This email made me want to reach for a drink:
Former First Lady Nancy Reagan today announced plans to invite all of the leading contenders for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination to two debates at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum. The Reagan Presidential Foundation plans to play host to both the first GOP presidential debate of the 2012 election cycle in spring 2011 and a second GOP debate on the eve of the Super Tuesday primaries.
The Reagan Foundation has confirmed NBC News as the television partner and POLITICO as the online partner of the first debate.
The 2012 election is already underway. I want to cry.
El Cid
Maybe those attending can best the number of times Ronald Reagan was mentioned by all participating in the 2008 debate.
Tom Levenson
@El Cid: A drinking game for Republicans, perhaps? Thin out their base, that would.
Michael
This does present a unique opportunity in that the place will be humming with activity, and somebody could slip in during the confusion to take a steaming crap on some treasured bit of Reagan memorabilia. Maybe even the final resting place.
asiangrrlMN
@Tom Levenson:
@El Cid:
I like the cut of your jibs, sirs.
But, I am afraid I am the one wanting to drink. Little over a week after mid-terms, and the silly season starts all over again. U-S-A! U-S-A!
Joe Beese
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U8I9PO0&show_article=1
Cris
Just say no.
freelancer
Show of hands, who here thinks gravity is “just a theory”?
Paris
Nancy is trying to out grift the grifter. She’ll show the younger generation how its really done.
doshaburi
This event will be a non-starter. The big guns are already committed to the Fox project, “Governing With the Stars.”
ruemara
Look, it started in ’09, just after Obama stepped outside to walk to his inauguration ceremony. Don’t be such a pussy.
Sentient Puddle
Wasn’t it like this in late ’06 as well though? Or at the very least, when were the first debates?
I don’t know, got nothing else to add except to second @Tom Levenson. No liver could withstand “Reagan” being the drink word.
dmsilev
Sad, but not really surprising. The 2008 Presidential campaign was well underway by Feb 2007. By that point, several people were officially running (not just “exploratory committee” or “encouraging pundits to wank about possible candidacy”). So, not really all that much different then last time.
Still, should be amusing to see whether Sarah shows up. Or whether she shows up and then quits halfway through the debate.
dms
John - A Motley Moose
@Joe Beese: Breitbart? Really?
ruemara
Hey! I’m in moderation?
Omnes Omnibus
@freelancer: It is just a theory. The thing is theory doesn’t mean what they think it means.
Mike G
My hideous local paper is, I kid you not, running a series “100 Days of Ronald Reagan”, with sickly-sweet daily stories about his shining perfection and heroic feats of strength. I feel like I’m reading the Pyongyang People’s Daily.
kth
This is a good thing, coming on the heels of the midterms: we’ll find out how many of the candidates are content to pander to the teabaggers, and
how manyif any are willing to speak truth to them.Ash Can
Fox is gonna be pissed.
frogspawn
@freelancer:
They could test it at the Reagan Liberry by dropping that 707 on the debaters.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Joe Beese: I love the fact that the very qualities that Obama is commandeering from Reagan are to be used to undo Reagan’s legacy.
jacy
How many clown noses will that entail buying for the participants, anybody know?
And Nancy Reagan, for fuck’s sake — I have NO love for Ronald Reagan, but compared to these bozos…..
You’d think she’d have the good sense to just lock the gates of her compound, bolt the doors, and stick her fingers in her ears until all the bloodletting is over.
Alex S.
It’s a permanent revolution, there’s always a next election.
SteveinSC
As an added attraction, should the annual spruce-up of Saint Ronnie himself be complete (and if the right batteries can be found for the animatronic old fool), President Reagan will address the group in a speech made up of a concatenation of platitudes, bon-mots, and bromides written by Peggy Noonan for the amusement and delectation of the assembled notables.
Tara the antisocial social worker
I’m pulling for Christine O’Donnell. Her campaign will be run by mice with fully functioning human brains.
JWL
The 2012 race began on the first Wednesday in November, 2008.
jacy
@freelancer:
Why, sir, it’s the magic rocks I keep in my pocket that stop me from flying off into space, and you can’t prove otherwise.
Mnemosyne
@John – A Motley Moose:
Well, at least now we know where Joe Beese is really coming from.
Next up, Joe Beese’s rant against ACORN.
Xecky Gilchrist
The 2012 election is already underway.
Yeah, can’t say I’m surprised, except I thought it was going to get rolling sooner.
