Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

Come on, man.

This really is a full service blog.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

Battle won, war still ongoing.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

You cannot shame the shameless.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

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They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

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According to NBC News correspondent Mara Schiavocampo, George Zimmerman has launched a new website:

    Zimmerman’s attorneys have confirmed the site is operated & authorized by him RT @thinkprogress:@maracamp How do you know this is authentic? 9 Apr 12

On the website — therealgeorgezimmerman.com — Zimmerman solicits donations to support his “living expenses and legal defense.” He writes: “I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received.”

He also features a photo of a vandalized black cultural center at Ohio State University.

Might as well get in on the wingnut welfare gravy train, this time with the broad appeal to the Stormfront crowd. Although you will be pleased to know that Stormfront and Neo-Nazis are “civil rights groups” according to Fox.

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  2. 2.

    Lolis

    I was surprised the NRA didn’t find him the best defense attorney in the country and foot the bill.

  3. 3.

    TBogg

    Quite disappointed that he didn’t link approvingly to the Derb’s Fucking Black People, Why Won’t They Work?

  10. 10.

    General Stuck

    Just read about that at CBS, and looks like it has already crashed. In other news the new special prosecutor has cancelled the scheduled Grand Jury convening, and will herself make the decision to bring charges against Zimmerman.

    Don’t know what that forebodes, but I suspect it was done to keep the investigation off the public record, and she won’t second guessed if deciding to not bring charges.

    A Florida special prosecutor will not bring the Trayvon Martin shooting before a grand jury, her office announced today.

    The grand jury is scheduled to be convened April 10, but will not hear evidence about the shooting of the unarmed black teenager by George Zimmerman, a white Hispanic neighborhood watch captain.

    Maybe the feds will form one, where there has been any number of factoids that the local authorities have been trying to sweep this under the carpet from the beginning/

  11. 11.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    He also features a photo of a vandalized black cultural center at Ohio State University.

    What a smart and classy team he has. I wonder if Joe Oliver suggested that.

    I’m still grappling with the reports that he has never met his attorneys (who have apparently met Matt Lauer and I’m sure some Fox folk). IANAL but that just seems weird.

  12. 12.

    Jon

    The next totebagger to scoff at me about how many black people believe OJ was innocent…

  13. 13.

    Arm The Homeless

    @Keith:

    “Foxnews Law Enforcement Contributor George Zimmerman” has a nice ring to it

    Fix’t for accuracy and inevitability

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    Living expenses, huh? At least he’s upfront and honest about what the money will be going towards.

  17. 17.

    Cowbelle

    That site is so bad that I didn’t actually believe it was real when I first saw it.

  18. 18.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    I hope he rakes in the big bucks, all its going to do is end up being paid to the Martin family when they tear the bark off his ass. Speaking of ass he may end up peddling his to pay off the money for the lawsuit. I wish him a long life and long suffering.

  20. 20.

    Southern Beale

    Can’t pass up a good grift. Now, how long before he runs for office? C’mon, you know that’s gotta be the next step (as long as he avoids prison, of course …)

  21. 21.

    Schlemizel

    I wonder if they explain this when you take carry training in Floristan. Its all well and good to shoot the shit out of some kid after you picked a fight with him, but afterwards the bill comes due. In this case the cops f’ed up and left the opening for the national media to make Zs life unlivable. Bet the smart ass never expected that. But even if they hadn’t and,lets pretend here, he escapes criminal justice, the family can still file suite & he spends the next 10 years and many thousands of dollars preparing to defend himself in court. The fat he appears to have lost from his belly is stuck between his ears, even when the GOP legalizes handgun homicide it isn’t free.

    I’ll mark my calendar so as to set aside some time to feel sorry for the prick, I might have 10 minutes available around September 2018 for that.

  22. 22.

    Calming Influence

    “…in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment.”

    He hasn’t been arrested; he’s free to go anywhere and do anything he wants. Forced inability to maintain employment happens when somebody shoots you dead. Otherwise, go to fucking work, asshole.

  23. 23.

    burnspbesq

    If Zimmerman rakes in a pile of dough from this, that would make him a flight risk who could and should be denied bail when he is finally taken into custody.

    See, there’s a bright side to everything.

  24. 24.

    The Dangerman

    …my forced inability to maintain employment.

    Well, boo fucking hoo. Shooting an unarmed kid has consequences; whodda known?

  25. 25.

    MikeJ

    @Jon: I don’t know if he was innocent, but I don’t believe the prosecution proved OJ was guilty.

  27. 27.

    Loneoak

    @dmsilev:

    Living expenses, huh? At least he’s upfront and honest about what the money will be going towards.

    Since he’s going full metal wingnut, we can reasonably guess that his line items for Cheetos and Lubriderm are significant.

  29. 29.

    AA+ Bonds

    Im still just reeling and waiting for the Anon to drop and somehow they stole his lawyers’ cell phone or something

  30. 30.

    cbear

    Might as well get in on the wingnut welfare gravy train, this time with the broad appeal to the Stormfront crowd

    Typical fucking gooper. The only thing missing is a violated young boy, or a traumatized horse.

  32. 32.

    Citizen_X

    Stormfront and Neo-Nazis are “civil rights groups” according to Fox.

    Just read about that/saw the video here. Never identified them as Nazis, or showed the swastikas clearly on the website shots they showed, either. They just called them “National Socialists.”

    Sorry, but most Fox viewers ain’t gonna make the connection.

  33. 33.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    Ya know posting a photograph of a vandalized black community out reach center might not be the best thing to do when you are begging for money after shooting down a perfectly innocent black kid. Just sayin.

  35. 35.

    AA+ Bonds

    One photo is of an implied physical threat and the other is of a sign held by Pastor Terry Jones’s minions

    I guarantee his lawyers are taking turns throwing up in between answering phone calls

  37. 37.

    cathyx

    Speaking of no shame in soliciting donations, I came home one day and there was a notice tacked on my door asking for cans and bottle donations for a girlscout troop wanting to take a trip to Europe, and they would be by over the weekend to collect. If I had thought it was that easy to get someone else to pay for my vacation, I’d have done that long ago.

  38. 38.

    shortstop

    He CAN’T work because of all those fictional menacing black people threatening him. Can’t you see he’s the real victim here? All he wanted to do was courageously serve his subdivision, and instead of a hero’s welcome, he gets flak from the 73 percent of Americans who think he should be arrested–all of whom are black, according to the Zimmerman family.

  39. 39.

    AA+ Bonds

    I guess we always knew that this little prick was waiting all his life to shoot a black person and start a Chuck Manson race war or whatever, all the stuff where he became unsanctioned CW because no one else was at all interested

  40. 40.

    Roger Moore

    @Jon:
    I’ll say that the whole LAPD frame job seems a lot more plausible in light of the Rampart scandal. Not that I think it was true, but I can understand somebody who had on-the-ground knowledge that LAPD was framing black people might be a lot more likely to buy it.

  42. 42.

    pluege

    if zimmerman comes out of this with a bunch of cash its going to be real trouble – wingnuts killing blacks for profit…WOW! How far this society has devolved to republican/conservative Dystopia.

  43. 43.

