NBC has fired Donald Trump for basically being an asshole.
The only bad thing about this that you better prepare yourself for wingnuts loudly and proudly demonstrating they don’t know how the First Amendment works.
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NBC has fired Donald Trump for basically being an asshole.
The only bad thing about this that you better prepare yourself for wingnuts loudly and proudly demonstrating they don’t know how the First Amendment works.
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BGinCHI
If they start firing the assholes on TV there is going to be a spike in unemployment claims.
Countdown til Trump claims he fired them.
raven
Xin Loi motherfucker.
dedc79
I’m sure TLC is already working on the paperwork for a new Trump reality show.
? Martin
Just a reminder – 6 black churches have burned in 4 states in the last week. I’ll give you 11 guesses which 4 states.
More proof that racism in the US is a thing of the past, and that flags are heritage but churches are not.
Amir Khalid
i guess The Donald is now free to file his candidacy papers and really run for President. Which he might as well do, now that he doesn’t have his day job anymore.
dmsilev
I mentioned yesterday that I actually saw a Trump for President supporter in the wild (well, at LAX, which kinda qualifies as ‘in the wild’). Judging by what I overheard, the bloviation is what attracts people.
Kropadope
@dmsilev:
They’re out there. During the 2012 election, the pharmacist I worked for was torn between Trump and Chris Christie.
Mike J
As always, XKCD is educational. The hover text is, “I can’t remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you’re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express.”
Tommy
I am kind of surprised it took this long for it to happen.
MobiusKlein
@dmsilev: There are Lyndon LaRouche folks passing out literature in downtown SF today, complete with Obama in Hitler Mustache mode.
It’s a crazy world out there.
ruemara
It was cool when he said things about black people, but touching the third rail of Hispanics and the Univision contracts was death to him. Sure. What were the ratings for The Celebrity Apprentice, again?
muddy
@dmsilev: @Kropadope: I know one guy who was very much in favor when he ran the last time. Said he couldn’t hardly wait to vote for him. This poor guy had a barn fall on him and he’s not right in the head anymore – not that he was the sharpest previous. He also will cover himself in green body paint and run around int he village because he thinks kids like The Hulk. Scares the crap out of the kids, and he doesn’t get why people don’t hire him for birthday parties.
dedc79
A few days ago K-Lo wrote on the Corner that some newspaper’s decision not to publish any more Op-Eds criticizing gay marriage was an infringement of free speech. Even some of the National Review commenters had to acknowledge that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
Tommy
@ruemara: The ratings where middle of the road if that. I am sure the show made money, if for no other reason then the direct tie in with products featured on the show, but willing to bet NBC isn’t all that worried about losing the show. Like I said in another comment I am really surprised it took this long.
Culture of Truth
[ Nelson Muntz voice ] “Ha Ha”
Poopyman
I hope they really told him face to face “Yuh fiyud”.
Mike J
Note to hedline editors: “NBC to Trump: You’re Fired” is the most predictable, least clever hed you can write. Please try to be better than that. John Cole has shown you the way.
Poopyman
For a moment there I had a thought that my last comment was over the top too mean.
But then it passed.
Tommy
Wonder if Trump is gong to sue Comcast/NBCUniversial.
Kropadope
@muddy:
Sorry, couldn’t let that go.
? Martin
@Mike J: Agreed. I’d have gone with:
“NBC Fires Presumed Rapist and Drug Smuggler, Trafficker of Teenage Women”
? Martin
@Tommy: He’ll threaten to, but then not do it. He never sues – he always threatens.
fuckwit
@Kropadope: Not too surprising to see them in competition for the loudmouth-asshole vote.
trollhattan
@muddy:
Putting the “Boo!” back in Boo Radley.
Poopyman
@? Martin: “Trump’s Bottom Line Too Low for NBC”
Kropadope
@fuckwit: Surprisingly enough, the pharmacist himself was rather friendly and even-tempered.
Tommy
@? Martin: I would say that is spot on. I kind of wonder how you can have a show in 2015, that is really just based on one person, and not have some “moral” clause in their contract. As often as famous people do stupid shit these days it would seem to be a boilerplate in every contract.
Poopyman
@muddy: Is this your village idiot? Man, I thought that job description was just about extinct.
Tree With Water
Only assholes would have hired that asshole in the first place. They just happen to run a network. A plague on them all..
beltane
@Poopyman: Muddy is from Vermont, where the village idiot tradition has been lovingly preserved. Every town has at least one.
different-church-lady
@Mike J:
Headline writers to Mike J: “Yeah, that’s our job. What’s your point?”
Tommy
Funny Trump story. My mother is a huge fan of Celebrity Apprentice and thinks Trump is this amazing businessperson. I got sick of hearing about it so I forwarded her a Time Magazine article that outlined in detail the four bankruptcies his companies filed. She was blown away. I think she said to me, “how do you lose money running a casino?” I was like that is a very, very good question and kind of my point :)!
Poopyman
@beltane: Here in Maryland our idiots have been known to fall off barn roofs, but having a barn fall on you is a flash of idiot brilliance. I think we must concede that Vermont has superior village idiots.
