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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Telling It How It Is

Telling It How It Is

by John Cole|  March 21, 20152:26 pm| 164 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Post-racial America, The War On Women, Clown Shoes

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Funny, yet sad:

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The cover of the University of North Georgia’s course catalogue does not beat around the bush: Featuring a stock photo that shows two white men in suits beating a woman and a black man at a race, it proves that you can automatically win anything you put your mind to, as long as you are a white man. If that’s not the American dream, I don’t know what is.

After an article about the tone-deaf image appeared in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the University of North Georgia decided to pull the catalogue from circulation and remove the photo from its online presence. “After looking into the issue, we determined that this is an isolated case of poor judgment, and was not intentional,” a university spokesperson told the Constitution.

I believe them. They probably didn’t think about it at all.

Somewhat related, the story links to this gallery of stock feminist photos, and it is chock full of really attractive yet normal looking people. Menaing they are very attractive (and thus not normal, because most people aren’t, myself included), but normal enough looking that you could imagine seeing them in public. If that makes sense.

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I swear I have seen the picture of the woman in a hardhat somewhere else, maybe in a television commercial. The first picture needs a demanding cat knocking something off the table, and then it would be perfect.

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  1. 1.

    Steve from Antioch

    March 21, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    Yeah, and if the photo had featured the black guy crossing the line first, the bunched-knicker-brigade would have been whinging that they stereotypically showed a black man winning a race of white guys.

    Many people need to get a fucking life.

  2. 2.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    The first picture needs a demanding cat knocking something off the table, and then it would be perfect.

    I had to look at the first one again because I initially assumed she was in a public library, for some reason.

  3. 3.

    TaMara (BHF)

    March 21, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    That third picture looks like one of the stock images from the Koch Bros industry ads that run every Sunday morning during the talking head shows.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    So, just learned one of my lifelong friends is an anti-vax nutjob. Not surprising really. He went full on christianist after his mother sadly passed from breast cancer.
    Still an amusing story of degradations in mental ability after a life shock, then turning it all over to Jeebus.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): I love those. “We are Koch Industries. And we are completely not fucking everything you love and care about. Smiles.”

  6. 6.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    Regarding the middle picture, I knew the Kenyan Usurper had successfully given all his communist disruptors Obamaphones with which to communicate. But it’s a revelation to see that somehow we’ve all been wrangled into funding Obamaputers for those people also, too.

  7. 7.

    Randy P

    March 21, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    My wife took a film course in which the textbook contained many drawings as illustrations of, say, composition of a scene or how to do a transition. Bizarrely, the male characters in these drawings were always in suits and the females were always nude. I could never figure out why somebody decided that was a perfectly normal thing to do in a textbook.

  8. 8.

    Kryptik

    March 21, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    I believe them. They probably didn’t think about it at all.

    But that’s where the crux of the matter has always been, hasn’t it? It’s not just the overt prejudice that hurts and perpetuates itself, but the subconscious, and it’s really hard to get people to recognize that they have subconscious biases that help continue the cycle. They build up mental walls to overlook the double standards surrounding them and inside them, and that makes it really difficult to change this kind of shit.

  9. 9.

    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    Nothing is safe from Political Correctness.

    In what universe would a woman in heels be able to keep up with two white guys in dress shoes?

  10. 10.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    I’ll tell you how it is – there is simply no damn way they should have named the new CSI offshoot CSI:Cyber.
    And with Patricia Arquette?
    Un.Called.For.

  11. 11.

    Randy P

    March 21, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    But it’s a revelation to see that somehow we’ve all been wrangled into funding Obamaputers for those people also, too

    Scott Adams has said that no matter how terrible or demeaning or ridiculous the management practice he dreams up for a Dilbert strip, somebody will write in and say “My company does that too!” Poe’s Law says that no matter how over the top you try to make a satirical imitation of a religious fundamentalist, somebody will be convinced it is the real thing (corollary: because somewhere is the real thing saying exactly that).”

    Similarly, no matter how bizarre an anti-Obama rant you can dream up, some AM talk show host somewhere is saying it and somebody is writing it into comments on a news article.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    On the third picture my only hope is that she whip it, and whip it good.

  13. 13.

    RandomMonster

    March 21, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    The first picture needs a demanding cat knocking something off the table, and then it would be perfect.

