This is just infuriating:
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is stepping down from an honorary leadership position at No Labels, a group that was founded to foster bipartisan cooperation in Washington.
“Given my position as a sitting United States senator, who cannot be involved in the day-to-day decision making of the organization, I believe it is appropriate for me at this time to step down as honorary co-chair,” Manchin said in a statement. “I still support the original goals of No Labels and will continue to work with them to foster bipartisan communication and bring some common sense back to Washington.”
His resignation follows the group’s backing Rep. Cory Gardner (R) in his successful challenge of Sen. Mark Udall (D) in Colorado. The endorsement from No Labels outraged Democrats, including Manchin.
No Labels launched in 2010 with the stated mission of ending gridlock, but has been accused of violating its bipartisan ethos.
Yahoo News obtained an internal document earlier this year that suggested the group was hoping for a shift in the Senate majority, so they could then “bridge the gap between Congress and the White House.”
It was the group’s backing of Gardner that reportedly infuriated Democrats and Manchin.
Now if he would just step away from ALEC, although that doesn’t really matter, anyway. He’s going to run for Governor, and he now will have to deal with a Republican Senate there because WV State Senator Daniel Hill left the Democratic party yesterday to give the Republicans the majority. Which means we’re going to end up with US Senator McKinley or Raese.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
Sigh. I’m feeling lonely and stressed out, both over the job and waiting to get Phoebe back from the editor and see what she thinks. I haven’t gotten anything useful done this week other than the phone interview for the job. No real writing, either on stories or on promo materials for the Kickstarter. I really need to start working on the latter but it’s going nowhere.
I’m uncertain whether to go to Buffalo Wild Wings, where I know and like the staff and would at least be around people, and rent out a table even though I had a huge lunch or go home and take a nap with the cats. Neither sounds all that appealing, but more appealing than anything else.
Suffern ACE
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): The cats at Buffalo Wild Wings would be a hoot, though.
schrodinger's cat
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Hanging out with kittehs is the best way to relax, they have honed it into an art form.
burnspbesq
There’s only one solution to your problems in WV, Cole. Buy a suit and run yourself.
CONGRATULATIONS!
They’re still a thing? Huh. I thought they’d disbanded a few years ago.
@burnspbesq: I’d donate. I think his no-holds-barred approach to, well, everything would nail him 70% of the vote easy.
I’m serious. I think he could win it. Might take a few tries to get his name out there, but he would.
John Cole +0
@burnspbesq: This blog alone makes me unelectable anywhere in the country.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t really want to relax. I’m tired, but that’s really more the depression/stress talking than it is really being tired. I either want to be productive or I want to be with people I know and like. (Or both.) And the cats, as much as they try, really are poor substitutes for that.
Belafon
@burnspbesq: Not sure if he should talk about naked mopping while campaigning.
Calouste
@CONGRATULATIONS!: Pretty difficult to accuse our blog host of running on an anti-Cole platform, which is of course a big plus in WV. He could even advertise himself as Clean Cole.
Calouste
@John Cole +0: Funny country is it, America? You say fuck three times and you’re unelectable. You’re a war criminal and you’re elected to Congress or you’re a fraudster and you become governor.
schrodinger's cat
@John Cole +0: If it matters, I would vote for you.
FlipYrWhig
@John Cole +0: Erick Erickson was some sort of city councilman, wasn’t he? I think you’re fine.
BillinGlendaleCA
@burnspbesq: Wait, Cole would have to wear pants. That would never fly.
El Caganer
@Belafon: “A naked mop sweeps clean?” Or something like that, anyway.
Citizen_X
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Dude. It’s West Virginia. Pants are only for formal occasions.
cokane
i feel pretty bad for all the ppl essentially left behind in WV
Iowa Old Lady
@John Cole +0: You say that as if it were a bad thing.
Cacti
Hmmm…so “No Labels” was a front for getting Republicans elected.
Who knew?
(raises hand)
PsiFighter37
He’s probably mad that the election wasn’t close enough to make him a kingmaker when he (inevitably) makes the jump across the tiny stream to the dark side.