Rosalita
There’s one where I work too, said “wouldn’t it be great if Donald Trump was our president?” I have to venture to guess it’s cluelessness.
trollhattan
@Poopyman:
The Yakov Smirnoff punch line is too darn obvious.
Tommy
@Tree With Water: Amen to that. I watched it for a few years because it was one of my mother’s favorite programs and gave us something to talk about other than the weather and the St. Louis Cardinals.
I found many things about the show sad and depressing. But close to the top of the list was it seemed if you were honest and not willing to stab people in the back, well you were getting fired.
I would say that is very telling about Trump.
muddy
@Kropadope: Ok, that is an archaic local usage which is not very nice. I ought not say it online.
Locally it would be more acceptable to say it the original way, you’ll have to take my word on that part.
Face
THIS is what lead them to conclude he was an asshole? Must be a lot of seeing-eye dogs at NBC headquarters.
Kropadope
@muddy:
Sorry, is my Masshole showing?
different-church-lady
@trollhattan: “In Russia, idiot lose village”?
Poopyman
@Rosalita: You have to remember that half the population is of below-average intelligence. I’d guess that, oh, 47% of voters are hopeless.
muddy
@trollhattan: He had business cards printed out for the birthday party business, he pressed many of them on me to hand out. He put an apostrophe with every S regardless of position. I was surprised they printed it like that, but he’s very overbearing so I can see where they wouldn’t want to argue about it.
Scared the hell out of me one night, I was letting the dogs out very late, and kept hearing my name on the wind like a scary children’s tale. Mmmuuuuddyyyyy….. Turned out this guy was watching me and calling out from a nearby barn window way up near the roof.
Rosalita
Sorry, I just have to rant, that the local New York (City) news station had to post on Twitter, Bristol Palin’s sonogram…and rightfully getting grief that it is NOT news…I mean, WTF?
Bobby B.
I predict Trump will join David Gregory on a Pundit Panel on NBC’s “Meet The Press” representing conservative viewpoints.
muddy
@Kropadope: Silly Flatlander, Jeezum Crow.
beltane
@muddy: Given his history, he might want to stay away from barns.
Tommy
@Poopyman: Yes there is that. I will never forget in Journalism class, on the first day, we were told to write to an 8th-grade level. I always found that very sad.
Poopyman
@Poopyman: Not permitted to edit my own comment? Really?
Of course, John Rogers’ “27%” fable directly addresses this issue, and puts the number that much lower. I’m basing mine on Mitt’s results.
muddy
@Poopyman: He got a hefty settlement out of it, thus putting him in funds to buy kazillion tubes of body paint.
Weirdly, or maybe this is part of the reason why he loves Trump, he looks *a lot* like him. The smile is dead on. This guy has normal hair though. Even the brain damaged know better than to sport that look.
gogol's wife
@MobiusKlein:
In line at the bank, the wispy young man in front of me was wearing a T-shirt that read, “NRA: Families, Guns, and Freedom — Welcome to My World.” I almost hurled.
Poopyman
@beltane: Barns might want to stay away from him!
Punchy
What’s so wrong with what Trump said? Aren’t all Hispanics associated with enjoying arepas?
Tommy
@Rosalita: Wow. My local news stations are terrible, flat out terrible, but even they wouldn’t run that story.
BTW: Would somebody please send the lady some condoms for heaven sakes!
KG
ugh, Rand Paul is taking the “let’s just get government out of marriage because marriage is just a contract anyway” line today. yes, because government and the law has nothing at all to do with contracts. and it’s not like there’s 1200 federal (and I’m guessing exponentially more at the state level) laws/regulations that are affected by marital status. yup, throwing a tantrum and saying “NO MORE GOVERNMENT MARRIAGES” is totally the reasonable thing to do here.
muddy
@beltane: Ha! But how else are you going to spy on neighbors and scare them half to death at midnight? Too dark to see the body paint.
trollhattan
@muddy:
Whoa. I’d be constantly wondering how long merely being creepy was sufficient for him?
MomSense
@gogol’s wife:
I really want to say something when I see shirts like that but I admit I’m intimidated. Why are we forced to be in that world? I don’t feel safer with guns. And how are we supposed to tell the difference between good guys with guns and bad guys with guns?
KG
@MomSense: the bad guys with guns wear black hats, the good guys wear white hats… just like God and John Wayne intended?
JPL
Texas abortion facilities can stay open!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for now anyway.
Brachiator
How did this bit of Supreme Court news get missed?
Tommy
@MomSense: I will never understand it. I often want to say something as well, but I never do. What I don’t understand is all the open carry people. I live in a rural area. I am willing to bet more guns per capita than most places in this nation.
I’ve never seen a single person carry a firearm in public. Not once and honestly if I did it would freak me the fuck out.
Hungry Joe
I’ve never been comfortable with the expression “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.” More often than not I’d prefer that the door hit somebody’s ass on the way out. So why warn him?
“Hey Donald — you’re fired. And don’t let … ” [voice trails off]
“Don’t let what?”
“Nothing. Never mind.”
See?
Kropadope
@JPL:
White and black…hats…?
muddy
@trollhattan: It was pretty bothersome for a while. He told me once how he had a doctor’s appt and then was coming right home to have sex. He was living with his sister and niece. I wasn’t sure why he was announcing it to me unless he thought I was going to be involved somehow. Various other things along that line. I became obsessed with locking the doors and windows (not usually needed here) and told the dogs how I felt about him.