Will all the contenders fit in that library? I’m reminded of the quote – Will Rogers? – who said that you could tell how crooked a town was by how many people run for sheriff.
chopper
well, that was short.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tara the antisocial social worker: I’m not worried then; I’ve seen enough episodes of that show to know that Pinky and the Brain will be unsuccessful. The only question is how it all comes unglued.
Roger Moore
@John Cole:
Don’t cry too hard. Soon all the Citizens United and 527 groups will start buying blog ads for the Republican candidates. I was worried that the recent ability of the blog to pay for itself was going to go away now that the election was over, but forgot that we’re in the age of perpetual campaigning.
Hal
I’m gonna guess that unless the Regan library sets up a screen with twitter and facebook, Sarah Palin, Phd Economics Professor, won’t be there. She is incapable of actually debating anyone, or appearing in any venue not specifically setup to favor her use of one liners and zingers that take the place of an actual cogent argument.
MoeLarryAndJesus
Sarah Palin’s first time in a library! Won’t that be cute?
MAJeff
When do the pilgrimages to Bob Jones “University” begin?
Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther
I do hate to break it to you, John Cole, but I believe the 2012 election season started on Nov 5, 2008.
joe-nah Lowell-burg
Not me. The 2012 election race can’t come soon enough.
Lord knows, there’s going to be precious little governing for the next two years.
Just Some Fuckhead
What are the chances they can animate the corpse of Ronald Reagan so he can participate?
Zandar
Are there any pugil sticks involved in this event?
freelancer
“Under Ronald Reagan, the top tier tax rate was 35%, with your support Ronaldus Maximus and of extending the Bush tax cuts, this seems to be a paradox. Please explain how you would end the Bush tax cuts, or why Ronald Reagan was wrong.”
Xecky Gilchrist
@joe-nah Lowell-burg: The 2012 election race can’t come soon enough.
I agree. I think a large part of the Democratic success in ’08 was due to the Republicans’ exposure as complete and utter shitheels, both on the campaign trail and through the several preceding years of stupid-angerocracy.
So the more campaigning they do, the more they’ll annoy the public. Eventually they’ll learn to rely purely on non-specific “issue advertising” but until they do they’ll use a bunch of their gobs of money getting face time and looking like jackasses.
wasabi gasp
To be moderated by Dr. Phil.
Joe Beese
@John – A Motley Moose:
It’s an AP report – though I guess that’s not significantly less right-wing.
But typical smokescreen BS from the Obots. Edwards really said that. In response to things Obama really said.
But then if you were able to deal with reality, you wouldn’t still be supporting The Suit That Walked Like A Man.
Liz
And it’s going to get so much worse before it gets any better. Sigh.
BR
@Ash Can:
They’re smart, though. By having NBC ask them all softball questions rather than Fox doing it, it gives the GOPers running “mainstream” legitimacy. Everyone knows Fox is biased. But if the “liberal” NBC is running the show…
Suck It Up!
@Joe Beese:
Obama is the type that can find something nice to say about anyone, even you.
lacp
Why would anybody be upset by this – it’s great! Imagine the heights of wingnuttery to which potential candidates will soar given so much lead time. Spring 2011: standard-issue TeaParty/Libertarian/Anti-Evolutionist. Summer 2012: a creature combining genetic material from the Texas School Board, Pam Geller, and Tamerlane.
freelancer
@Joe Beese:
You’re such a champion for the One True Liberalism.
Tara the antisocial social worker
Zombie Reagan would be too “liberal.” So would Jesus, plus he’s a J-O-O and there’s that problem of the birth certificate.
Liz Cheney has a shot, if they’re careful to hold all campaign events after dark and have enough interns to keep her supplied with blood.
As for Palin, you know she’ll quit halfway through the first debate. Also. You betcha.
PeakVT
The 2012 election is already underway. I want to cry.
Actual journalism covering actual policy hasn’t gotten isn’t getting any cheaper.
Chyron HR
@Joe Beese:
You can always tell the True Progressives by their adherence to the political philosophy espoused by Republican bumper stickers.
Joe Beese
@Chyron HR:
Aaaaand then comes the “You’re a racist!” card.
So predictable.
Tara the antisocial social worker
@lacp:
Awesome. who plays the role of human end table where Geller sets her
drinkdrinks?"Fair and Balanced" Dave
@Omnes Omnibus:
Unfortunately, President Pinky and Vice President Brain remained in power from 2000 through 2008.
Xecky Gilchrist
Why do you hate Africa so, so much?
lacp
@Tara the antisocial social worker: I think Chris Matthews, but it’s negotiable.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Just Some Fuckhead:
It really would be more appropriate to put him in a glass coffin (appropriated embalmed), build a gigantic reviewing stand on top of it, and then pose the GOP leadership on top in dark suits while a gigantic parade of tanks, mobile missile launchers, and Wall St. stock brokers and bond traders holding banners with ideologically correct slogans marches past.
