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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Saturday Night Horror Show Open Thread: Our Long National Nightmare

Saturday Night Horror Show Open Thread: Our Long National Nightmare

by Anne Laurie|  August 10, 201412:28 am| 72 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Popular Culture, Republican Venality, Blatant Liars and the Lies They Tell, Decline and Fall, OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUDS

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The New Yorker‘s Andrea DenHoed explains:

… The clip is part of “Nixon’s the One,” a television series created by [Harry] Shearer and the Nixon scholar Stanley Kutler. It was first broadcast in Britain earlier this year—a savvy choice for a show whose humor depends upon a taut sense of discomfort—and is slated to début in the United States this fall. The script is taken entirely from the Nixon tapes—the audio captured by the voice-activated recorders that Nixon had installed in the White House— and from notes from Nixon’s associates. The selected scenes are reproduced as faithfully as possible—“every word, every pause, to the best of our ability, every inflection,” Shearer told me. It’s hard to think of a more apt way to revisit the tenure of a President whose rise and fall was bound, at every juncture, to recordings of one kind or another…

Along with Kutler, Shearer (who is a font of Nixon anecdotes) listened to hundreds of hours of the Nixon tapes, many of which have not been transcribed, to select scenes to feature on the show. Shearer has spent so much time listening to and analyzing Nixon that he very tentatively admits that he might be in better touch with Nixon’s emotions that Nixon himself was. (“I’d be pretentious and arrogant to say yes, but I’d be lying to say no.”)…

Most amazing thing may be that Nixon, weird as he was, never sank to the Weirdness Singularity level that his minions were already preparing to achieve with Ronald Reagan…

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    August 10, 2014 at 12:34 am

    My heart is heavy and broken a little bit more by the gunning down of an unarmed Black youth by the police in Missouri.

    He had his hands up.

    He was unarmed.

    The police had M16’s.

    What the phuck is wrong with this picture.

    It’s open season on Black people by Law Enforcement in this country.

  2. 2.

    TooManyJens

    August 10, 2014 at 12:41 am

    @rikyrah: When I saw “Saturday Night Horror Show” in the thread title, I honestly thought it might be referring to this case.

    Reading what the witnesses are saying is absolutely sickening.

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2014 at 12:43 am

    @rikyrah:

    It is heartbreaking. I don’t know a thing about this young man or the circumstances, but I just can’t envision any scenario, ANY scenario, that could possibly justify this.

    I’m about as white as a person can get, but please know (and rikyrah, I know you do) that we are not all like this. It makes me weep and it makes me enraged.

  4. 4.

    srv

    August 10, 2014 at 12:53 am

    Weirdness Singularity level that his minions were already preparing to achieve with Ronald Reagan…

    Reagan was the logical result of Nixon’s fall. Wonder what would have happened had the world given him a break.

  5. 5.

    jenn

    August 10, 2014 at 1:05 am

    Damn. Heartbreaking and enraging. He was evidently starting college on Monday.

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 1:09 am

    Reagan presented as superficially appealing. Nixon, on the other hand, was a little too obviously creepy to inspire a cult of personality.

  7. 7.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 1:16 am

    still needs more omnes

  8. 8.

    Ruckus

    August 10, 2014 at 1:30 am

    @rikyrah:
    The police have been pretty thoroughly militarized in this country and militaries need enemies. Even if they have to invent them. Given how many of our citizens are racists, given our war on drugs which pinned the cause on blacks all out of proportion to reality, given the war on poverty(which quickly turned into a war on poor people), given the militarization of police, I can actually not picture any other way this would have turned out. That it has effectively if not legally continued the lynchings and beatings of blacks is unquestionable. Different methods but same results. That it is a shame does not even come within a million miles of an apt description of the situation. And even worse, I see no way to change this, given our political climate. We elected a damn fine man to be president(best in my lifetime and I’m on SS) but a shit load of white people are pissed because he is black. Our only hope is to out vote the racists(and religious nuts) and elect people who know better.

  9. 9.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 1:30 am

    damn, I miss omnes. everyone else is so sensitive.

    cept, steeplejack.

    miss steeplejack.

  10. 10.

    Fred

    August 10, 2014 at 1:40 am

    It is my understanding that the recorders were installed by Kennedy.

