources every body uses. Like they did with the jurors. I have no idea how to set up to get that information, or if anyone already has.
I’d like to get fairness in reporting back. Wasn’t it something reagan undid, so now, since then, it’s been fine to publish utter bullshit. I mean, to retell, or cast as news, all kinds of incorrect propaganda. I don’t have complete accurate history on this. Would it help?
I keep thinking accurate factual news for everyone, would help.
For example, a friend had cable tv that included oan, and she swears she believes a video they showed after the (“stolen”) election, in which “mike lindell, you know, the pillow guy” shows ballots being Stolen. She insists. When I ask where did this happen to ballots, she can only say from everywhere to anywhere. I told her I didn’t believe it for a minute. she just shook her head at me, insisting, that it was indeed a stolen election. I don’t know how to get through to folks who believe the big lie. It’s a crazy divide.
I think accurate dissemination of real news would make a vast difference.
Brachiator
Trump’s vision is consistent with his idea of running the country as if it were his personal business. And his base is fine with this because they believe that none of this would ever touch them.
This would not result in anyone actually getting deported, but the cruelty would thrill the MAGA crowd.
I am frankly shocked that some women and especially younger people who are sexually active, are not protesting this more vociferously. Women who think that they would be able to freely travel to blue states to obtain abortions might be in for an unpleasant surprise. Who knew that conservatives would be so eager to impose gender slavery on women.
Republicans and the MAGA crowd love the idea of limited government. Except for the oppression of immigrants and women thing.
Conservatives believe that ensuring the ongoing operation of the economy is the sacred duty of government, and that people should be willing to die for the glorious GDP. They were probably going to die soon anyway.
Chief Oshkosh
@cain:
Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The fucking keystone cops then burned up the Clinton surplus, and after 9/11 burned up all the international goodwill being offered to us, on their way to executing on PNAC initiatives. This, of course, killed off PNAC.
cain
@Chief Oshkosh:
and now we have a whole new set of bullshit plans that ostensibly worse as the gun is now also pointed straight at us. Our own brexit party.
cain
@Gloria DryGarden: regulation of news vs infotainment needs to happen.
You can’t call yourselves ‘news’ if you are shopping infotainment. Govt has the ability to label speech/content. Fox News has many times in court denied that they were a news organization but an infotainment.
Older americans have always ‘trusted’ the news as true because they are coming from the era of Cronkite. That’s not where we are now. We’re more of the Airplane! version of news where two people make crazy accusations followed by “I say, let them die”.
Brachiator
@oldgold:
@Gloria DryGarden:
Lies and misinformation gets repeated on an endless loop in the news and social media. I know of one political blog site that regularly prints stuff like “Why is the media hiding the fact that Obama does not have a bachelor’s degree?” and “why isn’t Biden being prosecuted for giving boxes of classified documents to his college?”
Even though these lies get debunked, it says much that they continue to be widely distributed.
Also, there is a large cohort of conservatives who believe that Trump is the right white man for all the good white people. They cannot be moved from this opinion.
Many of the MAGA crowd vehemently note how they only get their news from a few, select places. They never see accurate reporting.
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
Heather Cox Richardson
On them meeting with Victor Orban
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-17-2024?r=1yjc6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true
Citizen Alan
@RaflW:
Hell, the reason we don’t have National IDs is because of dumbfuck conservatives who think it’ll be the Mark of the Beast!
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
Charlie Sykes:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/its-not-the-gaffes-its-the-plans
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
From Axios
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1724026097363275921?t=LWFYzjneqDS3JAJsfszNdQ&s=03
Sure Lurkalot
@Chief Oshkosh:
Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was almost 2 decades after Reagan.
David Koch ran as VP on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1980 on an extreme platform. From TNR on the occasion of his death:
Too wealthy fuckers have always been whack.
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
David Corn:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/heritage-foundation-project-2025-trump-authoritarianism-our-land/
rikyrah
@Gloria DryGarden:
Project 2025 and Reproductive rights
https://twitter.com/HeidiReports/status/1759916385675718788?t=wxjIPTI0Y3_wruAGXI8sSA&s=03
Belafon
@Gloria DryGarden:
Reagan ended it, but in the mean time, we’ve had cable news networks come along, so there would be no way to enforce it on any station that doesn’t operate on the broadcast spectrum.
