I was listening to some socialist public radio yesterday and the forecaster being interviewed mentioned that we’ll almost certainly have a gap in weather satellite coverage in the next few years (and it was only luck and skill on the part of satellite controllers that we have coverage now). He also said that he’s been using the European forecast models to track Sandy, because they’re more accurate.
It sounds like there were some management issues with the satellite program at NOAA, even before their budget was cut, but if serious conservative Paul Ryan’s budget is approved, it would cut the NOAA budget even more. I’m all for it, because today’s storm has made it clear that the only real solution is privatizing weather forecasting so the free market will give us the services our broken government can’t provide.
TheMightyTrowel
Who needs Science and numbers and weather “prediction” – The good folk at Fox news tell me all I need to know! AMIRITE?
Stentor
I wish there would be an expanded budget for satellites. I was laid off from my job two months ago at a commercial aerospace company up in the Bay Area that produces those satellites because of low demand in the industry.
Mark S.
Yeah, but think of the benefits: Mitt Romney would pay less than 1% in taxes.
arguingwithsignposts
The mayor of Atlantic City is telling Al Roker that the governor (Chris Christie) was either misinformed or lying yesterday. Langford sounds pissed. Roker said “why would he do that?” Stephanie Abrams said, “now is not the time to work out who said what.” le sigh.
bad dad
Kos may be under an attack. I’m getting a “page doesn’t exist” message at http://www.dailykos.com. Use http://www.m.dailykos.com instead. It gives you the regular format if you use a computer to access instead of your phone. If any Kossacks can forward that message to admin once there, please do.
bad dad
Never mind. Back up and running.
Kane
On second thought, maybe the talking heads should have asked a question about Global Warming during this campaign.
JPL
Christie repeated his praise of the President and FEMA today on CBS Morning news. This is good news for McCain.
Raven
@arguingwithsignposts: Could we have a little more info? Lied about WHAT?
ok, the google is my friend too.
Omnes Omnibus
Come on, man. Private enterprise can cover it. I mean, even the local news programs have have satellites for the local weather images. Right?
Raven
Not a word about the mayor by Christie on Joe. Lauding the president. He did slide in a “normal FEMA mumbo jumbo”.
JPL
@Raven: Christie was asked about his comment about the Mayor of Atlantic City on CBS this Morning and my phone rang… ugh.. The video should be online soon though.
Davebo
The Mayor told everyone who could to get out.
What’s crawled up Christie’s huge ass?
Balconesfault
Every FEMA employee should be directed, when they appear at the scene, to start by saying:
“I’m from the Federal Government, and I’m here to help.”
gnomedad
Herman Cain: Polls show blacks voting for Obama because Romney supporters were working
arguingwithsignposts
@Davebo:
I swear, it seems like he just wakes up every day thinking of who he can shit on today. what a douchenozzle.
MrSnrub
My google-fu is weak. All of the links I could find only gave Christie’s side of the story. What did the AC mayor say?
I did see that Christie and the mayor have been feuding for a while.
arguingwithsignposts
@MrSnrub: The mayor said basically that he’d been warning people to evacuate for days and even said Christie’s representatives were standing next to him when he was making announcements. And he said, direct quote: “The governor is either misinformed or lying.” I would venture to guess that he wanted to leave off the first part of that either/or statement.
ETA: The mayor was just on Weather Channel via phone this morning, so it’s probably not in the google yet.
Raven
OK, so I switch to Soledad and get fucking Pataki.
Schlemizel
Seems even the conservative New York TImes has suddenly come to understand the value of big government
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/a-big-storm-requires-big-government.html?_r=0
Balconesfault
@Schlemizel: The bigger the disaster … the bigger the opportunity for private profit in the aftermath.
New Orleans has been a financial bonanza for many A/E companies, and the BP Deepwater spill helped keep many an engineering firms lights on when the Bush recession was still kicking their butts.
max
In my inbox preview of the WaPo daily fishwrap:
Now I could click on this and read it, but I like my brain, and wish to protect it. But yes, apparently, NUBER$ BVAD!
max
[‘Rain’s mostly stopped.’]