  11. 11.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 10, 2014 at 1:43 am

    Two of my fellow alums gracing the front page of Balloon Juice tonight, Carol Burnett and Harry Shearer. Then again I’d rather see them talked about than two other alums who served in high positions in Tricky Dick’s admin(Haldeman and Ehrlichman).

  12. 12.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 1:43 am

    @Little Boots:
    You and Steeplejack.

  13. 13.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 1:48 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I cannot believe you would drag a children’s movie into this.

    although it’s true. I do love omnes, and steelejack.

    still.

  14. 14.

    Fred

    August 10, 2014 at 1:53 am

    And how about the black man (of course) who was shot by police in an Ohio Wallmart, I think yesterday. Seems he was in the toy aisle and picked up a toy gun. Two cops popped up and shot him dead. His ex was talking with the man on the phone and heard the whole thing. Not much to hear. Cops said something. Man said, “It’s not real.” Boom. Man is dead.
    No doubt it will be a justified shooting ’cause gosh, what else could they do? He was black!

  15. 15.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 10, 2014 at 1:55 am

    @Amir Khalid: To Little Boots, I’m the red headed step-child.

  16. 16.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 1:58 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    or not.

  17. 17.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 2:04 am

    you know what? I seriously, miss omnes.

  18. 18.

    Ruckus

    August 10, 2014 at 2:08 am

    @Little Boots:
    Get yourself a room already will ya?

  19. 19.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 2:09 am

    @Ruckus:

    no, he is not gay. just miss him.

    what is with your bigotry?

  20. 20.

    aangus

    August 10, 2014 at 2:13 am

    Well, there’s always this.

  21. 21.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 2:21 am

    @Little Boots:
    It’s just that the characters singing those songs are so you.

  22. 22.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 2:24 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    yes, I’m sure that’s it.

  23. 23.

    Yatsuno

    August 10, 2014 at 2:24 am

    Things got interesting in the NotMax neck of the woods. I wonder if Abercrombie will cry foul because of the hurricane.

  24. 24.

    Yatsuno

    August 10, 2014 at 2:31 am

    @Amir Khalid: I’m also a hair insulted at Frozen being labeled a children’s movie just because it’s animated.

  25. 25.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 2:33 am

    cause, all ya all, are sugars:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

  26. 26.

    askew

    August 10, 2014 at 2:36 am

    @Yatsuno:

    I doubt it. He got thoroughly skunked by his primary opponent. It wasn’t even close.

    Looks like Hanabusa is going to win the Senate primary which is good news since I think she should have gotten the appointment in the first place.

  27. 27.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 2:38 am

    @Yatsuno:
    You’re right, it isn’t just a children’s movie. And Andersen’s original story isn’t just a children’s story either, once you look beyond the plot.

  28. 28.

    Suffern ACE

    August 10, 2014 at 2:39 am

    The only connection to anything here is that the oldest eel in Scandinavia, if not the world, was born before Nixon and outlived him. Cause of death, tbd.

  29. 29.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 2:40 am

    @Little Boots:
    This version might be more to Omnes’ liking.

  30. 30.

    Little Boots

    August 10, 2014 at 2:42 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    you’re a bitch. I think I like you.

  31. 31.

    mai naem

    August 10, 2014 at 2:47 am

    I’ve always thought of Hawaii as having racial harmony. Is there a racial overtone to the gov and senate primaries or is it just coincidence that Schatz and Abercrombie are caucasian and their opponents are ethnically asian/pacific islander? Also did Tulsi Gabbard endorse anybody?

  32. 32.

    askew

    August 10, 2014 at 2:56 am

    @mai naem:

    Abercrombie was horribly unpopular as governor. He had raised taxes and made some brutal cuts to get the budget in-line and he appointed Schatz to the Senate seat when it was the dying Senator’s wish to have Hanabusa appointed instead. Schatz was pretty unknown while Hanabusa is well-known. That’s what I have taken from reading posts by Hawaiian’s at DK Elections site.

  33. 33.

    mai naem

    August 10, 2014 at 4:06 am

    The driver who Tony Stewart hit died. I don’t know crap about racing so I don’t know much beyond recognizing the name but this sounds fucked up.

  34. 34.