Luckily he got into another living situation and is filling the idiot position in a nearby town. I don’t often see him now. He visits his sister sometimes and I do my best not to “notice” so as not to get into conversation there.
KG
@Kropadope: it’s an old western movie trope (in the days of black and white film). the good guys invariably wore white hats, the bad guys black hats.
Mike J
@Hungry Joe: Perhaps they’re worried about damage to the door.
Germy Shoemangler
Back in the early 1980s I read the village voice. I liked the wild and woolly political coverage, Jules Feiffer’s cartoons and of course the sex ads in the back.
I remember they did a whole series on Trump, and what surprised me was that they found out the long list of prescription medications he was on. (I think this info came out during a divorce proceeding?) Pills for insomnia, for anxiety, for all sorts of stuff like that.
Kropadope
FYWP ate this twice…
I know about the trope, I was just suggesting that using hats as an indicator is, well, old-hat. My comment was also intended to start speculation regarding what a contemporary sheriff may use to distinguish a good guy with a gun from a bad guy with or without a gun that may or may not be real.
Mandalay
@? Martin:
Lindsey Graham on that flag on June 19:
Lindsey Graham on that flag on June 28:
Utterly shameless.
nominus
I’ve seen a few of them go somewhere along the lines of “yeah, well they still have Sharpton, when are they getting rid of him?”
I’m trying to figure out just WTF it is with these people, any time you call them on some bullshittery, their first response is “but what about…________?” FFS, didn’t your mommas teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right?
Tommy
@Germy Shoemangler: I had not heard about all the pills but Trump is a mess on multiple different levels. His divorces have been pretty ugly and I have to believe there are a lot of undiscovered skeletons in his closet.
If he stays high in the polls and other candidates start some oppo research, this could get very interesting very quickly.
Richard mayhew
@dedc79: he has not allegedly diddled any kids, so TLC won’t be interested
Kropadope
@KG: I’m familiar with the trope, but hats are old-hat. Color coded identification of good v. bad guys has moved on to other features.
FYWP ate two much better versions of this.
Hungry Joe
@Tommy: I was a journalist (large newspaper) for 20+ years and I never once was told to write at such-and-such (sixth-grade, eighth-grade) level … and I wouldn’t have known how to do it anyway. I’ve heard that editors at some joints now have software that dumbs down reporters’ prose, but I don’t know anyone who’s experienced it.
I never took a journalism class, but I don’t doubt that some meathead j-school profs push that idea. A j-school prof once came to the paper and gave workshops on writing. At mine, the first thing he said was “My goal is to eliminate dashes and italics. No respectable journalist should use them.” I walked out.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Realizing you were out of the loop, so to speak, with health issues, he already had filed the paperwork prior to this new wrinkle.
Trentrunner
I eagerly await that tipping point moment when/if THE MEDIA believe Trump has graduated from Another Sideshow Freak Candidate to Viable Serious Candidate…
…and then they start looking into his real estate dealings, bankruptcies, beauty pageants, serial marriages…
Trump’s press conferences then will be AWESOME.
Tree With Water
@MomSense: You don’t feel safe around a lot of guns and people because it’s an inherently dangerous situation. Which is why I’ve concluded open carry states and jurisdictions are setting themselves up for worlds of hurt, in human terms and their own economies long term health. However, I also think the people in those states will come to their senses sooner or later. It can’t be too soon.
Tommy
@Hungry Joe: That was how it was told to us. I have a MA in Journalism, but it was really Mass Communications. I was just the last class to graduate where it was a Journalism degree and not Mass Communications.
But I did have to take a few Journalism classes and frankly if I had ever wanted to be a Journalist they would have made me change my mind. I hated what I was taught. We were taught to write at a 6-8th grade reading level. Always had to present both sides even if you knew one side was lieing to your face.
All the things I think are wrong with Journalism was pounded into my head it was just the way it was done.
mai naem mobile
@Brachiator: ugh, ive been looking for news on that. I’m assuming this means the case is going in front of the USSC. I’m worried this is going to overturn Roe.v Wade. I’m.beginning to think next year is going to be as good for the cons as this one for the liberals.
JPL
@mai naem mobile: Kennedy voted with the minority to keep the clinics open.
I think that is good news.
gogol's wife
@MomSense:
I wanted to say something so badly. Here we are in the state where Sandy Hook happened, and he’s wearing that abomination around where decent people can see it.
Tommy
@mai naem mobile: I will just say this about the anti-choice people. They sure are “creative” in their methods to try to basically outlaw something that is legal.
gogol's wife
@Hungry Joe:
LOL
NotMax
@Hungry Joe
Alternatively, I walked – determinedly – out.
;)
(At one time sciribbled for the press, both print and TV, myself. The only thing that really got my best journo prof’s goat and was a cardinal no-no in his book – he had been a longtime and respected AP bureau chief – was beginning an article with a question.)
Kropadope
@Tommy:
Just imagine if all these A-holes applied that brain power to something worthwhile.
