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That was fun. Everyone came over and brought their own ingredients, and I basically cooked pizza for the last three hours. I just made the dough and made a red and white sauce, and we added things to different pizzas and shared and ate as they came out of the oven. My personal favorite was a white pizza I made. I made the white sauce with garlic, fresh basil, olive oil, and ricotta, and just blended it in the food processor. Put a layer of that down, then a bed of spinach, some fresh tomato, artichoke hearts, fresh basil, and buffalo mozz, and cooked it. Very good.

Even made a pizza with anchovies, and people who thought they hated them liked it, so we broadened some horizons, which is cool.

Tomorrow- CARROT CAKE!

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  1. 1.

    Bort

    White sauce is awesome. I get tired of the old red oregano sauce. Not that I would say no to a slice. But white sauce lets the subtler flavors come out.

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Sounds delish. And makes such a nice change from expelling you know what from you know whose you know where.

  6. 6.

    fleeting expletive

    Dadgummit, I thought I was quite erudite on the tail end of the last thread and I’ve been jumped.

    Yay Elizabeth Warren!!

  8. 8.

    Shalimar

    My ad is for Chuck E. Cheese. I will not confuse Chuck E. Cheese for actual pizza though, no matter how much they try to brainwash me.

  10. 10.

    Elliecat

    @Villago Delenda Est: And what fabulous pizza too—Papa John’s and Chuck E. Cheese’s!

    Chuck E. Cheese’s always reminds me of a murder case where I was living about 30 years ago—father killed kids. Time of death determined by stomach contents, which was, you guessed it, Chuck E. Cheese’s pizza.

  13. 13.

    Steven

    Anchovies. With maybe some fresh tomato slices. Now you’re looking at the soul of pizza. Well and Margherita gets there too.

  14. 14.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Now the ad is for Ragu sauces.

    Google really does well with this stuff. Somewhere in the ballpark, assuming the ballpark we’re talking about is Siberia.

  15. 15.

    Fulcanelli

    @Shalimar: I’m getting the big mouse ad too, but I guess it’s better than the chick with the zucchini. I click on the ads to help out our host but that’s where I draw the line, Cole.

  16. 16.

    Joseph Nobles

    @Elliecat:

    Chuck E. Cheese’s always reminds me of a murder case where I was living about 30 years ago—-father killed kids. Time of death determined by stomach contents, which was, you guessed it, Chuck E. Cheese’s pizza.

    Insert my horrified face here.

  17. 17.

    Jeffro

    For funsies on pizza night, in addition to the usual boring cheese & red sauce for the kids, I made one for us grownups that had fig spread*, jack cheese, chicken, bacon, plum tomato slices, red onion, and cilantro.

    Yes, it really was THAT good.

    *made for an almost maple syrup flavor once baked…glad I used it sparingly!

  23. 23.

    TaMara (BHF)

    Mmmm, pizza. Geez all I did tonight was laundry. But whatever, it’s not like I run a food blog or anything.*

    Just heard the most disturbing story on the local news. Seems a bunch of local clubs, all owned by the same organization are turning away minorities in large numbers. This is 2011, right? I didn’t just get time warped back to the 70’s?

    Not only is this disgusting, but completely illegal in Denver. And they have it all on cell phone video.

    *Anyway who could eat after all the Rosie anal gland expression narrative.

  24. 24.

    Elliecat

    Okay, I was going to quit commenting on ads but now I have an ad for Himalayan Pink Salt (among others). I mean, are you kidding me? And it’s not even a thread about McMegan.

  25. 25.

    fleeting expletive

    And all you other guys except Punchy? Any old dude that can and will make pizza for me?

  29. 29.

    Elliecat

    @fleeting expletive:

    Any old dude that can and will make pizza for me?

    Oh honey. I thought like you and married the dude who made (excellent) pizza for me. That lasted a couple years. Last pizza was about 16 years ago.

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    @KeithW: I say the same thing about french fries/onion rings and ketchup…my daughter (also a ketchup hound) has the line down pat. God bless her.

  32. 32.

    fleeting expletive

    Elliecat, I realize that the dream don’t last. But just a little fantasy can go a long ways sometimes, if yanowhuteyemean.

  33. 33.

    Loneoak

    Fresh buffala mozzarella is among the greatest foods on the planet. My favorite pizza this summer has been roasted tomatoes, buffala, and basil.

  35. 35.

    opal

    Sounds yummy, but I’m concerned about how the increased moisture content in all those vegetables might impact the less capable pizza crust.

  36. 36.

    fleeting expletive

    I don’t mean to hog the thread, but I did make some mighty fine tabouli today and I think I’ll be living off of it for the next couple of days. Tabouli and boiled eggs? Pretty good nutrition? Supplemented with some fruit? I’ve got cherries, apples, peaches, prunes. Also peanut butter? I’m not actively vegetarian, but I tend to just not eat very much meat, kinda grossed out at the grocery store. The organic free-range chicken is too damn high! I guess.