Citizen Alan
@Melancholy Jaques: 1968. Nixon explicitly ran as a “law and order” candidate which was just code for “suppressing the civil rights movement.” Arguably 1964, since the RNC convention was so brazenly racist that Jackie Robinson (a lifelong Republican) publicly compared it to a Klan rally.
rikyrah
DFW Sports 4Life (@Kennymack1971) posted at 9:22 AM on Wed, May 01, 2024:
This is where I’m at. People who can’t bring themselves to vote for Joe Biden because of what the fuck ever aren’t worth me taking seriously. Because they’re saying that Trump’s a better alternative. Period.
(https://x.com/Kennymack1971/status/1785676115656253802?t=WLg_1bGJ40RlEMoexLtP2A&s=03)
rikyrah
Just gonna be sundown towns.
Allison Wiltz Psy.M. (@queenie4rmnola) posted at 1:34 PM on Tue, Apr 30, 2024:
They want to bring whites-only communities back in Louisiana.
Portia McGonagal Same On (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 4:57 PM on Tue, Apr 30, 2024:
Then that whites-only needs to include services like landscaping, house cleaning, babysitting, nannies, deliveries, trash collection, etc.
No exceptions. G’head.
(https://x.com/PortiaMcGonagal/status/1785428170440880616?t=yg4xttzzAu6BobhiXsEETw&s=03)
rikyrah
Centrism Fan Acct (@Wilson__Valdez) posted at 6:32 PM on Tue, Apr 30, 2024:
Every election cycle the same people have some new “red line” for why they can’t vote for Dems. Off the top of my head we’ve had: Medicare for All, Green New Deal Student loans, supported the Iraq war and of course who could forget the existential threat that was the TPP.
(https://x.com/Wilson__Valdez/status/1785452282277978473?t=59sLgVpwL-xskCydu0tHtg&s=03)
rikyrah
Stonetoss is Hans Kristian Graebner (@KerrAvon4) posted at 7:56 PM on Tue, Apr 30, 2024:
This wasn’t even the first “red line” they were talking about this cycle. Before Gaza they were bitching about student loans. Before THAT they were bitching about Neera Tanden getting an appointment.
Gaza is just a rationalization/excuse for a decision they already made.
(https://x.com/KerrAvon4/status/1785473269078077587?t=GL-P1BbMcjnAA93_t3rtNg&s=03)
Manyakitty
@rikyrah: keep bringing those receipts.
Gloria DryGarden
@rikyrah: thanks for all these great links. I’ll follow up later and listen. I love Heather Cox R, she saved my life w her letters. I like the bulwark, too, but I don’t know that episode. And you’ve posted several more links and sources I didn’t know about.
Thank you thank you
Gloria DryGarden
@Belafon: so, we can’t regulate cable bullshit, um, misinformation. I didn’t realize. But only news on TV can be required to be factual? What about Radio? Or print. Or, yikes, internet news sources?
Maybe a requirement to name sources, owners, who funds your media…transparency without having to dug and research, so it becomes more a part of people’s consciousness, when they watch/ listen/ read?
Could we pressure Congress to do something effective and timely (ha) about this? At least the non- cable sources could be required too do real news. No?
(Running out of swear words)
Oh dear.
lowtechcyclist
@Gloria DryGarden:
The Fairness Doctrine only applied to broadcast television, the justification being that (a) the airwaves were a public resource, and (b) they were a scarce resource, so broadcast news had an obligation to make itself available to all points of view.
It didn’t even apply to cable channels, since (a) the cables didn’t belong to the public, and (b) with dozens of cable channels, there was room for all points of view to be represented. (There may have been room for it, but that doesn’t mean it’s happened in any sort of equitable manner, obviously.)
And due to the First Amendment, newspapers have always been free of any requirement to report fairly.
So even if the Fairness Doctrine were still around (it was repealed ~1986, IIRC), it would only apply to that programming that still goes over the broadcast airwaves. I’m not sure how much of a difference that would make nowadays.
Brachiator
@RaflW:
We’ve never had an “identity, please” law for white people.
But as others have noted, it is interesting that the right wing used to oppose ID cards, but now want to insist on it.
Brachiator
@lowtechcyclist:
Good summary of the history of the Fairness Doctrine. Does anyone even watch broadcast TV anymore?