    Keith P

    August 10, 2014 at 4:13 am

    @mai naem: FYI, here’s the video. The kid was being REALLY stupid by doing that – he aggressively walked on the track towards Stewart while the race was still going on.

  35. 35.

    Hal

    August 10, 2014 at 4:56 am

    @Keith P: I was just reading about this story. Some people were saying it’s common to get out of your car and gesture to the other driver. I don’t fallow racing, so I wouldn’t know, but Stewart reportedly hit the throttle when driving towards the kid and hit him. Other drivers went right past.

    The other driver, Kevin Ward Jr., had collided with Stewart on the previous lap, leaving Ward’s car with a flat tire and pushed into the wall. As officials threw a caution, Ward left his car and began walking down the track — gesturing angrily toward Stewart — before being clipped and dragged 50 feet by Stewart’s car.

    Several spectators told Bob Pockrass of The Sporting News that Stewart appeared to throttle his car before colliding with Ward.

  36. 36.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 10, 2014 at 5:06 am

    @Keith P: That may be the case, however I see many lawyers in Tony Stewart’s immediate future.

  37. 37.

    Glocksman

    August 10, 2014 at 5:35 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’m not so sure about that.

    In his autobiography Will, Gordon Liddy details a meeting where he made it clear that he was willing to be killed in order to protect the Nixon administration as long as his family was taken care of.

    At the time I first read about this my reaction was ‘Damn. Hardcore’. Given the benefit of time, my reaction today is ‘fucking nutcase’.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2014 at 6:30 am

    @Yatsuno

    Most (though few) polls pre-primary showed Abercrombie trailing Ige. Abercrombie really, really pissed off the teachers (among other very unpopular missteps), and one does not screw over unions here.

    As for Hanabusa and Schatz, too close to call, and may even come down to the voting in the handful of precincts closed due to the storm, that voting probably not to take place for a few weeks yet, what with ongoing road closures and power still out over parts of the Big Island.

    A sixth printout is to be released early Sunday, which will add in mailed ballots, but even after that, any tight lad will still be up in the air pending the final voting.

    …the hotly contested Senate showdown between Brian Schatz and Colleen Hanabusa remained too close to call after the fifth elections results printout at 11 p.m. on Saturday.
     
    Just 1,778 votes separated the two candidates vying for the Democratic Party’s nomination to run for the United States Senate in November’s primary election, with Schatz holding a 48.6% to 47.8% edge over Hanabusa.
     
    State elections officials said a sixth results printout, comprising largely of the uncounted Oahu mail-in ballots, would likely be published early Sunday morning. Ballots will still have to be mailed to the Hawaii Island precincts which were affected by Iselle, a process that could take as many as three weeks, officials said. Source

    @askew

    The whole ‘Inouye’s dying wish’ story is complete bullpuckey. Senators do not get to crown their replacements, and the entire thing was an insult to the electorate

    Between the two, Schatz is light years more liberal and progressive.

    Hanabusa is completely in the pocket of the old boy network, and a slimy machine politician. Period, End of story.

  39. 39.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 10, 2014 at 7:13 am

    @mai naem:

    I’ve always thought of Hawaii as having racial harmony.

    I dated a Hawaiian. If she was to be believed (always a question), the answer to that is ‘HELL, no.’ Although it was supposedly more about different strains of Pacific Islanders hating each other than the classic white/black American conflict.

  40. 40.

    Another Holocene Human (now with new computer)

    August 10, 2014 at 7:35 am

    If anyone is really interested, like Botsplainer, in babies dying of herpes in NYC due to preventable circumstances, please head on over to the Failed Messiah blog. Shmarya has been blogging on this issue for years without much credit or recognition but now the issue is hitting the mainstream with the NY dailies picking it up. If you dig deeper there are some issues with elected DAs and block voting that explain why this very tiny community which engages in this practice continues to get away with risking the lives of babies and why MBP has taken on this “act of faith” kind of significance to certain parents in the community despite the very real risk of death to their child.

    I was kind of disgusted with the Rawstory comments, lots of anti-Semitism there, and then about an equal number calling it a conspiracy to bring this story out now. No, it’s been years and years of escapees from the Ultra-Orthodox community (OTD or “off the derech”, the path) screaming about this and other issues going on on the inside but only an election that kicked out a crooked DA in Brooklyn is giving activists hope that something might change. The bad thing about a local story like this hitting national news is that it really gives insiders in the community even more motivation to defend MBP as if it’s the most singular expression of faith when it’s an artifact of out of date medical understanding.