Suck It Up!
@ John Cole:
Sharon Angle called and said to” Man Up!” —- :)
I’m still fretting about the lame duck session
Chyron HR
@Joe Beese:
Like, it’s a mystery, Scoob!
The Other Chuck
Maybe they could remind the participants which president signed the Convention Against Torture.
Christ, I actually compared Reagan favorably to these nutbags.
WyldPirate
@Joe Beese:
Obots are incapable of dealing with reality. To them,
Black JesusObama is incapable of error or failure.Comrade Dread
Yes. Because Republicans want to get an early start on measuring the drapes, and the royal court media wants to breathlessly gossip about our betters and their petty intrigues and squabbles.
You know, at this point, I would totally vote for Zombie Reagan, Robot Nixon, or the stitched together Frankenstein-ian corpse of Lincoln with Teddy Roosevelt’s brain, before I voted for any of the likely Republican nominees.
The undead abominations would probably do a much better job running the country, even with all of brain eating initiatives.
WyldPirate
@Joe Beese:
yep.
Comrade Dread
@freelancer: It is entirely optional.
You can fly if you throw yourself toward the ground, get distracted and miss.
Tara the antisocial social worker
@lacp: HA!
John PM
According to Wikipedia, Nancy Reagan took the same approach prior to the 2008 election:
What this means is that the various Republican hopefuls are going to need to decide whether they are running within the next few months if they want to be seen as legitimate. Of course, I suppose certain candidates could skip the first debate and attend the second. I am curious whether the debate is by invitation or whether anyone can participate.
Dave
Actually, I’m all for this. The GOP crop is so thin on talent and long on insanity, a vigorous debate schedule would be top-notch entertainment. Maybe they can start even earlier!
TomG
Unless Gary Johnson is among those invited (I’m sure he isn’t), this is a waste of time.
Bubblegum Tate
@Paris:
I dunno…I don’t think she can outgrift the younger generation. Seems more like she’s just angling for a cut of the take.
freelancer
@WyldPirate:
Oh look, it’s Firebagger Voltron!
arguingwithsignposts
@WyldPirate: @Joe Beese:
Wow, it’s firebagging – In Stereo!
Oh, please, great and wise True Liberals, rain your scorn upon us. Call us filthy, reality-denying Obots. Yes, yes, oh wondrous specimens of the higher life. Thank you. Maybe you can put in a word for us with Greenwald and Hamsher so they will have pity on our souls when the Great Progressive Pogroms descend upon the land.
RoonieRoo
I’m betting Rick Perry will be there chomping at the bit. Sarah has nothing compared to Perry. He is Palin with actual political skills and that should scare the crap out of everyone.
In a thread right after the midterms, several said there was no way Perry had enough whatever to be a threat and his past secession comments would kill him. At first, I was mollified.
But the more I thought about it, the more I remembered that this is exactly the same thing people said about W and we know how that turned out.
WyldPirate
@The Other Chuck:
Or maybe they could just ignore the fact that a President
Black JesusObama would rather “look forward rather than backwards” and ignore the fact that he’s letting confessed war criminals off the hook with nary an a legitimate investigation.I’m sure all of those white House staff members that are going to have to lawyer up at their own expense over Issa’s petty investigations over stupid shit will be so pleased with their boss’s spinelessness.
John PM
I just looked at the press release announcing the debates and I think I know the reason why Palin will not show:
We all know from the 2008 presidential election that the Annenbergs are responsible for turning Obama into a commie-fascist.
Kryptik
On an OT note, but still related to John’s depression of the eternal campaign: “Investors Show Obama No Respect in Poll as Profits Surge”
In other words, they’ve done the best they’ve done in decades, but they still hate Obama to death because he’s SOSHULIZT! and promotes a ‘bad investment environment’.
Because everyone did fucking hunky dory under Bush. And remember, these folks are apparently the only ones that matter unless they’re “Real Americans” (read: GOP voters and Teabaggers).
Can we just raise up the white flag now? It’s already fucking apparent that the country is owned in whole by the GOP and filthy rich companies and we’re just serfs, and they’re never gonna let that fucking change, ever.
Sue
I hope Sarah does show up. She will have been tweeting and facebooking for months before the date, “energizing her base” and when they show up by the hundreds and find that they can’t actually get in to make sure she wins, the event that follows will bring to mind the final bar scene in Shawn of the Dead.
Great television!
