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Late Night Open Thread: Mah GUNZ!!!

by Anne Laurie|  February 4, 20262:26 am| 105 Comments

This post is in: Gun Issues, Open Threads, Trumpery

Off my cold dead hands
#leopardsatemyface #Politics #News

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— Leopards Ate My Face (@leopardfeasts.bsky.social) January 30, 2026 at 7:53 PM

Uhhh, uhhmm.
Err.
Not sure this is the best line for the GOP, but what do I know

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— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) February 2, 2026 at 3:50 PM

end of the day in Nov it very well may just be prices and normal incumbent backlash that lead to historic loses, but you gotta appreciate Trump and the admin doing everything they can to alienate the stalwarts and successfully doing so gets a a tsunami’s vs a wave

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— #1 Nate Blouin for Congress Stan (@purrtah.bsky.social) January 31, 2026 at 11:20 AM

As Reagan vs. the Black Panthers demonstrated, the GOP stance on the Second Amendment has always been that rights are meant for the *right*, white people (and their DHS servants, of course). Gotta say, I love this for them! Per Politico:

… “I’ve spent 72 hours on the phone trying to unfuck this thing. Trump has got to correct his statements now,” said one Second Amendment advocate, granted anonymity to speak about private conservations. The person said Second Amendment advocates are “furious.” “And they will not come out and vote. He can’t correct it three months before the election.”

The response to Pretti’s killing isn’t the first time Second Amendment advocates have felt abandoned by Trump. The powerful lobbying and advocacy groups, that for decades reliably struck fear into the hearts of Republicans, have clashed multiple times with Trump during his first year back in power.

And their ire comes at a delicate moment for the GOP. While Democrats are unlikely to pick up support from gun-rights groups, the repeated criticisms from organizations such as the National Association for Gun Rights suggest that the Trump administration may be alienating a core constituency it needs to turn out as it seeks to retain its slim majority in the House and Senate.

It doesn’t take much to swing an election, said Dudley Brown, president of the National Association for Gun Rights.

“All you have to do is lose four, five, six percent of their base who left it blank, who didn’t write a check, who didn’t walk districts, you lose,” he said. “Especially marginal districts — and the House is not a good situation right now.”…

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Others in the administration made similar remarks about Pretti, denouncing the idea of carrying a gun into a charged environment such as a protest. FBI Director Kash Patel said “you cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want,” and DHS Secretary Kristi Noem said she didn’t “know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign.”

These sentiments are anathema to many Republicans who have fought for years against the idea that carrying a gun or multiple magazine clips implies guilt or an intent to commit a crime.

“I sent a message to high-place people in the administration with three letters, W.T.F.,” Brown said. “If it had just been the FBI director and a few other highly-placed administration officials, that would have been one thing but when the president came out and doubled down that was a whole new level. This was not a good look for your base. You can’t be a conservative and not be radically pro-gun.”…

But this wasn’t the only instance when the Trump administration angered gun-rights advocates.

In September after the shooting at a Catholic church in Minneapolis that killed two children, reports surfaced that the Department of Justice was looking into restricting transgender Americans from owning firearms. The suspect, who died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the scene of the shooting, was a 23-year-old transgender woman.

“The signaling out of a specific demographic for a total ban on firearms possession needs to comport with the Constitution and its bounds and anything that exceeds the bounds of the Constitution is simply impermissible,” Adam Kraut, executive director of the Second Amendment Foundation, told POLITICO…

Additionally, some activists, who spoke to the gun-focused independent publication “The Reload,” said they were upset about the focus from federal law enforcement about seizing firearms during the Washington crime crackdown in the summer. U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro said her office wouldn’t pursue felony charges in Washington over carrying guns, The Washington Post reported…

“Gun groups know and gun owners know that there hasn’t been a bigger defender of the Second Amendment than the president,” said a second senior White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak on a sensitive issue. “But I think the president’s talking about in the moment— in that very specific moment— when it is such a powder keg going on, and when there’s someone who’s actively impeding enforcement operations, things are going to happen. Or things can happen.”