    Roger Moore

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    Ya know posting a photograph of a vandalized black community out reach center might not be the best thing to do when you are begging for money after shooting down a perfectly innocent black kid.

    Unless you think violent racists are the group most likely to give you money. Seems like a reasonable assumption to me.

  44. 44.

    deepbluehue

    You can be sure that he’ll use that money to buy himself some new bullets. You know, you don’t want to be empty-handed when you’re patrolling your neighborhood for unwanted brown people in hoodies.

  45. 45.

    shortstop

    @Roger Moore: The evidence suggested that Fuhrman framed Simpson AND Simpson was guilty. Watching that case morph into a mutually exclusive A or B scenario depending on the observer’s race was horrifying.

  46. 46.

    AA+ Bonds

    At this point if he is not charged tried and convicted there will be huge fuckin riots

  48. 48.

    Marcellus Shale, Public Dick

    freedom of expression is a motherfucker sometimes.

    wait until the pivot onto sopa/pipa2 the carrot being that zimmerman could be denied service, the stick being that liberals are evildoes who want to censor real americans.

    someone will manufacture it as a reason to accept sopa/pipa2, its inevitable as zimmerman being the next joe the block captain.

  49. 49.

    gex

    I wonder what historians will think of the era where Republicans basically make a man rich because he murdered a black man and then started a web site.

    I assume, of course, they would find evidence of this under the rubble that is/was civilization.

  53. 53.

    AA+ Bonds

    And yes, huge fuckin riots which appear very possible would also fuck around with the election

  55. 55.

    AA+ Bonds

    The trick to living in America is to think every day about who was running your nation’s government in 1450 or whatever and then that answer for a bunch of other countries you can think of

  56. 56.

    Clime Acts

    Not one of you here, including Cole, has any idea what transpired that night on the street.

    God forbid you’d wait to find out. Doing so would harsh your poutrage.

    Cole, you’re better than this.

    Oh, and speaking of grifting…I guess you all already know Trayvon’s Mom has trademarked slogans containing his name.

    hmmm…

  57. 57.

    Jon H

    The only way this makes any sense at all is if it’s an intentional effort to stoke racial tensions in order to argue that he couldn’t get a fair trial due to jurors being biased.

  59. 59.

    AA+ Bonds

    I know what happens when you don’t send brownshirts off to die on some rock before they get swagger

  62. 62.

    WyldPirate

    @bk:
    Watch the video, dumbfuck. Better yet, watch this one. Then think about why it’s not a bad idea to avoid bad neighborhoods or groups of people acting like a pack of fools.

  63. 63.

    AA+ Bonds

    If we’d sent Zimmerman off to Afghanistan all we’d be worried about is a hundred thou or so to pay off the right families in Panjwai

    Now urban riots seem pretty much inevitable

  64. 64.

    TheMightyTrowel

    Goodness me. Glad it’s lunchtime because this thread (and all its pie!) is making me hungry!

  66. 66.

    AA+ Bonds

    Black Americans are suffering just as bad as you & I. Don’t hate blacks because of the behavior of the ones you work with; hate the marxist bastards that stole their ambition and killed their pride and created the problems we see today. Once upon a time there was a father in the black household, until the marxists bribed the mother with welfare and subsistence checks. Hate the marxists who seek to destroy America, and who experimented on blacks in a practice run.

  68. 68.

    Bruce S

    @cathyx:

    Fucking Girls Scouts have been trying to kill me for years with their goddam cookies. And make ME pay for my demise! That they had the temerity to ask for donations of empty cans and bottles to fund a European tour for a bunch of teen ingrates disgusts me to no end. Europe, no less. Like DisneyWorld isn’t good enough for them? NO, they want to take $$$ and convert them to Euros to support that socialist hellhole known as the EU. Or as I put it, EeeeeYeeeeoooow! Damn, I had no idea a European vacation awaited me if I just went around collecting cans and bottles like these common grifters. Shouldn’t they at least go mano-a-mano with the homeless people to rob our recycling bins at 5am before the garbage trucks roll by? Oh Noooooooh! – they’re the GIRL Scouts! Making an appointment! By Leaflet – which is kind of Communistic if you ask me. When will these horrors stop?

  70. 70.

    AA+ Bonds

    Anyone who comes on this site and then filters the comments can’t take the heat and sucks

  71. 71.

    AA+ Bonds

    Balloon Juice: Hate the marxists who seek to destroy America, and who experimented on blacks in a practice run.

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    Charles Johnson’s accompanying tweet made me laugh out loud:

    When encountering Nazis the proper response is “Fuck off, white power loser” – not “allow me to read your press release on TV, sir”

  73. 73.

    Chris

    Although you will be pleased to know that Stormfront and Neo-Nazis are “civil rights groups” according to Fox.

    I suspect it’s bait.

    1) Liberals raise a stink about how neo-Nazis aren’t civil rights groups, they’re white supremacists…

    2) Conservatives apologize, agree and promise to chastise the idiot who made the mistake…

    3) Then they start on a roll of “but, but, but, what about BLACK supremacists! What about the Black Panthers and La Raza and CAIR and all those racist groups? What about the NAACP, which only ‘advances’ ‘COLORED’ people? Those are all supremacists too, looking out for the interests of THEIR race, and liberals don’t raise a stink about them, they love them! WAAAAAAAAHHHH! Poor white man can’t get a fair shake anymore!”

  75. 75.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @SteveM: I hate to speculate irresponsibly, but I don’t think twenty-eight year olds who use the word ‘c–ns’ in 2012 didn’t pick that up on the playground.

  76. 76.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    Not one of you here, including Cole, has any idea what transpired that night on the street.

    And 12-year-old boys love being fucked up the ass by 60-year-old men.

    I think we’ve heard this song before from you.

  77. 77.

    AA+ Bonds

    White dudes learn “coon” as a racial slur by hanging out with other white dudes for more than a couple hours at a time

  78. 78.

    amk

    More money given by the rwnj’s to this murderer, less they have to give to the campaigns. So, go zimmerman killerman.

  81. 81.

    Mnemosyne

    @WyldPirate:

    So black criminals beating and robbing a white guy completely justifies a white guy shooting a random black teenager dead in the street.

    Gotcha.

  82. 82.

    burnspbesq

    @AA+ Bonds:

    Nineteen of the first 71 comments are yours, and not a single one says anything worth paying attention to.

    Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

  88. 88.

    AA+ Bonds

    burns I fully understand that you are not equipped to think in a global or historical way but instead to run the numbers on how you would have gotten a child murderer off without a reduction in rank

  89. 89.

    burnspbesq

    @Mnemosyne:

    Which part of Clime’s statement is incorrect?

    Having an opinion based on fragmentary information is not the same as knowing.

  90. 90.

    shortstop

    @Mnemosyne: Or is it that Trayvon should have known he was walking around a “bad neighborhood” and thus not acted on his Skittle craving? I confess, it’s getting harder to follow the meandering trail of WyldBedfordForrestPirate’s unfocused fury.

  91. 91.

    burnspbesq

    @AA+ Bonds:

    I hope the next celebrity that comes to your kid’s PTA meeting is really fat and falls on you

    Is that the best you can do?