Bob L
I can see them now, genuflecting at the tomb of Reagan Maximus, founding father of REAL America, and then solemnly swearing to never compromise with the left, because that’s what the Gipper wanted. The only question is can the GOP get that warm, Kinkade glow to all those rosy cheek candidates. I am sure even Rubio will be white for that day.
WyldPirate
@freelancer:
Oh look…it’s a double-barreled dumbass deep in the denial of his own delusions.
ruemara
@WyldPirate:
At some point, you’ll realize not every thread is your personal referendum on Obama. And how stupid your “black jesus” line is, whether it comes from conservatives or True Progressives®
Southern Beale
John where the hell have you been? Our punditocracy launched the 2012 election one day after the 2008 election. All we keep hearing is speculation about who the Republians will run, will the Democrats dump Biden or primary Obama, yada yada.
The media can only cover elections these days, they don’t know how to cover anything more complex. Plus there’s the whole election advertising windfall they keep raking in every two years. OF COURSE the 2012 election is already underway.
Mnemosyne
@Joe Beese:
I do love how Edwards is still The One True Progressive despite that whole, you know, baby out of wedlock and lying about it stuff that would have tanked his campaign and given the election to McCain.
Either that, or your argument is that it takes a scumbag like Edwards to recognize a scumbag, or something.
Hal
What’s the opposite of an Obot? You know, the True Progressives who know the score, woke up to who Obama really is and now want everyone to know that they, and they alone see the truth?
Because really; if you don’t spend all day, every day, dogging Obama, you’re an Obot. If you don’t think the end all be all of gay rights is the elimination of DADT (not DOMA, or enacting ENDA) yesterday, you’re an Obot.
Is there any fucking subtlety left to the Democratic party? We’ve degenerated into a black and white, no middle ground party, in which it’s either you agree with everything posted on DailyKos or that Rachel Maddow says, or you’re a corporatist capitulator who reads teleprompters while snacking on the still beating heart of Russ Feingold.
Can’t I just like some things Obama does, hate some of the things he does, and still support him as President?
Criticize away. Obama certainly deserves so much of it, but there is a lot of good things there too. For once I would love for Liberals to win a damn Presidency and hold onto it for more than one or two terms.
Spending the next two years daydreaming about Rachel Maddow as President, or hoping and praying Russ Feingold and Alan Grayson primary Obama, is not going to do anything but hand the Presidency over to the Republicans.
Maude
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
And the msm doesn’t have a clue about it.
Obama is capable of setting the Republicans so well that they don’t know they have been set up.
SiubhanDuinne
@freelancer: What’s your favourite theory, gravity or photosynthesis?
ruemara
@Hal:
When we get that Ultra-ConServative Majority & Presidency, which these stupid love/hate Obama screeds are heading to, then America will wake up and elect Kucinich/Rand Paul, disband the military, go organic and break up big banks and big business.
You’ll see.
freelancer
@SiubhanDuinne:
Sekrit option C, the germ theory of disease.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
One of the catalogs my wife gets had those “Miss me yet?” shirts with various presidents on it. I so wanted to get the Reagan one and put on the back “I would love to have a president who would raise taxes three times.”
And Joe, I love your “I’ll say something racist but play the racist card on everyone else first” routine. Nothing says shithead faster than that.
RepublicanPointOfView
Progressives do not understand how our republican party works!
These debates will be a good thing…
Naturally, the first debate will have three candidates. Mittens will realize after the first debate that we republicans are never going to nominate a Morman sect member.
By the time of the second debate, Sarah will still be a participant, but will realize that the neo-cons, the social conservatives, and the moneyed owners of the republican party have picked her opponent. As she realizes that The Tea Party is a corporately owned subsidiary of the republican party, she will drop out.
And, for our next president of the United States, we will select Jeb Bush.
His qualifications are…
– an original signer of the neo-con PNAC statement of principles
– beloved by social conservatives
– acknowledged by the corporate and wealthy owners of our political system as an integral part of The Bush Crime Family who will always be on their side
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Hal: But if you see the world in anything other than black and white you are a liberal. Oh, wait.
Suck It Up!
@WyldPirate:
this is Hilarious coming from a crowd that believes Obama can get anything he wants if he just wanted it.
lacp
How did President Obama sneak into this thread? He wasn’t even mentioned in the original post – is he planning on being one of the Republican candidates?
Michael
@Kryptik:
“Presidenting while being Blackity-Black” would be my guess as to the objective reason for their belief that he is “bad for the bottom line”.
Joe Beese
@Hal:
If you are still supporting him, you are not hating – at least not sufficiently – things you ought to hate.
