We liberals all hate Trump. Hate hate hate him. He is the worst thing ever. If you vote for him in the GOP primary we will stamp our feet and literal steam will come out of our ears like a defeated leprechaun or something.
Alsotoo – shut up, Paul. We should take it as a given that Trump is eleventy times more serious this time than he was in ’99 when he proposed single payer, gay marriage and a giant tax hike on the rich.
Patricia Kayden
We also hate Palin so we would absolutely super duper hate a Trump/Palin ticket.
Baud
Trump scares me the most.
Snarki, child of Loki
OMFG! Trump/Palin would mean the end of the Democrat Party as we know it!
Please Br’er-GOPer, no, just no.
Botsplainer
Did anybody notice that walking chancre sore Alan Grayson seems to be channeling Trump as well?
MattF
And an actual librul actually says that there are ‘striking similarities’ between Trump and Reagan.
MomSense
@Baud:
At first I thought he was the best thing that ever happened for Democrats in 2016 but it is a bit unsettling to see him gain support this way. I wouldn’t trust a single Republican candidate to dog sit let alone have the codes to the nukes. I just keep thinking back to when my kids were little and the babysitter would show up at the door. If any of the Republican clowns were standing there when I opened the door, I think I would shut it fast, order some take out, and rent a movie.
p.a.
What are Trump’s numbers among likely primary voters? Does he have GOTV machinery? State organizations? Is there any evidence he has put in any effort to build any infrastructure? Can buffoonery and media exposure overcome actual organization. Maybe with 14-ish others running it can.
khead
Run Donald Run. Like Forrest.
Punchy
@p.a.: He’s got a ton of money, a slobbering, synchophantic network (Fox) that gives him endless airtime, and lives and breathes Cleek’s Law in everything he spews. That’s GOP primary gold, Jerry.
debbie
@p.a.:
I’d bet practically all his support is coming from likely primary voters.
Another Holocene Human
@Botsplainer: He needs to go back to work at the circus with his cousin, Dick Grayson.
Another Holocene Human
@MattF: What utility is there is having a heart attack a year early about a fucking walking joke like Trump?
Please proceed, Republicans.
Kay
http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2015/07/non-profit_helping_with_republ.html#incart_m-rpt-1
rikyrah
Larry Sabato @LarrySabato
Go back to Perot ’92 voter profile. Similarities to current Trump backers. If Trump runs as Ind. in fall ’16, GOP in deep trouble.
9:08 PM – 9 Jul 2015
debbie
@Kay:
Yeah, but will they pay for O/T?
Another Holocene Human
Stop stressing about GOP primary voters. We already know that GOP GOTV involves checking off who showed up because a) they’re not very good at it and b) their base is pretty consistent about showing up.
Stress about Dem GOTV. Ours takes time, effort, money, and more time and effort. We have to make calls, update databases, make in person contacts, more calls, more in person contacts, souls to polls, van to polls, frantic voting day reminder house calls ….
We do it, we win. We fuck that up, we’re screwed. America is screwed.
Gene108
@Patricia Kayden:
Trump / Palin would truly unleash the Id.
Another Holocene Human
When your base consists of elderly housebound poor people, single parents, flighty young people with state ID/voter ID issues to resolve, multiple communities in the same town with different primary languages, people without cars, broke people, people working 2, 3, and 4 jobs, etcet, you have to work harder to GOTV.
Another Holocene Human
@Gene108: Palin’s past her sell-by with most conservatives. Looking for someone fresher (fresh meat, hasn’t sat on the counter as long), like Crazy Eyes Ernst.
Another Holocene Human
@Kay: I hope this gets all the press in Ohio.
eta: my wife adds: Cartoon villains
Belafon
@Another Holocene Human: Someone posted here the other day that Clinton already has people in South Carolina canvasing.
Plus, Tim’s trying reverse psychology.
bjacques
George Soros told me just the other day that all of his life’s work could be undone by a Trump presidency.
*That* briar patch over there, the one with the big juicy berries. Please don’t throw me in that one.
Amir Khalid
@p.a.:
Some journalist in the media ought to be busy investigating these things. Not just about Trump but about all the candidates, regardless of party. Org building and leadership should be seen as an important test of a candidate’s presidential ability. I suspect that Trump himself is at best mediocre in this regard.
As for the Donald’s candidacy, let’s hope he keeps on being the bull in the Republican party’s china shop for however long he stays in the race. So far, he has been doing that better than any Democrat would have dared hope.
Another Holocene Human
@Belafon: I get that, I just see people on this thread and the last actually working on giving themselves stress-induced coronaries over this guy.
Just because he is adept at getting big time media coverage for talking trash doesn’t mean it’s time to break open the cyanide capsules.
