My hubby was idled for a few days by the torrential downpours, so he decided to make Sephardic challah bread:
It was/is delish!
I’m not a baker. Unlike cooking, baking seems (to me) more science than art, and I chafe at its restrictions. But I appreciate baked goods produced by others very much.
I’m thinking a couple of slices of that bread slathered in pimento cheese, slapped together, buttered and grilled would make a fine supper, perhaps with a bowl of tomato soup on the side.
What’s for dinner at your house? Please feel free to discuss other topics too — open thread!
kindness
You could make the biggest BLT’s in the world with slices of that bread.
BGinCHI
Cut out the top and make soup bowls, Betty.
If you do I recommend a nap right after.
chopper
interesting choice.
nice lookin’ loaves there.
jl
Korean restaurant Nomu in SF makes a great French toast for brunch using challah bread and bourbon.
jl
Some good news. Fed appeals court dumps TX voter ID law.
Big Deal
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/big-deal–7
burnspbesq
For dinner at my house? Nothing unless I hit the market on the way home.
geg6
Nice!
We’re having the leftover roasted chicken that I made the other night. Food Network Magazine had a great series of dinner recipes aimed at using up your fresh herbs, so I did the chicken roasted in basil butter with baby potatoes tossed in a lemon/garlic/basil pesto and a salad of baby greens with basil leaves. You’d think it would be one-note with all that basil, but it wasn’t. It was delicious. Lemon pudding cake for dessert.
dedc79
FWIW, my understanding is that round, spiraling challah also happens to be a new years tradition, and the jewish new year is just about a month or so away.
burnspbesq
@jl:
That’s a VERY pleasant surprise. I had assumed that, notwithstanding the strength of the case put on at trial and the District Court’s attempt to write bullet-proof findings of fact, the Fifth Circuit would go all lawless and shit.
Emergency motion for a stay pending appeal will undoubtedly be on file with the Supremes by this time tomorrow. IIRC, Scalia is the Circuit Justice for the Fifth Circuit.
Brendan in Charlotte
I’m just the opposite – I’d rather bake than cook – precisely because of its restrictions
Brachiator
That bread looks good!
Haven’t thought about dinner. Probably something light and cool. Then I will settle back and watch the Tom Cruise sci fi flick, “Edge of Tomorrow.” Heard good things about it from many people, including some Balloon Juicers.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
For supper? We have lots of stuff from the garden, like tomatoes, cukes, zucchini, apples, sugar snap peas (I don’t know why they’re still producing), a small head of cabbage, and sweet corn. Not sure what the protein is going to be yet.
Found a new way of cooking zucchini that is easy and tastes much better than what I was doing with them.
http://food52.com/blog/13642-the-most-flavorful-zucchini-is-also-the-simplest-make-ahead-side
BGinCHI
@Brachiator: It’s really fun sci fi, despite the fact that Cruise is in it. Actually, he’s pretty good in those roles.
gelfling545
I sat down to read my new gardening magazine and came across this gardening tip: the male cannabis plant is very attractive to pollinators. The times they are a- chaa..aaa..aanging.
Betty Cracker
@geg6: That all sounds awesome.
@dedc79: Maybe that’s how the recipe came to his attention — being topical and all. I don’t know. The mister has never made challah bread before and was mispronouncing the hell out of it until I provided the proper pronunciation (well, my WASP-ass approximation of it, anyway).
geg6
@jl:
That’s great news! I really didn’t expect that.
shawn
Bread is actually surprisingly forgiving, unless you’re trying to do something really complicated. Even mediocre homemade bread is going to be about a zillion times better than the store bought stuff. And it makes your house smell awesome.
raven
We’re half way through the supposed three weeks without a kitchen. I’m using a good bit of Trader Joe’s microwave stuff and it’s not all that bad.
kindness
@Pie Happens (opiejeanne): We’ve been tossing zucchini’s on the grill when we cook up other items there. Sears the outsides nicely and gives them a smokey flavor. God knows if one is growing zucchini they have it coming out all their openings.
geg6
@Betty Cracker:
And it’s pretty easy! I recommend finding the recipes on their website. It’s from this month. Like you, I much prefer cooking. And food magazines and cookbooks are my version of pron.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
I bought my spouse a copy of “Artisan Bread in 15 Minutes A Day,” but he claims he can’t find it after our move. A likely story! I am also more of a cook than a baker — I get too impatient.
Weird trick for boxed cake and brownie mixes: I discovered that using egg substitute makes them moister than using real eggs. I’m not sure why (maybe the extra water in them?) but I’ve gotten a lot of compliments.
Roger Moore
I’m planning on having a chile colorado burrito, but I have to finish work first, then go and look after a vacationing friend’s cat.
bystander
If you don’t gobble it all down tonight, I vote for a savory bread pudding with the day-old loaf. Roast chicken, a salad and you’re ready for the debate.
Unless you have a delicate stomach, that is, in which case you probably should not ingest anything but liquids until Huckleberry has pronounced the closing prayer to Jeebus and St. Ronnie.
Mike J
(replying from previous thread)
@Omnes Omnibus: @Omnes Omnibus:
Not quite. They seemed ok with the 14 days of data originally asked for, but the 221 days was too much. Also, the cops had a “warrant” of sorts, but not a good one. Under the SCA the standard for the warrant was “reasonable suspicion”. An actual search warrant requires probable cause.