  42. 42.

    Comrade Mary

    @BethanyAnne: The final paragraph is … subtle:

    Driving away on a golf cart with her husband Marcus beside her, Mrs Bachmann stopped to buy a foot-long corn dog – a chicken and beef sausage in deep-fried batter. After applying mustard and allowing Mr Bachmann to take the first bite, she chomped into it with gusto.

  45. 45.

    fleeting expletive

    Um, the topic of Carrot Cake? I like it real simple. Carrots, flour, sugar, eggs, baking powder/soda, your basic acid liquid (buttermilk/vinegar/lemon juice), various spices especially maybe nutmeg, cinnemon, vanilla, cloves, whatever. I think I used to have that recipe but all has been lost in my last three moves.

  48. 48.

    fleeting expletive

    Just consulted my Fannie Farmer, and alas, no simple carrot cake there. I swear I used to know a simple recipe. Lost and gone I guess.

  52. 52.

    Violet

    @BethanyAnne:
    That photo is awesome. They’re gonna catch hell for running it, though.

    I had pizza for dinner tonight too. Ordered it from a locally owned place just up the road. Delicious. It’s far too hot to heat up the house by using the oven. Don’t turn on the oven until October.

  53. 53.

    Constance

    My ad is for Papa somebodies pizza and Regent University, a premier christian education. If I mention I’m an atheist will I get atheist ads? On my Google email I would. Just returned from a surprise birthday party for a friend and the potluck offerings were to die for. This crowd can cook. I haven’t had alcohol for two months while completing a huge project and tonight I had two glasses of red wine and they were sublime. On the way home the world was illuminated by the full moon and I was smiling and thinking, “Life is good.” In many places it is not good and there is suffering but this moment in this place, “Life is good.” And now I’m toddling off to bed, reading Life Without Breadfor a bit while I unwind. And, yes, it may be the wine talking, but life is still good.

  59. 59.

    JGabriel

    British Leader Seeks Public Housing Evictions for Rioters and Their Families, NYT:

    Prime Minister David Cameron put forward on Friday a new way of punishing the looters and vandals who rampaged through many of the country’s cities and towns: kick them and their families out of their government-subsidized homes.

    Right. Take a bunch of people with nothing to do who seemingly rioted over anger at having services cut and being pushed a little too far, then kick them out on the street with nothing to do and nowhere to go.

    That sounds like a recipe for peace and success.

    My god. It’s like the Tories have gone as bonkers as the teabaggers. I can’t think of ANYTHING less likely to resolve tensions than this plan from Cameron. Fucking idiot.

    .

  63. 63.

    fleeting expletive

    JGabriel–since when have governments, any governments, ever assessed a situation and acted with reason as to the cause of the situation? It’s hardwired I suppose, That powers That Be will always just throw up (indeed) their most authoritarian response to anything untoward in their worldview. YES we must just be more authoritan in response to protests against our authroritanism. I swear the human species is pretty damn dumn.

  64. 64.

    gbear

    I had cheeseburgers and onion chips from White Castle for dinner tonight. I wind up going there every six months or so just to remind myself why I only go there every six months or so, but when you’re in the mood for them, there’s nothing else that will do.

    Also, I love carrot cake.

  67. 67.

    BD of MN

    @JGabriel:

    Isn’t Paula Dean the one who put a bacon egg cheeseburger between a couple of Krispy Kreme donuts?

    you say that like it’s a bad thing….

  69. 69.

    Yutsano

    @Bnut: Shorter Starkey: “If the nigras would just shut up and act like decent white folk they wouldn’t have caused this in the first place.”

    And was it just me or did Starkey come across as a smarmy git? He definitely hated being challenged by the other two. The ivory tower can be rather uncomfortable to leave.

  71. 71.

    Suffern ACE

    @Yutsano: Yep. Just finished reading a daily mirror editorial of the same thing. Basically even if there were whites rioting, the blacks are responsible for the behavior of those whites…because my grandmother during the blitz didn’t look for the root causes of fascism either.

  72. 72.

    Nutella

    @JGabriel:

    My twitter feed has noted several times tonight that the estimated cost of the riots (200 million pounds) is considerably less than the amount of tax evasion/avoidance of just ONE plutocrat, the guy who owns Top Shop and Miss Selfridge retail chains.

    This may explain why the only shop burned in one city’s riot was Miss Selfridge.

  73. 73.

    Yutsano

    @Suffern ACE: It’s funny how there’s another layer here: the barely hidden contempt Starkey has for the other two participants. It’s like he just KNOWS he’s right because he is an upstanding British citizen and the other two are mere whelps next to his greatness. Their lack of their genuflection comes through in his attitude. It made the young guy even cuter to me. The brain power helped. :)

  74. 74.