A reminder: He imposed the death sentence on an American citizen without trial.
To support him is to be in league with a murderer. Plain and simple.
Bob L
@RepublicanPointOfView: Dude, you blew. Jeb is a Mary worshiping Catholic, he has just as much chance in the primary with the REAL Americans as Mr Mormon Mittens.
Ripley
All we need now is Oscar Leroy to fill out a firebaggin’ hot three-way with Beese and the Pyrate.
It’s uni-dimensional checkers, sheeple!
Bob L
@lacp:
That would be one upping Bill “master trianglator” Clinton, wouldn’t it? LOL
MattR
@Joe Beese:
And the Republican president who replaces him will probably give him a medal for it. You might want to keep that in mind as you enable their return to power.
MAJeff
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Would there be any difference in his intellectual capacities from the time he was in office?
@Comrade Dread:
Honestly, as a gay man, as repulsive as the contemporary hate group known as the GOP is, I would never go to the “let the faggots die” years of Reagan.
jacy
@Bob L:
And isn’t he married, you know, to one of them? Where are her papers?
ruemara
@lacp:
He’s fucking Macavity.
Cacti
You’ve got to hand it to the firebaggers…
They can turn any thread on any subject into an anti-Obama wank fest.
Suck It Up!
@Hal:
What you are suggesting Hal, involves compromise, some level of loyalty and actually interacting with people outside of the liberal bubble and actually taking on Republicans – so its not going to happen.
FlipYrWhig
@John PM:
“Rightful successor,” fuckin’ a. Were they trying to pull a sword from a fucking stone?
Bob L
@jacy: Yes, what kind of man marries the maid? You can’t trust a man like that to keep gays from getting divorced. Jeb just will not to do with The Base(r).
Catsy
@MattR: Just add Joe Beese to your pie filter. You won’t be missing anything worth reading.
sloan
Good news! We don’t need an election in 2012 because Larry Sabato just made a chart showing us that Obama is like Clinton, but a total loser and Obama already lost the election that hasn’t happened yet.
Turns Republicans don’t need to nominate anyone or debate their positions. Turns out they don’t need to raise money and nothing that happens for the next two years will matter. Turns out the tantric teagasm electorate and the whiter-than-thou Real Murkins have this thing all wrapped up no matter what.
Money quote: “If President Obama is smart, he will try to salvage his term in the White House by announcing now that he will not undertake a hopeless campaign for reelection, and instead form a bipartisan national unity government to try to hold the nation together until his successor, inevitably a Republican, is selected in November 2012 … Barack Obama, henceforth called OTB (One Term Barack) in our work, is a one-term president. We look forward to the many columns and television commentaries that will echo our conclusion.”
Most excellent!
And this.
Comrade Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
“By the time of the second debate, Sarah will still be a participant, but will realize that the neo-cons, the social conservatives, and the moneyed owners of the republican party have picked her opponent.”
Err, I don’t know. Has she pissed off or done favors for senior members Iowa GOP? If she’s fucked off key figures in the Iowa GOP, then she’s toast, the Rudy Guiliani of 2012.
But if not, I’d expect her, like Obama, to do well in the early caucus states given her fanbase, and in states with smaller media markets, as the spending advantage all the Citizens United astroturf groups the GOP will organize to kill her campaign will be less an issue.
Mittens – I wouldnt’ write him off. He’s got enough money to survive in the race for a long time, and hope he becomes the anyone-but-Sarah candidate.
Cacti
@Joe Beese:
Then Lincoln has to be the greatest monster in U.S. history.
His Army of the Potomac killed over 90,000 American citizens without trial.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joe Beese: Not true. We have been over it again and again. I guess haters gotta hate.
quaint irene
Oy. The Chinese Communist Party used to state that society needs to be in a constant state of revolution. I guess here in this country we’ve devolved into a constant state of campaign mode. And we’re all supposed to be just so, so excited about it, 24/7!!
This is the real reason why she won’t show up-nobody’s gonna be cutting her a big fat check.
Elie
@Hal:
They aren’t for real, Hal. Some of these folks are plants, I believe. They are doing a job to demoralize us and keep us from believing in our common goals and aspirations to ultimately get done what needs to be done.
They are fakes
Comrade Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
” Jeb is a Mary worshiping Catholic, he has just as much chance in the primary with the REAL Americans as Mr Mormon Mittens.”
That’d actually be an advantage, as by 2012 the GOP will be wondering HTF to dig themselves out of the hole they’ve dug with the Hispanics.
However, Jeb’s last name will sink his campaign, as the GOP’s only hope in 2012 is that the collective National amnesia about 2001-2008 continues.