    Reminds me of something I saw recently:

    WHEN CATS ARE SAD

    Bartender: What’ll ya have?
    Cat: Shot of rum.
    [Bartender pours it]
    [Cat slowly pushes it off the bar]
    Cat: Another.

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    @Randy P:

    Similarly, no matter how bizarre an anti-Obama rant you can dream up, some AM talk show host somewhere is saying it and somebody is writing it into comments on a news article.

    I agree and I think we here largely knew this. The Birther bullshit, the take back my country, and all the “scandals” rotating around that shit.
    But honestly, that shit with Santorum in SC recently where that nutbag started talking about a nuclear bomb in Charleston? That honestly blew my tiny little mind. Someone not only said that/printed that somewhere, but another person heard it, took it in and evaluated it as plausible, and then fucking said it in public! To a potential presidential candidate!?
    I confess here and now, Peak Wingnut was the most pernicious lie ever propagated on the American public.

  15. 15.

    shelley

    March 21, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Stock photos of women? Where’s the obligatory pic of someone doing yoga?

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    If the refs let these two teams play, UK may have a bit of the problem today.

  17. 17.

    opiejeanne

    March 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): Why does she need a hard hat? She’s in a fucking plumbing supply store.

  18. 18.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    @Corner Stone: I was just gonna say, I’ll say this while I can – UC and UK are tied!

  19. 19.

    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    @opiejeanne:

    On the third picture

    IDK about you, but all my womyn plumbers wear hardhats and their wedding rings when they work.

  20. 20.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I think the refs are going to protect UK, but it’s looking like Cincy came to score some points and not just foul out.
    UK is still so much the better team but we’ll see if C can get them off their spot.

  21. 21.

    opiejeanne

    March 21, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    @Corner Stone: And what is wrong with her face? It doesn’t move; too much stuff injected into it to make her look younger? It impedes whatever acting ability she possesses.

  22. 22.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’ll be pretty surprised if the refs don’t protect UK. And it’s not a secret how different the levels are, but I love that UC showed up like it’s possible to win.

  23. 23.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): It’s 4 to 4 after almost 6 minutes..

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    March 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    Well, they are inclusive enough to utilize the term “North” in their name…

  25. 25.

    jc

    March 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    I did graphic design work for a non-profit organization for several years, and stock photos were a primary marketing tool. People of color always had to be included. But it was creepy to try to make stock imagery represent reality. I no longer work in marketing / advertising — I don’t miss it and now regard it as a dishonest and wasteful practice in general.

  26. 26.

    WereBear

    March 21, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    @RandomMonster: LOL! I love that.

  27. 27.

    Calouste

    March 21, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    @Randy P: Religious fundamentalism already brought us such things as Expulsion of the Jews from England, the Thirty-Year War and the St. Bartholomew Day’s Massacre, I doubt that you can make a satirical imitation of religious fundamentalism that would be over the top. Whatever you can think up, they’ve done it all before, only limited by the then current technology. If they had nukes during the Crusades, they would have used them.

  28. 28.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    @Corner Stone: I gotta admit I’m rather enjoying this. UC up!

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    March 21, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    I appear to have finally caught the cold that’s been going around work, and I am not happy about it.

  30. 30.

    RandomMonster

    March 21, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    @WereBear: Cracked me up, too. We have 3 cats in our house — I’ve seen just about everything!

  31. 31.

    WereBear

    March 21, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Lousy timing!

  32. 32.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I had the dis-pleasure of courtside seats watching UC with K-Mart playing U of Houston, so I have never been a fan of Cincy/Huggins(back then).
    But I have to admit they aren’t being blatant about their physical defense so far, just playing tough team D and this is an interesting freaking game.
    I expect UK to adjust at halftime and all the foul calls to wear down UC eventually, but this is smart bball by UC so far.

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Ouch.

  34. 34.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    I’m starting to see the same UC that struggled in the Purdue game.

  35. 35.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    They’re shooting threes but overconfident and leaving the boards clear.

  36. 36.

    Bobby B.

    March 21, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    You spend too much time with Dixieculture. Get your head out of your Georgia.

  37. 37.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    @Botsplainer: They’re not overconfident, they know they have to get a few more per trip down court.
    Some bad shot selection but they know they have no choice.

  38. 38.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    WTF???