  92. 92.

    Cacti

    @WyldPirate:

    Watch the video, dumbfuck. Better yet, watch this one. Then think about why it’s not a bad idea to avoid bad neighborhoods or groups of people acting like a pack of fools.

    Was it your turn to light the cross this evening WyldBedfordForrest?

  93. 93.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    And 12-year-old boys love being fucked up the ass by 60-year-old men.

    Some do, yes, it’s true. But no one knows for sure how old Mr. S’s shower mate was because that person has not even been identified…the prosecutors themselves don’t know who that alleged young person was.

    Do you just really despise facts? Is that it?

    And you STILL have no idea what happened on the street that night. So why not wait to find out?

  97. 97.

    Mnemosyne

    @burnspbesq:

    Do you really want to take the side of the guy who said that we were unfairly maligning Jerry Sandusky because maybe the 10-year-olds he was having sex with consented?

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    Sorry for the double post, but I can’t delete the first one, and this one is more precise in what I was trying to say —

    @burnspbesq:

    Do you really want to take the side of the guy who said that we were unfairly rushing to judgment in the Jerry Sandusky case because maybe the 10-year-olds he was having sex with consented?

  99. 99.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    @burnspbesq: The part where none of us know what happened that night? I for one know a self-proclaimed community watchman followed, then at some point shot and killed, an unarmed kid who had no history of violence. How we got from point A to point B I’m still sketchy on the details, but the evidence I’ve seen so far hasn’t been favorable to a self-defense claim.

  100. 100.

    different-church-lady

    Y’all seem to be losing the thread: the problem ain’t that the guy’s an asshole vigilante and very likely a murderer. The problem is that the cops are letting him get away with it. Don’t let it devolve into personality politics — a martyr is just what the nutbags want.

  101. 101.

    5x5

    @Lolis: FWIW: With all the wingnut welfare out there, why doesn’t he have better support? Republican grifting should be getting him something. He’s got Stormfront and NeoNazis.

    Their entire argument is that this is not racial.

    Riddle me this: the right is saying this isn’t racial. The conversations I’m hearing from middle-class white people is about gun control. Could this back-fire on the NRA? The Right cannot let this be racial, but it’s not coming out as a random shooting.

  102. 102.

    cathyx

    @Bruce S: I have no problem donating to organizations to support the continuation of that organization. School sports teams and bands asking for a donation to buy uniforms. Or even supporting trips for those organizations to compete. But I am not going to donate for the Girlscout troup to go to Europe so they can visit Paris and see the Eiffel Tower. That’s beyond the pale.

  103. 103.

    different-church-lady

    Y’all seem to be losing the thread: the problem ain’t that the guy’s an asshole vigilante and very likely a murderer. The problem is that the cops are letting him get away with it. Don’t let it devolve into personality politics — a martyr is just what the nutbags want.

  104. 104.

    cathyx

    @Bruce S: I have no problem donating to organizations to support the continuation of that organization. School sports teams and bands asking for a donation to buy uniforms. Or even supporting trips for those organizations to compete. But I am not going to donate for the Girlscout troup to go to Europe so they can visit Paris and see the Eiffel Tower. That’s beyond the pale.

  106. 106.

    shortstop

    Is there a limit to the number of reflexive contrarians who can be in one thread before the server crashes?

  107. 107.

    Cacti

    @bk:

    And your point is? Other than trying to be an asshole on every thread? Seriously. Let us know

    These threads are always useful as they remind us that 99% of WyldBedfordForrest’s problem with the POTUS is his blackity-blackness.

  111. 111.

    WyldPirate

    @bk:

    My point is that people of all races can be vicious, violent bastards. That type of behavior makes people suspicious of each other. Some unstable fuckers even get paranoid about it, likely, in part, because of behavior like this and other criminal behavior patterns.

    Shit like this and the Zimmerman thing crop up all the time and it is shit like this that stokes the paranoia and fear amongst law-abiding folks of all races just as the seemingly preferential treatment of Zimmerman and oftentimes (but by no means always) unequal treatment of minorities by law enforcement (and shitty investigation like that by the Sanford PD) stokes fear and resentment in minorities.

    You touchy-feel fuckers get your rage on though and keep

  112. 112.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    But no one knows for sure how old Mr. S’s shower mate was because that person has not even been identified…the prosecutors themselves don’t know who that alleged young person was.

    Oh, looky, a whole new claim! Sure, all of the other victims who have come forward were underage, but maybe that specific one just happened to be a really young-looking 18-year-old! You never know! Anything can happen!

    By the way, have you figured out your alternate theory for what Seal Team 6 was doing in Pakistan the night bin Laden was killed, or are you sticking with your “nobody really knows what happened” schtick with that one, too?

  113. 113.

    Cacti

    @amk:

    so wyldy is a rwnj racist mofo posing as a firebagger troll here ? good to know

    He first let the cat out of the bag on one of Dennis G’s threads about Confederate America.

    When Nathan Bedford Forrest was being criticized, Wyldie just couldn’t hide his white sheets anymore.

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    @shortstop:

    Given the slowness of the comments and the accidental duplicates that can’t be erased, we may be approaching a contrarian singularity.

  116. 116.

    different-church-lady

    @WyldPirate: I think the question might then be, “How is that point relevant to this thread?”

    Oh, to hell with it: it has been repeatedly pointed out how this case differs from other murders, but you really just don’t want to hear it, so I don’t expect you to start now.

  119. 119.

    Clime Acts

    @Steve:

    “Man, WyldPirate and Clime Acts are really showing their colors in this thread. Wow.”

    Steve, do you have a problem with waiting for FACTS, as best they can be ascertained, before making assumptions about something you weren’t there to witness?

    Does that seem unreasonable to you?

  120. 120.

    gwangung

    My point is that people of all races can be vicious, violent bastards.

    That’s what you think it is. That’s not what you’re arguing.

  122. 122.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    Do you really want to take the side of the guy who said that we were unfairly maligning Jerry Sandusky because maybe the 10-year-olds he was having sex with consented?

    Neither you, nor the prosecutors, know who the alleged youngster was, nor how old. Facts are hard things…

  124. 124.

    mainmati

    @General Stuck: There are two possibilities: either the DA decided that a Grand Jury drawn from locals would be a Cracker lynch mob and so hugely not credible in this national case or that she is seriously trying to build a case for where “Stand Your Ground” is not legitimately applicable in this case.

    If she succeeds in the latter, the NRA will arrange for a suitable reprisal against her, I would suspect. They are, after all, an openly criminal organization after pressuring Congress to disallow background checks on terrorist watch people.

  125. 125.

    fasteddie9318

    Next up on Slate-Juice.com: How do you know there weren’t any WMD in Iraq? Can you prove that there weren’t any? All you know is that we haven’t found any yet.

  126. 126.

    different-church-lady

    @Clime Acts:

    Neither you, nor the prosecutors, know who the alleged youngster was…

    The car had landed her in court on one occasion when one of its front wheels had sailed off on a little expedition of its own and nearly caused an accident. The police witness in court had referred to her beloved Citroën as “the alleged car” and the name had subsequently stuck. She was particularly fond of the alleged car for many reasons.