Suck It Up!
@sloan:
Is that a secret Onion site?
trollhattan
@RoonieRoo:
Watching goodhair on Jon Stewart (bravely going into the Democrat hive to flog another goddamn vanity book) I couldn’t help thinking he’s a dubya clone. Speaks in platitudes in that sort of half-Texan drawl that Texicrats with national ambitions acquire, I can’t help but see the Perry for Prez shittrain’s a’comin. The bastard has absolutely nothing of value to say, making him the very prototype of a leading Republican candidate.
Even better, he’s evidently a “reformed Democrat” who saw da light. Ronny deux?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
lacp
@sloan: Fuck Larry Sabato – I actually wasted hours out of my life reading A More Perfect Constitution. The polly-sigh academic answer to David Broder.
ruemara
@Suck It Up!:
It’s a stinker, I’ll give you that.
arguingwithsignposts
Would it be possible for one of the FPers to put a link to Cleek’s pie filter (and the Google extension port) on the sidebar so we don’t have to search for it?
kthnxbai
Mnemosyne
@Joe Beese:
And the same order has already been issued for these 10 American citizens right here in the United States with no outcry! Will Obama’s perfidy ever end?
Corner Stone
Who do the R’s have this next go round who can out-POW Old Man McCain?
WyldPirate
@Suck It Up!:
It wasn’t meant in that way. It was meant for the dumbfuck Obots who say stupid shit like “well, Obama campaigned on escalating in Afghanistan, weren’t you paying attention?” as if that somehow negates both the abject stupidity of the surge and the craven political motivation that led to the campaign “promise” of the surge.
I like several of the things Obama has done, but I detest the detachment and the spinelessness he seems to exhibit. I detest the utter fucking foolishness of his attempts to compromise with the Rethugs. Obama comes across as an utter milquetoast leader.
I voted for Obama and even given what I know now with the same people running, i would vote for him. I can’t imagine the Rethugs running anyone I would vote for over Obama.
Although it would be a first since I’ve been eligible to vote–I can see myself getting so disillusioned with the dumbassery and spinelessness of the Democrats that i sit the next one out. If I do, I imagine that there will literally be millions of Democrats like me that do so as well and he will get stomped.
Corner Stone
And someone said Zombie Reagan would be too liberal for them, which isn’t true. The real (fake) Reagan would in fact be too liberal for today’s GOP, but the eternal flame of Reagan they hold up and genuflect before, Zombie Reagan, can never be anything less than The One Perfect Conservative ™.
Zandar
Wow, John gets much better trolls than I do.
trollhattan
To get completely off-topic, what happened to the Texas that produced Anne Richards? Were they rounded up and driven into the Gulf? Willie can’t fix that place alone, you know.
I was continually amused when Megs kept telling California we needed to become more like Texas. Boy, that really resonated.
Neutron Flux
@Hal: A valiant effort, but to no avail is my prediction.
Haters gotta hate.
matoko_chan
wallah, i think it will be amazing epic entertainment.
Palin debating Romney?
Will they wear clown costumes?
WyldPirate
@lacp:
He acts more and more like a Rethug every passing day.
Escalating needless and unwinnable wars. Check.
Supporting tax cuts in a stimulus bill when data shows it is the most ineffective form of stimulus there is. Check.
Having a shitty as fuck record on human rights and privacy. Check.
Making deals with Big Pharma to enrich them further and buy them off. Check and very Dubya like.
Not pursuing serious investigation and prosecution of criminals on Wall St because they were some of his biggest political donors. Check.
artem1s
What are the chances they can animate the corpse of
Ronald ReaganJohn McCain so he can participate?fixt
SteveinSC
@WyldPirate:
Second that!
Looks like
meat’sthe One-Term_Wonder’s back on the menu, boys!ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Joe Beese:
I stand in awe – now that’s some serious purity.
Let’s party like it’s 1937, comrade!
sloan
@Suck It Up!: I LOVES me some Zombie Reagan. That video has been around for a while now but it never gets old.
@lacp: Yeah, it’s a funny thing, predicting elections two years out. It’s almost like they forgot that only one Republican has won the popular vote in the last five Presidential elections. Or that we’ll have this thing called a “campaign”, where candidates will travel the country and fight like hell, raise money, phonebank etc. Or that 2012 voters will be a lot younger, darker and more liberal than 2010. And so on.