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    Inexcusable.

  40. 40.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    There’s UK.

  41. 41.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Spreads out from here, unless they get a grip.

  42. 42.

    J R in WV

    March 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Nice day here, spring-like. The sun is so strong that the house is heating up, no leaves on the trees so we will pick up too much solar heating for a warmish day.

    Daffodils popping out, frogs lying eggs, like spring all over.

    Sweet!

  43. 43.

    Mike in NC

    March 21, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    In that UNG catalog photo, the sinister black guy isn’t even trying to win the race. He just wants to catch and grope that white chick!

  44. 44.

    ruemara

    March 21, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    *sigh* and somewhere, a white guy is upset that it shows a woman and a black guy even competing.

  45. 45.

    Culture of Truth

    March 21, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    @opiejeanne: Yesterday I was reading the story of the first European astronaut. He is a French test pilot who rode on Soyuz and the Space Shuttle. In ended this way: “In September 2000, while visiting a Home Depot store in Webster, Texas, he was hit by a 68-pound drill press that fell from a shelf more than 10 feet above him.”

  46. 46.

    Karen in GA

    March 21, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    UNG is where I’m taking my continuing ed photography classes. Way to represent, UNG.

  47. 47.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    @Karen in GA: I posted this three days ago and I don’t even get a H/T!

  48. 48.

    sm*t cl*de

    March 21, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    I swear I have seen the picture of the woman in a hardhat somewhere else, maybe in a television commercial.

    Image Search says the stock image has been used by PBS (among others).

  49. 49.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    @Kryptik: The blindness is so weird though because when I saw that cover picture, I thought it was deliberately designed to show who had the advantage in a race. It was like the UNG people mistook an Onion story for news.

    I whining around with a cold. I’m supposed to be figuring out how to post a short story on Amazon for free but that’s apparently not going to happen today. It’ll still be there next week.

  50. 50.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    Since it’s a stock image, UNG isn’t the only group using it in marketing materials. A Google image search for the photo reveals hundreds of results. Maybe that Lean In stock-photo project wasn’t such a bad idea after all

  51. 51.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    And, for more fun, read the comments in Dennis G’s old rag!

    Really. Baiters gonna bait. If the black guy was winning the race, no one bats an eye. Or maybe that’s racist because you’re insinuating some sort of bias about athletic ability. Ignorant. If you are always looking for a reason to be offended, you will always be offended.

  52. 52.

    Karen in GA

    March 21, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    @raven: I, for one, t my h to you.

    I’m not far from you at the moment. I’m currently taking a break from a badly-needed afternoon on the motorcycle at the Subway in Statham. Not for much longer, though — the open roads of Barrow County beckon.

  53. 53.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    @raven: I find that astounding. How can anyone look at that picture and not see what is shows? Also, the dress is white and gold.

  54. 54.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Nah, the dress is clearly blue and black. Back to hoops for me.

  55. 55.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    I think we’re about to see UC start nailing UK every time down the floor.

  56. 56.

    GregB

    March 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    Remember those halcyon days before Face Book made us all realize that about 50% of our friends and family are total assholes?

  57. 57.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    @Corner Stone: That’s my sense as well. I’d never have guessed it would be as interesting a game as it has been. I was kidding when I bet my buddy UC could win, though I told him to stop laughing so hard before he hurt himself..

  58. 58.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    @Karen in GA: Not too shabby, I’m locked down on the hoops!

  59. 59.

    Joseph Nobles

    March 21, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Oh, look, they cropped out the lady crossing out of her lane and interfering with another white guy!

    http://www.boxtheorygold.com/blog/bid/44879/Five-Ways-to-Cut-Labor-Costs-with-Effective-Business-Systems

  60. 60.

    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    UNG takes diversity seriously:

    -American Indian or Alaskan Native: 0.2%
    -Asian: 3.1%
    -Black or African American: 4.3%
    -Hispanic: 9.4%
    -Multiracial: 2.6%
    -Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.1%
    -White: 78.7%
    -Unknown: 1.6%

  61. 61.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    @Corner Stone: It’s weird how people react to trauma. Some people go full metal Christian. Others dump Christianity. I had a friend who was so traumatized over the death of her grandmother (and I guess so not-comforted by the church’s teaching) that she left Catholicism and became an atheist. She basically became an atheist–as an adult–over “why do bad things happen to good people”. Which was pretty shocking, especially since I’d gotten in an argument with her in college over the Pope. (She was a fan. It was JPII. Moi did not care for the guy.)