  127. 127.

    Steve

    @Clime Acts: I have a problem with you calling Trayvon Martin’s mom a grifter. That’s reminiscent of what Ann Coulter said about the 9/11 widows. And in my experience, there is only one sort of person out there taking shots at the dead kid’s mom.

  128. 128.

    Heliopause

    George Zimmerman has launched a new website:

    This whole thread strikes me as odd. Setting up his own website might be the most honest day’s work that George Zimmerman ever did in his life. Fuck, write an app that changes color photos into black-and-white and suddenly you’re a billionaire. What a country.

  129. 129.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s weird how you KNOW all kinds of things that no one outside a very limited group can possibly know.

    Do you have the shining?

    Or are you just the mirror image of tribal idiots on the far right?

    I think you’re mainly just afraid. That the facts won’t bear out all your preconceptions, so if you shout them out loud enough FIRST maybe no one will notice later.

    BTW, it’s quite possible the prosecution will drop the Sandusky case. THERE IS A LACK OF EVIDENCE.

    You know? Evidence? That thing that the constitution requires be presented in trials. Oh, and another thing you don’t like: presumption of innocence.

    god, you’re a tool

  130. 130.

    jnc

    Gosh, why in the world would Zimmerman need to try to present his side of the story? All of the facts have been plainly presented on Balloon Juice and elsewhere as follows:

    Zimmerman is a middle-aged white guy with a history of attacking police officers. In the 18 months before the accident, Zimmerman had called 911 48 times. Zimmerman was out driving around as a self-appointed neighborhood watch patrol, without any sanction or training from the local police. After he called 911, the 911 police officer EXPLICITLY told him not to follow Martin. Yet he still got out and chased him. Zimmerman was a big guy, with more than “a hundred pounds of muscle” advantage over Martin. Zimmerman attached him for no reason and was beating Martin. A neighbor called 911 after she heard a shot fired. On the tape you can hear Martin yelling for help and then Zimmerman fired another shot. After Zimmerman was arrested, the police video clearly shows that he did not have injuries. After the shooting, the police did not conduct any investigation, did not attempt to interview the girl Martin was talking to on the phone, and did not have Zimmerman reenact what happened. A witness whose account helps Zimmerman did not come forward until a month after the shooting.

    The only problem is that all of those statements are incorrect.

    But we all knew enough about this to make up our minds, right?

  131. 131.

    Xj27b/6

    Have the apologists ever given a motive for why Trayvon supposedly attacked Zimmerman? I mean other than implying it was just his genetic & cultural predisposition toward wanton violence?

    I’ve heard sane people supply them with the obvious “self – defense from a stalker” angle, but that just doesn’t fit unless you can presume some innocence on Trayvon’s side.

    If the motive was to kill a stranger in anger, or perhaps just beat him up & take his stuff, why not hit Zimmerman with the ice tea bottle? Or a rock? It’s far more effective to make your street fight a one hit affair. Any thug knows that.

  132. 132.

    Scamp Dog

    @dmsilev: I can’t beat up Zimmerman too hard for setting up the donation site, because he really doesn’t have a lot of options right now. To be sure, he put himself in this spot, but that doesn’t make the spot any easier to deal with.

    None of this should imply that he shouldn’t be held to account under the law: if you’re going to go into a situation with a gun, you have to be ready to deal with the consequences. Conservatives talk about that all the time, right? Take responsibility!

    @pluege, @gex: Let’s not worry about this until we actually hear about him getting rich. I’m kind of skeptical, myself.

  133. 133.

    ChrisNYC

    @Steve: It’s also just a nasty false smear. That family got the trademarks to stop other people from using their son’s death son to make money or advance agendas, which was already happening, e.g. “Trayvon” hoodies. They are not making money themselves. Mr. “I wait until all the facts are in” seems to have jumped to a conclusion. For some reason.

  134. 134.

    MikeBoyScout

    It’s been said before, but this definitely calls for it again.

    AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

  135. 135.

    Clime Acts

    @Steve:

    Fuck off. I certainly did not call Trayvon’s mother a grifter. I quoted widely reported facts relevant to the discussion in this thread about the alleged shooter soliciting donations.

    Do YOU think she’s a grifter? That’s quite a charge.

  136. 136.

    Felanius Kootea

    @jnc: I thought Zimmerman was *raising money* for living expenses, etc., not presenting his side of the story. The Sanford police clearly bought his side of the story – he shot Trayvon on February 26. Trayvon was unarmed (there’s no version of the story that magically transforms his skittles and tea into a gun). It’s now April 9 and he has not been arrested. And in light of the fact that he’s not been arrested and there is no legal case against him, and there may not be, given Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, what I’m hearing from you is that it’s okay for him to profit off of killing Trayvon. I’m definitely not going to agree with you about that.

  137. 137.

    WyldPirate

    @different-church-lady:

    Oh bullshit. The big tragedy is that the cops cocked up the investigation likely with the intent to do that so they could let him slide because he had some sort of connection within the PD or legal system.There is a problem with with preferential justice and law enforcement.

    The other tragedy is that there is an epidemic of homicides in the black community. Blacks constitute about 13% of the US population yet they are nearly 1/2 of the nations homicide victims. Homicide is the leading cause of death in black males between 15-34. Why the fuck is this happening?

    But all most of the fuckwits here want to do rage about Zimmerman, brownshirts and other fucking nonsense when the real problem is that we have a fucked up, two-tiered system of justice and a disproportionate level of homicides in the black community; the majority of which they inflict on each other.

  138. 138.

    Clime Acts

    @jnc:

    But we all knew enough about this to make up our minds, right?

    You are being very uncivil and totally harshing the poutrage in John Cole’s “throw red meat to the Zimmerman lynch mob” thread.

  140. 140.

    jnc

    And in light of the fact that he’s not been arrested and there is no legal case against him, and there may not be, given Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, what I’m hearing from you is that it’s okay for him to profit off of killing Trayvon.

    What I am hearing from you is that you just make shit up and attribute it other people.

  141. 141.

    Clime Acts

    @ChrisNYC:

    Mr. “I wait until all the facts are in” seems to have jumped to a conclusion. For some reason.

    Could you quote me where I wrote that Trayvon’s parents were “making money”?

    Thanks. I will wait.

  144. 144.

    Steve

    Clime Acts in comment #56:

    Oh, and speaking of grifting…I guess you all already know Trayvon’s Mom has trademarked slogans containing his name.
    __
    hmmm…

    Clime Acts in comment #135:

    Fuck off. I certainly did not call Trayvon’s mother a grifter.

    Not just a nasty piece of work, but a weasel to boot. Own your words, son.

  145. 145.

    WyldPirate

    @jnc:

    But we all knew enough about this to make up our minds, right?

    Many here at BJ are the mirror image of the wingnuts they claim to abhor. The only difference is that most of them can write in complete sentences.

  146. 146.

    ChrisNYC

    @Clime Acts: Lemme guess. You want to split hairs on your comment above that begins, “Speaking of grifting…” and then goes on to state half truths. Nothing like kicking the mother of dead kid. And then trying to weasel out of it.

  149. 149.