2010 was not 1994, Obama isn’t Carter and 2012 won’t be 1980. 2012 will be 2012. The supremely overconfident wingnut chorus will actually have to take off their colonial era Halloween costumes and work their asses off to get Romney or whoever into the White House. It won’t just happen all by itself because they had a good midterm.
matoko_chan
Cole, they got nuttin’.
Huck is a televangelical, Romney is a MORMON, Christie is FAT, Pawlenty and Thune are invisible, Newt is insane (and married THREE times), Mitch Daniels is 5’3″.
And Palin is a retard.
the godbotherers (Palin and Huck) will gank Mitt over his mormonism right out of the gate. There is a segment of WECs that would vote a Satan ticket before voting for a MORMON. Remember the evangelical pastors that took out a full page add threatening eternal damnation to any republican that voted Mitt?
this will be mad fun.
:)
SlyFox
Can we all Goddamn calm down here. Yes, 2010 election was bad, however until the last poll is closed on November 6, 2012, lets hold up on “One Term President” at least until we see the Republican Presidential and Vice Presidential Candidates. I swear, sometimes I wonder how Democrats get elected at all with all this self mutilation.
fourlegsgood
Look on the bright side, the longer these clowns are out there, the more crazy stuff they’ll say.
And the more food fights they’ll get into with the half-baked Alaskan Snookie.
Death Panel Truck
@Hal:
Cogent arguments at a Republican debate. That’s funny. Have you ever actually watched a GOP debate? The participants arrive in a clown car. One-liners and zingers are all they’re capable of; serious debate never occurs, unless the topic turns to who’s the true heir to Reagan’s legacy.
matoko_chan
@Comrade Sock Puppet of the Great Satan:
yeah but she is gonna gank him on the MORMON thing right out of the gate.
just watch.
LTMidnight
@Joe Beese:
An ideologue engaging in moronic absolutes. No surprise there.
Bob L
So figure since Perry is the kind of fuckloone who hates the governments he is a shoe in for GOP nomination and we leftists can’t possibly soil our principles and vote for Barrack “Bush III” Obama so Perry is the next president.
So what can expect; de-solizations of medicare? Invasion Iran to reclaim our oil the Iranians stole? What’s prizes do we get with Perry?
Hard right country here we come hoody hoo!
matoko_chan
@TomG: Gary Johnson wears a toupe.
he can never be president.
LTMidnight
http://joe-beese.dailykos.com/
Okay, I see Joey Boy has been inflicted with Obama Derangement Syndrome for quite some time now.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@SlyFox:
Not everybody holding a knife here is a Democrat, or for that matter a liberal. A quick read regarding what the Old Left had to say about FDR back in the 30s, or the New Left had to say about JFK and LBJ in the 60s, sheds a lot of light on contemporary political divisions and infighting which is otherwise obscure. Plus ca change.
LTMidnight
@WyldPirate:
By who if you’re so sure? Remeber, Harry Reid was suppose to get his ass handed to him as well.
SlyFox
I mean, I hear repeats and refrains from certain people saying the very same things they say at Redstate. I mean, I get the disappointment that President Obama isn’t the second coming of FDR, but at the end of the day, the Supreme Court would look a lot different had Gore been elected president, thus ensuring that Citizen’s United would never have gotten through at least not through this decade. People who threaten to primary this president messes all of us up in the long run. I just don’t see a primary challenge “strengthening” the President. Please tell me how this would work?
Roger Moore
@Kryptik:
The big mistake is believing that “investors” actually care about good returns. What they care about is being able to lord their money over the plebeians. They’ll still be richer than Croesus even without record profits, but being called bad names makes them feel less like Masters of the Universe, and that’s really bad.
SlyFox
@LTMidnight:
Yep, we gotta admit, Obama’s coalition came out for Harry Reid. There are more in the coalition than the general netroots.
SteveinSC
The phasing of this is going correctly. We just have to wait out the gridlock for the next year plus a month. That will be the start of, not only the presidential campaign, but more importantly the recapture of the House. The country will have experienced the loons in the House, we will have had a black (albeit spineless, ineffectual) president under our belt. The country will be suffering one humongous fecal impaction and ready for some real change. We should be thinking about who will have the charisma and progressive politics to take the White House, help in the recapture of the House and be a progressive leader. Trying to breathe life into the One-Term-Wonder is like trying to patch a patch. It’s better to start over.
SlyFox
@SteveinSC:
You must not know any black people. Trust me, primary President Obama. Say goodbye to 2012. There are alot of progressives, but there are a fuckload of Obots.
Elie
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
A good thing to remember
But shit, who learns anything from history? (snark)
DaBomb
@trollhattan: Well the only that will keep Perry from that nomination…
The Ghey Rumors and the absolute lack of denial of them.