Brachiator
@mai naem mobile:
from one news report:
Tommy
@Kropadope:
Believe it or not I have thought that same thing more than once. Rachel Maddow is who I go to keep up with all the stuff they are trying. I often think my gosh that is “elegantly evil” in both its purpose and intent.
Brachiator
NPR News summary of Supreme Court Texas abortion case:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/29/418640904/supreme-court-puts-hold-on-abortion-law-in-texas
Tommy
@Brachiator: I don’t mean to be a downer and clearly I am pro-choice in every way possible, but I am not really sure how the SCOTUS can overturn these laws that are popping up in states trying to restrict if not ban abortion in a roundabout manner.
I hate to say it, but it would seem the states are well within their rights to pass laws that say a doctor has to have admitting rights at a hospital or the hallways this width.
Maybe there is a legal expert here that will tell me I am totally wrong, and I hope I am, but again I am not sure how there is a legal way around it.
smintheus
Speaking of assholes, the Boston Bruins just traded to acquire Zac Rinaldo, as big an asshole as there is in the NHL. A fan since the ’60s, but I’m embarrassed for them now.
? Martin
@Tommy: Because women have a right to privacy with her doctor on medical issues that the states cannot usurp through arbitrary roundabout measures. Why do you think California funded a study that led to expanded abortion rights by allowing non-physicians to perform many treatments – because you don’t need admitting rights to gives someone a pill. Hell, you don’t even need to be a doctor or be in the same state with the person. California did that to provide expertise from the medical community that all of these laws are arbitrary with the specific intent of denying women a right that the Supreme Court has established.
OzarkHillbilly
@gogol’s wife: Too bad you didn’t hurl… all over him.
J.D. Rhoades
@Kropadope:
Trump is there to make Christie look like a mensch.
Assholes want someone just like them for President.
Mike J
@Tommy: There are plenty of other clinics that do outpatient procedures that don’t have to follow the same rules.
Tommy
@? Martin: I hope you are right and I am both wrong and/or clueless, but I fear I am neither.
This is just one of so many topics I am clueless about. I live in a pretty blue state and even a more blue district. There is a Planned Parenthood around the corner, in a pretty upscale community, from where my brother and his wife live. A huge facility in a strip mall.
There is nobody outside protesting. Heck it just almost doubled in size when the business next door closed and they took over the space. I am near it a lot visiting my brother and there is an Outback next door I frequent, and the place is always very busy.
Clearly the vast majority of people are going for basic reproductive care, not abortions.
It is a VERY GOOD thing it is there. And everytime I drive by I think to myself why can’t other people in this nation have NICE stuff like I do?
Tommy
@Mike J: And that might be the only legal angle I can see being used. I am not a lawyer clearly, but if somehow you can rule on “intent” then you have something. Anybody with half a mind knows the intent here is clear. But I don’t think you can rule on intent can you?
OzarkHillbilly
@Tommy: If there is no medical reason for the requirements, in theory, yes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
one of my father’s cronies– not a friend, my dad’s disliked this guy since Roosevelt’s third term, if not his second, friend-of-a-friend thing– plans to vote for Trump and hopes he wins. They didn’t get in to the wherefores, but I’m pretty confident its that he’s rich, so he must know how to fix the economy, and all that racist rhetoric on immigration tickles the old mans sweet spot
NotMax
Talking on the phone with Mom (she’s 87, lives in NYC environs) this past weekend, happened to mention Trump.
Her response? “Ugh. Don’t even say his name. Just hearing it makes me sick.”
Tommy
@OzarkHillbilly: My understanding is when Kansas and Texas passed these laws they were all looking at a totally flawed, non-peer reviewed study that indicated there were far more medical concerns with abortion then we understood. Therefore these laws were warranted.
I am asking because I honestly don’t know, but can the SCOTUS look at this study and say it is wrong, the other 99% say the exact opposite?
Kay
The GSA signed a 60 year lease with Donald Trump for the Old Post Office:
Tommy
@Kay: WTF. WTF. I used to live on Capital Hill a few blocks from the Old Post Office. One of the more stunning buildings in DC. Right up there with the Capital, Union Station, and the Library of Congress.
How the hell are we turning the darn thing into a hotel and selling off our government buildings?
Brachiator
@Tommy:
Let’s say you couldn’t get a flu shot, or a measles vaccine, or have a broken arm treated unless the “hallways this width.”
Tommy
@Tommy: Whoops. I was thinking of the old Post Office next to Union Station, not this building but it is still a wonderful place.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Dog whistles are okay, hog calls are too obvious
I saw Trump’s statement, he’s much calmer about it than I would have thought. He expects to come back, and I’ll bet he does
OzarkHillbilly
@Tommy:
Yes. It’s called ‘evidence’. Of course, in Shelby they looked at all the mountains of evidence of historical discrimination on voting rights and said, “That doesn’t matter. Racism is dead.”
opiejeanne
@Hungry Joe: he was probably against the Oxford comma too.
*shakes fist at the sky*
Roger Moore
@Tommy:
I think the way it would work is that they would say that those laws are unnecessarily restricting a constitutionally protected right. Remember that courts, including the Supreme Court, are triers of fact as well as of law. They can look at the actual effects of a law and question the claimed motivation for passing it and decide for themselves if it is reasonable. For example, they could compare abortion to other outpatient medical procedures with a similar level of risk. Because those other procedures don’t have the same restrictions, they could reasonably conclude that the rules on abortion clinics are in impermissible attempt to restrict access to abortion.