    Jenny

    Blacks get blamed for everything. Even today, wingers still try to blame the fall of Lehman Brothers on blacks.

  75. 75.

    Jenny

    Dems take a 7 point lead in the generic congressional ballot. A year ago at this very time, the wingers had a 7 point lead. A 14 pt switch in 12 months. Looks like the rumors of a permanent teabag majority were greatly exaggerated.

  76. 76.

    Dennis SGMM

    I’ve been working on a Gruyere and asparagus pizza with white sauce. Four pizzas on and I can’t get the damned sauce right.
    Edit: It isn’t that they weren’t good, they just weren’t “right.”

  77. 77.

    Suffern ACE

    @Yutsano: His upstanding authority probably also comes from his mother surviving the blitz. Since the blacks weren’t around as much during the blitz, (but probably would have survived just as well as the whites), its an odd false memory to hang on to. It would seem that even if the blacks weren’t so accepted by the whites and were forced to subit more forcefully to native authority, they’d still be at a loss because they lacked the authority of being in London when bombs were falling down and lips were extra-stiff. Trumps anyone else’s national trauma, don’t ya know.

  78. 78.

    Bethanyanne

    And the Mitt photo is more subtle (what could be less,right?) but still… worse. http://goo.gl/DPO0M. But, looking at the photo again, Mitt looks too young, that can’t be today, can it?

    Edit: now I see, that was from the last primaries.

  79. 79.

    JGabriel

    Unintended Consequences from The So-Called Tough On Crime Party :

    While liberals have long complained that harsh mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent offenses like drug possession are unjust, the push to overhaul penal policies has been increasingly embraced by elected officials in some of the most conservative states in the country. And for a different reason: to save money.
    __
    Some early results have been dramatic. In 2007, Texas was facing a projected shortfall of about 17,000 inmate beds by 2012. But instead of building and operating new prison space, the State Legislature decided to steer nonviolent offenders into drug treatment and to expand re-entry programs designed to help recently released inmates avoid returning to custody.
    __
    As a result, the Texas prison system is now operating so far under its capacity that this month it is closing a 1,100-bed facility in Sugar Land — the first time in the state’s history that a prison has closed. Texas taxpayers have saved hundreds of millions of dollars, and the changes have coincided with the violent crime rate’s dipping to its lowest level in 30 years.

    So. How long before conservatives say it was all liberals’ fault that they didn’t try drug treatment sooner? If only those damn liberals hadn’t been so smug when they recommended it, Texas could have saved billions. Billions!

    .

  81. 81.

    Amir Khalid

    I’ve not seen a certain person commenting since her tantrum in the thread on Freddie de Boer’s most recent post. Was she granted her wish for another time-out?

  82. 82.

    Martin

    @Violet: We make pizza on the grill. Gets hotter, and doesn’t heat up the house. Gets that nice rustic flavor to it too that’s hard to achieve in the oven.

  83. 83.

    Anne Laurie

    @JGabriel:

    Take a bunch of people with nothing to do who seemingly rioted over anger at having services cut and being pushed a little too far, then kick them out on the street with nothing to do and nowhere to go.
    __
    That sounds like a recipe for peace and success.

    I see Bill Bratton’s “unpaid assistance” (he was all over the local news tonight) is already being taken under advisement.

    The concept is that Single Mom/Granny is okay with her young gangster’s boys-will-be-boys fun, until it looks like her social-services-needing self will be thrown out on the street, and then magically she’ll get control over the ‘kid’ again. This worked in Boston, to a limited degree, because the police doing the evictions were heavily armed…

    Of course, by “worked” I don’t mean it deterred the young yobs from killing each other and the occasional innocent passer-by, but it did attract enough media attention to move the next wave of shootings from the evictions-in-progress housing project to the one at the next subway stop over, as well as giving the “something must be done” voters a warm glow of gratified vindictiveness.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Amir Khalid: I have found that if she is mentioned, she appears. No idea if she was banned or not. Generally, though, a ban seems to cause better behavior in the short term when she comes back.

  86. 86.

    Martin

    If anyone other than me and the wife likes to geek out on building plans, some of the preliminary plans for Apple’s new HQ have been posted on the city website.

    I wonder why they didn’t stuff all the parking under the building instead of only half of it. Why not go all out?

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Martin:

    I wonder why they didn’t stuff all the parking under the building instead of only half of it. Why not go all out?

    I say blame the lawyers. It is something to do with zoning.

  88. 88.

    Bnut

    @Yutsano: I envisioned him with a monocle, a top hat and a cup of tea on a saucer. The incredulity on the face of the woman guest was hilarious. I can’t believe she didn’t slap him.

  89. 89.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Bnut:

    I envisioned him with a monocle, a top hat and a cup of tea on a saucer.