So the gov can still get cell site info based only on reasonable suspicion, provided they ask for a very narrow set of records. For a dragnet, they still need probable cause.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@gelfling545: That just sounds wrong.
Roger Moore
@jl:
Is that enough to trigger the bail-in provisions of the VRA?
smintheus
I like the argument from the Paulistas that it’s a bad time for their top operatives to be indicted for bribery and fraud.
When would be a good time to have been indicted for bribery and fraud?
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@BGinCHI:
He’s also really good in “Minority Report,” though, again, part of my enjoyment may be that the movie tortures him a bit (like the scene after his eyeball replacement by a very creepy Peter Stormare).
ruemara
I’m feeling bake-y, so for next week my co-workers can nom on a fresh fig and honeyed goat cheese sweet roll made with a coconut milk and coconut oil challah bread base.
No real idea what’s for dinner. Possibly pork mince stir fry with green onions and mushrooms, since all I have defrosted is pork loin that I’ve sliced up.
Iowa Old Lady
I’ve been out of town and offline, visiting a friend. We went to see Mr Holmes, which I liked, and ate a lot of junk food. Win!
Betty Cracker
@BGinCHI: I’ll have to check that out too. Cruise is good in those types of roles.
@ruemara: Wow, that sounds fabulous. I wish you were MY coworker!
Keith P.
I’m having a (sarcastically) lovely conversation with JMM over at TPM re: his plea to stop using ad-blockers. I’ve heard his reasoning before from, oh, every blogger that decides they want ad revenue, but that site more than others set me off just by how much CPU usage goes up on that site. I use BJ.com as a counterpoint, as there are still multiple ads, but not so many that the site becomes unusable on a lower-end laptop.
This is one of those arguments I tend to consider a waste of my time, since Microsoft will tell me their browser runs like crap because the site has an inordinate amount of poorly-written script, while the webmaster will say “it’s 3rd party ads, and plus, we need the money”, and I don’t have contact info for the advertisers (who would likely not give a shit about their shitty script, but I’d still send the same message to them).
Even when I’m running this stuff on my main desktop, I still get ticked off because these sites are NOTHING yet still have multiple latency points (UIs should only show latency when they are making network hops, IMO)…16GB of RAM and a Core i7 means nothing to these web pages.
singfoom
Fighting with Comcast. Jesus I hate Comcast. I loathe them so much that I am trying to get them to give us service at our new house.
Because they have fast internet speeds. A piece of advice to anyone out there moving into new construction……order your comcast 6 months in advance to give them plenty of lead time.
Because if your address comes up as unserviceable, you’re gonna have a bad time.
scav
@raven: TJ’s microwave stuff is a mainstay of intensive gardening bouts chez ma tante, especially when we get too creaky to attempt much and need to eat a half hour ago. Well, that and a stellar local BBQ place. The TJ’s still work when we’re unbelievably grimy though.
Randy P
I haven’t historically had great luck with yeast, but I’m on the search for a croissant recipe that doesn’t use a lot of butter. If I find a promising one I’ll give it a go. Didn’t find anything on English, but I found one in French that seems plausible. Unfortunately step 1 is “put the ingredients in the bread machine”.
My daughter was educating me about wild yeast. She grows her own sourdough from flour and water. Apparently any random flour contains sourdough yeast. When she first mentioned wild yeast to me I was trying to picture looking for it in the woods, like mushrooms.
Mack
Making chicken piccata. Very easy, nice and lemony and I use a boatload of parsley. Fresh noodles, and a salad.
We had a shooter in a theater not 20 minutes away, and I’m dealing with the fact that the kids and I almost opted to go see that new Jake Gyl(mumble)hall movie this afternoon. Of course, we wouldn’t have been in that theater, but I still have a “but for the grace of gawd” type of feeling. Weird.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@kindness: We try to pick them when small so we don’t get overwhelmed, and we have learned that one plant is all we need. More than we need. My sister always leaves them on too long and they get too big, and she’s overwhelmed by too much squash.
We’ve thrown them on the grill a few times and they’re good, but I liked the results of this method better.
Roger Moore
@Brendan in Charlotte:
Baking still leaves plenty of room for art. Yes, you have to get the basic proportions of flour and liquid correct, but that still leaves a lot of flexibility. For one thing, you can do a lot to change the consistency of the bread by making small adjustments in the ratio of flour to liquid. Then you can play around with what liquid you use; water, milk, beer, eggs, etc. all give different character to the bread. You can play around with the flour, too: bread flour vs. all-purpose vs. pastry, white vs. whole grain, wheat vs. rye, etc. Then you can change the leavening: high yeast/short rise vs. low yeast/long rise and yeast vs. sourdough. And, of course, you can add stuff beyond the very basic flour/liquid/salt/leavening formula: sweeteners, herbs, oils, seeds on top. and so on. Not to mention how you can change things by changing the loaf shape, oven temperature, baking time, and whether you use a pan or a free-form loaf.
trollhattan
This cracked me up.
Elizabelle
How do you know President Obama hit it out of the park with his speech on the Iran deal today?
They’re talking about the “tone” of the speech. Cuz he whacked his Republican opponents and Bibi but good. Taking no prisoners. Logical and kinda uppity and all.
Snooze Hour doing it now.