    I feel like some people become full blown narcissists in response to trauma. (This is my totally scientific thesis after watching Hoarders.) And magical beliefs can be part of the cluster of narcissistic thought processes.

  62. 62.

    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    It just never ends

    University of Georgia fraternities, sororities and administrators have agreed to ban antebellum-style hoop skirts from Greek events in the wake of the University of Oklahoma Sigma Alpha Epsilon racist chant video.

    “We’ve made a lot of progress,” Vice President for Student Affairs Victor Wilson told the Athens Banner-Herald. “This is just one more step. We applaud our students for being courageous and making a tough call.”

  63. 63.

    JoyfulA

    March 21, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Corner Stone, there actually was a TV show, something like “War of the Worlds” without Orson and with plenty of notice that it was a fraud, that aired about Charleston and a nuclear blast, many years ago, we don’t take up for the politicians that often, but this time there actually was something of a precedent, many years ago. For those not old enough to remember.
    Mr. Joyful A.

  64. 64.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    @Joseph Nobles: I swear this has to be someone’s sly idea of a joke.

  65. 65.

    David Koch

    March 21, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Oh no, not him tooo

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    March 21, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    @srv

    Any RWNJ would look at those numbers and blithely bloviate that they mirror reality.

  67. 67.

    Mike J

    March 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    It’s weird how people react to trauma. Some people go full metal Christian. Others dump Christianity.

    The Simpsons Movie comments on this. (Sorry for tiny gif.)

  68. 68.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @JoyfulA: What?

  69. 69.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    OT and speaking of Hoarders, now that I’ve gone through my own anxiety disorder hell, I feel like some of the people on that show should have had a couple of months of chemical therapy before attempting a cleanout. Some of the people had dementia, some of them were just jerks, but some had severe anxiety and dealing with the stuffpocalypse was too much for them. Getting rid of stuff and then having an anxiety meltdown is conditioning … in the wrong direction. BF Skinner would not approve.

  70. 70.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    Those feminists are cute.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    @David Koch: He doesn’t look like he’s cheering.

  72. 72.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    @srv: They call them “Old South Day’s”. KA and SAE’s rode horses and dressed in Confederate Uniforms. People in these parts are pissed that white peoples are treated this way!

    Maybe they will ban hair braids, and wigs, and gold teeth, and saggy pants, and boom boxes spewing hate rap with lyrics too sick for and old Navy man to hear. Oh, I forget, Political correctness is only for the liberals and the minorities. Christians and white folk are being persecuted at every turn under the guise of Political Correctness.

    http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2015-03-18/hoop-skirts-out-uga

  73. 73.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    @srv: Shades of Cypress Gardens:

    http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11315

    and its “Southern Belles”.

    It is now Legoland. See? Southern states can move on and embrace the future.

  74. 74.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Gotta hit the gimme stripe, UC.

  75. 75.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    @Baud: He better not pull that Mr Dad thing and try to “coach” her after the game. Don’t do it, Barack!

  76. 76.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @Corner Stone: CSI:Cyber is awful.

  77. 77.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    Note to Larry Brown. Sorry, Coach, but UK couldn’t beat the worst NBA team in the history of the league.

  78. 78.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    That looked like it could have been UC ball.

  79. 79.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    @GregB:

    Remember those halcyon days before Face Book made us all realize that about 50% of our friends and family are total assholes?

    Oh lawd, that fucking place.

    If it would have stopped with the right wing crap I would have been alright. Watching my leftie activist friends say hurtful things to Venezuelans because of ideology was more than I could bear. Ugh ugh ugh.

  80. 80.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    So I guess over the back mugging is legal now if you’re playing for UK?

  81. 81.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: What did the Venezuelans do this time?

  82. 82.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    The blindness is so weird though because when I saw that cover picture, I thought it was deliberately designed to show who had the advantage in a race. It was like the UNG people mistook an Onion story for news.

    It’s a great example of white privilege in a bubble. It never fucking occurred to them.

  83. 83.