    I would really prefer that you not spend that amount of time thinking about me.

  91. 91.

    Amir Khalid

    Listening to David Starkey on that Beeb clip. He’s not defending himself very well, talking over the moderator and the other panelists whenever they put to him a particularly hard question.

    Remember that kid from my country, Asyraf Haziq, who had his backpack cleaned out while he stood around dazed and badly injured? There were white people among those who victimized him. If I recall correctly, Asyraf said it was a black woman who finally came to his aid. And in Birmingham, it was a Pakistani Muslim father who’d lost his son, whose appeal for calm and forgiveness finally brought everyone to their senses.

    There’s a criminal element in white British culture, just as there is one in nonwhite British cultures. Marginalization and exclusion affect white Britons too, and they have more to do with what caused the riots than race. David Starkey is just a privileged white man airing his prejudices.

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Amir Khalid:

    There’s a criminal element in white British culture, just as there is one in nonwhite British cultures.

    There is a criminal element to every culture. At most, it may find itself expressed in different ways, but it is there in all humans.

    ETA: Starkey is a tool.

  93. 93.

    Ozymandias, King of Ants

    Also, too: quartered fresh figs, dry salami (the real stuff), soft goat cheese, and thinly sliced red onions (preferably torpedos) is the best best pizza I know.

  94. 94.

    Yutsano

    @Bnut: I half expected the young guy to haul off and say stop treating me like one of your grad students you self-righteous prick. And I admit the woman handled herself with a shit ton more grace than I would have.

    @Amir Khalid:

    David Starkey is just a privileged white man airing his prejudices.

    THIS AD INFINITUM.

  95. 95.

    Martin

    @Omnes Omnibus: Apple’s dropping roughly $5B on this. After the high speed rail, it’s probably the next most expensive construction project in the state. I doubt the city would have stopped it over something procedural. Just seems odd that they’re working so hard to undo as much of the surface paving as possible, yet they leave that disneyland sized parking structure out there.

  97. 97.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Martin: I am sure you are right, but sometimes I find it easiest to pre-blame the lawyers. Also too, I can’t sleep, so I am sitting here trying to amuse myself if not others.

  98. 98.

    Ozymandias, King of Ants

    Well, you have get really creative when you have a fig tree in your backyard.

  101. 101.

    Martin

    @Ozymandias, King of Ants: Yeah, it really does. I imagine it’ll seem even moreso in person with all of that glass.

    They tried to buy out that apartment complex there in the southwest corner. I wonder if they would have made the building even larger if they had succeeded. That seems to be the main constraint on the diameter of the building. It’s 1520′ across – a bit over 1/4 mile and about 10% larger than the Pentagon.

  102. 102.

    Suffern ACE

    @Martin: It looks like a fortress. With that lake in the middle its as if they’re planning to outlast a siege by the Huns.

  106. 106.

    Martin

    @Suffern ACE: I don’t think there’s any water in the plans, but they do have an attitude up there that they’re under siege. Right now it’s armies of lawyers taking up the battlefield, though.

  107. 107.

    Ozymandias, King of Ants

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Just take a slice of salami, wrap it around a piece of fig, add a few crumbles of goat cheese and pop in your mouth. If you like it, you’ll like the pizza.

    You could go with prosciutto, but we found that doesn’t hold up well to strongly flavored figs like ours.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Ozymandias, King of Ants: As a Wisconsinite, I am, of course, a fan of cheese, but goat’s mild cheese has never appealed to me. Sheep’s milk is fine, goat, not so much. There is something about the flavor that just sets my teeth on edge.

  111. 111.

    Martin

    @PeakVT: I don’t think that’d be a deterrent. The overall cost of the project is coming in around $1500/sq ft, which includes landscaping, parking, and plant costs. That’s a HUGE number. The Freedom Tower is supposed to have a bit less square footage but only cost $2B – less than half of the cost of this project.

    What’s more, if it cost $1B more to do all the parking, that’s only 9 days profits. When you’re blowing insane money on a construction project, making it slightly more insane doesn’t seem like it should suddenly become a problem.

  112. 112.

    Yutsano

    @Bnut:

    Obvious concern troll is obvious.

    Adjusted that fer ya. And the young guy is quite impressive. I’m curious as to his background now.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    goat’s mild cheese has never appealed to me

    I fully admit it’s an insult to my French heritage, but I agree. Goat cheese is just too damn tangy for me to enjoy.

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Yutsano: Sausage with donkey is fine though, right? My French-Canadian grandfather could not stand any form of bleu cheese; to him, it tasted like soap.

  115. 115.

    Yutsano

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Sausage with donkey is fine though, right?

    And you have issues with figs on pizza? (which is delicious BTW)

    My French-Canadian grandfather could not stand any form of bleu cheese

    Most likely it’s the mold. A lot of folks say they don’t care for that particular flavor. As a lover of stilton, I find them curious. No insult to your predecessors.