DaBomb
@SlyFox: Honestly could we stop with the romanticizing of FDR.
I think people need to retake their history class. If Obama was the second coming of FDR, lynching laws would still be in effect. Social Security will still be for white people and the Japanese would still be in internment camps.
FDR was a great president, but he definitely have warts.
@SteveinSC:
You sound like a republican, and if you think that it will be easy to primary Obama, you are delusional. But keep calling him spineless loser.
matoko_chan
@WyldPirate: Angle and Buck got kerbstomped because O’s base turned out in Nevada and Colo.
Cali is still painted blue, isnt it?
the midterms were just the revenge of the Heartland.
local victories as opposed to national.
i think what the midterms proved is that even mega turnout in the TP/GOP base wasn’t enough to turn anyplace red they didnt already own….and youth didnt vote– they never do in midterms.
in 2012, O will be on the ticket, and the playing field will be reversed.
SlyFox
@DaBomb:
This is what I kept saying, but hey when you argue with the holier than thou, mythical FDR is the one they want, not the actual FDR. It’ll be the same thing with Barack Obama in the future.
Maody
I hereby claim my uber leftness and voted for technocrat intelligent Democrat Obama and will again in 2012. I’m even a registered Democrat. I have friends who are supremo leftists and they voted for Obama and will again. Why? Because it is understood that life and politics are relative in the grand scheme of what is worse for the U.S. Relativity is sometimes weighty, but life is such. Absolutism is either something not based in relative reality or those purists don’t give a flying fuck about the greatest good for the mostest folks.
So fuck you purists, you can go to hell in a handbasket proudly and screw the pooch. May I offer anyone some pie?
Maody
It’s pear, apple and raisin pie…
Hal
@SteveinSC
Because primarying the sitting President by his party has worked so well before.
Why, why, why do some progressives keep going back to this idea, as if we have no history to look at to show why this would be such a horrible idea?
Bex
@ RoonieRoo & trollhattan
W had his daddy and the entire Republican establishment of the time behind him. That kind of momentum probably will never happen again with the Teapublicans calling the shots.
Triassic Sands
At least it hasn’t already been lost.
Jeffro
@matoko_chan: Mad fun, seconded! I don’t see how anyone could see otherwise.
ann
American politics has turned into one continuous reality show. We all choose up sides and will fight to the death for the power to control other contestants. God, just don’t let me get voted off the island, or voted the “weak” one, or get voted the one who can’t dance. The humiliation of being on the losing side in this reality show just isn’t to be borne….just thinking about losing control makes me think of 2nd amendment remedies. Break a leg! The Show must go on.
matoko_chan
@Jeffro: Indeedy! it will be pure unadulterated deliciousness. All the refugly candidates are awful.
Christie is FAT, Daniels is SHORT, Jeb is a BUSH, Rubio wont run until 2016, Romney is a MORMON, Johnson wears a TOUPE, Huck is a PREACHERMAN, Newt is INSANE, Pawlenty and Thune are invisible and Palin, as we all know, is a RETARD. It is waaaay to late for some fantasy outsider to jump in.
i LUFF Obama. i worked on his campaign.
he hasn’t let me down yet. He started running in 2004, with his speech at the DNC.
he doesn’t do culture war or partisanship….because i think he believes that is bad for the country.
i wish he would prosecute Bush for warcrimes tho….but he is too Lincoln for that. it would be as if Lincoln had had Jeff Davis hung for treason and stripped US citizenship from the whole confederate army.
the firebaggers and teabaggers don’t see it but we already won.
i know this because i can do math.
:)
matoko_chan
oh and notice something? the One-Time Great Brown Hope Bobby Jindal has vanished from the refuglican political landscape.
hes not even on the party poll questionaires.
lawl.
cmorenc
The worst part is that at both GOP debates at the Reagan library, each candidate will feel strongly compelled to begin each answer to each question or comment they utter with at least a 20-second sound byte of them verbally kissing Reagan’s ass with their knees figuratively on the ground. The best part is that a significant part of their time, words, and energy will be deflected from mendacious attacks against Obama, and directed instead toward a contest over which one of them can most convincingly claim to be the sincerest, most faithful disciple of St. Ronnie.
That’s exactly what happened when the GOP held a Presidential primary debate in 2008 at the Reagan library.
Comrade Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
“the One-Time Great Brown Hope Bobby Jindal has vanished from the refuglican political landscape.”
He’s young, so he can wait until 2016. As can Nicky in SC. They’ll be the “oh f__k we can’t win with just pissed off white people” option for the GOP when they lose in 2012.