Can you imagine Charlie Rose and Tom Friedman with their sad, concerned, very important faces, talking about President Obama’s “tone?”
trollhattan
@jl:
Speaking of good news from our activist judges, read recently that the federal court threw out Idaho’s Ag Gag law. Similar ALEC-authored legislation in other states might could follow suit.
Never followed how they could be remotely legal, but am sure Joni Ernst has an opinion.
satby
Made a pasta, tomatoes, zucchini, and kale dish for dinner, and then decided to use the vegetable water as part of the base for an avgolemono soup. Now to cut up the chicken breast to add to the soup with the broth from braising it. The two dishes will be dinner for the next few nights, I still haven’t mastered the whole “cooking for one” thing.
Redshift
I think trolling is or new national pastime: Bill Clinton Urged Trump To ‘Play A Larger Role’ In GOP
Geeno
Challah bread is GREAT for french toast.
Just my .02
gogol's wife
@bystander:
Don’t tell me you’re going to watch the debate. Better have some N–m on hand.
schrodinger's cat
Just made chicken curry with tomatoes from my friend’s garden and red peppers. Also made stir fried broccoli with garlic and black beans with chipotle. BTW can anyone suggest a good rub/marinade for flank steak?
I used to be baking challenged, but I have made various cakes, breads and pies in the last two years. I am by no means an expert but it was certainly not as hard as I had thought it would be.
Abo Gato
Love to cook and bake at our place. Right now we are mildly obsessed with Afghan food. Gonna make Aushak which are like ravioli filled with green onions then with a bit of meat sauce and yogurt sauce on them. Since I had an eggplant I got at the farmer’s market last week, I also am making some weird roasted eggplant, poblano, tomato, ginger thing that is not Afghan, but sounded good. Also, since we mix everything up, there will be a plum and raspberry galette for dessert. We will truly eat any kind of thing as long as it’s good. I am also excited that it will be Hatch fest at the Central Market this weekend and they have a small rotisserie type basket to roast hatches on your grill that is on sale for $39 bucks and I plan to get one and roast the shit out of hatch chilies this weekend. Mmmmm. Our son asked if that meant I’d be making hatch queso burgers later and it does.
gogol's wife
@bystander:
Okay, I got moderated. Don’t tell me you’re going to watch the debate. Better have some NON-BRAND-NAME antacid on hand.
schrodinger's cat
@Elizabelle: When you are criticizing tone, its because you have no substance.
scav
@Randy P: Take your specs if you do go looking, but you can do it in your PJs, wild yeast is just rather floating all around us.
WereBear
I used to make that. It’s awesome.
Betty: that fella’s a keeper, dere.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Spielberg completed “Minority Report” and “Catch Me If You Can” closely together. A great, and diverse, one-two punch of cinema.
Cruise was excellent in “Minority Report,” as was Samantha Morton as one of the pre-cogs. Colin Farrell was very effective in his brief role in this film, but has not, I think, lived up to his promise.
And “Catch Me” was a fun romp.
Betty Cracker
@Elizabelle: Gonna have to find that speech on YouTube. Could not watch it live. I’m mystified by the opposition to the Iran deal. I get why Netanyahu and the neo-cons oppose it, but I don’t understand why the public isn’t for it. It seems like a no-brainer to me.
Redshift
@Elizabelle:
Yeah, and it makes me smile. The fact that there are people accusing Obama of “fearmongering” over the deal when the other side is literally running ads with car bombs and mushroom clouds, and talking about millions being killed and Iran talking over the world — they’ve really got nothing.
Cervantes
@BGinCHI:
A good challah would not make a good soup bowl.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@Randy P: My understanding is that the wild yeast is in the air in all but the most arid places, but I could be wrong.
Roger Moore
@smintheus:
After the election. Paul doesn’t care that one of his staffers is in trouble; he only cares that it affects him.
Mike J
@Geeno: I often do that with mine.
http://i.imgur.com/rVPXuTI.jpg
Tree With Water
Mell Farr has died. I knew him strictly as a Detroit Lion, but what do I know? R.I.P.
“..Farr shared rookie of the year honors with his fellow Lion Lem Barney, who was his roommate. The two also share an unusual distinction. They became friends with the singer Marvin Gaye, who invited them to sing backup on his 1971 hit “What’s Going On..”
“We thought like always that we’d just sit and watch him perform,’’ Barney told The Los Angeles Times in 2010. “But he said, ‘Lem, you take this part,’ and, ‘Mel, you take this part.’ And as a result, it got us a gold record.”
Roger Moore
@Keith P.:
Maybe if they had a decent JavaScript engine it wouldn’t be so much of a problem. I don’t have any problem with TPM, even when I’m browsing on a 5-year-old computer, so long as I’m running a recent version of Firefox.
Mike J
@Betty Cracker:
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@ruemara:
And you wonder why I keep trying to get you to move in with various Juicers who are local to me …
RaflW
We’re scrounging oven fries and some costco sausages.
I had a weird and scary health issue this morning — I think I’m OK, prelim Dr visit inconclusive and sent home, but will need more doctoring and do not like the anxiety of not knowing if I am ok and just had a fluke blackout (I am 13 years sober, so it was probably some sort of blood pressure drop – but if so, then why…) ??
We have a vacation planned to start in 48 hours, by plane, with sis-in law who almost never gets to go on vacations. Ugh.