    Note there are some mohels who engage in MBP with a tube (like a straw) to draw blood off. It’s not as good a proper wound treatment, but it reduces the risk of infection. But the nuttier factions (again, maybe a few thousand people in the whole of the USA) insist on MBP directly by mouth and that is what is causing the infections. Two babies have died since 2000 and the NY authorities have been aware of this issue for at least as long.

  41. 41.

    Another Holocene Human (now with new computer)

    August 10, 2014 at 7:40 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: I’ve heard if you’re a white continental USAmerican with a big white supremacist attitude (note: most white supremacists, like players, will deny that they are one, in this case because they associate open white supremacy with being a lower class slack-jawed yokel with rotting teeth, not because they disagree with its aims), you will get called “haole” and it will be meant pejoratively.

    I think it gets its rep because the racial dynamics are different enough from the mainland that it rattles mainlanders’ expectations.

  42. 42.

    Another Holocene Human (now with new computer)

    August 10, 2014 at 7:43 am

    @Yatsuno: Just ignore all the children going ABSOLUTELY APESHIT OVER IT.

  43. 43.

    Another Holocene Human (now with new computer)

    August 10, 2014 at 7:52 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Howcum it’s always harmless seeming little white people calling these “incidents” in to the police and then the police respond as they always do with overwhelming force.

    I know of a case that never hit the news because nobody got shot but the police were in full military mode, staged a secret operation, closed a road, blocked in a bus, pulled everyone off and searched all their backpacks because two very silly boys made a joke about blowing the bus up and a tiny little white college student surreptitiously called 911.

    Henry Louis Gates, Jr got hauled into jail because a little old white lady thought something looked suspicious on that Cambridge street and pressed a young white non-witness into make the 911 call. Shanesha Taylor got hauled off to jail and spent a couple of weeks there and nearly lost her kids due to “well-meaning” white people. Or that lady whose 9 year old kid was playing in the park while she was at work (jeez, I used to play in the woods when I was 9, guess my parents should be in prison).

    Whites are the GeStaPo informant arm of the racial police bringing the pre-1865 authoritarian regime back to life.

  44. 44.

    rikyrah

    August 10, 2014 at 9:23 am

    @mai naem:
    Tulsa Gabbard is for Tulsi Gabbard.

  45. 45.

    Gildwrith

    August 10, 2014 at 9:28 am

    @Another Holocene Human (now with new computer): I will third the racial component. I have a co- worker that got her degree there. There were jokes about holding her under until no bubbles came up. However, she said later that one of the locals, who was black, took her under her wing and the harassment stopped.

    I also understand very careful genealogical records are kept for who counts as an islander. They played a direct role in who was allowed to vote when the time came to decide if Hawa’ii would remain a state in the Union.

  46. 46.

    Gildwrith

    August 10, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Halp! I iz moderated! What did I say?

  47. 47.

    Soonergrunt

    August 10, 2014 at 9:58 am

    New commenter? That typically triggers the moderation. Anyway, I cleared it.

  48. 48.

    Amir Khalid

    August 10, 2014 at 10:09 am

    @Glocksman:
    Remember, this is Gordon Liddy, himself not the most well-balanced of people.

  49. 49.

    different-church-lady

    August 10, 2014 at 10:45 am

    I saw the Shearer clip without knowing the concept of the show, and thought, “Wow, that’s a great spoof of Nixon. Wonder how they came up with that stuff.” And, as YouTube does, at the end it put up a bunch of tiles of related content, and one of the tiles is for the authentic footage. “Great,” I think, “I wonder how it went in reality.”

    The Shearer “spoof” is how it went in reality — Nixon really was that weird. Do a verbatim imitation of the man and people will think you’re exaggerating for comic effect.

  50. 50.

    Cephalus Max

    August 10, 2014 at 11:30 am

    @different-church-lady: Yeah, I just finished watching the actual clip too. That dude was one deeply strange individual.

    I’m just a little too young to remember him in office. It’s hard for me to imagine how anybody that obviously just…odd…ever got elected to national office.