Just thought we needed a friendly reminder that it isn’t 1980 and politics don’t work that way any more. If you’re going to fret, fret about the only thing that matters. (At this point, it doesn’t even matter that much who’s at the top of the Dem ticket as long as it isn’t somebody like Jim Webb.)
Kay
@debbie:
They would have to pay for overtime under the current rules because the salary was so low. So, the answer is “unless they break the law they have to pay overtime”.
My (admittedly local and anecdotal) impression is more and more crappy employers are ignoring wage and hour laws- partly (I think) it’s because younger people don’t know these laws exist. The employees themselves would be the whistleblowers and they don’t know they have any protections. We need some kind of PSA campaign- “they have to pay you for work”, along those lines.
bystander
@Kay: So, work more hours. Don’t want to work for $5.00 an hour? Work more hours to raise your monthly take to….wait, there’s a $1,000 per month ceiling? Let me call Jeb! for a solution.
bystander
@Kay: Yes, but we are talking about the GOP. Surely, you’re not suggesting that they would grift their very own membership with wage theft.
Another Holocene Human
@Kay:
I have to say I love my people in Gainesville. Employers keep trying to pull that crap on them and they keep organizing unions. The employers are the ones who don’t know the law. I guess they thought between JEB! and GWB and Rick Scott they were good.
PSA is a good idea. Damn good idea.
debbie
@Kay:
Exactly, which is why I hope someone will keep an eye on this. Bad enough no one even thought there might be a negative reaction, but I’m sure someone will think they can dance their way around this and still pay the $5 per hour.
Your PSA idea is good, but who to sponsor it? Not the unions because that’ll just stir up the Right to Work folks.
Another Holocene Human
@Amir Khalid: Don’t you know the test of a candidate is barbecue on the lawn?
mdblanche
Also too, we hate briar patches.
Amir Khalid
@Another Holocene Human:
Really? I should do better at keeping up. When did they change it from favourite drinking buddy?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Me, I only hate him so much because I fear him. Verily he would bring about the collapse of liberalism with his common sense and business experiences.
Kay
@debbie:
The US Department of Labor could sponsor it. Their Twitter feed is full of “these are your rights!” “Rights” are meaningless without knowing they exist or a means of individual enforcement. They make 9 dollars an hour. Are they supposed to sue?
I had this insane conversation where this young man told me he was “trying out for” a dishwasher job. I had to tell him they can’t make you wash dishes for 12 hours and not pay you as a condition of employment. Who is supposed to enforce this? Time is money- his time and my time are just more free labor if we’re the “enforcers”.
Hurling Dervish
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I fear him because he knows capitalism and can use it to make America the classy place it already is. Also, gold. He will singlehandedly crush my dream of setting up a fascist and socialist state with minarets on Capitol Hill.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie:
Fwck the RtW4< folks. They're already sti… my bad, in power.
ShadeTail
@Another Holocene Human: Ted Cruz. He’s a teabagger darling right now. If he and the Donald ran on the same ticket, it would be a right-winger wet dream.
catclub
@p.a.:
I asked the same question in another thread. Apparently the answer is yes. He has hired some people, and more than you would expect for a vanity candidate.
Kay
@catclub:
He hired people who were already in place on the ground working for conservative lobbying groups. “Off the shelf”, which was really pretty smart. He gets trained local people with local contacts. He should cannibalize the Koch operatives next.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
Where I live- admittedly in liberal hellhole California- employers are required to post prominent notices informing employees of their rights. I realize it’s unlikely to happen- or be vigorously enforced if it’s already the law- in Ohio given the current political climate, but that’s an important direction to go.
catclub
@Punchy:
This is both interesting and surprising. I highly respect Roger Ailes abilities (does not mean like them), and am surprised he is letting this happen. One reason may be that he has decided that FOX doing really well is more important than electing GOP president. Still surprising.
Could it be they want to hire Trump?
debbie
@Kay:
The Department of Labor would just be called a tool of the Obama Administration and, by extension, the DNC. Where’s Bill Gates or Warren Buffett??
Just One More Canuck
@Amir Khalid: but his organisation is very classy
feebog
@ShadeTail:
Aint gunna happen. Both of them have egos the size of the Hindenberg. Their egos would not allow them to run in the number two spot.
WaterGirl
@feebog:
I mostly agree with that. The caveat would be whether one of them would be willing to do that, knowing they would have the person in the #1 slot killed after they became president.
boatboy_srq
@Another Holocene Human: Speaking as a regular Dem voter and sometime-soon Dem volunteer, it will help if the Dem GOTV effort shows at least SOME respect for working people and stops shooting itself in the foot doing things like calling us in the middle of the day (when we’re doing the jobs Dem leadership insists are so valuable). I really want to participate in the polling/surveying efforts – but I can’t take personal calls at two in the BLEEPing afternoon on a Tuesday to do that. And I hate telling the pollsters to stop calling me because that’ll be recorded as an absolute “do not call” rather than a “do not call during business hours”. The sense I got from the calls I did receive were very much that “if you’re a Democrat then you must be out of work” – which not only should be manifestly untrue but the untruth of it should be fundamentally understood in the polling methodology and practices.