Who cares. At least WV finally gave up its ancestral Democratic leanings, so we can finally stop pretending it’s a state that will flip back to us anytime soon.
Hunter Gathers
Wasn’t this spineless, helmet-haired cracker already governor of West Virginia until Byrd croaked? Why the fuck would he want to go back to that? Going from US Senator to governor of any state is a step down. Is he not getting his ass kissed enough? Pomade cheaper in WV? Having to live near DC (close to THOSE people) and near Obama too much for his delicate sensibilities? Or will it just be easier to collect those fat checks from Big Coal from the WV statehouse?
I would trash West Virginia, but we just elected Bruce Rauner, who is going to join together with every backwoods, cracker ass cracker legislator in the state to turn us into North Alabama. Fun times ahead, kiddies.
Walker
@Cacti:
Everyone
Buddy H
Senator-elect Joni Ernst’s Koch-linked spokeswoman busted for DUI days before election
News of Gretchen Hamel’s arrest, after she was found passed out behind the wheel of her vehicle after crossing multiple lanes and going over a curb on the evening of Oct. 29, was not reported by the Des Moines Register until two days after the election.
Cacti
@Buddy H:
That’s almost as good as CNN letting their employee S.E. Cupp do media training for GOP candidates on behalf of the NRSC.
Remember when campaign contributions to Democrats got Keith Olbermann fired from MSNBC?
beltane
A bit of good news today. We ran into a low-income wingnut acquaintance of my husband who announced that’s she’s making plans to leave Vermont because of all the socialism. Good riddance. Unfortunately, these people invariably return once they experience how brutal life is for people like them in wingnut run states. And yes, when they return they still vote Republican.
Is there another group of humans on this doomed planet of ours who are as stupid as the tribe of white rural Americans? I doubt it.
dubo
Manchin was on NPR the day after the election trashing Reid for being such a big meanie and saying he was looking forward to Mitch’s reign because Mitch would be such a better leader than Reid
Fuck him
Cacti
@dubo:
Manchin is bitter that it was a clear GOP win and robbed him off his chance to jump ship over 50-50 split.
Chickamin Slam
There was a candidate for office, open seat, up against the usual Republican doublespeak opponent. So his ads played up military (he served), family (wife, 2 year old), business (some computer consulting) grabbing the conservative folks in the district interest. The only clue, a little “D” in the corner. So they were on board with someone who flouts the typical Republican creed of, military, family, business and images of, a big tank, candidate with kids, office complex, etc. The D? Hmm. The start was enough to convince many to vote him in and then reelect a few times before he decided to run for higher office.
John Cole: Military image of you and that tank, business whatever works, if you don’t have kids or a wife but you have relatives use theirs. Play up your history, heritage, ties to WV.
Al Franken had a blog and talk show. It did not stop him from running for office. His ads stated that while he was a comedian, there were serious issues facing America, no laughing matter, and he was out to help solve them.
beltane
@Hunter Gathers: I will give my wholehearted support to any candidate who runs an unabashedly anti-redneck campaign.
burnspbesq
@John Cole +0:
Blame it all on Juan Cole. I’m sure he could be persuaded to take one for the team.
gogol's wife
COLE IN 2016
I’m in. let’s start an ActBlue account
So much better than Hillary!
Felonius Monk
@burnspbesq:
Why buy a suit? Probably get more votes mopping naked.
beltane
John McCain haz a sad: http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2014/11/7/143457/872
He has to be careful. If he complains too much about Rand Paul he might not be allowed on TV anymore.
Emma
@Buddy H: We’re fighting on the wrong front. It’s the press we need to destroy. Villago Delenda Est!
schrodinger's cat
@Emma: At the very least we need our own news channel, Tunch News Network.
Marcion
SCOTUS is looking to hear a case on federal exchange subsidies. Uh-oh.
raven
@Chickamin Slam: Good idea, maybe I could use a picture of me burnin one behind a bunker.
PsiFighter37
@Marcion: Probably the usual 3 assholes + Kennedy hoping they can change Roberts’ mind again. I hope he tells thems to take a hike. Nullifying an entire law based on a typo is total crap.