The Fairness Doctrine seems like a useless relic of an earlier time.
I don’t even recall it being all that useful after the 1960s. There were plenty of views that got filtered out or sanitized before they ever got mentioned on TV.
cain
@Brachiator:
There is OTA HD channels – it’s filled with christian broadcasting stuff though. You have to hand it to these folks they know how to spread their blankets far and wide.
Gloria DryGarden
@Brachiator: then what do you suggest? It’s still a big problem underlying a bunch of other dangers and situations.
I fervently wish for some ideas and solutions.
Because otherwise, seems we’re hosed..
prostratedragon
@Geminid: Also the Washington Post.
prostratedragon
@catclub: Odd since he’s the only one not thrown, almost literally in some cases, out of office.
frosty
@Gloria DryGarden:
The Fairness Doctrine applied to radio. Limbaugh et al wouldn’t have been able to take off the way they did until the Doctrine was repealed.
It applied to broadcast TV but not cable, since cable didn’t use publicly-regulated airwaves. Internet wouldn’t be covered because it’s privately operated too. The horse is probably out of the barn and far down the road for this.
ETA I see lowtechcyclist beat me to it above.
lou
Here’s what the pro-Israel supporters were up to at UCLA last night.
artem1s
@oldgold:
Any poll that is national is useless now. The election won’t be won by popular vote. We all know how easy it can be to make an election look closer than it really is. The only polls that matter now are likely voters in these key states:
PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA (and maybe NC)
That’s it. You’ll probably be able to take PA off that list pretty soon. It’s probably not going to be that close – it wasn’t really in 2020. It just took forever to get the vote count in from Allegheny County. NV is probably going solid blue this year too as the recent Biden administration support of unions will be popular there. Strangely enough AZ and GA aren’t the most important states for Biden to win. MN polling shows it pretty solidly leaning blue so not on the list at this point. Wisconsin is likely to be the state we all will be chewing our nails over on election night not so much because it’s critical to Biden but because it is a MUST for the orange fart cloud. GOP loses WI and there is almost no scenario where they can win the EC.*
NC is a good bell weather to watch for the effects of Dodd and how other single issue voters may effect the election. It’s been on the cusp for breaking out of purple for a couple of decades now. The Research Triangle college voters could possibly turn NC solid blue and current polling methods aren’t going to be able to capture how Dodd, threats against LGBTQ, or Gaza may sway those voters.
*assuming SCOTUS won’t decide to put their thumb on the scale and somehow allow fake electors to highjack the EC or just full on hold their own certification in say TX. I’m not counting anything out at this point.
Brachiator
@Gloria DryGarden:
How do you get your news? The best you can do is to support the news sources you find reliable.
Otherwise, people have a right to be stupid, and are exercising that right fully.
Can some new version of the Fairness Doctrine be crafted? I don’t know. Perhaps media that get press credentials to cover Congress, the White House and the Supreme Court might have to satisfy some standards related to fairness.
But I noted before that the crazy thing about the Internet is that it made it easier to get accurate information than ever before in human history. But instead of making people happy, this disturbed some extremely religious people, and people who were deeply committed to some particular ideology or conventional wisdom. And so, in order to protect their world view from any challenges, they became committed to creating misinformation outlets to push and protect lies.
Some people not only cannot handle the truth, they need to keep other people angry, ignorant and confused. I don’t know if there is an easy solution for this. But I think that more people are recognizing that there is a problem. And maybe that’s a start.
cain
@Citizen Alan: Yet monitoring of the uterus from dusk till dawn is A-OK! At this point, I’m not interested in a national ID so that conservatives can add shit like “had an abortion” on it like it is a list.
JaySinWA
I do – via antenna and DVR. I’m likely in a minority of cord cutters in getting OTA (over the air) broadcasts though. Streaming is generally an easier way to go.
There is still a large section of OTA rebroadcast over cable that would be subject to FCC regulation because of the OTA side, but I’m not sure how much viewership of programs there is that would be subject to a fairness doctrine.
JWR
@Brachiator:
Waves from the cheap seats! The worst part of it is that when it rains, it’s really hard to get good reception across all channels. But oh well.
Brachiator
@Sure Lurkalot:
Has anyone built a pure libertarian video game based on these principles? It would be interesting to see a simulation run.