PurpleGirl
@Tommy: I’m not a doctor but I am a woman who has had to consider a lot of medical information related to pregnancy and abortion. Believe me when I say I doubt that study. Pregnancy is a highly difficult condition, has lots of hidden traps, is not all that easy or without problems. Actually abortion is a lot safer than bringing a pregnancy to term.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think this tweet gets to the heart of Trump, the GOP and immigration
LOLGOP @ LOLGOP Jun 28
The GOP’s problem is Trump doesn’t just agree with all the GOP big policies, he explains the embarrassing subtext about why he does.
Tommy
@Roger Moore: That would be my gut as I think about it in more detail than I have in the past. But I think these folks are so against abortion if that is how the court rules they will just pass the same rules for all outpatient care.
Kay
@Tommy:
Obviously we need more luxury hotels :)
Have to ramp up production to meet demand.
OzarkHillbilly
@PurpleGirl:
Pro lifers everywhere would say, “NOT FOR THE BABY!!!!!”
trollhattan
O/T but since we’re having one of those “This day in American assholes” days.
Nice work, guys. But hey, I bet y’all can afford bottled water in perpetuity, so never mind those who can’t.
OzarkHillbilly
@Tommy: Something tells me the healthcare industry would fight that.
Tommy
@OzarkHillbilly: Yes it would be an all-out battle. Got to have that mole removed, Botox, breast enhancements, a facelift.
OzarkHillbilly
@trollhattan: Something tells me the city wins this one at the first hearing.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Tommy: They’re spinning up to take out gay marriage next, and they think they’ve got a good shot at it because we never fought them on abortion. We kept compromising instead.
They can keep this shit up for as long as it takes. Can we? Because they are up for eternal war.
Botsplainer
Aaaand at Breitbart…..
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/01/29/vladimir%20putin-america-is-godless-turns-away-from-christian-values/
Tommy
@trollhattan: Do other people have this. Once a year my little town tests our tap water via the EPA and then sends every household the results.
I am happy to report my tap water is as clean as tap water can get. I am borderline germaphobe and something of a foodie. I don’t pause for a second to drink from the tap.
It is so nice not to have to pay for filters and just know the water coming into my house is clean.
Culture of Truth
@Tommy: I used to work in the Old Post Office. Magnificent. What a travesty.
srv
Yawn, as we begin the 4th decade of people predicting Trump is over.
You can’t keep successful people down. You just make them stronger.
Hungry Joe
@NotMax: Never beginning an article with a question is one of those hard-and-fast rules in journalism … for no particular reason. Somebody said it once, and it caught on; now everybody just obeys it. It’s foolishness. When done properly (and infrequently) (and well) it can be very effective.
@opiejeanne: The style book at the paper (I think it was the Chicago Manual, but it might have been AP — I wasn’t a copy editor and didn’t care) did not allow the Oxford comma, so I got used to not using it. Was happy to re-employ it after I left.
srv
@Tommy:
And you people say Trump doesn’t have any good taste.
bemused
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Oh wow, that’s just what he is doing.
OzarkHillbilly
@CONGRATULATIONS!: I hope they do. They certainly think it will be a winning strategy. But abortion is not the same as gay marriage. The same tactics will not work.
The gay is out of the closet. Every one knows someone who is gay, from uncle Fred to that nice young man who lives across the street and helps with the groceries to the sweet older women who takes her grandchildren to the park to play with your children. People aren’t threatened by the Gay anymore. They see them every day, they like them.
Abortion is different. Nobody likes abortion, even when they are having one because it is the right thing to do. The vast majority of Americans realize that abortion should be a safe and legal procedure available to all women at least up to some point (which is squishy), but they still don’t like it.
Question: How many women do know who have had an abortion? I am certain that I know at least one, but I have no idea who it might be.
Because abortion is still in the closet.
And that is the conundrum. It is an entirely private matter that is nobody’s business but the woman’s and her doctor’s. She has every right to keep that entirely to herself. And as long as women in general do that, the vast majority of voters will continue to feel uncomfortable about the subject.
Redshift
@BGinCHI:
Yep. About a day after Univision cancelled the Miss Universe contract, Trump was publicly claiming that their executives had called him to apologize.
The number of statements of “fact” in his campaign announcement speech that were really obviously just made up was impressive, even by wingnut standards.
Tommy
@Culture of Truth: It is just sad. Before I moved to DC I had been there a few times as a tourist. We went to this building or that building.
Then I lived there for 15+ years and friends would come to town. I am like we are not going to all those places on your list, that is where tourist go. We are going to the National Building Museum and Union Station. We will see the only Leonardo da Vinci in the US. The main reading room at the Library of Congress. The National Shakespeare Museum. The sculpture garden at the Hirshhorn.
They’d leave saying “hey we never got to the Air and Space Museum.” I was like no, no we didn’t but you had a good time didn’t you. I always got a resounding YES in response!