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Open Thread: FBI Has A(nother) Suspect for Charlie Kirk’s Murder

by Anne Laurie|  September 12, 20252:48 pm| 295 Comments

This post is in: Gun Issues, Open Threads, social media

The thing that is hard to communicate is that that specific flavor of “brainrotted 4chan slug with incoherent beliefs” is also downstream of the right wing politics factories dumping glowing nuclear sludge into the river
there’s a reason nihilism has risen and it wears Rush Limbaugh’s face

— Ed (@ed3d.net) September 12, 2025 at 10:34 AM


 
The FBI has announced a ‘suspect’ for Charlie Kirk’s murder — third time’s a charm — and it looks like he might be, as the saying goes, Politically Incoherent. Per USAToday, “Here’s what we know about Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Charlie Kirk’s murder”:

Authorities said they had Tyler Robinson, 22, from Utah, in custody this morning, Sept. 12, and have accused him of killing conservative influencer Charlie Kirk. Kirk died after he was shot in the neck during a public appearance at Utah Valley University in Orem Utah on Sept. 10…

Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old man who attended school in the south Utah city of St. George, was named as the suspected shooter. Robinson has no criminal history according to state records. Washington City, where Robinson’s family lives, borders the larger city.

Robinson is a registered voter in Utah, but does not have a party affiliation…

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox told reporters that Robinson was taken into custody after a family member contacted a family friend, who then informed authorities that Robinson had “confessed to them or implied that he committed the incident.”…

Authorities tied him to the crime through a review of online messages, interviews with his family members and friends and surveillance video. The messages included some sent on Discord, a popular online chatting platform.

President Donald Trump, without naming Robinson, first announced his capture during a Friday morning appearance on Fox and Friends. Trump said that a minister was involved in identifying the suspect.

Neighbors of the Robinson family told USA TODAY that they attended the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, whose members are colloquially known as Mormons…

Authorities said there were messages written on the fired casing and three unfired bullets found in the Mauser rifle allegedly used in the shooting.

The fired casing, according to Utah governor Spencer Cox, read, “Notices bulges OwO What’s This?” The phrase references an internet meme tied to animated videos and furry culture. OwO references an emoticon, and “what’s this?” denotes cuteness or curiosity. It’s frequently referenced by video game streamers.

Cox said that another read, “Hey fascist! Catch!” The casing also had a series of arrows that pointed up, right, down, down, and down in reference to a cooperative shooter video game called Helldivers 2. The input is the code for an airstrike. It has morphed into a meme and is used to imply a devastating reaction to something that should be destroyed.

The third unfired casing, according to Cox, said, “If you’re reading this, you’re gay LMAO.”…

More at the link. It’s nice that we can still count on a (suspected) killer’s family and acquaintances to turn them in, because it seems like the current FBI leadership might not be up to the job.

Also, it sounds like Robinson might be another one of the social-media-poisoned ‘spree killers’ Charlie Warzel discussed in the Atlantic last week as ‘performing for one another’.

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Folks, log off. The Tsarnaevs were mad geniuses until one of them ran over the other with an SUV.

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— Zeddy (@zeddary.bsky.social) September 12, 2025 at 12:39 AM

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WTF

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— Tom Nichols (@radiofreetom.bsky.social) September 12, 2025 at 11:08 AM

The reason they keep talking about Valhalla is that regular Christian heaven sounds suspiciously woke and pussified to them.

— ex-Lethality Jane (@lethalityjane.bsky.social) September 12, 2025 at 10:56 AM

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Utah's senior senator keeps a "Based" twitter handle where he does memes about Democrats murdered by mass shooters.

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— Zeddy (@zeddary.bsky.social) September 12, 2025 at 11:13 AM


(That would be ‘Based Mike Lee’, if you’re curious.)

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"A month ago, another young man was taken from us, also in his early thirties, also with a wife and two young children." David Rose was the DeKalb County police officer who rushed to the CDC when a gunman started shooting.
"So far as I can tell, President Trump never praised him by name."

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— Adam Keiper (@adamkeiper.com) September 12, 2025 at 11:03 AM

And guess who’s moved on already!