Raven
@Balconesfault: One of the great subplots of Treme!
Schlemizel
@Balconesfault:
I lived in Florida at the time of Andrew & that one really pulled the state out of a big hole it had dug for itself. There was $2Billion in spending between the Fed & private insurance – many jobs created too. Unless the dicks in Congress overrun the dickless members & kill recovery bills this could be the stimulus we never got.
geg6
@Raven:
I really love that show.
Raven
@geg6: I loved Fats Domino’s couch!
http://rockindownthehighway.blogspot.com/2007/04/rockin-appreciation-to-everyone-in-new.html
Balconesfault
@Raven: Never saw it – but work in the industry, and from the initial FEMA contractor camps (impact assessors) right after the disaster to the long-term infrastructure rebuild/upgrade contracts that followed, there have been a LOT of billable hours that were generated by Katrina.
Jay in Oregon
@TheMightyTrowel:
That reminds me of this:
http://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight/statuses/263073771827642368
Raven
@Balconesfault: Great show, the don’t fuck around.
Omnes Omnibus
@Balconesfault: So, you admit that you are instrumental in the construction of Obama’s FEMA reeducation camps, eh?
Higgs Boson's Mate
Tornado Alley includes a disproportionate number of red states. The notion that the people of those states would be better served at a lower cost by state-run disaster relief or by private disaster relief companies is ludicrous on its face.
That will not in any way prevent them from returning majorities for Romney.
Balconesfault
@Omnes Omnibus: Not me personally. But it seems that whoever was running them did a fantastically lousy job, given Romney’s polling numbers. Any decent deprogrammer should have had him down to 27% by now.
Raven
To any FDL refugee’s, Southern Dragon died this morning.
4jkb4ia
@Raven:
I’m very sorry. Baruch Dayan haEmet.
Balconesfault
@Higgs Boson’s Mate: Rick Perry turns to FEMA more often than Lindsay Lohan turns to coke. And Texas is financially better off than many of our counterpart Red States in tornado alley and the hurricane belt.
Omnes Omnibus
OT: A WI venture capitalist, Stephen Einhorn, has admitted to funding the voter fraud billboards in primarily AA neighborhoods in Milwaukee, WI, Cleveland, OH, and Columbus, OH. A group that ABL is/was with, theGrio, was instrumental in bringing this to light. I am on my phone and can’t link, but it is in the No Quarter blog on the Milwaukee JS site.
lamh35
@Raven: That’s part of my old neighborhood in NOLA. My aunt actually lived 2 blocks from Fats house in NOLA before Katrina. I remember how gaudy we thought that house was back in da day. After Katrina though, when it was rebuilt, we felt nostalgic and the neighborhood while still not where it was just felt like it was back in the swing of things.
4jkb4ia
Sandy, the angels have lost their desire for us
I spoke to them just last night and they said they wouldn’t set themselves on fire for us anymore
It works impeccably well, since Christie just said the Jersey Shore was devastated.
GregB
@Raven:
Sad news.
So you are FDL Raven. Ciao.
Raven
@lamh35: We drove by on our last trip, one of a kind.
Raven
@GregB: Yea, been a while since I was shown the door. He and I kept up a bit on the facebook.
Raven
@GregB: Hi.
jwb
From Twitter it sounds like Bobo doubled down on the fascist, vote Romney or the GOP will make the country ungovernable line in this morning’s column. Won’t look myself. That man is a cancer on society.
Schlemizel
@GregB:
YEah, I assume he is Raven over at TNC also – a good guy.
I live under different names depending on what they forced me to sign up with.
Raven
@Schlemizel: Nope, don’t even know what TNC is. I was stuckinred here for a year or so because I wanted a clean break.
Schlemizel
@jwb:
So this fall presents us with a real choice! Do we vote for Obama which will force the GOP to continue to make American ungovernable or do we elect Willard M. Rmoney thereby making our once great country unlivable? YOU DECIDE >> DUM-DUM-DUMMMMM!
1badbaba3
@Davebo: Anything that cannot escape the fierce gravitational pull unfortunately.