Redshift
@Betty Cracker: Polls are actually mixed on whether the public is for or against it. Steve Benen had had some good stuff on this at Maddowblog. Propaganda and lack of knowledge are the main reasons people aren’t for it. Polls that just ask yes/no tend to show opposition. Polls that tell people what’s in it and then ask tend to show support.
WereBear
@Roger Moore: When I had a bread machine (and before I went gluten-free for arthritis) I was a Mad Scientist. Always been a good baker, but had difficulty doing all that kneading that makes for a nice loaf.
So anyway, my comeuppance was The Purple Monster, a plum bread experiment that the dogs wouldn’t eat. So I threw it outside for the birds. They wouldn’t eat it. My husband buried it, just to tease me. But when the snows melted and the ground heaves had exposed the bread again… it was just as before.
It was immortal.
We wound up throwing it away… and being in Long Island, that means it wound up in the bottom of the sea… brooding… about revenge.
Roger Moore
@Randy P:
Sourdough is awesome. It’s definitely a lifestyle choice, though. You have to have time to bake regularly, and you have to be able to plan a couple of days ahead. I don’t think it would work for somebody with a chaotic schedule.
jeffreyw
Bacon and eggs on pasta.
Mike in NC
Had some leftover lamb kebabs, so we’re making lamb tacos.
WereBear
It’s basically “cooking for four” and you store/freeze the leftovers.
Redshift
@Keith P.: One of the web comic sites I read has a link to complain about ad problems (auto play audio, slowness, etc.) and they seem to put effort into getting the offending ones removed. If a site does that, I’ll take their pleas about ad blockers more seriously.
Elizabelle
CBS Evening News led with the Nashville Theatre shooting; now on to penalty jury deliberations for James Holmes Aurora CO theatre shooting. Now up: (actually, down, way down, in the ocean): MH 370.
ETA: And now: Hillary Clinton emails. The FBI is involved.
Geez. Tuned to them because they’re supposedly good on foreign news.
Didn’t somebody give an important speech today?
burnspbesq
@Roger Moore:
I could be wrong about this (check Rick Hasen’s election law blog tomorrow), but as it stands now I don’t think so. The fifth upheld the District Court’s conclusion that SB 14 had a discriminatory effect, but vacated and remanded on the question of discriminatory intent.
ETA: Hasen has already weighed in.
http://electionlawblog.org/?p=74972
WereBear
@RaflW: Damn, sorry to hear about that; scary. Of course the timing ALWAYS sucks.
aimai
@ruemara: What??? Must.Have.Recipe.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Mack:
IIRC, roasted or mashed potatoes may actually be more traditional than noodles with chicken piccata, but my Italian ancestors came from Lombardia and other points north where tomato sauce and pasta are less common.
Origuy
More on the Nashville theater shooter.
shell
Trying to make a deadline, so just grabbing what I can from the fridge.A couple of slices of muenster and an activia yogurt. Will make it up at lunch tomorrow.
WereBear
@Redshift: It wasn’t until I installed Ghostery that I realized just how many ads and trackers and such were all over some sites. I just block the most obnoxious until I have a reasonable load.
Elizabelle
“President Obama spoke bluntly today” and CBS tells us their poll shows it’s a tough sale. (Although “don’t know” might be a leading response.) 15 second excerpt. Blink and you missed it.
Now: migrant crisis in Calais near the Chunnel. Longer, pretaped piece.
Elizabelle
@Origuy: White male, you say? No!
Keith P.
@Roger Moore: Chakra benchmarks comparatively well, and Edge supposedly is an improvement, but too many people can just sit down and write code with JS, and it usually isn’t very good (masked errors, server-side stuff being done on the client, bad selector use, etc). Edge will be OK once extensions are supported, but until then, so long as responsibility is being laundered among parties (“Hey, it’s the site your browser…talk to the webmaster.” “Hey, I just host the ads; I don’t write them. No point in talking to the ad authors”) it’s a bit of a mess.
JMM replied back telling me it has to do with macroeconomics, which ended the conversation for me. It’s a waste of my time to discuss the difference between micro and macro economics…this kind of exercise diminishes my interest in the Internet as a whole.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@RaflW:
Okay, this is a really personal question, but were you peeing at the time? Swear to god, it’s an actual thing for (mostly) men:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micturition_syncope
Not serious unless you hurt yourself while fainting, but scary as hell.
JPL
@Mack: I’m still not clear on what happened. Even almost is uncomfortable. It is pretty scary stuff. I was once in front of a person who was upset when the woman in front of me received a text. The behavior wasn’t appropriate, and he didn’t have a gun.
Roger Moore
@Pie Happens (opiejeanne):
There is, but for breadmaking purposes the wild yeast that’s gotten into your flour is probably more important. That and the lactobacilli that are just about everywhere.
Betty Cracker
@RaflW: Jeebus! Hope you’re okay. I used to keel over occasionally for no good reason — runs in the family. It turned out to be nothing. Hope your issue does too.
@WereBear: LMAO!
Ultraviolet Thunder
That bread looks gorgeous.
For dinner I had half of a grocery store bagel, cold from the fridge. I’m used to living on the road these days so my expectations of food have fallen to sufficient calories and swallowable. I’ll have a baked potato and some steamed green beans after walkies.