    David Koch

    March 21, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    Becky Hammon @BeckyHammon ·

    Also, thanks to President Obama for being a strong supporter of women & of basketball! Awesome combination! #GoSpursGo #POTUS

  84. 84.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    @Baud: They were in the streets protesting, cause, you know, shortages, political repression, the usual.

    Didn’t ya know it was all a state dept plot.

    I don’t understand how people can spend all day trying to get Americans into the streets to protest something but when another nationality is protesting apparently they are big fat dupes. Don’t have to learn what the issues are over there (unemployment, food shortages, corruption, political repression), obviously they’re wrong because their regime was a foe of Washington.

    A good friend of mine apparently believes the Maiden revolution was a State Dept plot. I am NOT getting in an argument with him about it but no … the fuck … it wasn’t.

  85. 85.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    So is this a transgender Cadillac ad?

  86. 86.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @Corner Stone: Everything is legal when you play for UK was always my understanding.

  87. 87.

    Steeplejack

    March 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @raven:

    Well, Cole doesn’t read the blog, so how would he have noticed?

  88. 88.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    @Steeplejack: trudat

  89. 89.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Don’t have to learn what the issues are over there (unemployment, food shortages, corruption, political repression), obviously they’re wrong because their regime was a foe of Washington.

    Good Christ, really?

  90. 90.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: Yeah, that weird.

  91. 91.

    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    @RandomMonster: that is genius

  92. 92.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    Cincy is melting down. All the fundamentals they displayed in the first half are gone, gone.

  93. 93.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @Corner Stone: fatigue makes cowards of us all

  94. 94.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    @raven:

    They look tired indeed.

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    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    @raven: They probably are worn out. I would be too against those extra stretches. But I also think they’re scared that the clock is ticking down.

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    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

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    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    IOKIYUK?

  98. 98.

    raven

    March 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @Corner Stone: yup

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    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Dagger.

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    WereBear

    March 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @Culture of Truth: That is so strange.

    Reminds me of the Japanese man who saved up for his lifelong dream to see the Rockies. He arrived on the West Coast, rented a car, drove into the mountains… And was crushed by a boulder which took that very moment to fall.

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    Another Holocene Human

    March 21, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    @Baud:

    Really. I’ve had some of these discussions face to face but mostly on facebook watching them argue with students from Venezuela. That was way too much for me.

    One girl told me she was in favor of any local autonomy movement (think Kurds) whether or not it was reactionary as hell. So she was speaking favorably of the Northern Italy secession movement (which is about as serious as talk of Texas seceding). Context, lefties! Context.

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    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: Context kills the purity.

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    muddy

    March 21, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    I sometimes watch Say Yes to the Dress. Well, I edit it pretty hard, I watch a half hour episode in about 7 minutes. FF the opening, the sales force pep talk, the groom, the venue and most of the introductions (most bring a crowd and then get upset that everyone does not agree). Sometimes I listen briefly to the entourage introduction to make an instant judgment of which one will be the problem. The part I like when they actually put the dresses on, and then seeing the comments about the dress, the interplay between everyone. As I say this is about 7 minutes worth. All this is excusing myself for watching dreck I guess!

    Anyway… one version is from Atlanta, and almost all of the white brides want to be antebellum. “Like Scarlett O’Hara”. The dresses have no hoops but may as well have, they are so large. The venues from what I see FFing past seem to lend themselves to this theme, plantation looking buildings. The overwhelming numbers of those who go for this sort of thing is kind of depressing. The NY show has a different sort of bad taste going on, it’s not as deep and dark.

    Also they go on about how everything has to be Southern, when it makes no sense.
    “In the South, everyone has an opinion!”
    “In the South, we care about family!”
    “In the South, you want to be beautiful! on your wedding day!”

    Only in the South!

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    @Corner Stone: Wore out and running scared.

  105. 105.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: I wish commentor Valdivia would show up about now.

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    Amir Khalid

    March 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    @Culture of Truth:
    @WereBear:
    I suspect this means that Alanis Morrissette really is God.

  107. 107.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Just too big, too much.

    ETA, oh come the fuck on! What!?