Mark B.
Remember, everybody: climate change isn’t real, and federal disaster relief is immoral. At least that’s what Romney believed last week.
PeakVT
The MTA head is probably being overly cautious, but it sounds to me like some of the services could be halted for days or weeks.
daize
mistermix — had that song running through my head all day yesterday. Thanks for the info on NOAA. Sigh.
Hope everyone made it through the storm OK so far.
Two big trees fell in the neighborhood but thankfully no one hurt, and we do still have power. Our block made the local news — there’s a big Fox news truck in front of the house. I’m oddly torn….
Take care, all.
Schlemizel
@Raven:
OH! I’m surprised because he “sounds” like you. Oh well, you’re a good guy anyway.
TNC= http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/
A great read & lively community of commentors. One of the gifts I got from visiting this hellhole ;) That and Scalzi’s blog (also over on the right) often make the days wade through the fetid Internet swamp enjoyable
Raven
@Schlemizel: Ah, cool, thanks for the tip.
Higgs Boson
I think this sums up the election very nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3q8hAaxCQ
General Stuck
This made me laugh
Yea, wingnuts. Bring Spam, lots of Spam. Maybe Ryan can give a live reading of Ayn Rand for the event. Laurel and Hardy coming to the rescue.
GregB
@General Stuck:
I said last night that Romney and Ryan are sending a bus full of tax cuts and copies of Atlas Shrugged to the hard hit areas.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mark B.:
Oh, the etch-a-sketch has been shaken several times since last week, who knows what the vile parasite says he supports/believes this week.
Amir Khalid
I don’t know why, but now I’m thinking of the loveliest accordion solo in rock music and missing Dan Federici.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@Villago Delenda Est:
Romney’s most deeply held beliefs need timestamps.
jibeaux
@General Stuck: Need someone to wash already clean dishes or tell you to go home and call 211? Never fear, RomneyRyanMan is here!
Maude
In Manhattan:
The power is shut off from 30th street west and 39th street east all the way down to the southern tip.
50 houses in Breezy Point, Queens are still burning with firefighters still fighting the fires.
Tappen Zee Bridge and Lincoln Tunnel open.
The Battery Tunnel is flooded end to end.
That’s just a few of the problems this morning in NYC.
They have to wait until the water goes down in the subway tunnels before they start pumping out the rest of the water.
This is the worst disaster since 1888.
Schlemizel
@Amir Khalid:
So you are going to ignore Weird Al’s entire body of work?!?
gene108
@JPL:
Thus killing whatever chance he had at the White House for the foreseeable future.
Maybe he can now sign the gay-marriage bill he vetoed earlier, since he doesn’t have to worry about pleasing the Bible Belt folks in the 2016 Republican Presidential primaries.
flukebucket
Boys and girls Neal Boortz is flogging the hell out of the idea that there is no need at all for “big government” in siutations like this and how government did not get involved in stuff like this at all until the era of Big Government Jimmy Carter that was made even bigger under Big Government Bill Clinton. He also gave a quick story about two cities that he could not remember the names of that were hit with natural disasters at the same time because they were side by side and the one city that let private contractors dig them out did much better than the city that relied on big government.
hueyplong
Voted in NC this AM, being extra careful to make sure the oval beside Obama’s name was filled in completely, yet no stray marks appeared outside the oval.
Due to redistricting and personal moves, I have now had the pleasure to cast votes against Virginia Foxx, Bob Barr, Newt Gingrich, George and George Bush, and Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately, my record of actually beating those people ain’t so great, though I am boastful about my vote contributing to Obama’s razor-thin margin of victory in NC in 2008.
A GOP poll worker had a handly list of approved “Conservative Judges” for the non-partisan races to fill those posts. I took one and dutifully voted for the opponent of each and every one of them, and my wife did the same. On our way out, we gave our lists back to the poll worker, telling him “We like to recycle.”
jibeaux
@flukebucket: Ah yes, the parable of the unnamed side by side cities. It’s so convenient when disasters give you a control and an experiment group at the same time. Pity about remembering the names.