Chris
Bipartisanship. Christ, what a transparent fucking charade. Why do they even bother anymore?
beltane
@PsiFighter37: It’s worse than total crap. At least it would dispel any thought that this country is run by anything other than thuggery and brute force. The SC fascists are treasonous scum who should not be allowed to get away with this crime.
Emerald
@PsiFighter37:
Think they wouldn’t? It’s a chance to take Obama’s signature accomplishment away from him, mostly.
So what if tens of thousands of people die? The LAW is the LAW, after all, typos included!
And yes, these sociopaths really are that cruel. Shoot, they’ll enjoy it.
The ACA literally saved my life. I’m in California, so I’m safe. But I think of the millions of people who are going to lose their insurance because of these five evil men, and it just gags me.
And you know the media will not cover millions of people losing their insurance. Nothing like the coverage they gave to actual thousands of people who lost theirs, then got better and cheaper coverage through the ACA.
You know it.
Roger Moore
@Marcion:
They’re more or less forced to because there’s been a split in the circuit courts. When the circuit courts can’t agree on an important issue, the Supreme Court has to decide.
dr. luba
@beltane: “Is there another group of humans on this doomed planet of ours who are as stupid as the tribe of white rural Americans?”
Well, possibly Russians who keep voting for Putin and his merry band of oligarchs. White rural Russians. But they already live in a shithole. The WRAs are trying to turn America into one.
JPL
@Roger Moore: The didn’t split. The DC court ruling was tossed after the entire court decided to hear it.
That hearing was to take place in December.
beltane
The Supreme Court is much more of a threat to Americans than are Ebola and ISIS. And yet there is no way to mobilize against this black-robed menace.
Roger Moore
@beltane:
Sure there is; it’s just that people get upset when you propose Second Amendment solutions to the dictators in black robes.
Just Some Fuckhead
@John Cole +0:
Well, yeah, unless you get saved and run as a Republican. Then it’s a motherfucking testimony to the power of the Lord.
Trollhattan
@Buddy H:
Seriously? They witheld the story ’til after the election? If there were a law against journalistic malfeasance I’d charge the lot of ’em. Oh, wait [googles] they’re owned by Gannett. Never mind.
PsiFighter37
NO LABELS, JUST RIGHT!
Aside from playing on the Outback slogan, it actually works as a very good description of these self-important douchebags.
Elmo
@beltane:
Two words.
Pelican.
Brief.
Howard Beale IV
@John Cole +0: I tell ya Cole, ya need to start watching John Legere and ditch the prim and proper crap-burn the pearl clutching and fainting couch bullshit. It’s time for politicians to speak like real American speak and none of this FCC-fine shit.
The Other Chuck
@John Cole +0:
Is it still the #1 google hit for “skull fuck a kitten”?
JPL
@Just Some Fuckhead: Yup. IOKIYR
MomSense
@beltane:
Tonight I’m drinking a beer, eating pizza, and playing Risk with my kids. If the SCOTUS messes with health insurance I promise you this DAR is going pitchforks and torches on those deatheaters.
Please Villago we need you and your tumbrels.
shelley
Some pleasant Washington doings tonight.
Performance At The White House, a salute to our troops.
Musical guests include Willie Nelson and Dan Fogerty.
Steeplejack
@JPL:
The Sixth Circuit just upheld some same-sex marriage bans yesterday.
Elizabelle
@MomSense:
Where is Villago?
I am ready to throw a brick too.
Once I get over feeling numb.
Mostly, I am disgusted for fair weather Democrats not turning out to vote. Maybe they need an object lesson that it’s better to vote for “not perfect” than cede the field to “greedy and cruel and for the already wealthy.”
Howard Beale IV
@The Other Chuck: Yep.
JPL
@Steeplejack: I saw that. My comment was about the federal health care exchanges.