Goblue72
@Botsplainer: How exactly? He’s a die-hard liberal.
ShadeTail
@feebog: Of course it won’t happen. But realism isn’t the point of Tim F’s post. The point is pushing the GOP’s buttons and taunting them.
Denali
I was impressed with Alan Greyson until I read about his messed up personal life.
rikyrah
@Kay:
UH HUH
UH HUH
thanks for keeping us informed, Kay.
Kay
@debbie:
I don’t think it matters for PSA type information. Political media wouldn’t even be aware of it – they don’t pay any attention to stuff like “wage and hours”
I think the question would be WHERE to advertise. I think it would have to be smart phones. Younger low income people use their phones for everything. If I ask to see a wage statement they hand me their phone – they understand the statement itself but they don’t know enough about the context – what a rip-off looks like.
JustRuss
@ShadeTail: Cruz/Trump, or vice versa, won’t happen. Both have way too much ego to play Veep.
ShadeTail
@JustRuss: See my reply at comment #48.
rikyrah
UMMMMM
The Present First Lady has a program……
she called it LET’S MOVE!!!
……………………………..
Bill Clinton: How we can fight childhood obesity
By Bill Clinton and Nancy Brown
Updated 7:16 PM ET, Tue June 30, 2015
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/30/opinions/clinton-brown-healthy-kids/index.html
rikyrah
@debbie:
THANK YOU.
He IS the GOP primary voter and is singing sweet nothings to them.
It is NOT a ‘sliver’ of the GOP voters who he appeals to.
rikyrah
Oliver Willis @owillis 58m58 minutes ago
nyt says bushes used their christmas card mailing lists to solicit money for jeb’s super pac.
boatboy_srq
@Kay: “Are there no workhouses?”
J R in WV
@Roger Moore:
The tiny neighborhood hardware store (which can order you anything, 8 tons of rebar, tomorrow!) has these signs up. There’s one guy, Hardware Bob, who owns it, and one guy (sidekick Bob) who helps out so owner Bob can take a couple of days off a week.
The signs are on the office door (6x8ft) and in the toilet (unisex storage room 4X6ft).
In Arizona!
donnah
Who needs FOX news when NBC is happily hoisting up the Donald every night? He gets a free pass when they describe him as “controversial” and then they stick a mic under his nose and let him run on. Last night they brought up his “radical” comments about Mexican immigration, then proved his point by interviewing Arizona ranchers who love Trump and confirm every thing he says. No need for political ads; let a national network do it for free.
J R in WV
Regarding Alan Grayson, I think he’s a great Democratic congressman, will make a great Democratic Senator if he wins. He is a (retired) well-to-do lawyer, founder of a successful telecom company. He worked with whistle blowers to make sure they got their well-deserved rewards for busting companies stealing from the government.
He does have a mess in his past personal life, called a messy divorce. He also said the Republican health plan was “don’t get sick,” and “if you do get sick, die quickly.” which got him some attention from Republicans, who hate him, a good reason to help him run right there.
But he works hard for workers, disabled, progressive causes, etc. He had a “Bush Lied: People Died” bumper sticker on his car, which is OK by me. I don’t like it that he had a messy divorce, they seem to have settled their personal affairs by annulling their marriage, which would make their kids feel odd, I would think.
Anyone who shares a progressive liberal attitude and gets elected in Florida is good by me. I’ve even contributed to his campaign at least once, and will probably help his Senate run this cycle.
glory b
@Kay: In POennsylvania, there is a part of the state Department of Labor and Industry called the Wage and Hour Division. They investigate and enforce laws regarding wages, overtime, etc.
I’m pretty sure most other states have an office like this.
PurpleGirl
@J R in WV: Messy divorces are so very common. Look at Trump — Marla Maples was his mistress when he was married to Ivana. Maples was quoted in a newspaper story (in fact as a front page) as saying Trump was the best sex she’d ever had. After being married a few years, they split. He dated around before settling on the current wife, who is/was a model.
Tree With Water
God? Are you listening? Please please please let the Trumpster be digging all the attention so much that he stays in the race to the last primary in the last state.
So help me, Trump reminds me of one of the people in that Twilight Zone episode in which the people’s faces assumed the grotesque shape of the different masks they had been wearing before the clock struck midnight. It’s as if The Donald’s real face had been forced behind a mask of a greedy, egotistical buffoon at birth. Plastic surgery not being an option once the inmost becomes the outmost and finds imprint in a person’s features, and his fate was sealed.
Jeffro
@feebog: No, but Cruz can and likely will start to present himself as the electable version of The Donald just as soon as Trump’s numbers begin to drop. You heard it here first.