    Clime Acts

    @Steve:

    Oh, I guess I did IMPLY that she MAY BE a grifter. Which of course is not the same as saying she IS a grifter. Point conceded.

    That said, many here are calling Zimmerman a grifter for soliciting funds for his legal defense and living expenses subsequent to the shooting and attendant publicity…while the mother sets herself up to cash in on the other side of things.

    I don’t think either one is out of line in doing what they’re doing. I think it’s bullshit to call one a grifter and not the other, however.

  151. 151.

    Felanius Kootea

    @jnc: Any comments about the evidence of the Sanford PD doing sloppy policework prior to the Trayvon Martin case and during Trayvon’s case or are you just going to pretend that this isn’t a factor in a potential miscarriage of justice? It is clearly stated that the Sanford PD never interviewed Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, which contradicts your bullshit up there:

    The failure of Sanford police to locate and interview the girl was a crucial investigative oversight, according to Gerald S. Reamey, a former police department legal advisor in Texas and law professor and legal scholar specializing in criminal procedure at St. Mary’s University in San Antonio.

    “It really casts doubt on the soundness of the entire investigation when you see something like this,” Reamey said. “They should have had this piece of evidence.”

    Federal agents and the special state prosecution team that took over the investigation have now interviewed the girl, the Martin family’s attorneys said. The police gave the results of their investigation to state attorney Norman Wolfinger, who withdrew from the case last month. The governor appointed another state attorney to take over.

    But keep up the bs and I’ll contradict you with facts every time.

  152. 152.

    Clime Acts

    @ChrisNYC:

    Read my comment above, maroon. But you are correct, I did NOT call her a grifter, as accused. So many of you Bj’ers can’t seem to comprehend complete sentences.

    Oh and could you quote the “half truths” I stated. Are the parents trademarking his name or not? Is saying so then a lie or a half truth?

  154. 154.

    Felanius Kootea

    @Felanius Kootea: Ugh: blockquote fail fro the Huffpo article.

    The failure of Sanford police to locate and interview the girl was a crucial investigative oversight, according to Gerald S. Reamey, a former police department legal advisor in Texas and law professor and legal scholar specializing in criminal procedure at St. Mary’s University in San Antonio.
    __
    “It really casts doubt on the soundness of the entire investigation when you see something like this,” Reamey said. “They should have had this piece of evidence.”
    __
    Federal agents and the special state prosecution team that took over the investigation have now interviewed the girl, the Martin family’s attorneys said. The police gave the results of their investigation to state attorney Norman Wolfinger, who withdrew from the case last month. The governor appointed another state attorney to take over.

  155. 155.

    burnspbesq

    @AA+ Bonds:

    burns I fully understand that you are not equipped to think in a global or historical way but instead to run the numbers on how you would have gotten a child murderer off without a reduction in rank

    Who says the right has a monopoly on projection?

  156. 156.

    shortstop

    @WyldPirate: Wait, your original “point” as you explained it was that people should think twice about going into “bad” neighborhoods. What this has to do with Trayvon Martin remains a mystery. Now you’re making an afterthought denunciation of the racial failings of our justice system, paired, of course, with a labored and totally irrelevant riff on black-on-black violence. Gosh, it’s inexplicable that people keep thinking you’re less than committed to racial justice. They just don’t appreciate your brand of formless resentment always in search of a message.

    Going to bed and won’t see your response till the morning, given that you’re the slowest reader at BJ.

  158. 158.

    burnspbesq

    @Mnemosyne:

    Do you really want to take the side of the guy who said that we were unfairly maligning Jerry Sandusky because maybe the 10-year-olds he was having sex with consented?

    That has nothing to do with anything, except that for reasons known only to yourself you chose to pull it out of some nether region.

    In this instance, he’s right and you’re wrong, and I have no problem whatsoever in pointing that out. When you’re right and he’s wrong, I won’t hesitate to say so. Objectivity is a feature, not a bug.

  159. 159.

    El Cid

    The important thing is that from now on we make sure that kids like Trayvon be armed, trained, and know to Stand Their Ground and shoot first.

    If Trayvon Martin had been armed and ready, maybe Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon’s positive, upward-looking life could have continued while a fairly unproductive nobody would be dead.

  161. 161.

    burnspbesq

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    I for one know a self-proclaimed community watchman followed, then at some point shot and killed, an unarmed kid who had no history of violence.

    No, you don’t know. You surmise based on fragmentary information the reliability of which is entirely up for grabs as of now. There’s a difference.

    The ONLY thing that is certain is that Travon Martin is dead. EVERYTHING else is TBD.

  163. 163.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    BTW, it’s quite possible the prosecution will drop the Sandusky case. THERE IS A LACK OF EVIDENCE.

    Well, let’s see. Of the 10 victims that Sandusky has been charged with molesting, 8 of them have been identified and have spoken to police and prosecutors.

    But if only eight boys testify that Sandusky molested them, that’s A LACK OF EVIDENCE. Because they could all be lying, amirite? I mean, supposed “victims” lie all the time. There’s really no way to ever know what really happened, so the prosecutors have to drop the charges.

    Good thing you weren’t on the jury for the John Wayne Gacy case — after all, there could have been a totally innocent explanation for having 26 bodies buried in his basement and there’s no way we can ever know for sure that he really murdered them.

  164. 164.

    burnspbesq

    @El Cid:

    If Trayvon Martin had been armed and ready, maybe Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon’s positive, upward-looking life could have continued while a fairly unproductive nobody would be dead

    Or maybe not. Maybe Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon would be staring the death penalty in the face. We are talking about Florida, after all.

  165. 165.

    jnc

    Any comments about the evidence of the Sanford PD doing sloppy policework prior to the Trayvon Martin case

    No. I don’t know anything about that. And I don’t particularly care since, in my experience, most police departments usually do sloppy work.

  166. 166.

    Mnemosyne

    @burnspbesq:

    Hey, if you want to ally yourself with a guy who thinks Trayvon Martin had it coming, Jerry Sandusky’s victims really wanted it, and the US government faked the death of Osama bin Laden, be my guest.

  167. 167.

    Clime Acts

    @Lojasmo:

    An armed, 200 pound white dude shot an unarmed kid, who weighed a buck-forty, stripped.

    Hmmm…hey Douche: You used the word “murder.” If that’s what the facts show at the end of an investigation, I’ve no problem with that.

    What’s your problem with waiting to learn what actually happened before pretending to know? And how is the color of either person’s skin in this situation relevant to the actions taken by either?

  168. 168.

    El Cid

    @burnspbesq: Yes, but at least there he’d have a fighting chance, and someone getting ready to Stand Their Ground shooting another young black male would at least have to consider whether or not the young black male in question could shoot back.

    Facing the death penalty is a few degrees better than actually being dead.

  170. 170.

    jnc

    An armed, 200 pound white dude shot an unarmed kid, who weighed a buck-forty, stripped.

    orly?

  171. 171.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    a guy who thinks Trayvon Martin had it coming, Jerry Sandusky’s victims really wanted it, and the US government faked the death of Osama bin Laden

    Could you link to where I stated any of those positions as fact? Thanks, I’ll wait.