Roger Moore
@Steeplejack:
Best guess is that the plaintiffs will ask for an en banc hearing that will overturn the 3 judge panel.
tazj
Well, you know how the media went crazy when the insurance companies canceled all those plans that weren’t up to par according to the ACA. I heard the terrible outcry of men forced to pay for maternity care. Will they care when poor or sick people lose their coverage under the ACA? They’ll care if they can blame Obama and the Democrats.
I read an article that the lunch between Obama and the Senate Republicans wasn’t so chummy. Obama was mad, and supposedly even cut off Biden. Good, I hope he’s takes action on immigration shortly. Just do it.
MomSense
@Elizabelle:
I’m just disgusted by so many things right now. I feel like I am being bullied by greedy, entitled assholes and I’m sick of it.
Oh and even though Cole pisses me off sometimes, I would go to West by God Virginia and campaign for him. John, you should run. This blog is not disqualifying. We need real people with good hearts who would actually try and help the people they represent.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: Burnsie noted in a thread below that the ACLU is going for cert.
Political Realism
Did you all hear?
John Roberts is about to single-handedly deal a deathblow to ObamaCare. The subsidies are about to be struck down–your own Ezra Kelin says that after the ruling the law will enter a “death spiral”.
Bye bye, Obama legacy.
Ba-da-ba-ba-baaaaa….I’m Lovin’ It!
Political Realism
Outraged. Infuriated. Sad. Disgusted. Disappointed.
My God am I ever loving these yummy, yummy yummy liberal tears….especially when they’re impotently raging against the Koch Brothers.
beltane
@MomSense: @Elizabelle: I am another middle-aged white lady who will join you in the street.
beltane
I really liked the way Scalia wore a replica of Thomas More’s hat at Obama’s 2nd inauguration. If the his career took the same trajectory as More’s I would like it even better.
MomSense
@Political Realism:
What kind of sociopathic jerk roots for people to lose access to health care?
The Koch brothers are too of the most pathetic people to ever walk this earth.
JPL
@beltane: Sounds like a good time to me.
Mike J
@Roger Moore:
What difference would it make? If the supremes want to call an overturned decision a split in the circuits, we’ve learned that they’ll do exactly that.
Roger Moore
@MomSense:
A Republican. SATSQ.
Cervantes
@Buddy H:
@Trollhattan:
The October 29 incident was bad enough — but two weeks earlier this happened:
BillinGlendaleCA
@Political Realism:
Ah, who’s Ezra Kelin?
Roger Moore
@Mike J:
The difference is that the Supremes seem to be looking for excuses to avoid ruling on marriage equality rather than looking for excuses to rule. I think the judges who are against equality are afraid of bringing the case because they think they’re likely to lose, while the ones that are in favor want as many married couples as possible in the states that would be affected because it will make overturning the pro-equality rulings harder. The net result is that neither side is eager to take on the case until they’re absolutely forced to.
Kay
Oh, yay! God knows there wasn’t enough of this in the campaign industrial complex:
John Arnold. Ugh. The Enron guy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: You’d think that would apply to ACA too. People who have good coverage wouldn’t be overjoyed in losing it.
Villago Delenda Est
OK totally OT tech question for the Juicetariat
I’ve been offline for the last week because my motherboard died. Got it replaced, faster, more RAM…but one problem, and it’s huge. For some reason beyond my comprehension, it seems they felt compelled to reinstall Win 7 and wiped out all my settings and programs in the process…to include Chrome. Now I’m stuck with the steaming pile of insecure shit called Internet Exploder, and it won’t let me go to the Chrome site to download it…keeps bleating about a certificate issue, but I don’t trust anything slime in Redmond tell me about a competitor.
How do I get IE to ignore this certificate bullshit and let me download a decent fucking browser (pardon my French, but Mictrosoft’s monopolistic bullshit causes me to see red…)
Villago Delenda Est
@Kay: The Campaign Industrial Complex needs to be nuked from orbit.
Only way to be sure.
Baud
@Kay:
I’ve got a label for them.
Ripley
@Villago Delenda Est: It’s not giving you the option to ignore the warning and store an exception?