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    August 10, 2014 at 11:50 am

    @rikyrah: That is beyond horrible, and it makes me feel so helpless. This has gone well beyond a few bad apples; it’s clearly a pattern and I want to know what the department of justice is doing about it. Anything?

    rikyrah, why don’t you start one of those Obama petitions where the administration commits to a direct response if 100,000 people sign on? I would sign in a heartbeat, and I’m willing to be that there are a lot more than100k other people who would, too.

    What the fuck is wrong with these people. Do they do ANY screening before they let people become police officers these days? How about some testing once they are police officers?

    If you’re a cop and you’re that angry/scared/hateful, you have no business being a cop.

    What happened to the long-standing idea that “if you’re a cop and you have to pull your gun, you have already lost control of the situation” ?

  52. 52.

    Bob In Portland

    August 10, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    A lot like Ukraine.

  53. 53.

    drkrick

    August 10, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    @Cephalus Max:

    I’m just a little too young to remember [Nixon] in office. It’s hard for me to imagine how anybody that obviously just…odd…ever got elected to national office.

    1968 was a deeply weird year. Given how closely Humphrey stuck to LBJ, Nixon seemed like the peace candidate to a lot of voters.

  54. 54.

    Bob In Portland

    August 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Look what the NY Times finally noticed, at the end of its article about a phantom Russian invasion into Ukraine!

    The fighting for Donetsk has taken on a lethal pattern: The regular army bombards separatist positions from afar, followed by chaotic, violent assaults by some of the half-dozen or so paramilitary groups surrounding Donetsk who are willing to plunge into urban combat.

    Officials in Kiev say the militias and the army coordinate their actions, but the militias, which count about 7,000 fighters, are angry and, at times, uncontrollable. One known as Azov, which took over the village of Marinka, flies a neo-Nazi symbol resembling a Swastika as its flag.

    In pressing their advance, the fighters took their orders from a local army commander, rather than from Kiev. In the video of the attack, no restraint was evident. Gesturing toward a suspected pro-Russian position, one soldier screamed, “The bastards are right there!” Then he opened fire.

    Must make some of you BJers happy to be supporting uncontrollable militias that march under the Swastika.

  55. 55.

    Bob In Portland

    August 10, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    From The Nation.

    Think of how many of you spent the last five months diagnosing what you think is Putin’s mental illness while the US aids the rise of fascism in eastern Europe. Well, enjoy it. You didn’t get fooled again this time, did you?

  56. 56.

    James E. Powell

    August 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    @Glocksman:

    Never forget that Liddy is an inveterate liar. He very deliberately crafted his own legend. Enough writers bought it & re-sold it that some people believe it to be true. He is, like nearly every other right-wing blowhard, a fraud.

  57. 57.

    Dog On Porch

    August 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    “..he very tentatively admits that he might be in better touch with Nixon’s emotions that Nixon himself”.

    Time for a long vacation, Harry. And I mean a world cruise on a slow boat.

  58. 58.

    Dog On Porch

    August 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    “Nixon, weird as he was, never sank to the Weirdness Singularity level that his minions were already preparing to achieve with Ronald Reagan”.

    My understanding has it that Haldeman, Erlichman, and Mitchell were all a tad bit miffed at Nixon for not returning their calls concerning a presidential pardon. Their subsequent prison sentences just might account for their later reluctance to lionize the man.

  59. 59.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    @Dog On Porch: Haldeman tried calling Nixon in the last hour of his presidency, between 11a and 12 noon on August 9. Nixon and family (and parrot) were aboard Air Force One high-tailing it out of Dodge. Without asking Nixon, Ziegler told Haldeman that a conversation with Nixon was out of the question at that point.

  60. 60.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Anne Laurie:

    Most amazing thing may be that Nixon, weird as he was, never sank to the Weirdness Singularity level that his minions were already preparing to achieve with Ronald Reagan…

    What does this mean?

  61. 61.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Nixon, on the other hand, was a little too obviously creepy to inspire a cult of personality.

    Not sure. Maybe it depends on what you mean by “cult of personality.”

    What I can tell you is that, even after months and months of revelations re what Nixon had done, and had allowed to happen, and had tried to cover up, many of his staffers were still much angrier at his critics than at him.