Schlemizel
@Maude:
I know its too early but I have to ask. Are there long-term risks to the structural integrity of the tunnels & subways from this event? Have only used bridges, never the tunnels in NYC but clearly remember seeing water running down the walls as we drove through the tunnel in Boston from Logan airport – that is not a happy sight!
Omnes Omnibus
@Schlemizel: I vote yes. Let us ignore it. Please.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@Schlemizel:
The things my brain will combine.
cmm
Hmm, Spam has its own key…
Amir Khalid
@Schlemizel:
Of course not. Weird Al is to the accordion in rock what Keith Richards is to the guitar. Bu he doesn’t have a solo to his credit like Phantom Dan has in 4th of July, Asbury Park.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@General Stuck: Someone from FEMA should show up, survey all the cans collected, and point out this will get those who have access to electricity through a day. As for everyone else, not gonna matter.
J.D. Rhoades
@hueyplong:
Good on ya! The local Teabagger nest dropped a little packet in our yard with a “voter guide” and a pocket copy of the Constitution. Now I have two! And, as you say, the voter guide came in quite handy for who to vote against in the races I hadn’t fully researched. The enemy of my enemy, etc.
The Moar You Know
Saw that Christie’s dropped a bunch of torpedoes in the water this morning, and they all seem to have HMS Romney’s name scrawled on them in chalk, along with the words “die skinny motherfucker” on them.
This is an interesting development.
Schlemizel
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
Excellent mashup!!
PeakVT
Short video of the partial crane collapse in NYC.
Graham
It is very important that the NOAA budget not be cut. These are dedicated public servants, upon which much appreciation is due.
General Stuck
@PeakVT:
Erector lost its erection.
ericblair
@The Moar You Know:
Between the convention and this, I’m getting the impression that Christie doesn’t like the Rombot a whole hell of a lot. Seems Christie’s getting real no-bullshit help for a state in real serious trouble, appreciates it, and immunized Obama against gooper attacks. Anti-big-gummint rhetoric tends to disappear about ten seconds after the water starts rising.
ding dong
Neal Boortz needs a freaking hurricane right up his ass. Alex bennett worked with him at some radio station and he had the classic signs of a stroke and bennett told him to go to the ER which he did. Boortz never thanked him or nothing no gratitude zip and Benneet ended up getting fired down the road and boortz didn’t do crap. That is a scumball.
Schlemizel
@Amir Khalid:
Ah, good then! 8-{D
@Omnes Omnibus:
OMG! NO! there is no way to ignore a rock gawd like Al!
jibeaux
I dunno, I don’t make too much of the Christie thing. If the president has been genuinely helpful during a state emergency, the governor pretty much has to say that. If he tries to say that Obama should’ve done more, the obvious question is going to be well, what else did you need and did you ask for it? It’s going to look political and petty and exploitative of your state’s tragedy to complain without specifics.
Maude
@Schlemizel:
Good question. The MTA doesn’t know yet. It could well be that there is major instability in the subway tunnels.
What is good about the MTA and all the other public agencies is that they know how to do their jobs.
The rabbit warren of Wall Street seems to be a real mess.
It has to be overwhelming in NYC.
FEMA helps, but don’t tell Romney.
I took subways and they are amazing. The walls didn’t leak and the express trains are an experience.
Edit to add, the IRT had it’s anna, 1904.
The Ancient Randonneur
I guess we can relay on Uncle Fred’s arthritic hip to tell us when bad weather is coming. That science stuff is just too hard and mostly made up to satisfy the liberal agenda.
Schlemizel
@ericblair:
A Rmoney/rAyn win would clog the road for Crusty in ’16, of course he wants Willard to lose. Crusty has the bypass money all saved up & a cover story but won’t use either if the worst happens.
jibeaux
Not to mention that last I checked Christie doesn’t look like he’s hitting the zumba studio yet, and he may be settled on a career at the state level. I bet thanking a Democratic president for helping during a hurricane will not exactly be a death knell in NJ politics.