  117. 117.

    Yutsano

    @Omnes Omnibus: I wholeheartedly agree with you there. Nothing like a gorgonzola sauce with tagliatelli or a nice creamy Roquefort on a toast point. Stilton is magical but very pricey. It’s a fave of the work Dawg.

  119. 119.

    Yutsano

    @Omnes Omnibus: General insomnia or mind will not shut down? I’m good for awhile yet. It’s Friday and provoking firebaggers isn’t interesting me much right now.

  120. 120.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Yutsano: Went to bed and my mind just kept going… So I got up assuming that being up for awhile would cause me to become tired and go to sleep. Didn’t happen.

  121. 121.

    Yutsano

    @Omnes Omnibus: It is always possible to have too many thoughts. The Pensieve would indeed be a handy device for clarity of thought.

    I don’t have the desire to see the firebagger’s response to me. Ennui can be useful.

  122. 122.

    R-Jud

    Dear God, I know I’m sick when I read about someone making homemade pizza and feel queasy.

    I do pizza most Friday nights (not yesterday, though), and generally just stick to marinara/buffalo mozzarella/ basil, maybe with some crushed red pepper.

    But when I’m feeling daffy I’ll throw one together with a pesto/ricotta sauce or with bacon and blue cheese (Danish, Stilton, whatever). I can get a kilo of buffalo mozzarella down at the Bullring for the princely sum of £2. It actually freezes okay.

    Getting a pizza stone and a pizza slide seemed like an indulgence at first, but I’ve had better crusts/fewer burned fingers since buying them.

  124. 124.

    Yutsano

    @R-Jud:

    Dear God, I know I’m sick when I read about someone making homemade pizza and feel queasy.

    Chicken soup works just as well in the UK. The matzoh balls might take some scrounging though.

  126. 126.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @MikeJ: Ain’t that a load of fun? I just could not go to sleep at all. It happens to me every once in a while.

  128. 128.

    R-Jud

    @Yutsano: Yeah, I had chicken soup last night. Homemade tagliatelle in place of the matzoh balls.
    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It happens to me every once in a while.

    It seems to happen to me a few times a year for several days at a time. I’ve sort of become resigned to it.

  131. 131.

    asiangrrlMN

    @R-Jud: I know what you mean. A few times a year, I go to bed at midnight! I have no idea what that’s about.

    @Omnes Omnibus: No offense taken. I don’t blame you. Being up when you really don’t want to be is just plain shitty.

    @Amir Khalid: Hi! I’m all right. You? You handled the kerfuffle with she-who-must-not-be-named admirable well. Kudos to you.

  132. 132.

    R-Jud

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I know what you mean. A few times a year, I go to bed at midnight! I have no idea what that’s about.

    Have you tried exercise? Stabbing people with a rusty pitchfork helps regulate sleep patterns. As long as the people in question deserve it.

  133. 133.

    asiangrrlMN

    @R-Jud: Ha! I used to exercise regularly (three hours a day). It never helped. I will say that since I added a second tai chi class a week, my sleep has gotten better. I think the more I do it, the better my sleep will get. I hope.

    P.S. I will be learning the sword form next. I think I could apply that to my rusty pitchfork!

  134. 134.

    R-Jud

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I used to exercise regularly (three hours a day).

    This is roughly what I manage now, and if I can’t do it, I don’t sleep and I hate everyone. That’s addiction for you.

    I like the idea of things like Tai Chi and martial arts, but being congenitally uncoordinated, I will stick to weight lifting and running or swimming in a more or less straight line.

    ETA: Right, we’re going to venture into the city centre, spend some money, and try not to be too sad about the wreckage. Catch you guys later.

  135. 135.

    Amir Khalid

    @asiangrrlMN:
    A little hungry, but otherwise OK. Breaking fast in a couple hours time.

    I just stayed out of the way and let her do all the freaking out. Then I sneaked off to the next thread and let other people handle her for me. I was amused, though, when she said that if I’m a Muslim then she’s Bristol Palin.

  136. 136.

    asiangrrlMN

    @R-Jud: Heh. Tai chi is the exercise for the lazy, my teacher likes to tell me, and it’s so true. But, I say, whatever works for you. Oh, I will be adding weightlifting back to my routine, too. I tore up both my shoulders one after the other and now they are both back to one-hundred percent (thanks, tai chi!). I just have to ease my way back into it.

    @Amir Khalid: That’s what I mean, though. You didn’t engage and let her make an ass of herself all on her own. Admirable self-discipline, especially when she questioned your faith. What time is it there?

  137. 137.

    Yutsano

    @Amir Khalid:

    Ich bin da

    I am there? :)

    Vergiss mich, aber ich kann etwas Deutsch scprechen. Ich kann dich hilfen ob du bist kennlernen. It’s a touch rusty though.