  108. 108.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    I did a foreclosure and eviction on a true hoarder house several years ago. We’re not talking just clutter or a lot of stuff – we’re talking piles of trash mixed with household items, long term plumbing clogs and shitting in buckets. I went to moveout day (the slobs hung in until the last possible moments despite having not paid a dime in 6 years – and they’d been in the place for 8). My people were old and had sold it under a vendors’ lien. I told them that they needed to just let it go at the forced sale, not to buy it (they were going to be liable for all 10 years of RE tax – the slobs never bothered with that), and to let it go at the forced sale for whatever was left over after the tax bill got settled. It had been their first house and they were unsophisticatedly sentimental.

    Once inside, I figured that it would take at least $40,000 in restoration and minor upgrade costs, and that it might fetch, on its best day, $60,000 in that neighborhood after restoration, before deduction of sales commission and sellers expenses.

    It was disgusting. The only real solution was a five gallon can of gas and a match.

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    fleeting expletive

    March 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    I hurt my eye wednesday night after stumbling in the kitchen. The eye looks like hell and I can’t see out of it. Three hours yesterday in the ER, with a CT scan and several tests, three more hours getting two RX’s filled. Will have to see an ophthalmologist next week and I have to put eyedrops in every waking hour.

    It could have been a lot worse I suppose, but I was just completely worn out when it was all over. I look like a centaur. I won’t be leaving the house until next week apparently.

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    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    It is now Legoland. See? Southern states can move on and embrace the future.

    Oh yes, I see.

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    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    This is just ridiculous.

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    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    I look like a centaur.

    Damn, that’s a hell of an accident to give you the head of a bull on your body.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    @fleeting expletive: That sounds scary. I hope you get in quickly to see the ophthalmologist.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    @Corner Stone: I told M.Q (not a sports fan) that UC would be outclassed, outplayed and just wore out. Then I had to explain “if the refs let these teams play.” It’s not easy to explain “the refs will protect UK” to someone who doesn’t really understand hoops. Good times – we’re both alums of different grad schools there.

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    MomSense

    March 21, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    @GregB:

    And we remembered why high school was so miserable.

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    srv

    March 21, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    @fleeting expletive: Took several days for the blood to drain out of my eye after a ball to the oribital (and I had a lot more than fleeting expletives over that). Had to sleep sitting up, lest it stain the inside of the lens. Sending positive vibes for your recovery.

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    Amir Khalid

    March 21, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    A centaur looks like this. You’re thinking of a minotaur.

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    WereBear

    March 21, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    @fleeting expletive: Cripes! My extreme sympathies.

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    fleeting expletive

    March 21, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    Thank you, srv and Amir. You are absolutely right. I was thinking of that movie Percy Jackson and the Sea of Monsters, where the guy with one eye calls himself a centaur.

  120. 120.

    JPL

    March 21, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    @muddy: Oh No! My son’s s.o. asked me if I wanted to go shopping for the wedding gown. She doesn’t seem the type but still. What was the name of the shop?

  121. 121.

    NotMax

    March 21, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    @muddy

    If you’ve never seen it, find the first episode of Miranda.

    Not only wickedly sly and funny, but has what may be the single most unattractive traditional wedding dress ever.

  122. 122.

    NotMax

    March 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    @fleeting expletive

    Perfect time to audition for CSI:Clops.

    ;)

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    ThresherK

    March 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    @fleeting expletive: Best wishes for recuperation. I’ve got a scratched cornea that flares up sometimes, even after twenty years.

    And if you’re wearing an eyepatch, remember, “It was me first day with the hook!”

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    Amir Khalid

    March 21, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    @fleeting expletive:
    Did they really say have him say that? Dear me. The one-eyed giant of Greek legend was a cyclops.

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    Cervantes

    March 21, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    Ouch.

    Get well soon.

    Meanwhile, I hope you’re not driving to your appointments.

    Do you have someone to help?

  126. 126.

    MomSense

    March 21, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    Oh no! I hope you heal quickly!

  127. 127.

    Baud

    March 21, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    At least you don’t look like a Gorgon.

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    Brachiator

    March 21, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    Thank you, srv and Amir. You are absolutely right. I was thinking of that movie Percy Jackson and the Sea of Monsters, where the guy with one eye calls himself a centaur.

    You don’t mean Cyclops?

  129. 129.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 21, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    @fleeting expletive: Yow. I hope you feel better and that the tincture of time will produce vision again. Eye patches make everybody look hotter.