Mike J
@Roger Moore:
Oh yeah, Scalia, Thomas, Alito will be crying a river when then annul all those marriages.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
Have you tried downloading Firefox instead of Chrome? I’ve never had trouble getting to their web site from Windows.
Baud
Why do I have the feeling that in 2016 No Labels will support the GOP nominee because we need a unified government to end Washington gridlock?
MomSense
@Villago Delenda Est:
Sorry about the computer problems but I am so happy you are here. We’ve been planning a revolt and it just wouldn’t be right without you.
Baud
@Mike J:
If it has to happen, I’d rather it happen before the 2016 election.
Roger Moore
@Mike J:
I don’t expect those two, or Alito, to let that kind of thing affect them, but I do think it would influence Kennedy and possibly Roberts. Kennedy has already shown some sympathy for marriage equality, and an additional point like that might be enough to swing him.
GregB
@John Cole +0:
Unelectable as a Democrat.
Run as a Republican and all past sins are forgiven.
Villago Delenda Est
@Baud: The ideal situation would be for the Village to have another huge Ben Bradlee wake and invite the No Labels crowd, the GOP congressional delegation, and the five fuckheads who comprise the majority of the Roberts court to join them, then we arrange for the meteor to strike.
With extreme prejudice.
Woodrowfan
@Roger Moore:
remember, in 2003 the left turned out hundreds of thousands of people to protest a war. In 2010 the right turned out hundreds of thousands of people to protest letting poor people see a doctor when they are sick. What else do you need to know? The right wing is evil….
Mike J
@Villago Delenda Est:
Since it’s a new install, have you run the windows updates yet? There are probably many changes to the cert authorities in the updates. That may fix the problem.
Mnemosyne
@Baud:
Because you have an IQ above room temperature?
Gin & Tonic
@Villago Delenda Est: Are the date/time set correctly on your PC? Or try Roger’s suggestion to download Firefox and then go get Chrome that way.
Actually, though, the latest IE is not bad.
Villago Delenda Est
@Ripley: Well, I tell it to stuff the warning, but the site comes up blank.
@Roger Moore: I think I’ll give that a try. This experience has been traumatic…not the dead motherboard, but trying to recover from the draconian solution that seems to have nothing to do with installing a new motherboard…
Kay
@Baud:
The Money Party.
John and Susan Arnold are busy billionaires. They’re “improving” Cleveland public schools. I cannot even imagine being that arrogant, just parachuting into a city and start bossing them around, and on such a complex and PURELY local community issue like schools. The “grant” is a rip-off. They “gave” the public system 3 million to take on what will be a continuing and permanent expense and duty.
Is there anything they aren’t experts on, billionaires? ANY subject they say “I have to admit, I know jack shit about that, so I’ll stay out”?
beltane
@Villago Delenda Est: Are you on good terms with any meteors?
Villago Delenda Est
@Gin & Tonic: It’s Internet Exploder. I don’t trust it not to be riddled with crap from “Microsoft Partners” who proceed to extort money from you to solve the problems they create.
beltane
@Kay: It’s too bad that today’s billionaires aren’t content to commission works of art and other related cultural pursuits. At least they would leave something worthwhile behind.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mike J: I was told that the updates had been run already, but I’ll give that a shot as well.
Just checked….”Windows is up to date”.
Time to visit Firefox…
Kay
@Baud:
What do they want out of the Colorado Senator? I guess we’ll find out!
Southern Beale
Someone please explain to me in what way is Joe Manchin a Democrat?
Gin & Tonic
@Villago Delenda Est: Your choice, of course, and I’m not going to convince you, but IE11 is not bad from either a security or a resource usage perspective, and you can easily disable any/all addons.
Villago Delenda Est
@Kay: Their money gives them moral authority.
No, really…some assclown back during the Jon-Benet days over on Salon Table Talk insisted that the parents could NOT POSSIBLY be suspects, because they’re wealthy, and the wealthy just don’t do things like kill their own kids. That’s what the poor, brown, and black do, the brutes.
Kay
@beltane:
I don’t follow sports but I like LeBron James for donating bikes. Kids need bikes, I think we can all agree on that. There’s a lack of top-down control in that gift that I really go for. “Just take this free bike and go..somewhere. Wherever! Up to you!”