    @asiangrrlMN: I’m about for a few, although I hit the wall a little while ago. I gots nuffin going on tomorrow, so I have no issue with staying up a bit longer.

  140. 140.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @asiangrrlMN: Ha, it actually was my handle at FDL for years. You may know that Raven was our dearly departed cocker that we lost about 4 years ago. I like it when the All Stars are up when I awake!

    eta, Have you seen the BBC’s Bleak House? I picked it up on a whim and we loved it.

  145. 145.

    Amir Khalid

    @Yutsano:
    “Ich bin da” can also mean “Here I am”. (Or maybe I should have said “Da bin ich”.) Ich kann meinesteils nur ein bisschen deutsch. Vielleicht könnten wir miteinander unsere Deutschesprache üben?

    @asiangrrlMN:
    It’s 17:50 as I write this — 12 hours ahead with the time stamps on the posts when daylight saving time is in effect over there, 13 hours when it’s not.

  147. 147.

    Yutsano

    @Amir Khalid: I shall ponder this. In the meantime I need some rest. Gute Nacht mein Freund.

    @asiangrrlMN: The boots, they shall indeed be knocked.

    And I’m off, but you gots peeps so I’m cool with that.

  150. 150.

    Raven (formerly stuckinred)

    @Amir Khalid: I almost went to Kuala Lumpur for R&R but got switched to Sydney at the last minute. Froze my ass off in August!

  151. 151.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid: well….i do not see how you can be a muslim. Do malaysian muslims not say the shahada? Do malaysian muslims not believe the uncreated, revealed Quran is the Word of Allah?

    perhaps you just need to explain how you can be a muslim?
    some different type of muslim? a maftoon perhaps?

    The Sunni declaration reads:
    لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh) (in Arabic)
    There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God. (in English)
    In the tradition of the Shia Muslims, there is the addition of “وعليٌ وليُّ الله”, wa ʿAli-yyun wali-yyu-llāh [“and Ali is the wali (viceregent) of God”].

    lawl, that wikipedia. my shayyk translates wali as “friend of god”.
    are you a friend of god, Amir?
    i think you value your friendship with this judeoxian old people whitebread commetariat over your friendship with the Real.

  152. 152.

    Samara Morgan

    you see…..Islam is different than xianity. all one needs do to be a xian is profess belief in the Christ, ie the son of god, the jesus godhead.
    that is why there can be xians that joke about forclosure, handle snakes, pray away the gay, or read the prosperity gospel and white political nativism into the teachings of Issa. All still xians.

    I do not see how one can be a muslim and deny the first pillar. Muhammed is the messenger of God. The Noble Quran is Allah’s Word.
    Shariah is the message of the Generous Quran made into law.

    So i do not think you are a muslim Amir.
    But perhaps you can explain it to me.

  155. 155.

    Yutsano

    @Amir Khalid: It just cannot occur to the child that there just might be POSSIBLY other ways to express Islam. I also love how she’s going against another basic tenet of Islam by declaring you cannot be a Muslim. That is between you and Allah and none of her fucking business.

  156. 156.

    Samara Morgan

    @Yutsano:

    by declaring you cannot be a Muslim

    No, i do not UNDERSTAND how Amir can be muslim. he apparently denies the first pillar.
    it is like how the rest of you do not understand how tim carney is a christian/catholic when he does not follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

    other ways to express Islam

    the shahada is the first pillar.

    @Amir Khalid:how am i misunderstanding? you said you interpret shariah in your own way, and you do not think shariah forbids the proselytization of the poor and ignorant. How is that done?
    Where is the misunderstanding?
    isnt that what you said?

  157. 157.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid: is this what you said?

    I see no reason why freedom of speech should be incompatible with Shariah law.

    freedom of speech legalizes proselytization, shariah law forbids proselytization.
    this is an obvious tautology.
    the injunction against proselytization is in the Quran, and the Quran comes to us by the Prophet.
    is this not a reason?

  158. 158.

    Samara Morgan

    i dont relly care what anyones faith is.
    but Amir is deluding you people when he says freedom of speech is compatible with shariah.
    you think because he calls himself a muslim, that this is true.
    it is not.

    in Malaysia, there are two sets of laws. one for muslims, that is shariah, and one for everyone else, secular law.
    that is because malaysia was an occidental colony, its a cultural hangover.
    perhaps that is why Amir is confused.

    But we were actually talking about Iraq and AfPak, countries that are 97% to 99% muslim, not malaysia.

  159. 159.

    Samara Morgan

    and if you recall, Brother Amir, the reason OIF and OEF, the Bush Doctrine and COIN failed so dramatically, is that it is impossible to install/implant/standup/impose missionary democracy with freedom of speech in majority muslim nations.
    Because shariah and freedom of speech are incompatible.