Kay
Good piece about Jeb Bush and his sketchy private sector career:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/jeb-bush-dogged-by-decades-of-questions-about-business-deals/2015/06/28/0138223c-edb7-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html?wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1
PurpleGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: Not if we’re talking about ectopic pregnancies, a mother who develops gestational diabetes and hypertension, or any number of genetic conditions which cause the fetus to die in utero. The mothers won’t be well and neither will be the fetuses and babies.
(But I know you’re snarking me and that’s how I’d answer a forced birther.)
opiejeanne
@trollhattan: those people only live there because they can’t afford Tracy. They are not rich, not by that region’s standards. I don’t think they’re even middle class, but they are very short-sighted. Voting against their own interests? Sounds familiar.
We knew people who commuted to the Bay Area to work; they lived in the first tract in Dixon in the 90s. Before that it was a wide spot on the road to Davis, with biker bars.
OzarkHillbilly
@Tommy: When I lived in Bourbon, it was not unusual to turn on the tap and get muddy water. Once when I was paying the water bill, I mentioned they might want to come up with some kind of alert system to warn residents that things got ‘funky’. The lady looked at me like I had ostriches coming out of my ears.
Roger Moore
@Tommy:
They would find that to be a very bad idea. The whole point of the rules is to be so unreasonable that they make abortion unnecessarily difficult and ruinously expensive. Doing the same for all outpatient care would make all outpatient care in the state unnecessarily difficult and ruinously expensive, which even most of the Republicans won’t want to do.
Gin & Tonic
@Botsplainer: Russia has the world’s highest divorce rate and has more abortions than live births. Some “Christian values.”
trollhattan
@Tommy: .
Yup, the federal Clean Water Act requires public water systems to test and report on their water for a suite of contaminants and taste and odor components. Don’t know how common it is to send lab results to the customers; mine just posts them on line for folks to access on their own. In California, either the US or Cal EPAs can get involved when there are serial violations; hence the $10k/day potential fines for failing to meet mandated improvements. No word from those Dixon anti-tax asshats as to who they think ends up paying the fines. Maybe it’s okay if not technically a “tax.”
I’ve given up figuring these people out.
OzarkHillbilly
@PurpleGirl: Yeah… I know that, you know that….
Bubblegum Tate
@Hungry Joe:
I like Mom from Futurama‘s approach: “Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out–because I don’t want your ass prints on my new door!”
fuckwit
@OzarkHillbilly: I agree. I don’t know what the abortion statistics are but I suspect many more women have had abortions than are gay, for example, and so every one of us probably knows a few… we just don’t know it because it’s not something they’re going to wear a button to celebrate.
Since Stonewall there has been a culture of gay people being proudly OUT. There is no abortion pride parade. nor would one be advised.
trollhattan
@opiejeanne:
And sheep! (Which could explain the biker bars, but I’m not goin’ there.)
opiejeanne
@Hungry Joe: ARRGH!
I know you’ve seen the hilarious examples of when and why to use it.
Tommy
@srv: Oh he will somehow fuck it up. The Old Post Office and GSA has tried everything possible to make money. They have not.
This was years ago but when I lived in DC there was a vendor on the first floor. Of all things, and this was a Post Office at one point, he framed stamps. He did them justice, His framing was off the charts. I bought so much stuff from him, heck my entire kitchen and dining room is his frame stamps.
The center piece for all of his stuff is what he did for the Mars Pathfinder. It is rare somebody comes to my house and doesn’t pause to look at those stamps.
OzarkHillbilly
@fuckwit: My mother, a devout Catholic** conservative (until Bush II) used to volunteer at Birthright. She told me that on more than one occasion she had counseled women to get abortions because it really was their only option.
** I now have doubts about the devout part. She was a convert, who when I asked her if she wanted a Priest, she just shook her head ‘No.’ but that was many years after her time at Birthright.
Tommy
@trollhattan: My little rural town is kind of unique I think. We buy our power through a co-op of other small towns. My city bills me directly for power, water, sewage, and trash pickup. Only gas isn’t provided. With my monthly bill, and it is all on one bill, my city sends me a lot of other info. The EPA report is just one of them. Seem it might be a model for other towns.
Brachiator
@Kay:
Just the leadership quality one wants in a president.
This “I was ignorant and innocent” would get anyone else laughed out of town. Jeb! is so lucky that he is a patrician white guy.
opiejeanne
@OzarkHillbilly: God bless the nurses at Kaiser. When I had my last baby there was that awful law that required a survey to determine how many women had had an abortion. I knew about it but was still stunned by the question.
I asked if I was required to answer and the nurse who had this hideous task smiled and told me I didn’t.
The Republicans in California were ramping up to prosecute doctors who had performed abortions and possibly women who had had them. There was a sense of panic and some doctors said they were prepared to purge their files if necessary.
I know of three women who have had an abortion, and possibly more that never mentioned it.
ETA make that four.
Tommy
@opiejeanne: Wait a second you were asked, after giving birth, if you had an abortion in the past? WTF at like 10,000 times. That is remotely legal?
JPL
@opiejeanne: I old enough to know at least three and this was before it was legal, but overseas abortions were accessible.