Dearest wannabe martyrs, this is all that jumping into the infinite abyss will ever mean to him. He will instantly move on to picking out new moldings from TEMU

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— Zeddy (@zeddary.bsky.social) September 12, 2025 at 11:53 AM

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Weird Times: Who Are the Audience for ‘Spree Killers’?

by Anne Laurie|  September 7, 20254:33 pm| 59 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Gun Issues

The shooter who killed two children and injured 21 others at a Minneapolis church was seen on video visiting a suburban gun shop the weekend before the attack.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) September 5, 2025 at 12:30 AM

… Krause stressed that nothing in Westman’s conduct raised any concerns among his staffers, who he said are trained to watch for warning signs.

“This person said all the right things, they checked all the right boxes, asked all the questions, they were friendly, talkative, making jokes, laughing, knowledgeable about guns, handled a lot of guns that were not the type of guns you would think are of the interest of somebody looking to do a mass shooting,” Krause told the AP.

Krause said his employees have extensive experience in picking out bad actors, straw purchasers, people who are homicidal, suicidal, mentally unstable or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. He said nothing stood out with Westman.

“We’re still going over it,” Krause said. “We’re still scratching our heads thinking, ‘What did we miss? What could we have done?’ But it always ends with the answer of ‘nothing.’ There was just nothing there. And that’s what makes this situation so unique.”…

The Mass Shooters Are Performing for One Another www.theatlantic.com/technology/a…

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— Jennifer Ouellette (@jenlucpiquant.bsky.social) September 4, 2025 at 5:04 PM

Charlie Warzel, at the Atlantic, suggests “The Mass Shooters Are Performing for One Another” [gift link]:

Last week, a 23-year-old opened fire outside a church at a Minneapolis Catholic school, killing two children and injuring 19 other people before dying by suicide. Just a few hours later, the shooter’s YouTube videos began to circulate online. In one, the shooter shows off an arsenal of weapons and ammunition laid out on a bed. The killer laughs and offers a stream-of-consciousness monologue. “I didn’t ask for life,” they say, the camera focused on the shooter’s vape. “You didn’t ask for death.”…

… The video was picked apart by people looking for some hints as to the shooter’s motivation or politics. Some right-wing influencers and MAGA-friendly news outlets seized on the killer’s gender identity, insinuating that the shooting had something to do with them being trans. Others fixated on the message about killing Trump and suggested the killer was a deranged liberal. Some left-leaning commentators seized upon the anti-Semitic scrawlings and racial slurs and said the killer was clearly a neo-Nazi.

But the rush to make sense of the shooting based on these messages and symbols is misguided. As incoherent, unhinged, or even cringey as the Minneapolis shooter’s videos might seem, they are part of a familiar template of terroristic behavior—one that continues to spread in online communities dedicated to mass shootings and other forms of brutality. In these morbid spaces, killers are viewed as martyrs, and they’re dubbed “saints.” Really, they’re influencers.

These disaffected communities live on social networks, message boards, and private Discords. They are populated by trolls, gore addicts, and, of course, aspiring shooters, who study, debate, and praise mass-shooting tactics and manifestos. Frequently, these groups adopt the aesthetics of neo-Nazis and white supremacists—sometimes because they are earnestly neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and sometimes because it’s the look and language that they’re cribbing from elsewhere. It’s always blurry, but it usually amounts to the same thing. In an article published by this magazine last year, Dave Cullen, author of the book Columbine, summed it all up: “As you read this, a distraught, lonely kid somewhere is contemplating an attack—and the one community they trust is screaming, Do it!”…

To understand the dynamics at play here, I spoke at length with Alex Newhouse, a researcher at the University of Colorado at Boulder who studies online extremism. He told me that the “proximate goal of these attacks is to entrench the shooter in the broader legacy of violence and propel the legacy further.” The idea, in other words, is to motivate someone else to become a shooter—by creating a public manifesto, leaving a trail of digital evidence, and even livestreaming attacks in some cases. “The more frequently the template shows up, the more likely it will repeat,” Newhouse said. “It’s not ideological in the sense that we tend to think about it. There may be anti-Semitic or fascistic elements therein, but the real incentive is the self-reinforcing legacy of these shooters.”…

Much more at the link.