Headed to Canada tomorrow for 48 hours of work, and cuisine which I will cautiously scrutinize.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: The speech was good. It should be on whitehouse.gov
Hal
Trump’s success explained.
http://pickledcomics.tumblr.com/post/125930183655/new-comic-trumps-wish-the-website-like-on
Morzer
@schrodinger’s cat:
Lime juice with chopped cilantro.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: Yeah, I had only read the the ACLU blurb, not the entire opinion.
WereBear
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Damn, you are GOOD. It would never occured to me to search for “fainting while peeing.”
Cervantes
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Varies, but in Tuscany roasted potatoes are traditional.
And most Americans think the piccata signifies a lemon sauce but traditionally it does not (necessarily). What it does signify (literally) is pounding and flattening the meat to within an inch — actually, a quarter inch — of its life.
And on that note I must retire. Have a great evening.
Botsplainer
@satby:
The missus is about two and a half months a year traveling for business purposes, 2-3 weeks at a time. My method, now that the kids are gone, is to keep eggs, apples, bananas and yogurt for simple breakfast, canned soups and organic Asian frozen meals for lunches and polish sausages or the occasional small sirloin for an evening alone. I do go to restaurants alone a couple of times when she’s away if I want something like a good steak or quality cocktails. It’s surprising how low those checks can be for a solo diner.
Botsplainer
@Morzer:
So kind of a modified chimichurri?
Mack
@JPL: The news reports have left a lot in question…I imagine we’ll know more soon. What’s even weirder is that shooter in Louisiana used to own a bar just two blocks from mine, and I remember going over when he opened and taking my crew (waitresses, bartenders and bouncers) over to his place to welcome him. He treated us like royalty, (well, free drinks for awhile) but I do not remember actually talking with him. Still, that’s two a$$holes I have some kind of seven degrees of Kevin Bacon type connection with.
Morzer
According to Wikipedia, there are supposed to be 11 GOP debates. It’s almost enough to make me believe in a vengeful God punishing the nation for its sins.
Miki
Tater-tot Hotdish.
Srsly.
Fuck you if you don’t get it.
And wine. Boxed, of course.
Mack
@Morzer: YES. But…if it’s a flat iron steak, don’t marinade it for very long, you’ll ruin it.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Something along those lines, yes. How did things work out with you on the domestic front? I haven’t been around much, so I apologize in advance if this is a difficult topic for you.
JPL
@schrodinger’s cat: I made this recipe.
Although I enjoyed it, the leftover steak, had an odd taste when I reheated it. I would recommend it, as long as you plan on eating the entire thing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: I am watching right now. Here is a link.
Another Holocene Human
@smintheus: Straight to the conspiracy theory, that’s our Ron.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@WereBear:
The husband of one of my friends at work had this happen to him, so I already knew about it. Scared the crap out of them several times but since there was no other indication of heart trouble, that’s what they chalked it up to.
This is why I can beat all comers in Trivial Pursuit — my brain just remembers weird stuff like that.
Another Holocene Human
@ruemara: I officially hate you now.
No, the gluten free version is NOT just as good!
bemused
All this food talk is making me famished. We’re having chili, popovers and corn on the cob (for the 2nd day) right out of a farm field, not supermarket. Delish corn.
I have a very old handwritten recipe for fresh fruit/berry pizza.The crust is homemade cookie dough baked, then slices fruit/berries with an orange juice glaze. The crust seemed a little too thick so when I searched fruit pizza recipes, I couldn’t find one that didn’t have a cream cheese sugar middle layer. I remember it was a very popular dessert a couple of decades or more ago but no cream cheese. Do not want cream cheese. Quite sweet enough with the glaze.
Elizabelle
NBC’s Chris Jansing has an excellent recap of PBO speech, with a few representative clips, and right down to the massive Israeli ad buy against the deal. Good job, Chris.
WereBear
Debate thread. WANT.
JPL
ABC nightly news covered the plane wreckage, movie shooting, and now the Trump phone call.
Roger Moore
@Morzer:
If God were truly trying to punish us, he’d give us zero GOP debates to increase the risk of real punishment if/when we actually elected the GOP candidate.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty Cracker: but I don’t understand why the public isn’t for it.
The Iranians are bad guys who say Death To America./half snark
Greg Sargent had a good write up of what happens when a question is offered to the undecided, as with the big NBC/Marist poll
Another (indirect) reason, Chris Matthews is giving Rudi Giuliani airtime to explain politics. I realize Tweety is the ultimate star fucker who on any given issue is likely to be stuck in some moment in the past (bipartisanship: Tip and Ronnie! immigration: 1986 deal didn’t fix it! He sees a woman he finds attractive: “What! THAT WAS A COMPLIMENT!”– the only person who could make me feel sympathy for Erin Burnett) but who the fuck at that network things anyone who watches that network gives a fuck what that nasty old has been thinks?
Gimlet
Bwahahah
Eleven bounty hunters from two fugitive-recovery companies, including the owners, went to the northwest Phoenix home of Phoenix Police Chief Joseph Yahner on Tuesday night after receiving false information that a fugitive was hiding there, according to police.
Brent Farley, 43, owns Northstar Fugitive Recovery in Mesa and was arrested Wednesday morning on suspicion of criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct as a result of the incident, police said.