Leader of libertarian society is killed in a car crash driving 250 miles per hour. The next day, libertarian utopia, which has no armed forces, is invaded and overthrown by another country.
JaySinWA
@JWR: Rain and wind can really break things up here. Digital was supposed to make reception great, either you got great reception or nothing, but fringe reception is still fringe
ETA ATSC 3.0 was supposed to improve that, but encryption snake oil and licensing issues are killing it in the cradle.
ETA 2 Talk radio is still big, especially in rural areas. I don’t think satellite radio is taking that much market share yet, and would still be under FCC control.
Gloria DryGarden
@frosty: no, you elucidated the radio part, it wasn’t clear to me.
( rush Limbaugh, bah humbug, ugh, i’d love if he’d not had a platform.)
What if we got the barn door shut, again, and could ask people where they got it? It would be a useful filter, anyways.
Because
A. Choose to listen or watch where you know it’s under the fairness act
B. Choose friends, or recommend to friends, with awareness of their/ our news source choices.
We could choose our horses that come from the shut barn door. (And throw pies at the other people.)
Gloria DryGarden
@JWR: I have friends that do. Watch TV.
And, I guess I have friends with no bullshit detectors. It’s awkward. We operate in a narrow range of shared help.
Brachiator
@JaySinWA:
But that’s the thing. If OTA viewership is low, how does reviving the Fairness Doctrine help?
Gloria DryGarden
@Brachiator:
“Otherwise, people have a right to be stupid, and are exercising that right fully.”
Noted
“Can some new version of the Fairness Doctrine be crafted? I don’t know. Perhaps media that get press credentials to cover Congress, the White House and the Supreme Court might have to satisfy some standards related to fairness.”
YES YES.I LOVE THIS. GREAT idea . Yes. Would make a difference.
I take your point in supporting the news sources I like. (As budget allows.)
Gloria DryGarden
@Brachiator: it’s a segment, that rural talk radio. If some of it comes under fairness act, that’s something, isn’t it? aren’t we talking about 1-5% margins in some of these elections ? It matters. A few more people aware, rethinking things in any districts, could help solidify.
Kind of like w the starfish story, ‘made a difference to that one.’ Or if I lost 5 lbs, it would be something, a small improvement, that makes a difference.
Geminid
@JaySinWA: I think talk radio remains big in metro areas too. At least, radio stations like WSB in Atlanta and WBT in Charlotte have political shows in between their morning and afternoon drive time shows. Then they go back to political programming. That’s how it is in smaller cities as well.
The political show content typically ranges from crappy to awful, but the network news that comes up twice an hour can be a good news source. If I had to choose between the CBS radio news and any 3 podcasts, I would pick CBS; less depth, but more breadth.
Gloria DryGarden
From what different people have said here, it sounds like a reprisal of the Fairness Act would help get accurate news to several segments of the voting US population- talk radio, and radio News users, rural as well as in cities, tv watchers (there are people who only have tv, perhaps because of finances), and news that is first on the regulated channels, but gets rebroadcast on cable. And, to make sure there is accurate reporting coming out of press conferences, and have some standards for that.
It might even hold back some of the “control the media” stuff that authoritarians do to start or solidify their attempted takeover.
[Gods I do hope some folks way high up in democracy here are consulting deeply w the historians of Germany.]
JaySinWA
@Brachiator: I don’t think the fairness doctrine really helped much when it was in existence. I remember a few “op-ed” style equal time rebuttals happening occasionally but I’m not sure how effective they were.
I was just talking about numbers of viewers or listeners. The local network affiliates are simulcast on OTA and Cable most places. They would be regulated on cable for the simulcast programs. Cable viewers generally get local news from stations that are also OTA. So the reach of FCC regs could be fairly substantial. Last I saw the broadcast networks national newscasts were still a big percentage of the total news market as well.
While I don’t see a way to craft a truly effective fairness doctrine for todays environment, even the old version would have substantial reach today.
WaterGirl
@Gloria DryGarden:
Maybe. But that would be a distraction from the meaningful things that we can accomplish.
We have bigger fish to fry, and there is a lot we can do between now and November that can make a real difference. We can work to get the good guys elected. We can vote. We can write postcards to encourage other people to vote. We can donate to groups that are helping other people to vote.
Eyes on the prize.