OzarkHillbilly
@opiejeanne: And it is none of my business.
danielx
If being an asshole was all that offensive to NBC, they never would have given Trump a contract in the first place. Being an asshole is what he does and who he is. No, this breakup was due to a threat of revenue reduction, with a side of executive heartburn due to the prospect of all the brown people taking their munnies and going elsewhere.
cmorenc
@Kropadope:
Lots of wingnuts are actually nice, caring people in individual face-to-face interactions – so long as your situation with them doesn’t hit one of their electrified wingnut political rails, and short out in a shower of hot sparks.
jimmiraybob
Of course they don’t know anything about the Constitution. Duh. That’s why I’d use the handy “invisible hand of the free market” argument as a reply. Of course, “invisible hand,” as originally used by Adam Smith, doesn’t mean what the wingnuts think it does either. They really know nothing so may as well confound them with their own bullshit……I mean, b*llsh#t.
opiejeanne
@Tommy: see Anaheim.
Elie
@PurpleGirl:
And by the way, evacuating a uterus at beyond 16 weeks is technically difficult. If the fetus has died, it is even more difficult and it takes skillful and experienced medical care to do safely. The uterus at 16 weeks is very thin. After 16 wks one must induce labor on a very unfavoracle cervix and uterus. This can take days and once you are committed there is no going back. There is risk for both infection, hemorrhage and loss of the uterus and the mother’s life. Diabetes and hypertension are two possible causes of intrauterine fetal death, but by no means the only condition. Kidney disease, thyroid disease, severe illness or trauma with shock to Mom — all can result in fetal death and managing can lead to maternal complications and mortality.
One of the worst outcomes of this whole thing is that in some states, doctors are not receiving the requisite experience to handle some of these not infrequent scenarios. Bad all around.. so these so called “Christians” can impose their faith on everyone else. Indeed, rescuing a mother after the fetus has already died in utero is not about “abortion”, but the skills needed to do late term abortions are essential to high risk obstetric medical practice.
Tommy
@opiejeanne: Happy story.
My grandfather was a small, rural doc. He was known as the “baby doctor” because he delivered more than 4,700 of them over 50 years, myself included. He was also a racist prick.
After he passed away in the mid-80s I was kind of down about on the guy. My father told me I shouldn’t be so hard on him. He did a lot of things as a liberal I would be proud of.
Seems he his took his oath seriously.
Back before Roe v. Wade it wasn’t even a hidden secret you could get an abortion at his office, no questions asked. No judgement. He also never turned anybody away. That distant aunt that came by with a cake or fried chicken when you were over. They were not your aunt or uncle. They were just paying him the only way they could.
I still hate his was a racist man, I will never understand it, but it did do some good.
Botsplainer
@Tommy:
In a decent world, that info would in fact be relevant to a medical history, but we know why legislatures mandate the collection of such data.
Also, in a decent world, I can see how abortion services should likely be performed in a facility established under the same standards as an ambulatory outpatient center (I’m super risk averse and see all kinds of disasters as a part of my personal makeup), but again, I know how such regs would be used.
Culture warriors are why nice things always elude us as a nation.
opiejeanne
@Tommy: it was eventually thrown out. It was a “survey” you see, We (anti-choice legislators) just want to know how many women have had them.
trollhattan
@Tommy:
re. The above, I should have written Safe Drinking Water Act.
Sounds like your town is rather forward-thinking. Good for them/you. When the SDWA was reauthorized it was altered to capture much smaller, i.e., rural water systems exempted from the original act. The organization I worked for at the time helped rural communities form cooperatives to organize their efforts and share costs. Ten towns and water districts contracting with a testing lab and hiring a circuit rider to conduct the sampling is hugely more cost-effective. Some would combine water systems or cooperate and build new regional systems, where existing systems were inadequate or the source water was too contaminated to treat.
Newly dry wells due to our four-year drought are a whole other kettle of dried fish.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
I don’t know about that. Some people really are ignorant and innocent, so I can’t ignore the possibility that JEB! was. But while that may be a plausible legal defense, it doesn’t seem very appealing to me as a voter. I want somebody who is competent enough to pick honest people to work with him. Somebody who’s been repeatedly duped by dishonest business associates lacks the judgment to hold high office.
Elizabelle
Anne’s put up a new thread with an excellent cartoon.
Botsplainer
@Elie:
Whenever somebody starts whinging about late term abortions, I lose it, because in the vast majority of those infrequent cases, those were wanted children, but something profound had gone wrong.
Tommy
@Botsplainer: I would say it is very relevant. But I could see how as a woman you won’t want to give out said info even if it might affect your health care. You are scared to give out what might be relevant medical info because you are concerned how it might be used. If that isn’t fucked up I don’t know what is.
Kay
Juan Cole says “leftist feminist Kurds” are going after ISIL.
I love the photograph.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/210841/are-leftist-feminist-kurds-about-deliver-coup-de-grace-isil-syria#
Botsplainer
Damn, but this was satisfying.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/god-dont-like-ugly-bystanders-laugh-as-trucks-wreck-during-cop-sanctioned-confederate-flag-parade/
Tommy
@trollhattan: My town is very progressive and pretty freaking cool. Last year the co-op we get our power from told us we needed to upgrade our power lines.
We didn’t bitch and moan. We drove poles into the ground and ran cable. Did it all in 8 months. We did hire an outside firm to help, but we did most of it ourselves.