  160. 160.

    Samara Morgan

    For those of you that do not know, Malaysia is only 60% muslim.

    The Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (Malay: Parti Islam Se-Malaysia) (Jawi: ڤرتي اسلام س-مليسيا) commonly known as PAS or Pas, is an Islamist political party in Malaysia and is currently headed by Dato’ Seri Abdul Hadi Awang. PAS positions itself as a political party that aims to establish Malaysia as a country based on Islamic legal theory derived from the primary sources of Islam, the Quran, Sunnah as well as Hadiths, as opposed to Barisan Nasional’s Islam Hadhari, which PAS sees as based on a watered-down understanding of Islam.[1]
    The party enjoys strong support from the northern rural and conservative states such as Kelantan and Terengganu. It is also the first opposition party in independent Malaysia’s history to defeat the Barisan Nasional coalition in a Malay dominated state. PAS, together with Parti Keadilan Rakyat (known as PKR), and Democratic Action Party (known as DAP) formed part of a coalition called Pakatan Rakyat following the 2008 election. Together, Pakatan Rakyat now controls four states in Malaysia which are Kelantan, Kedah, Selangor and Penang.

    Amir, do you follow Islam Hadhari perhaps? that is a watered down version of Islam and not relevant to the Epic Fail of America missionary democracy in Iraq and A-stan, since it is only practiced in Malaysia.

  161. 161.

    Samara Morgan

    and you know what else?
    the only thing the juicers are really interested in is scolding me. like y’all would rather scold me than wunner if freddie used his front page privs to slur me as a “gay girl in damascus” or stalk my IP.
    none of you are interested in the mechanism, in truth or science, or in anything that conflicts with your world view.

  162. 162.

    Yutsano

    @Samara Morgan:

    none of you are interested in the mechanism, in truth or science, or in anything that conflicts with your world view.

    The pot just labeled the kettle. I should bookmark this juicy nugget.

  163. 163.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Samara Morgan:

    No.

    That’s not the reason.

    Those policies would have failed anywhere in the world, because they were not reality based in any way. They ignored fundamental military occupation doctrine, and furthermore embraced moronic non-reality based ideological cant. The fact that it happened to happen in a majority-Muslim country is only marginally germane to the utter idiocy of the policies themselves.

    GEN Shinseki predicted the outcome we got, simply on the basis of the proper troop to population ratio for an occupation. The debacle was further exacerbated by not bothering to take into account religious differences between Muslims, and furthermore the positively brilliant “de-Baathifactaion” policy which gave a large number of people with military training no where else to go, without any regard to whatever religious group they were members of.

  164. 164.

    Samara Morgan

    @Villago Delenda Est: bulshytt.
    the Bush Doctrine and COIN (the BD cut down to village size) were founded on democracy promotion….the idea of spreading democracy to stamp out islamic terrorism. Because of that dumbass Rummel and that fucking WEC retard Bush and “peaceful democracy theory”.
    But when muslims are democratically empowered to vote, they vote for more Islam, not less, and NEVER for missionary democracy with freedom of speech.
    Its against their religion. :)
    So COIN and the BD just made more islamic government, and never “liberal” democracies.

    GEN Shinseki predicted the outcome we got

    wallah…the General predicted America would spend 4.4 trillion taxpayer dollars for nothing and get kicked out of Iraq?
    link please.

  165. 165.

    Samara Morgan

    @Yutsano: that is a defense often used by conservatives and first culture intellectuals.
    i call it the Pee Wee Herman defense–

    i know you are but what am i

  167. 167.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Samara Morgan:

    You are as stupid as the Bushies, actually believing their nonsensical propaganda. There was NEVER any intent to plant anything resembling representative democracy in the traditional western sense. A client state that was favorable to western corporate interests, not the actual needs or desires of the native population was intended to be imposed. The miscalculation of the client state plan was the abject ignorance of Iraqi demographics and religious groups. These idiots actually didn’t understand the differences, and antagonism, between Shiite and Sunni Muslims. Then of course they unemployed the entire Iraqi army, creating a huge base of instant insurgents.

    There was no attempt or intent to impose Christianity or western democracy in Iraq, no matter what these assholes claimed they were attempting to do. It was all about putting in a suitable puppet regime to allow western (specifically American) corporate interests to have a free rein in exploiting Iraq’s resources, and furthermore, to create the illusion of building infrastructure in order to plunder the US Treasury to benefit Bush Crime Family cronies.

    When that deserting coward talks of “democracy”, he’s being as much of a liar as the Soviet puppets of the “German Democratic Republic” were.

    You’re demonstrating the same naive stupidity as wingnuts who think “National Soshulism” had something to do with Marx and Engles. Bush says “democracy” but, in the classic sense of The Princess Bride it does not mean what he thinks it means.

  168. 168.