  130. 130.

    fleeting expletive

    March 21, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    Yeah, cyclops. Pain meds kickin’ in. Yes, I drove myself to the hospital. The doc wanted to give me morph*ne, which I declined, and talked about transporting me to an eye clinic 30 miles away in an ambulance. I’m an old lady with a cane, so I really can’t be without a car–until I get too old to drive. Not yet, please!

  131. 131.

    muddy

    March 21, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    @JPL: The Atlanta one is Bridals by Lori and the NY one is Kleinfeld. They are gigantic places with a dozen couch and pedestal set-ups. Thousands of dresses on hand they say, but you see the same few over and over.

    ETA: If I never hear “wow factor” again I will be happy. What style of dress are you thinking of? “One with wow factor!” (drink)

  132. 132.

    JPL

    March 21, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    @fleeting expletive: A week from now, you can post how lucky you were. At least that’s what I am hoping.

  133. 133.

    JPL

    March 21, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    @muddy: Sounds awful. I guess it’s bridals by Lori.

  134. 134.

    muddy

    March 21, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    @NotMax: I will look for it!

    And now I am going to a slightly belated Now Ruz party, and will be having Fesenjan.

  135. 135.

    muddy

    March 21, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    @JPL: But you would get to meet the delightful Monty!

    Oh, and don’t freak out if they say they are going to “jack her up”, this is when they put a veil on and suddenly the haters all love the dress. I say they ought to put a veil on the first dress and save a lot of time.

  136. 136.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    OT: My adoption of Morticia

    Tomorrow I’m going to the foster’s home to meet Morticia. I plan on taking some pictures. After Morticia and I meet, La Caterina has to come to my apartment to check it out. Morticia needs to have some dental work done, so I wouldn’t be getting her until after the dental work is done. I’llk post another update tomorrow afternoon.

  137. 137.

    JPL

    March 21, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    @muddy: I’m so glad that I don’t have cable I did google bridals by lori and that is within two miles of their house.

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    Cervantes

    March 21, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    @fleeting expletive:

    Try not to drive. Depth-perception with one eye is … beyond difficult.

  139. 139.

    Corner Stone

    March 21, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    @Cervantes:

    with one eye is … beyond difficult.

    Is it close to difficult? Near difficult?
    Dammit!

  140. 140.

    Cervantes

    March 21, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I just didn’t want to say “impossible,” because, you know, nothing is.

  141. 141.

    WaterGirl

    March 21, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    @Baud: I’m late to the thread, but I knew that if I could just be patient and read through the comments before jumping in that someone would surely have already said exactly what I want to say.

    Thank you, baud.

  142. 142.

    Suzanne

    March 21, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    @jc: I did some graphic design work for a while, and we were hired by a PR firm to design some mailers in support of a local bond issue. We used stock photography, and the PR firm kept telling us to edit out the minority people. They told this to an account executive over the phone, not realizing that he is black. The AE asked why they wanted to remove the black people from the images, and told them he was black, and they instantly hung up the phone. We found out later that the head of their firm has done horribly racist shit.

  143. 143.

    fleeting expletive

    March 21, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    Yes, the depth perception is tricky, but the hospital is maybe five miles away, traffic was light, and I have some back roads. But, the ophthalmologist is on the other freakin’ side of town, maybe 12 miles away. I’ve only taken a taxi once in the last 7 years in this town and I got ripped off–$20 bucks for 3 miles–but if I take a taxi to the NW quarter of the city I’ll have the driver stop at the optometrist’s office because my glasses broke my fall and the lens fell out. That’s really okay too because it was my weaker eye.

  144. 144.

    Bill Arnold

    March 21, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Someone not only said that/printed that somewhere, but another person heard it, took it in and evaluated it as plausible, and then fucking said it in public!

    There have been a few comments here at balloon-juice mentioning that the next U.S. civil war could be fought with nuclear weapons. (I recall obliquely commenting a few years ago that the Feds would have (working) nukes, should they chose to use them, in any Civil War II.)
    Have any of the alt-history civil-war and post-civil-war stories featured nuclear weapons? (an example of the genre is “The Guns of the South”, Harry Turtledove. Larger list here.)

  145. 145.

    Wally Ballou

    March 21, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    @JoyfulA: @Corner Stone:

    Special Bulletin

  146. 146.

    gogol's wife

    March 21, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I just tried to convey this series of comments to my husband, but I was laughing so hard I couldn’t talk.