Oh and in the same year we got Federal funds and every government building is directly wired with fiber. I have a fiber backbone in my town!
When I hear large metro areas say they can’t do this or that I laugh at them. I live in a town of under 10,000 people. I am not a suburb. A “stand alone” town. If we can do these things why can’t you?
opiejeanne
@Botsplainer: the question was one of three. How many live births, how many miscarriages, and how many abortions.
It was absolutely stunning to experience, no longer an abstract evil.
Tree With Water
@Botsplainer: The late, great San Franciscan columnist Herb Caen once reprinted a story of two scientists-snowmobilers who managed to collide somewhere in the wastes of the Antarctic. Caen’s only comment was, “Keep those guys off the freeways”.
opiejeanne
Thank you all for being good company. We just got home after 8 days away and two long road trips, and the cat requires my full attention. Now.
PurpleGirl
@Tommy: At the time, it was legal because the rethuglicans had amde it a law. They’ve tried it in a number of states. It’s a threat to doctors, to keep them from performing abortions.
trollhattan
@Kay: Holy cow that article is complicated, trying to unravel the eleventy-dimensional chessmatch being played in that region. My poor, poor brain….Certainly underscores why the administration was hesitant to arm the crap out of the Syrian rebels.
But yeah, ISIS being taken out by leftist, feminist Kurds is something I heartily support. Also, too, Cole description of Daesch: faux caliph, icon of the Muslim far, far right
Kay
@trollhattan:
It is really complicated and I don’t understand it (I hardly ever read foreign policy/war news) but I agree “leftist feminist kurds” throws something new into the mix.
If they prevail we’ll have to portray them as something else, pronto :)
EthylEster
@Kay: Wow. I am out of it. When did Juan Cole start writing for the Nation? He was still at Informed Comment the last time I checked.
Matt McIrvin
@KG: I find that a remarkable number of people on the pro-marriage-equality side are suddenly finding the Libertarian Dismount (John Scalzi’s term for “get the government out of the marriage business”) plausible today, and I don’t know why; I kind of figured it would evaporate once the big question had been resolved. Maybe message discipline just started falling apart the moment the good guys won, or maybe the butthurt squealing is just freaking them out.
Maybe gay marriage is really going to destroy marriage because of these people. Who knew?
Matt McIrvin
(Actually, reading the article in which he originated the term, I find that Scalzi really meant “The Libertarian Dismount” to be a more general term for this type of maneuver: making the thread be about your favorite subject, especially if it’s libertarian.)
Myiq2xu
@? Martin:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/string-fires-predominantly-black-churches-raises-suspicion/story?id=32102943
Myiq2xu
@? Martin:
It’s never been solved. I’m guessing it wasn’t some redneck tea partiers.
Omnes Omnibus
@Myiq2xu: Did someone claim there was an organized campaign of church arson? Some nice straw you’re peddling there.
Omnes Omnibus
@Myiq2xu:
Potok’s comment just a line or two under what you quoted. Just pathetic on your part.
SiubhanDuinne
@Hungry Joe:
I wonder whether that “rule” might have begun because everybody hated Andy Rooney’s signature “Didja ever wonder…?” and “Couldja ever imagine…?” openings for his 60 Minutes commentary thing.
At first (with Rooney) it was kind of curious and quirky, but it quickly became both supremely boring and exquisitely irritating.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SiubhanDuinne: Just listened to a podcast interview with Lewis Black (Brian Koppelman’s the moment), and at the end BK asked if Lew was leaving The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. “No! I’m gonna hang around forever. Like Andy Rooney” I’ll take Lewis Black as my generation’s Andy Rooney.
SiubhanDuinne
@srv:
The anagram of DONALD TRUMP is LAND TURD MOP, which is a fitting description of that thing on his head.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: FTW
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Does any significant percentage of BK’s audience even know who Andy Rooney was? He’s been dead less than four years (that surprised me!) but he had seemed well past his expiration date for a long time prior.
J R in WV
@OzarkHillbilly:
We live on a farm, and have had a drilled well since just a couple of years after buying the place. It has been tested and is good water at pH 8.2 – but we also live in a little oil patch! So when the local water system expanded into the neighborhood, we paid the tap-on fee, and now pay the monthly minimum.
The company line ends next door, about 800 feet from our well, so I bought pipe, dug a trench, and put a water line down to our meter. We get phone tree calls every month or two telling us that there is a boil-water advisory, or that the boil-water advisory is over.
We aren’t turned on at the meter, although we are connected. But we can’t rely on the well because of the fracking etc, and we can’t rely on the water company, because, well, they get water from a river that drains the coal field, or from the WV American Water Company that sucked in chemicals, and was shut down, leaving 300,000 people without potable water.
But we get to pay the minimum monthly bill, whether we draw any water or not. What a pain to not be able to count on your water supply(s)!
smintheus
@efgoldman: Is Cam Neely planning to lace up the boots again? The Bs have gone in one season from President’s Trophy winners to laughingstocks.
gnomedad
Trump’s show was only ever about him being an asshole.
Gian
@Tommy:
late to this game. How many people in your utopia earn a living in the same utopia?
how many drive to job elsewhere?
A guy
Hey cole, u really think its appropriate to call somebody an asshole, even if you think it’s true?