    Amir Khalid

    @Samara Morgan:
    It’s clear that you don’t understand Malaysian politics at all. The overwhelming majority of Muslims in Malaysia are Sunni. UMNO’s Islam Hadhari isn’t a sect of Islam distinct from PAS’s; it’s their marketing term for their approach to implementing Islamic principles, as opposed to PAS’s more fundamentalist approach.

    UMNO is the party of the old-school ruling elite. It draws its membership from ethnic Malays like me. Its Barisan Nasional coalition partners are mostly other ethnic parties. (I myself am not a member of any political party.) PAS draws its membership from all Muslim Malaysians — regardless, in theory, of race. PAS’s coalition partners are secular and non-ethnic parties. There is often friction between PAS and its Pakatan partners, who frequently see a need to protect non-Muslim rights against PAS’s fundamentalist zeal in state government.

  169. 169.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid: i do not care about Malaysian politics. The topic we are discussing is whether shariah is compatible with freedom of speech. I argued that it is not, because the injunction against proselytization is in the Quran, and that if you practice Mayalsian Islam Hadhari that is irrelevent outside of Malaysia, and certainly irrelevent in Iraq and A-stan.

    @Villago Delenda Est: so what was the mission?
    Conventional wisdom was that it was an attempt at nation-building.
    The miscalculation of the client state plan was the abject ignorance of Iraqi demographics and religious groups.
    Nope, the miscalculation was that Islam is an EGT uninvadable strategy.
    Because when muslims are DEMOCRATICALLY empowered to vote, they vote for more Islam, not less, and never for missionary democracy with freedom of speech.
    Like Dr. Moosa says,
    “Just as every policymaker needs to know the ABCs of diplomacy, they need to understand the ABCs of culture. And a deep knowledge of the culture is the knowledge of religion. Lacking that, there can be all kinds of faux pas. Important military divisions and wings of our government [have shown] that there is a tremendous knowledge deficit.”

  171. 171.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid:

    UMNO’s Islam Hadhari isn’t a sect of Islam distinct from PAS’s; it’s their marketing term for their approach to implementing Islamic principles

    yeah, Islam-lite. that is whaat i understand.
    so in that version of Islam freedom of speech is compatible with shariah?

  172. 172.

    Samara Morgan

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    You are as stupid as the Bushies

    no im not. i understand perfectly well that Islam is an EGT uninvadable strategy, and that “democracy promotion” in MENA just results in more Islam, because of the consent of the governed.
    When muslims are democratically empowered to vote, they vote for more Islam, not less, and never for missionary democracy with freedom of speech.
    Because freedom of speech is incompatible with shariah law.
    This is empirically true.
    10 years and 4.4 trillion American dollars later, Iraq is still 97% muslim, and A-stan is still 99% muslim.
    America tried to do what worked in Japan– genocide, invasion, occupation, and installing westernstyle democracy (reconstruction).
    Epic fail. Iraq is planting a boot in America’s ass in december, and we dont even get to keep enough troops there to guard the billion dollar embassy complex.
    In A-stan, if the Arab Spring rolls into AfPak before we can GTFO we’ll be leaving in helos from Kabul rooftops.
    And anyway we leave, the Talibs are going to put Karzai’s head on a pike the minnit we roll out.

  174. 174.

    Samara Morgan

    i’ll try recommenting, because i think this comment from Dr. Moosa is important.
    @Villago Delenda Est: so what was the mission?
    Conventional wisdom was that it was an attempt at nation-building.

    The miscalculation of the client state plan was the abject ignorance of Iraqi demographics and religious groups.

    Nope, the miscalculation was that Islam is an EGT uninvadable strategy.
    Because when muslims are DEMOCRATICALLY empowered to vote, they vote for more Islam, not less, and never for missionary democracy with freedom of speech.
    Like Dr. Moosa says,

    “Just as every policymaker needs to know the ABCs of diplomacy, they need to understand the ABCs of culture. And a deep knowledge of the culture is the knowledge of religion. Lacking that, there can be all kinds of faux pas. Important military divisions and wings of our government [have shown] that there is a tremendous knowledge deficit.”

  175. 175.

    Samara Morgan

    other part from moderation.
    @Amir Khalid: i do not care about Malaysian politics. The topic we are discussing is whether shariah is compatible with freedom of speech. I argued that it is not, because the injunction against proselytization is in the Quran, and that if you practice Mayalsian Islam Hadhari that is irrelevent outside of Malaysia, and certainly irrelevent in Iraq and A-stan.

  177. 177.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid: but i dont.

    im talking about Islam, and whether or not shariah law is incompatible with free speech.
    you keep trying to change the subject.

  178. 178.

    Samara Morgan

    @Amir Khalid: if you have some special version of malaysian Islam where free speech is compatible with shariah, then i’d be very interested in that.
    local politics, not so much.

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