That to me is a gift. I don’t know what these other things are. Transactions? Contractual arrangements?
Baud
@Mnemosyne:
Sure. Let’s go with that.
Villago Delenda Est
@Kay:
“You now owe me. Someday I may come to you seeking a service you can provide to me.”
This was all covered in the first few scenes of The Godfather.
Baud
@Kay:
I’m sure they just want him to govern in the spirit of bipartisanship and to put country over party.
Eric U.
time had an article profiling Manchin and how disappointed he was since he couldn’t get the two sides to work together. What a buffoon. Of course he was all, “both sides do it” infuriating nonsense.
beltane
@Kay: In my experience they are vanity projects that fulfill the needs of the grantor, not the grantee. I used to do grant writing for a small non-profit and the whole experiencing left me jaded and skeptical about the private sector’s ability to do good. No one wants to fund operating expenses to keep needed organizations running, but there is almost unlimited funding available for trendy, flavor-of-the-day projects that are of no demonstrable value.
Villago Delenda Est
@beltane: This is my general impression as well, having worked at a non-profit ISP back in the early days of the endless September. Funding day to day operations was seen as just not splashy enough for a lot of private sector grant providers. You had to have a special project running to get their attention….just providing low cost to free internet access to the entire community was not specific enough for their tastes. To be fair, a couple of early donors to our organization gave us cash and in-kind contributions (like office space) with no strings attached that enabled us to get started up and experience spectacular growth in 1994/1995, and be a running concern in the community until inertia set in about 10 years ago (and a glibertarian general manager who proceeded to inspire a bunch of fucking hippies to form a union to protect their rights in a hippie bureaucracy) and commercial outfits provided more or less the same service without the insane toxic atmosphere that developed.
Woodrowfan
@Southern Beale:
In the worst way possible????
Shana
@The Other Chuck: #1 and 2.
Poopyman
@Shana: Is there even a #3?
Villago Delenda Est
@Roger Moore: As it turns out, Firefox is downloading right now, bypassing MS’ “Oh, noes, certificate is out of date!”. Interestingly enough, they pulled the same thing on Yahoo’s site (where I do most of my emailing from for years now). Still could get my mail to come up though…not this blank page they show for the Chrome download site.
I just don’t trust MS not to use certificates as a pretext to cause people to go elsewhere. Call me paranoid, call me cynical, just don’t call me at 3AM, when I left the Army I swore that stuff off FOREVER.
mdblanche
@Chris: When you’ve lost Joe Manchin…
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
I guess it’s much to late to learn to replace the motherboard yourself, but having that kind of PC skill can turn out to be extremely handy. I assembled my own computer, and I was able to correctly diagnose and repair a problem with the heat sink compound failing. I don’t know if I saved a huge amount of money with either one, but I’m pretty sure I saved a lot of headache.
mdblanche
@beltane: I see what thou didst there.
Villago Delenda Est
@Roger Moore: I built a desktop pretty much from scratch about 15 years ago, but frankly I’ve moved beyond all that under the hood hardware stuff….just too much pure hassle if you don’t have a proper computer workshop to do it, at least for me. So I let some nerds do it for me…so far, the new MB and processor is moving right along smartly, it’s just having to reinstall all my preferred programs over a series of several days…all the downloading over 10 year old DSL technology is frustrating when everything is so bloated now, on the assumption that you’ve got a lot more bandwidth to play with.
So my box will be busy all night with various things as I get back into the swing of things. At least I can be here and direct tumbrel traffic again. Look…over there…it’s Ted Cruz! Get him!
Roger Moore
@Southern Beale:
He voted to make Harry Reid majority leader. Also, too, he seems to have voted to confirm most of Obama’s appointments when presented with the opportunity. He may be a Blue Dog, but he votes the right way often enough to be worth having- especially when you consider the likely alternatives.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
I guess you must have a decent backup, or you’d be complaining about much more serious stuff than reinstalling your applications.