MikeJ
@Davebo:
Talked to a wingnut I know last night.Was going on about how tough talking Christie was, “har har, we told you to get out, if you don’t we’re not coming for you! Har har!”
They eat that shit up with a spoon.
4jkb4ia
@The Moar You Know:
Christie is in his element. He gets to look like the tough guy saving his people from the terrible storm. Being a surrogate is a secondary reward to that.
Schlemizel
@Maude:
I love both Boston & NYC but to be honest I would worry about living in either city as so much of the infrastructure dates from the 1800’s with updates & add-ons from the New Deal era. I think there will be one hell of a price to pay when the bill comes due for the lack of maintenance and new building
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@hueyplong:
Ohhh the burn! I bet they had to run their ginormous SUV around the block twice to spite your hybrid, after that remark.
Our local tea party mailed out a handy card of all the approved wingnutty candidates, which proved to be a handy guide to voting against them in all the obscure races for local offices. This saved me the time which otherwise would have been invested in playing buzzword bingo with the ugly mailing cards that have been clogging up our mailbox for the last month. Although I must admit I enjoyed spotting a tell in the form of the phrase “balance of powers” buried down in the fine print on the lit card for one of the family law judges running for re-election hereabouts. Sort of like rare birdwatching, only with vultures.
flukebucket
@ding dong: There is no doubt that Boortz has to be a horrible human being. Thankfully he is retiring this year so we won’t have that poison in the airwaves any longer but he is being replaced by Herman Cain and it turns out that Herman may be just as horrible as Neal. Some of his comments are just as jaw dropping.
Schlemizel
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
The MN SoS will present you with a sample ballot on line if you type in your home address. This has been a real blessing to me as I get mine early and actually look at each of the candidates running. The wingnuts love to run goofballs for judgeships and they are the hardest to learn about. Now I know before I go what exactly is on the ballot & who the wingnuts are.
If your state does not do this it might be worth starting a letter writing campaign. The teatards occasionally win these deeply down ticket races because they all know but the average voter does not have a clue & often does not vote.
Omnes Omnibus
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: One of the upsides to living in Madison, WI, is that we had a total of 4 contested races on our ballot. The rest had Dems running unopposed.
Actually, this city is one where the Greens or someone else to the left should run on the local level.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
BTW I seem to recall reading years ago that Bush43 was underfunding the development of new weather satellites, and that it would bite us in the ass sometime in the future.
The future is apparently here.
Narcissus
Have any very serious villagers suggested we just cancel the election and give it to Romney out of patriotism and comity yet?
Cuz of the storm, y’know.
Higgs Boson's Mate
@flukebucket:
Providing Vermin Cain with a forum on which he can put his foot in his mouth routinely and publicly will at least provide some laughs.
hueyplong
Gotta get in my smartass remarks at the polls, because my won-lost record with regard to actual candidates is horrible due to spending most of my life in the Confederacy (with short diversions to SF for 1 year and Paul Laxalt’s Nevada for 2).
The GOP poll worker is likely to be doing a lot more laughing the evening of Nov 6 than I am, at least with regard to elections other than the presidential one. And the latter isn’t totally sure to be in our favor, though we have to think so in order not to go to dark places each night.
4jkb4ia
Allowing foreign STEM graduates to stay in the US may be important for job creation here and not where they come from. It is not a science policy.
From the NYT story on this it appears that NOAA could run that satellite program with less money than they have been given to do it. The post would be improved by pointing out Moderate Mitt’s assertion that he is all for pure scientific research but not handouts to Solyndra in one of the debates. What about what NOAA does is a handout to a private company?
Maude
@Schlemizel:
NYC does maintains things. They have built a new water tunnel.
The Republicans have really harmed this country by not funding infrastructure projects.
I get very angry about this as it kills people.
I want to see how Obama handles the extra funding needed for FEMA and infrastructure for Sandy damage.
I only hope against hope that this causes a glimmer of realization that quality is better than profit. Oh, what am I saying?
catclub
@MikeJ: Talked to a wingnut I know last night.Was going on about how tough talking Christie was, “har har, we told you to get out, if you don’t we’re not coming for you! Har har!”