A 911 call was made
When officers arrived, they found employees from Northstar and Delta One Tactical Recovery surrounding the home, with one man banging on the door with an unholstered weapon and in a verbal confrontation with the chief inside, police said. Their vehicles were parked on the property with their lights shining and the man at the door shined his flashlight inside, Phoenix police said. A cellphone video captured part of the altercation.
hoodie
@Betty Cracker: It is a no-brainer. Obama laid it out in the plainest terms that, if you’re worried that Iran will develop a nuke, it’s this deal or nothing, and the Russians, Chinese and Europeans will be left with no doubt that we’re complete morons if we don’t take it. It’s kind of sad, he felt compelled to point out that Saint Ronnie made deals like this with the Evil Empire all the time, for far higher stakes. I wonder if even that will help, as it appears that most Americans have no clue about the details of stuff like this, and a lot seem to be afflicted with a perversely Orwellian reality TV show mentality that leads to things like thinking Donald Trump could legitimately be a good president or that FoxNews is a reliable source of information. Obama isn’t chest thumping like George Bush or “negotiating” like Trump, so he must be hoodwinked by those dastardly mullahs (stupid Negro!) or part of their conspiracy to take over and install sharia law. The media exacerbates this by fixating on “tone” and similar BS.
raven
@WereBear: Uh, it’s tomorrow.
Morzer
@Roger Moore:
But…does the nation really need to see Man With Orangutan Scrotum On Head eleven times before realizing that he’s stark, staring, gibberingly nuts?
different-church-lady
Good news folks: Bernie’s winning the polls!
Patricia Kayden
@singfoom: Used to be with Comcast but now I’m with Verizon. Love love love Verizon. Many more channels (including a free year of HBO for being a good customer) and no need to call customer service as often as I did when I had Comcast. The few times that Comcast has called asking if I’d reconsider, I’ve bitten my tongue and politely told them how pleased I am with Verizon.
trollhattan
@Gimlet:
Oh God. The only thing that would make that better would have been “…surrounded the home of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.”
Morzer
@different-church-lady:
I’d take a long hard look at the HuffPo article in question before I gave it any credence. It’s a very thin mishmash of a handful of state polls and some dubious claims at the end about HRC’s supposed troubles.
Patricia Kayden
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Giuliani is nothing but repulsive. Figures Matthews would have him on his show.
@different-church-lady: Good. We have two great candidates.
different-church-lady
@Morzer: I didn’t need to take a good long look at it because I knew it was crap just based on the DKos idiot who linked to it.
different-church-lady
@Patricia Kayden: You didn’t actually read that link, did you.
We do have two great candidates. And we’ve also got a lot of deluded on-line progressives.
ThresherK
Hey, did someone suggest for the GOP debate music, “The Dating Game” theme?
It is a jaunty bit by (I’m guessing) Al Hirt.
Why? No matter how lousy and desperate they all seem, one of them is going to win the date.
Elizabelle
Y’all are making me hungry with the food thread. Having a glass of red while contemplating what to make.
Have some lovely fresh tomatoes; gonna make them up with EVOO and balsamic and basil. But then what? (Leaves to scrounge; too lazy to drive up to grocery shop…) Maybe pasta, maybe an egg and toast. And more wine.
Cacti
Kathy Davis, former Lt. Governor of Indiana, has resigned her position as campaign treasurer for Senator Joe Donnelly (D-IN), following Donnelly’s vote to defund Planned Parenthood.
In an e-mail to the Indianapolis Star, she confirmed that Donnelly’s vote was the reason she stepped down.
Good for you, Ms. Davis.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@ThresherK: thank you for that ear worm
Elizabelle
@ThresherK: Just as long as America doesn’t pick Bachelor number “from crazytrain.”
different-church-lady
@ThresherK: Herb Alpert, as I recall.
(goes to see if I’m right…)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Woo hoo! Obama called out Iraq War supporters as the ones who made Iran that much stronger. I won’t expect it to sink in along Politico-MorningJoe-Sunday Show Axis of Smugly Stupid.
Roger Moore
@Gimlet:
Sounds like a mild modification of swatting, probably more effective when you’re targeting a police officer.
WereBear
@raven: Precisely. I try not to make last minute requests.
rikyrah
Just finished some tacos bought at a local restaurant.They hit the spot.
JPL
@WereBear: lol
shell
Happened when I switched to Verizon too. They were like a crazy ex begging to get back together.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Tree With Water: RIP to Mel, a fellow Bruin. His sons Mel Jr. and Mike also played pigskin for my Bruins.
MomSense
I got some fresh haddock today which was delicious. I made a big salad, some rice, and some kohlrabi and carrot fritters with an avocado cream sauce. I had no idea what to do with the kohlrabi so this worked out well.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@WereBear: LOL! Great story, especially the ending.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: Have you seen the other 9 contestants?
Gimlet
@Roger Moore:
I wonder if they wore traditional swat ski masks?
Botsplainer
@Morzer:
After serious reflection and work, all seemed to do OK. It was close – I had a trendy loft selected and deposited, dog approved, and a line on nice rental furniture. I was going to be able to walk to work, live in a block with trendy bars and restaurants populated by 20 and 30 somethings and conventioneers.
I was a suitcase and a dog bowl away from leaving, and discussion was frank, but in the end, it took a couple of realizations on both parts to make it not happen.
It’s been a nice year since all that. She hasn’t been traveling as much, and we just had a nice dive trip to Mexico. She’s headed out to Myanmar and Bhutan the entire month of October, though.