Villago Delenda Est
@Roger Moore: Aye, I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday, as I remind my mistress the family cat when she comes looking for yet another round of treats 10 minutes after I just gave her some.
Kay
@beltane:
I hate the “we’ll start it!” mentality if it then goes to the public to fund ongoing, because it’s too easy for the public entity to take the money for something they might not have otherwise taken on as a continuing expense. I don’t think they should be able to dump the continuing cost on the public. If they want to skip the public participation process, they have to endow or set up a trust or something. I wonder what would happen if one responded like that when they make the offer: “well, I don’t know, that’s nice but we might pass…” It might be good to be less gushingly grateful, just to shake up the assumptions there :)
Omnes Omnibus
@beltane: @Kay: It is my understanding that donors want to make a splash – build a new wing, buy a machine, etc. Few want to buy toilet paper, cleaning supplies, toner, and the like.
J R in WV
Uncle Joe Manchin – you can tell he’s a Dem because of the (D) WV after his name.
Until the day Turtle offers him a really sweet chairmanship to switch parties, then there’ll be an (R) WV after his name.
Either way he’s still an asshole.
Villago Delenda Est
@Omnes Omnibus: Sort of like how spare parts for military hardware are just not as exciting to your average congresscritter as the latest bloated fast moving aircraft is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, but you still have to account for them at a change of command.
Villago Delenda Est
Firefox told me Chrome’s certificate was out of date as well, but didn’t throw a hissyfit about it, and the Chrome site came up.
I’ll play with Firefox a bit…might be suitable, but I’m familiar with Chrome and I am not one of those old dogs that delights in learning new tricks. For all my radical liberalism/progressivism, I’m really a pretty conservative guy in the traditional sense, not in the modern GOP/Teahaid sense. Backups, plans, wargaming, keeping options open…etc.
Villago Delenda Est
@Omnes Omnibus: Well, the higher up you are, the reality of what’s on the ground gets more and more distant. What was that sheet count again, sarge?
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: And where is that 5/8ths socket?
Another Holocene Human
@beltane: When I was visiting Vermont I ran into some broke as fuck white supremacist broke ppl enjoying the fuck out of all the socialisms in Burlington.
“If you want gratitude, get a dog.”
Believe it or not, raw boned, vampire pale tatted up white jailbait don’t talk about their white supremacy like that while getting their welfare on in Da Souf’ because they’d get their ass kicked in short order and they know it. If they wanna keep their 7 remaining teeth they save the n—-bating for whatever passes for quiet rooms for proletarians.
Definitely not at the bus stop.
(I enjoyed being back in New England over all but … I missed seeing Black faces!)
Another Holocene Human
@dr. luba: Rural white America is already a shithole. You need to get out more.
rikyrah
@Hunter Gathers:
Did I miss the turning over the Illinois House and Senate?
It depresses me to write this, but we actually have to have faith in Michael Madigan..
shudder shudder…..
Villago Delenda Est
@rikyrah: Out here in the land of Fighting Fashion Nightmares, Beavers, and Trail Blazers, we not only reelected a Dem Gov and a Dem US Senator (who kicked Ms. Koch’s shapely ass all over the Cascade Range), we saw gains in both the state House and Senate on the D isde, as well as legalizing MarYJane and NEARLY telling Monsanto to get bent over GMO labeling (propsal failed by only 2 points). We also resoundingly said “Nyet” to the California/WA State style “top two” election system.
Although I have to have to give WA props for telling the NRA to stick a fucking Uzi up their collective ass and squeeze the trigger.
SRW1
Just a hunch, but would it be wildly exagerated to assume that this brilliant piece of strategry was dreamed up by one Mark Penn?
kindness
The Lieberman is strong in Joe Manchin. Yes, it is.
Gian
@beltane:
umm
see the 2000 election. the guy who prosecuted Charlie manson wrote a freaking awesome book about it.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Betrayal-America-Undermined-Constitution/dp/156025355X
some peg the day in November 1963
some put it in the post ww2 intelligence operations with the operation paperclip stuff
some say it was always this way for people like them.