    You’re an amazingly bald faced liar. I can’t figure out why Cole hasn’t banned you for it.

  172. 172.

    burnspbesq

    @Mnemosyne:

    Stop the bullshit, please. We both know that witnesses sometimes blow up under cross-examination. If the jury finds the alleged victims’ testimony to not be credible, Sandusky will walk, because that’s the prosecution’s entire case; there are no eyewitnesses except McQueary and no physical evidence.

    You’ve already made up your mind. That’s fine. The jury gets to make up their own minds. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you emigrate.

  173. 173.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    @burnspbesq:

    The ONLY thing that is certain is that Travon Martin is dead. EVERYTHING else is TBD.

    huh? We know that Zimmerman shot him.

  175. 175.

    Felanius Kootea

    @jnc: Ah. I see. Not caring about sloppy police work that potentially lets murderers roam free is a luxury that much of the US population can’t afford. I’m glad you can.

  176. 176.

    burnspbesq

    @El Cid:

    at least there he’d have a fighting chance

    And people accuse me of being overly optimistic about the justice system …

  177. 177.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    what are you babbling about? I repeat: the sandusky prosecutors may drop the case for lack of evidence.

    Maybe they should bring you in to help as you apparently have top secret information.

    I’ve said many times before here: Sandusky is probably guilty of something, maybe many somethings. But, hello? It is still a requirement in this country, most of the time presumably, that those somethings have be proven to have actually happened.

    Your statements of certainty here at BJ don’t qualify as evidence. Sorry.

  178. 178.

    El Cid

    @burnspbesq: It’s not “optimism” — it’s a categorical difference between a state of being dead, defunct, not living and facing the death penalty as a young black male. The latter could safely be estimated as having a severely limited chance of success of producing a verdict of “innocent”; the former stands no recognized chance whatsoever of producing a “non-dead” verdict.

  179. 179.

    shortsyop

    @burnspbesq: Really? You think the entire tape is equivocal? Every word on it? That’s the only way you could say we know absolutely nothing about this other than that Martin is dead.

    Hyperbole. Gets you every time. But you never learn.

  180. 180.

    jnc

    We know that Zimmerman shot him.

    Well, maybe not.

    I read that Zimmerman’s gun had a full magazine and empty brass in the chamber. If true, this could have been caused by a mechanical failure. It could also be caused by someone firmly grasping the slide and frame as the gun was fired, preventing it from cycling. And (another) if that is so, that would not be inconsistent with Martin grabbing the gun and pulling it towards himself to try and pull it away from Zimmerman, thus shooting himself.

  181. 181.

    shortstop

    @burnspbesq: Really? You think the entire tape is equivocal? Every word on it? That’s the only way you could say we know absolutely nothing about this other than that Martin is dead.

    Hyperbole. Gets you every time. But you never learn.

  183. 183.

    jnc

    Ah. I see. Not caring about sloppy police work that potentially lets murderers roam free is a luxury that much of the US population can’t afford. I’m glad you can.

    Actually, you don’t see much.

    I don’t care about whether the Sanford PD has done sloppy work in the past because, in my view, most police departments do sloppy work and that doesn’t really tell us much about the facts of this case.

    See, its like this, based on your comments I could assume that you are a dumbass who always leaps to conclusions, but just because you’ve done that a couple of times, that doesn’t really mean that you always do that, now does it?

  184. 184.

    jnc

    “Zimmerman has already admitted to pulling the trigger.”

    Got a link for that?

    (And, even if so, just because someone “admits” something doesn’t make it true.)

  187. 187.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    I repeat: the sandusky prosecutors may drop the case for lack of evidence.

    Link, please. The article I linked you to has zero indication that the prosecution has any intention of dropping the case. In fact, the only reason for the delay in starting the trial is that the defense requested more time. The multiple articles I’ve read about the upcoming trial have zero indication that the prosecution is considering dropping the case.

    Provide this evidence you claim to have that the prosecution is about to drop the case for lack of evidence.

  189. 189.

    Mnemosyne

    @burnspbesq:

    Stop the bullshit, please. We both know that witnesses sometimes blow up under cross-examination. If the jury finds the alleged victims’ testimony to not be credible, Sandusky will walk, because that’s the prosecution’s entire case; there are no eyewitnesses except McQueary and no physical evidence.

    And your evidence that, when the trial commences in June, the jury will find the 8 victims to not be credible is … what, exactly?

    You seem a little confused about what Kola Noscopy Clime Acts is arguing here since now you’re dragging in a whole new “we don’t know what the jury will decide” argument on his behalf when his claim is that the prosecution is on the verge of dropping the case.

  190. 190.

    Jennifer

    My guess is that the Tulsa murderers will put up their own donations site next. After all, if Zimmerman can rake in big bucks from bigots for killing one black teenager, the Tulsa Cletuses can look forward to a payday 5 times as large.

  191. 191.

    WyldPirate

    @shortstop:
    Fuck you shortstop. You may think 4,000 people a year getting whacked is irrelevant; I don’t.

    @Lojasmo:
    Explain to me, then, why blacks murder blacks at a disproportionate rate? Also explain to me why a large-percentage of those homicides are gang-related and why that wouldn’t cause paranoia amongst people that livd in or near high crime areas if not for thuggery.

    Otherwise, go eat a bag of salted dicks or fuck the hell off.

  193. 193.

    Felanius Kootea

    @jnc: I linked to an article that listed several police experts pointing out the flaws in the Sanford police’s handling of the Zimmerman case. It also listed several instances in which that same police department fucked up other investigations. You ignored that but have decided to let us know that in your infinite wisdom, it is possible that Trayvon shot himself with Zimmerman’s gun (not even Zimmerman himself has said that). It isn’t the first time I’ve discussed facts about this case to you in a thread but your opinions about Zimmerman’s complete blamelessness have become more … umm … entrenched. I apologize to myself for wasting my time in a pointless discussion with a fool.

  194. 194.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    Sure, here you go:

    Or, if you were at all interested in maintaining a healthy skepticism, you COULD take the position that parts or all of the government story may well be true, or not, in which case you also need to ask why no photos of the body? The U.S. has displayed the photographed remains of other Middle Eastern enemies it has apparently killed. Why not OBL, the alleged mastermind of the worst ever attack on U.S. soil?
    __
    “We dumped him to the fishes” just um, doesn’t ring true and you know it.

    Wait, wait — let me guess. You weren’t really saying you think the US government faked the death of Bin Laden, you were just asking questions!

  195. 195.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    Last I read anything about the trial was several weeks ago; I just caught up and it looks like the charges will not be dropped, for now.

    That said, the evidence is severely lacking. They’re asking Sandusky to respond to accucsations without specifying when, where, or to whom these allegations were thought to have occurred, which seems odd, at best.

    Sounds like the usual case of prosecutorial overreach.

    If he’s convicted on sufficient evidence, fine. I just have a problem with railroading. Glad to knwo you’re fine with it.

    And again: the age of the alleged shower companion has not been provided or established. Why do you keep insisting that you know the age? Weird that you do that.

    I don’t know why there should even be a trial: Why not just have the BJ’ers who already know the facts and the verdict stone S to death in the street and be done with it?