Meanwhile… speaking of ‘trolls, gore addicts, and… aspiring shooters’:

Inside the gun absolutists’ bold plot to repeal one of America’s strongest firearms laws

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— The Guardian (@theguardian.com) September 5, 2025 at 12:05 PM

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Monday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  September 1, 20256:42 am| 70 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Gun Issues, Open Threads, Popular Culture

AI-driven nature apps are changing how people engage with wildlife on their hikes.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) August 28, 2025 at 3:00 PM

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I can remember when fans could barely interest even local media into covering the biggest pop-cult conventions…

Comic-Con Africa has drawn tens of thousands of fans to Johannesburg.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) August 31, 2025 at 2:00 AM

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Exactly. Whatever the problem is – and every state, red and blue, has plenty of problems – dictatorship is not the answer.

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— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) August 31, 2025 at 11:39 AM

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Honestly Trump being too old & sick to talk to reporters serves my purposes almost as well as him kicking it. "What if Trump was president & it wasn't any fun" is a pretty good summary of why the press hated COVID & I am very happy to bring that back

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— Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST (@chathamharrison.bsky.social) August 31, 2025 at 10:36 PM

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In Donald Trump's America consumers have fewer choices at higher prices thanks to increased taxes on imported goods. www.nbcnews.com/business/bus…

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— Adam J Schmidt (@adamjschmidt.bsky.social) August 29, 2025 at 11:03 AM

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University of Michigan’s consumer sentiment index was 74.0 in December, now 58.2 in August. Conference Board’s consumer confidence index was 104.7, now 97.4. Government officials shouldn’t go on TV and blatantly lie like this.

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— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec.bsky.social) August 31, 2025 at 11:36 AM

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Pope Leo XIV denounced the “pandemic of arms, large and small,” as he prayed publicly for the victims of the shooting during a Catholic school Mass in the United States.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) August 31, 2025 at 5:00 PM

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Domestic Terrorism Open Thread: The Shooting At the CDC (Friday)

by Anne Laurie|  August 12, 20259:37 am| 128 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Gun Issues, Healthcare, Trump Crime Cartel

Feels like this tragic incident got overshadowed at the end of last week…

My statement on today's shooting at the CDC:

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— Senator Reverend Raphael Warnock (@warnock.senate.gov) August 8, 2025 at 11:08 PM

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CDC employees told me the shooting at CDC was much worse than initial police reports suggested. More than 40 bullets hit buildings. “It’s a miracle more people weren’t hit,” said one staffer who was locked down in a building for hours last evening.

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— Lena Sun (@lenasun.bsky.social) August 9, 2025 at 7:49 PM

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Some CDC staff say that they have long feared the day that escalating animosity toward the agency would culminate in actual violence, @landmanspeaking.bsky.social reports:

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— The Atlantic (@theatlantic.com) August 9, 2025 at 11:10 PM

Per the Atlantic, “‘I’m Actually Surprised It Didn’t Happen Sooner’” [gift link]:

… This was, in one sense, the first attack of its kind on the CDC. The shooter, whom law-enforcement officials have identified as Patrick Joseph White, a 30-year-old resident of an Atlanta suburb, was reportedly fixated on the idea that the COVID-19 vaccine had made him depressed and suicidal. No employees were injured by the bullets that entered the buildings, according to a CDC representative. But an Atlanta police officer named David Rose was shot and later died from his injuries. White, too, was found dead—fatally shot—at the scene. (It is not yet clear if his wound was self-inflicted or if he was killed by police.) When he took aim at the agency on Friday afternoon, he was near a corner where a lone man stands holding anti-vaccine signs nearly every day, several CDC staffers told me.

In another sense, public-health workers have been facing escalating hostility since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. In 2020, armed protesters gathered on the Ohio Health Department director’s front lawn, and the chief health officer of Orange County, California, was met with death threats after issuing a mask mandate. She had to hire extra security and was eventually driven to resign. Anthony Fauci, who served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases during the country’s initial COVID response, has faced regular death threats since 2020. Nearly a third of state, local, and tribal public-health workers reported facing some sort of workplace violence in a 2021 survey.