  147. 147.

    Violet

    March 21, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    Late to the thread, but good Lord. People really don’t think. My favorite in the catalog cover is the white guy on the far right. He barely looks like he’s sauntering across the finish line. No challenge at all to come in second.

  148. 148.

    Botsplainer

    March 21, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    Try the plot line to Jericho. I could easily see that kind of sneaky bullshit.

  149. 149.

    Tenar Darell

    March 21, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Cool! I hope you have a great visit.

  150. 150.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    @JPL: At one time there was one building in the ‘garment district’ that roughly had every showroom containing either bridal gowns or bride’s maids and/or mother of gowns. I’m tempted to say the address was 1385 Broadway (quick Google confirms) According to Google, it’s still there. Just think 24 floors of showrooms — 24 floors. A girlfriend and I took the elevator to the top floor and began our descent. We didn’t hit every showroom but most of them in a single day. Luckily for us, she found her gown. It wasn’t exactly what she had in mind, but saw the dress on another girl and told me “I have the shoulders for that dress.” She tried it on and fell in love with it. That’s the gown she got.

  151. 151.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    @fleeting expletive: Glass artist Dale Chihuly lost an eye in an auto accident. He wears a black eye patch. He is asked over and over if it was an accident in the hot glass shop. Nope, nothing so romantic. But losing the eye meant losing depth perception and he cannot now work directly with hot glass. He designs an object, puts an idea into a cartoon in paints on paper and explains it to his shop staff. He supervises the work as it done in the hot glass shop.

  152. 152.

    NotMax

    March 21, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    @PurpleGirl

    A little surprising is how many successful film directors had only one working eye.

  153. 153.

    Cervantes

    March 21, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    I just tried to convey this series of comments to my husband, but I was laughing so hard I couldn’t talk.

    Plus if you combine a centaur and the Minotaur, then half the time you get a normal human being.

  154. 154.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    March 21, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    @NotMax:

    Andre de Toth, director of “House of Wax” and other 3D films of the 1950s, had only one eye.

  155. 155.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 21, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    @muddy: One day, some years ago, I was sitting in a hospital waiting room waiting for my wife to come out of surgery. They were showing a “Say Yes To The Dress!” Marathon. I was there for five hours.

    I now know more about wedding dresses than Vera Wang.

  156. 156.

    opiejeanne

    March 21, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    @Culture of Truth: Wow.

    So, the shoppers should be wearing hard hats too. I’ll have to dig out my husband’s and wear it next time I stroll through looking for hardware and stuff.

  157. 157.

    Elizabelle

    March 21, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    The Washington Post, front page now. Giving UNG a run for the money:

    Camp David just isn’t Obama’s kind of retreat
    Juliet Eilperin

    Many of his predecessors saw the retreat as a presidential refuge, but he prefers more urban pursuits.

    Urban. Uh huh.

    Actually, it’s a well written story, but had to laugh at the shorthand.

    Kudos to the WaPost for this:

    Shortly after Obama took office, his top aides identified Camp David as a setting that could be used to forge legislative deals …. But since the retreat often ranks as the last resort in any negotiation, and Republicans showed little interest in backing the administration’s most ambitious proposals, there was no opportunity to use it.

  158. 158.

    Cervantes

    March 21, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    @Lurking Canadian:

    It may be an ordeal but their calling it a “Marathon” is just wrong.

  159. 159.

    Bill Arnold

    March 21, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    Try the plot line to Jericho.

    Thanks. Never watched Jericho, but the plot line does seem like it could be a source for the SC crazy lady’s ideas. Has anybody asked her?
    Edit found a snopes article that probably describes the source.

  160. 160.

    Older

    March 21, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @NotMax: And the other half of the time, you get something gnu.

  161. 161.

    Older

    March 21, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    @Cervantes: and the other half of the time, you get something gnu.

  162. 162.

    Older

    March 21, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    Oops.

  163. 163.

    Cervantes

    March 22, 2015 at 6:59 am

    @Older:

    !

  164. 164.

    Sloegin

    March 22, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Would have been a much better picture on the cover of the catalog if it showed the race start instead of the finish.

    You know, the one where the white dudes starting chocks are set 20 yards closer to the finish line.

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