  196. 196.

    shortstop

    @WyldPirate: Great! Since you’ve given this so much thought ever since you thought of it in the middle of the thread, you’ll have no trouble explaining why black-on-black violence is relevant to the Martin case.

  197. 197.

    Mnemosyne

    @jnc:

    Ah, the equivocal equivocation defense. He didn’t say they would drop the case, just that they may drop the case, so if the case goes forward, he can pretend later that he was right all along, because he only said they may drop it for lack of evidence.

    Good one.

  198. 198.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yes, you moron: I AM asking questions.

    And I never said I KNOW that OBL was not killed by the u.s. government. Suspicion is not knowledge; something you need to learn.

    Why do you have a problem with that?

    And what kind of a embecile takes the word of the u.s. government as fact these days?

  200. 200.

    jnc

    CNN article, “Zimmerman told police he shot Martin in self defense”.

    You mean where it says:

    Zimmerman told police he shot Martin in self defense, authorities said.

    Well, gosh, if “authorities” say its so, who am I to question that?

  201. 201.

    jnc

    @Mnemosyne:

    Ah, the equivocal equivocation defense

    No you stupid twatwaffle, I was just noting that word mean something and that “may” does not mean “is about to”.

  202. 202.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    I’m starting to be reminded of a Monty Python sketch where a character says: “oh, but surely he simply shot himself and then hid the gun”.

  203. 203.

    Clime Acts

    oh…I kind of forgot who I was arguing with again…Mnem..who is obsessed with Jerry Sandusky to an unhealthy degree and believes anything the u.s. government says to be true.

    Mnem does not believe words nor their arrangments into sentences have meanings. She or he feels free to divine the true meaning as he or she deems fit; she or he has THE SHINING.

    When quoting other commenters, Mnem often makes subtle but meaningful word changes. Otherwise, its arguments fall apart.

  204. 204.

    jnc

    I linked to an article that listed several police experts pointing out the flaws in the Sanford police’s handling of the Zimmerman case. It also listed several instances in which that same police department fucked up other investigations. You ignored that

    No I didn’t. I said I didn’t particularly care because that’s not news to me since police departments usually do sloppy work

    but have decided to let us know that in your infinite wisdom, it is possible that Trayvon shot himself with Zimmerman’s gun (not even Zimmerman himself has said that).

    Yep, in a post with at least 4 “ifs” in it, I said it was possible that during a struggle for the gun that Martin pulled the gun toward himself causing it to fire. It is interesting that you claim to know all about what Zimmerman has told police. Are you basing that on a CNN article quoting anonymous “authorities”?

    It isn’t the first time I’ve discussed facts about this case to you in a thread but your opinions about Zimmerman’s complete blamelessness have become more … umm … entrenched.

    Nope. I do not have a clue what happened that night. Neither do you. What I do know is that dozens of things proclaimed as “facts” by folks in Balloon Juice threads have been contradicted by subsequent information.

    I apologize to myself for wasting my time in a pointless discussion with a fool.

    Well, since you are not responding to what I post and, instead, are responding with haughty indignation to things I never said then I would agree that you are arguing with an idiot. That being you.

  205. 205.

    jnc

    I’m starting to be reminded of a Monty Python sketch where a character says: “oh, but surely he simply shot himself and then hid the gun”.

    Yeah, dude, that is totally the same as saying the gun discharged during a struggle. It is totally like a Monty Python sketch.

  206. 206.

    Mnemosyne

    @jnc:

    No you stupid twatwaffle, I was just noting that word mean something and that “may” does not mean “is about to”.

    And yet that’s what Clime Acts meant, as he admitted in his later post:

    Last I read anything about the trial was several weeks ago; I just caught up and it looks like the charges will not be dropped, for now.

    But, hey, go ahead and throw your lot in with the conspiracy theorist. It sounds like you two will have a lot to talk about.

  207. 207.

    jnc

    And yet that’s what Clime Acts meant, as he admitted in his later post:

    I see, “may” means “is about to” and when Clime Act “admitted” that “it looks like the charges will not be dropped” that means he was wrong when he said they “may” be dropped because “may” means “will be.”

    Got it.

  208. 208.

    Steve

    Man, we have some first-rate nutters in this thread. Remember, friends, if you believe the official story of what happened on 9/11 then you’re saying you think the Bush Administration always tells the complete truth about everything! Or something like that.

  209. 209.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    I know, it just drives you nuts that I break down all of your beautiful webs of obfuscating bullshit and force you to say what you really meant.

    I’m surprised you haven’t yet tried to claim that quoting your exact words with no changes at all is an example of me lying about what you said. That’s usually your next defense.

  210. 210.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    And yet that’s what Clime Acts meant, as he admitted in his later post:

    My god, you’re a liar. I never admitted any such thing.

    Hey, little Mnemy, do you think there have ever been ANY conspiracies? At any time? Anywhere?

    If so…why do you use the term as though the concept of a conspiracy is a self evidently absurd thing? Are you a ratfucker?

    Aren’t a lot of people here implying that the police in the Trayvon Martin shooting are covering shit up and fucking with the investigation? IF that turns out to be true, wouldn’t their doing so be a type of CONSPIRACY? And since conspiracies don’t happen, can’t we conclude that the police couldn’t possibly be doing such a thing?

  211. 211.

    jnc

    if you believe the official story of what happened on 9/11 then you’re saying you think the Bush Administration always tells the complete truth about everything!

    What, you always believe “authorities”, don’t you?

  212. 212.

    jnc

    I know, it just drives you nuts that I break down all of your beautiful webs of obfuscating bullshit and force you to say what you really meant.

    Do you wear a special cape when you make these posts? I mean, you’re obviously a super-hero!

  213. 213.

    Clime Acts

    @Steve:

    No…but if you believe the official story IN ITS GENERAL ENTIRETY, you are a gullible, willfully ignorant tool.

  216. 216.

    Mnemosyne

    @jnc:

    I see, “may” means “is about to” and when Clime Act “admitted” that “it looks like the charges will not be dropped” that means he was wrong when he said they “may” be dropped.

    Nice editing — the actual quote was “it looks like the charges will not be dropped, for now.”

  217. 217.

    WyldPirate

    @Felanius Kootea:

    The crux of the problem is why hasn’t the violent crime rate in the black community fallen further than it has (and it has fallen)

    I don’t disagree that what the author of your linked article proposes is part of the excuse people use to ignore the problem, but there have been extensive efforts to ameliorate the situation in the black community similar to those in immigrant communities earlier in the last century. The question is why haven’t those efforts worked and what can be done that will work?

    Personally, I think a huge contributor to the disparity in violent crime is due to the black market for drugs. A portion of the violence in immigrant communities during Prohibition was due to illegal substances. The lack of legal opportunities to support oneself will force people to turn to crime for support. Other sorts of crime goes hand in hand with this.

    The shitty criminal justice system is a different problem in many respects and that is the main issue regarding the Martin case.

  219. 219.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    Hey, little Mnemy, do you think there have ever been ANY conspiracies? At any time? Anywhere?