Of course, a large fraction of those who don’t get out are clinging to their guns and sticking it to the government that would try to tell them what to do.
Others are just ignorant.
catclub
@jibeaux: “Need someone to wash already clean dishes or tell you to go home and call 211?”
Works best when you have just told Romney your house has been flooded out.
jibeaux
I saw a judicial ad on TV last night, they give away the tell early with the “conservative” part, but this one also included a promise to support small businesses and grow the economy or some such nonsense. I am at a loss as to how that aligns with being a judge, unless you’re just saying you will side with the 53% in any litigation.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@Maude:
You should be. There’s a reason countries attack their enemies’ infrastructure: It’s the most effective way to wage war.
Between their intentional mucking up of the recovery, and their stubborn refusal to let us take advantage of low interest rates to update our infrastructure, the GOP has essentially been waging war on the United States since 1980.
(Sorry, feeling very pissed off and partisan today).
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
I’ve long felt that in 1861 the CSA states would have done much better to stay in the Union and sabotage the Lincoln administration from within, using all of the tools of delay and obstruction available in the US system of govt., and that the last 4 years have given us a small taste of what that would have been like.
japa21
@jibeaux: Make something of it. He could have just said that FEMA is cooperating with us and I talked to the President and leave it at that. He went further in actually mentioning what he and The President talked about and how Obama told him to call him directly if he isn’t getting enough and talking about Presidential leadership.
Uncle Cosmo
@ericblair: I wonder if Christie’s concluded that he has no realistic shot at higher office via the current Tea-soaked version of the GOP & is putting his horse-racing cash on a deadly double–a crushing defeat for Mitt this year followed by Teapocalypse in 2014–to clear a path for him. For any Republican with half a brain & not batshit-insane, it’s the only alternative to turning in your membership card.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Higgs Boson: Thanks. Amazing animation and a catchy tune.
Cheers,
Scott.
jibeaux
@japa21: Yeah, I just think it makes him look a little more gracious about the sweet, sweet, federal funds and the assistance, etc. and not petty. In politics, there’s something to be said for looking gracious and not petty. Especially if you’re looking at 2016 and aren’t too optimistic about Romney’s chances now. Graciousness doesn’t give Dems anything to bitch about in 2016, and Republicans probably aren’t going to say out loud that Christie should have pre-emptively condemned the president before the storm ever hit.
kdaug
Check out the comments on this CNN story about Romney’s FEMA briefing. I made it though 6 pages or so before finding anything that could remotely be called supportive.
ETA: Point is, this ain’t here, or on DKos, this is CNN. And the takeaway is a.) Romney wants to kill FEMA, and b.) he’s shamelessly trying to politicize a disaster. These are two points that everyone is repeating, and inasmuch as CNN represents the middle, it seems telling.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
Quite possibly.
And imagine what that alternate version of the US would look like. No Federally backed Transcontinental Railroad, which would have slowed down westward expansion. Much less industrial expansion in the North. It also would have been much harder to bring new territories into the US because of the need to let one slave state and one free state in at the same time.
Also, WWI was only half a century after the Civil War. Doubt we’d have been as useful or powerful an ally in 1914 under the alternate scenario.
‘Standing athwart history’ indeed.
gocart mozart
gocart mozart
gocart mozart
Typo-Lincoln was wrong, not everything on the internet is true.
“She won’t set herself on fire for me anymore.”
gocart mozart
Also too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ314hldal4
1badbaba3
@gnomedad: Will no one take the Herb Cain bait? Oh how the mighty joke candidates have fallen. Is this us realizing Coultergeist was right (HA!) about their Blacks being better than ours?
Ben Cisco
@General Stuck:
I DON’T LIKE SPAM!
Ed or Edna Dane Defender of Donuts
Of course they need to cut funding for NOAA … you know. How else are they going to get the monies to probe Solyndra again? Or investigate if Bill Ayers personally typed up President Obama’s birth certificate? Those are Very Serious Topics.
muddy
NOAA is spending all their money investigating the mer-people, it’s just irresponsible.