Last year, Fauci told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins that threats of violence to public-health workers correlate with verbal attacks from high-profile politicians and media personalities. “It’s like clockwork,” he said. In the second Trump administration, those attacks have become commonplace—the very selling points, even, that have helped a number of President Donald Trump’s health appointees gain their positions. In 2024, when announcing his own pick for CDC director, Trump maligned the CDC and other federal health agencies, accusing them of having “engaged in censorship, data manipulation, and misinformation.” Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was already a longtime anti-vaccine activist when he took the mantle as America’s health secretary; he has compared vaccinating children to the abuses of the Catholic church. During his own 2024 presidential run, he promised to “clean up the cesspool of corruption at CDC.”…

The shooter appears to have brought five guns to the scene, and at least four federal buildings were struck by dozens of bullets overall. In the hours immediately after the shooting, while many CDC employees remained barricaded in offices and marooned in conference rooms, they heard nothing from Kennedy or Trump….

To the CDC employees I spoke with, the sluggish response is the latest episode in the administration’s escalating abandonment of the agency. Since January, the Trump administration has hit the CDC with massive layoffs, proposed halving its budget, and forced changes to internal policies governing the fundamentals of its scientific work. Earlier this year, Kennedy purged the committee that advises the CDC on vaccine recommendations. Just this week, he canceled nearly $500 million in federally funded research on mRNA vaccines—widely considered among CDC employees and public-health experts to be the greatest domestic triumph of the U.S. pandemic response—stating incorrectly that they cause more risk than benefit against the flu and COVID…

Even people who have volunteered for risky missions in their public-health work are still getting used to the idea that the danger has arrived at the home front. “I’ve put my life on the line for this agency, responding to outbreaks in some of the most dangerous parts of the world,” a 13-year veteran of the agency told me. “I didn’t expect to face the same risks at the Atlanta campus as I faced in South Sudan.”

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Exclusive: CDC Director Susan Monarez met with its vaccine-focused center to talk about yesterday’s shooting. I listened to a recording. Scientists and officials are shaken & pointing fingers at RFK Jr. Many said his vilification and misinfo turned them into targets. www.msnbc.com/opinion/anal…

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— Brandy Zadrozny (@brandyzadrozny.bsky.social) August 9, 2025 at 6:03 PM

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The White House Occupants responsible for ginning up this attack didn’t so much as offer their usual anodyne ‘thoughts & prayers’ for the murdered law enforcement official until their indifference became mainstream news. One wonders White why…

Officer David Rose killed in attack near Emory University leaves behind growing family
Officials did not release the shooter’s name but Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens said that he was a "white male and he’s a person known to have interest in some certain things."
www.usatoday.com/story/news/n…

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— Mike Reed (@singleandsober.bsky.social) August 9, 2025 at 7:25 AM

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I spent this morning talking to the CDC shooting suspect's neighbors. They said he was polite, helpful and OBSESSED with vaccine conspiracy theories.
www.nytimes.com/2025/08/09/u…

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— Sean Keenan (@thatseankeenan.bsky.social) August 9, 2025 at 2:25 PM

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On FTN, Jerome Adams, who was surgeon general in Trump's first admin, slams RFK Jr. re the CDC shooting.
"It took him over 18 hours to issue a tepid response to these horrific shootings, and that's not even considering how his inflammatory rhetoric … contributed to a lot of what's been going on."

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— Will Saletan (@saletan.bsky.social) August 10, 2025 at 1:17 PM

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Thank you @maddow.msnbc.com for helping bring attention to this.
We need to call the shooting at CDC what it is – an act of domestic terrorism, stoked by antivax rhetoric.
We are beyond enraged at RFKJ's "leadership" and that the President still hasn't even acknowledged the attack.

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— Alt CDC (they/them) (@altcdc.altgov.info) August 11, 2025 at 10:31 AM

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The shooting at CDC was domestic terrorism. It was instigated by the HHS Secretary's years-long campaign against an agency he oversees.
open.substack.com/pub/rasmusse…

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— Angie Rasmussen (@angierasmussen.bsky.social) August 11, 2025 at 8:28 PM

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The first thing I thought of when I heard about today’s shooting at the CDC is how the Trump administration essentially demolished the CDC department responsible for gun violence research and prevention.
#MomSky www.thetrace.org/2025/04/cdc-…

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— Ruth Zakarin (@ruthz.bsky.social) August 8, 2025 at 10:16 PM