    Sure. But, being an adult, I understand that the fact that conspiracies exist in the world is not proof that everything is a conspiracy. When there is outside evidence — like, say, tweets from independent sources, statements from foreign governments, and reports from journalists inside the affected country all telling the same story — the odds of it all being a grand conspiracy are much smaller than if we were getting information from a single source or if we were getting contradictory information from a number of different sources.

    But, yes, I realize that to you, the fact that the Guardian UK reported the story is proof of just how deep the conspiracy goes, maaaaan.

    ETA: Look, Clime Acts — even the Taliban in Pakistan is in on the conspiracy! My god, how far does it go?

  220. 220.

    Jay in Oregon

    @Mnemosyne:
    I have this crazy idea that perhaps BOTH George Zimmermann AND the guys who beat the shit out of that tourist should be arrested, tried, and hopefully convicted!

    And hey! That black guy the reporter is showing the video too seems to think that it’s a horrible thing that those other black guys are doing! That’s EXACTLY LIKE the talking head assholes on Fox and talk radio trying to claim that an unarmed black kid assaulted a guy 100 pounds heavier than him who was packing a gun (and called him “homie”, to boot).

    @WyldPirate:
    In case that was too subtle for you? You’re an asshole. FOAD.

  221. 221.

    Clime Acts

    @Mnemosyne:

    So are you REALLY saying that because the Guardian reported something Obama said, from the white house, with no additional supporting evidence other than that supplied by the white house, this somehow PROVES the story to be true?

    giggle

  222. 222.

    Mnemosyne

    @Clime Acts:

    Sweetie, it’s not me that conflated the two posts, it’s your new BFF jnc who conflated them to defend you. If that conflation requires meds, think what that means.

  224. 224.

    WyldPirate

    @shortstop:
    Because, you dumbshit, people stereotype each other based upon appearances and their perceptions of groups and their actions. That is likely the reason behind Zimmerman’s alledged “profiling” of Martin.

  226. 226.

    jnc

    That’s EXACTLY LIKE the talking head assholes on Fox and talk radio trying to claim that an unarmed black kid assaulted a guy 100 pounds heavier than him who was packing a gun

    Well, at least you’re not claiming that Zimmerman had “100 pounds of muscle” over Martin.

    Have you heard the latest on what Zimmerman and Martin actually weighted? You might want to look into it.

  227. 227.

    The prophet Nostradumbass

    @jnc: How about you enlighten us, since you seem to know. With a link, of course.

  228. 228.

    worn

    @The prophet Nostradumbass: So up at 179 jnc states:

    I read that Zimmerman’s gun had a full magazine and empty brass in the chamber. If true, this could have been…

    (emphasis mine; rest of idle supposition omitted)

    Then just four comments down the line he/she demands from you a link for an aspect of the case that has been widely reported in the news media.

    I for one, would love to peruse the (unprovided) link to what jnc “read” (somewhere). Although it does seem rather unlikely that the source of this ‘what was in the chamber’ inventory would in fact be anyone other than the police. I mean – who else would be in a position to state such a thing with any certainty?

    Then down at 199 he/she states implies that you are foolish for trusting the police reports of what Zimmerman ‘said’. As they say where I come from, Do what?

    Why you let he/she get away with the sloppy logic switcheroo?

  230. 230.

    Brutusettu

    Maybe tshirthell or Zimmerman could sell a t-shirt:

    “All I did was run down and shoot an unarmed teenager and all I got was this lousy website to e-beg”

    What do you mean it’s not pithy enough?

  232. 232.

    Another Halocene Human

    @WyldPirate: Shit, that’s nothing. Who gets utterly blotto in a strange city and wanders around on foot in a rough neighborhood while smashed? Utter dumbass. But it seems his muggers are the bigger dumbasses because they’re on video and the cops have already nabbed one. Meh. Not feeling the outrage here.

    Pointing to cases of black-on-white outrage seems to be the white supremacist’s version of “both sides do it” even though the issue here is a lack of prosecution, not relative crime rates (most violent crime is intra-race, anyway).

    I never knew HuffPo was such a racist sewer, gahhh, those comments.

    I will just say that Balto IS a pit, yes, a very, very racist* pit as well, but I have been there many times (including at night), ridden public transit, walked around on my own, etc, and never got jumped or even close. IT’S CALLED NOT BEING AN UTTER DUMBASS.

    *referring to structural racism, of the white establishment vs. impoverished disenfranchised POC variety… making no statements about individual’s personal feelings here

    And what’s up with these stories that pop up every year or so about a white kid on the school bus getting jumped by a group of black kids, ooga booga the jungle people are coming for our innocent white yout. Hey, maybe your kid is a hideously obnoxious brat who picked a fight day after day and finally got his just deserts.

  233. 233.

    Another Halocene Human

    @Cacti:

    These threads are always useful as they remind us that 99% of WyldBedfordForrest’s problem with the POTUS is his blackity-blackness.

    Wow, good to know.

    Sort of reminds me of when the mask was pulled away from HillBuzz.

  236. 236.

    different-church-lady

    Wow, some first-rate stupid started happening after I went to bed. I mean, we’ve got to be talking parody city here — these guys are just yanking your chains. I need to go to bed early more often.

  237. 237.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @Another Halocene Human:

    Thirded. Between our resident racists like WyldBedfordForrest and jnc, and creatures like our resident NAMBLA lobbyist Clime Acts Kola Noscopy Whateverthefucknymheisusingtoday, I’ve been reading more lately (just not them) and staying out of the comments.

    Sorry John, but the shit is getting deep in threads like this here and I have better things to do than waste my time on the worthless pieces of shit who have to come in and shit all over the place.

    All I can say is that I really hope more than a few worthless assholes get hit by a car.

    Soon.

    Back to lurking…

  238. 238.

    Lojasmo

    @WyldPirate:

    people stereotype each other based upon appearances and their perceptions of groups and their actions.

    So? Does that justify chasing down and killing an unarmed teen? It seems that you are using racism as an excuse for murder.

    Who else did that, hmmmm?

  240. 240.

    chopper

    @Chyron HR:

    i’ve seen no actual evidence that trayvon actually existed in the first place. merely pictures and shit on tv, and those guys lie all the time.

  241. 241.

    bjacques

    Say, don’t PayPal charge a fixed amount for small donations? Because I’ve got a shiny, new penny here that’s looking to go to a worthy cause…

  242. 242.

    El Cid

    At some point the black community will just have to take responsibility and ask itself, ‘How long are we going to allow our young males to walk around neighborhoods to a relative’s house?’

  243. 243.

    flukebucket

    “Our investigation is color blind and based on the facts and circumstances, not color. I know I can say that until I am blue in the face, but as a white man in a uniform, I know it doesn’t mean anything to anybody.” Sanford (FL) Police Chief Bill Lee.

    When I first read this and realized that Bill Lee considered white men in uniform to be the real victims I was finished with him and anything else he had to say. He said that this case was treated no differently than any other cases without ever considering that maybe that was the problem.

  244. 244.

    CardinalRed

    @Clime Acts: No you most certainly implied she is a grifter you piece of shit – “Oh, and speaking of grifting…I guess you all already know Trayvon’s Mom has trademarked slogans containing his name.

    hmmm…”

    Oh you are so clever with your parsing…..

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