Gimlet
Even though it’s Huffington Post, this IS funny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mad-hillary-cover_55c2124ae4b0138b0bf47695?cps=gravity_5059_-1234547582796537899&kvcommref=mostpopular
JPL
@MomSense: Because I was raised in New England, I am particular on the freshness of fish. It sounds like a delightful meal. There is a restaurant near me that has GA mountain trout that
is wonderful.
ThresherK
@different-church-lady: I hate to say, “Herb Alpert was the guy I was thinking of,” because I know just enough about jazz to make that mistake. But, yeah.
A.H., H.A., it’s an easy error.
JPL
I saw this earlier on weather.com and if it happened to me, I would start blubbering. I laid my sod.
@Botsplainer: Just keep communicating. This comes from the person whose ex moved to WV. lol
currants
@Brendan in Charlotte: I like both, but like baking especially because it’s more likely to make people smile than ordinary meals do (too bad, eh?).
MomSense
@Elizabelle:
More like they have a problem with his skin tone.
currants
@JPL: Funny–also saw a photo of a tree down in a Boston neighborhood–the sidewalk (squares of concrete, some of which were laid during the WPA) came up perfectly intact all around it. It looked like squares of chocolate piled up around the tree which was leaning ever so seriously toward the house across the street.
different-church-lady
@ThresherK: Understandable mistake: both horn players, similar styles, same era, each could have probably played the other’s lines.
currants
@Pie Happens (opiejeanne): ONE zucchini this year so far, and that’s one more than other years.
Tomatoes and basil I’m overrun by. Everything else, not so much (though peas were wonderful until this last hot stretch).
Omnes Omnibus
I am watching the Obama presser right now. He just pantsed Major Garrett, fucking hilarious.
WereBear
Mr WereBear is so sweet. He surprised me with a DVD of The Beastmaster.
The valiant dog! The ferrets! John Amos in the leather thingy!
There’s just so much to enjoy.
Howard Beale IV
@Tree With Water: He was a good man-but boy were his ads CHEEEEZY. I mean, seriously-The Ghoul, Ollie Fretter, George PIerrot, Lou Gordon or even Mr. Belvidere could have done a better job.
currants
@Morzer: HIGHLY recommend this one: mash a papaya, mix in soy sauce and minced garlic, set aside some for serving, then put your steak in the marinade and let sit overnight. Grill. Serve with reserved marinade. Really, easy and excellent.
(Errmmm I only had papaya because I’ve never bought it and it was on sale, only then I didn’t know what to do with it.)
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus: Major Garrett is not really there for the hunting.
Steeplejack (tablet)
Anybody know what happened to Corner Stone?
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: True… You could see Obama almost go head/desk when he heard Garrett’s question.
Botsplainer
@Gimlet:
Those idiot bounty hunters swatted the wrong guy. From what I understand, Phoenix PD are the good guys in AZ.
They’re lucky they didn’t get their fool heads blown off. I’m sure Phoenix PD was none too gentle.
MomSense
@JPL:
Me too. I like all seafood as long as it is fresh.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@WereBear:
Good recovery. Almost catlike. “I meant to do that.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Omnes Omnibus: @Omnes Omnibus: Christ, I am an idiot. I was watching the three week old Obama speech. Link to today’s speech here.
Germy Shoemangler
@Omnes Omnibus:
Wait… again?? Didn’t he do that last week? Major G. is still acting up?
EDIT:
whoops… never mind; I didn’t see your above comment.
Betty Cracker
@Steeplejack (tablet): I have faith that he’ll show up by and by. He comes and goes, swallows of Capistrano-like.
Omnes Omnibus
@Germy Shoemangler: The old one was pretty good too.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@WereBear:
Mmm . . . Tanya Roberts. Am I remembering correctly?
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack (tablet): You are.
WereBear
@Steeplejack (tablet): Where ya think I learned it? :)
JPL
@Omnes Omnibus:
I actually googled to see if Obama was have a press event.
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus: I thought that schooling sounded familiar — thus my reference to the bear hunter joke.
the Conster
@MomSense:
I love that Maine is the haddock eating capital of the world, after Nova Scotia. Mr. Conster lives and works in Gardiner, and every time I go there I make sure to order the fish sandwich or fish and chips. He tells me how many pounds of haddock the local supermarket stocks, and it always sells out – Mainers love their haddock. I do too – my Lunenburg raised grandmother and father taught us that’s the fish to eat, and the myriad ways to prepare it.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: hhis
Germy Shoemangler
From the Devil’s Dictionary (Ambrose Bierce):
raven
@the Conster:
what do you take for a haddock?
sometimes I take a aspirin
sometimes I take a caramel. . .
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Betty Cracker:
I haven’t seen him in over a month, and I think I follow the threads pretty closely (if sometimes belatedly). Seems like an unusually long gap. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Germy Shoemangler
More Bierce:
Germy Shoemangler
@raven: I’d walk a mile for a calomel.
WereBear
@Steeplejack (tablet): Yeppers. And Rip Torn as the villain!
the Conster
@raven:
Ritz crackers crumbled on top with butter is how I prefer mine.
raven
@the Conster: Talk, talk talk. . .sometimes I think I must go mad. You just said that! Where will it all end? What is it getting you? Why don’t you go home to your wife? I’ll tell you what, I’ll go home to your wife and, outside of the improvement, she’ll never know the difference. Pull over to the side of the road there and let me see your marriage license.