    You’d expect this, maybe, in his stewards, personal attendants, and so on, who saw him close-up as human rather than as the political cancer he was — but I’m talking about higher-ups who, as political professionals, ought to have had a little more distance from the person.

  62. 62.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    @James E. Powell: Exactly.

  63. 63.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    @drkrick: Nixon was sold to the voters like a product. It was a new kind of campaign, master-minded by none other than a young Roger Ailes. People were not allowed to actually see Nixon; his whole campaign was a simulacrum. Humphrey, clumsy and earnest, did not stand a chance.

  64. 64.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Fox Business Network?

    Bwah-hahahahaha.

    Watched by a barely perceptible number of people. In the key 25 – 54 age demographic, the total audience is particularly abysmal.

  65. 65.

    NotMax

    August 10, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Dang. Wrong thread for #64.

  66. 66.

    JimV

    August 10, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    1968 was my first year eligible to vote in a presidential election. LBJ could have run for another term, but didn’t want to face all the Viet Namh protesters (I guess). I didn’t think much of Hubert Humphrey, and couldn’t decide whom to vote for, so I didn’t vote for either. That taught me, and I hope a lot of people like me, to always vote, from then on. Our belated apologies for letting Nixon get elected. In every speech he gave, it was clear to me that he was only playing a role (badly) with a gleam in his beady eyes as if he relished how he was able to fool us. In other words, he lied – a lot – and didn’t hide it as well as he thought he did.

    Harry Truman was known to swear when he lost his temper, and for some reason that was an issue that JFK and Nixon were asked to comment on in their famous debate. JFK passed it off with a joke (“If Mrs. Truman can’t control his language I’m sure I can’t” – something like that); after which Nixon gave a sanctimonious speech about how he would never sully the presidency that way, nor allow it to be so sullied by any members of his administration. Some of us remembered that after transcripts of the Nixon tapes were published, with an “explicative deleted” in most sentences. That’s one, very minor example of his modus operandi. Having an enemies list, trying to get the IRS to audit them, the Watergate operation and cover-up, sabotaging the VN peace talks in Paris so the war would be a big on-going issue during the election – none of those things were big surprises to me after my instinctive reaction to him in his first term.

  67. 67.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    @JimV: “Expletive deleted.”

  68. 68.

    Cervantes

    August 10, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    @JimV:

    sabotaging the VN peace talks in Paris so the war would be a big on-going issue during the election – none of those things were big surprises to me after my instinctive reaction to him in his first term.

    The interference in those peace talks happened in 1968, before his first term, before he was elected to the Presidency.

  69. 69.

    mclaren

    August 10, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    @Another Holocene Human (now with new computer):

    Yeah, I’ve heard that offensively white overly entitled pricks get treated like haoles in Hawai’i and it ain’t pleasant. Well, it used to be the Hawaiians’ islands. I’m surprised they’re not more pissed off.

  70. 70.

    mclaren

    August 10, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    @Cervantes:

    It means:

    Reagan’s Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, declaring in a public interview that wilderness conservation wasn’t important because the Rapture was likely to occur before we ran out of wilderness.

    Ronald Reagan proclaiming in an interview four months before the 1970 Ken State massacre, when referring to vietnam war protestors, “If it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with.” Then, when asked by horrified reporters if he’d really said that, he replied that he was “only joking.”

    The Reagan administration staffer who said that in the event of a nuclear exchange, people who wore “light-colored clothing” would be “just fine.”

    Ronald Reagan giving a speech in which he asserted that the run-raping Contras were “the moral equivalent of America’s founding fathers.”

    Reagan’s assertion that “forest fires have caused more pollution than all the smokestacks in history.”

    I could go on, but you get the idea. The Reagan administration was a Bizarro World of lunatic self-delusion, far-right dementia, and general unreality gussied up with dulcet-toned earnest-sounding narration by the co-star of Bedtime For Bonzo, AKA the president of the United States.

  71. 71.

    Cervantes

    August 11, 2014 at 12:05 am

    @mclaren: And how does any of that relate to the following?

    Most amazing thing may be that Nixon, weird as he was, never sank to the Weirdness Singularity level that his minions were already preparing to achieve with Ronald Reagan…

    Nixon was not as weird as Reagan? Maybe, but if that’s all it means, what does it have to do with whose “minions”?

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