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All CDC staff nationwide to work remotely following deadly shooting outside Atlanta headquarters

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— Atlanta News First (@atlantanewsfirst.com) August 10, 2025 at 1:10 PM

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A former DOGE worker ("Big Balls") gets beaten up in DC,
and Trump sends in the military to take over the city.
But when thousands of CDC employees are targeted in a shooting,
federal buildings are attacked, and a first responder is killed…
there’s not even a statement from the White House?😡

— Alt CDC (they/them) (@altcdc.altgov.info) August 11, 2025 at 11:19 AM

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Thursday Evening Open Thread: Live By the Paladin Fantasy…

by Anne Laurie|  January 9, 20259:10 pm| 77 Comments

This post is in: Gun Issues, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity

The man who tried to shoot up Comet Pizza 8 years ago was killed in a confrontation with police on Monday.

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— Tim Onion (@bencollins.bsky.social) January 9, 2025 at 4:18 PM

He was clearly not a well man, more shame to the monsters & grifters who manipulated decades of Hillary-hate to send him haring off to a DC pizza parlor. From the local Charlotte Observer, “‘Pizzagate’ gunman fatally shot by police outside Charlotte in traffic stop”:

The Salisbury man who died Monday after he was shot by two Kannapolis police officers over the weekend was the ‘Pizzagate’ gunman arrested in Washington, D.C., in 2016 after he terrified people with a loaded AR-15 inside a restaurant.

Edgar Maddison Welch, the man killed, made national headlines in 2016 when he entered Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant in Washington, D.C., armed with an assault rifle and loaded revolver. He drove from Salisbury to the nation’s capital in search of an alleged child sex ring linked to Hillary Clinton — something he learned about from a fake news story, The Washington Post reported.

Around 10 p.m. Saturday, Welch was sitting in the passenger seat of a gray 2001 GMC Yukon when an officer pulled it over near Cannon Boulevard, a Kannapolis Police Department press release said Thursday.

The officer recognized the vehicle, having arrested Welch in the past, and knew he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest for a felony probation violation, police said. The press release said the officer spoke with the vehicle’s driver and recognized Welch in the passenger seat as two more officers arrived. The officer that pulled the vehicle over then moved to the front passenger seat where Welch was sitting to arrest him. But when he opened the door, Welch pulled out a handgun from his jacket and pointed it at the officer, police said.

The arresting officer and a second officer at the scene shot Welch after he refused orders to drop his gun…

Sidebar: Can’t say I’m impressed by the general tenet of the BlueSky responses to this. Not to defend Welch’s behavior, but the ‘kinder, gentler, more thoughtful’ vows about decorum on this new platform don’t seem to have survived contact with People We Don’t Like. Peril of rapid expansion, I guess.

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Late Night Open Thread: Retreat of the Gun Groups?

by Anne Laurie|  October 19, 20245:02 am| 109 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Gun Issues, Open Threads

The entirety of GOA’s electoral strategy is this tweet. No one has stepped up to backfill the campaign funds lost in the NRA’s implosion and orgs to the NRA’s right spend much of their time telling their followers elections don’t matter. https://t.co/wGq9ZkXc59

— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024

Will Trump whine to the audience that gun owners don't vote?

(yes, yes he will, because he says that every time he talks to 2A audiences these days because they aren't putting up any serious money for him so he's just checking the box) https://t.co/Omztxj9Nqc

— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024

I, for one, am just as happy that the professional gun humpers have decided Trump is a sunk cost — it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they retreated from politics entirely (fat chance). In my wildest dreams, maybe they’ve actually been spooked, not only by the implosion of the NRA, but by the increasing willingness of survivors and municipalities to hold gun sellers and ‘innocent’ parents / families / law enforcement agencies liable for mass shooting events…

Here is the problem, @guntruth: there aren't any!

Folks can roll the dice giving money to the @NRA but they're spending a small fraction of what they used to.@NSSF just does donor service stunt buys (Times Square lol)@GunOwners @gunpolicy et al reject electoral politics. pic.twitter.com/MvhX9F8QRN

— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024

No one has moved into the electoral work vacuum created by the @NRA's collapse and no one is showing any interest in fixing it.

— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024

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