Germy Shoemangler
They’re working on a film version of “Raised Eyebrows” (the book written by Groucho Marx’s assistant) and it will be directed by Rob Zombie.
The assistant saw all the brutal stuff going on in Groucho’s house during his final years.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
I am really glad things worked out for you. Long may it continue!
Tree With Water
@Howard Beale IV: Like I said, his name was a blast from my long ago past. I don’t recall him as anything but a very good football player for the Lions. If I ever saw him in a commercial, it escaped me.
NotMax
@WereBear
Wow, hard to grok that Marc Singer is now 67. That ol’ tempus surely does fugit.
Gimlet
So think the Pope will stop in and see Cardinal Glick in Red Bank NJ while he’s here?
MomSense
@the Conster:
Gardiner! I “go to camp” not far from there. Next time you are up heah, let me know. We can do a mini meet up.
the Conster
@raven:
I really hate swordfish – will never eat it. It’s full of parasites.
the Conster
@MomSense:
OK! I’ll let you know. He’s been living and working there for 5 years, but he’ll be done there by Thanksgiving and moving back to live with me again, just outside of Boston. We’ll have the fall to wrap things up. You’re in/near Brunswick, right? We go there all the time.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack (tablet):
@Betty Cracker:
Baud was missing for a while, I thought, and turned out his mom had passed.
Hope Corner Stone is OK. Maybe it’s a vacay with the kid.
Steeplejack
I had a good-sized, late lunch—so late that it almost qualified as a senior-citizen early-bird dinner—so I’m not very hungry now. I’ll have some crackers, hummus and olives later if I get peckish.
Now nursing a not too bad margarita from Cuervo mix. Bro’ man and I have had joint company from out of town since before the weekend, and I have been bringing home odds and ends of leftovers that won’t get used at Sighthound Hall. I think I was the one who thought margaritas might be good for a late brunch/early afternoon thing, but I was proved wrong. Sometimes you over-cater and let people gravitate to what they want. Turned out to be cava and mimosas.
JPL
@Elizabelle: Are you going to live blog the debate? You are quite good at keeping us informed.
Omnes Omnibus
@JPL: We can’t ask that of her. It would be too cruel.
WereBear
@NotMax: That it sure does.
Ruviana
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Be careful up there. Those people put gravy on french fries.
WereBear
@Omnes Omnibus: I agree. “Watching” the debate through BJ comments is the safest way, reminiscent of the way Perseus only saw the Medusa by her reflection in his shield.
MomSense
@the Conster:
Great! I’m a little north but that is a fun town with nice restaurants.
raven
@the Conster: Swordfish!
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruviana: Poutine is a food of the gods.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@WereBear:
I was defending the original “Clash of the Titans” here a few weeks ago. It may not be a masterpiece of cinema, but it’s the best-plotted of any Harryhausen movie and it has a lot of charm. And the Medusa scene is pretty suspenseful.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
Poutine is so good. Now I will be craving it.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Again?!? Time for Major to ask for a minor assignment swap?
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Keep scrolling down. I did a dumb.
Riley's enabler
My supper is vino tonight, due to large pizza lunch. Generally annoyed and bummed; took the foster kitties back to the shelter today for spaying and then adoption. Hoping the universe hands them a fair deal and happy forever families. Watched local news while cleaning the kitten room; ABC 13 was yammering on about the Planned Parenthood video 5 and featured a sobby middle-aged white lady having all the regrets about an abortion. So much slant. So little truthiness.
More vino.
RaflW
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Thanks for the info. I am a guy, and I was indeed having my morning pee just after rising. The EMT mentioned the possible BP drop connection to peeing, didn’t know the phenomenon had a name.
But what is weirder was that in the 10-15 seconds before I blacked out, I had a sudden episode of intense back pain right between the shoulderblades, at about the T5 vertebrae. The pain was gone after I came-to just a few seconds later (sitting facing the tank, as it happens).
So I guess they want an echocardiogram – which I’ve had before, years ago. Easy procedure, but hard to get an appointment.
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Yeah, time flies. This afternoon, totally by accident, I caught about five minutes of Barney Miller on WeTV or MeTV, whatever. It looked awful—transfers from mid-’70s videotape do not hold up well (nor do the comedic tropes)—but I did a spit-take when I saw Nancy Dussault in a guest spot. Hadn’t thought of her in years, and it took me a few minutes to come up with her name. She used to be on TV a lot, although not a big star. She played roles where she was semi-hot in a nice-girl/somebody’s-wife way. I think she did mostly Broadway and other theater work. I looked on IMDB and saw that she is 79 now!
It’s like, yeah, you know time passes and people get older, but movies and TV leave performers suspended in time (and in memory), and sometimes it sneaks up on you that they’ve gotten older when they’re not in view. Nancy Dussault hasn’t worked (on screen) since 2001, so I presume she’s retired (happily, I hope).
Somehow that got me thinking about Gene Hackman, and I see that he is 85 now and hasn’t worked since Welcome to Moosewood in 2004. I wonder if he ever formally retired, or if in that business you just stop taking offers—or stop getting them. It would be nice for great performers—hell, even just pretty good, dependable supporting performers—to get feted when they’re still alive, before the inevitable “Who died last year?” montage at the Academy Awards.
Oh, God, IMDB also reminded me that Dussault played Ted Knight’s wife in that execrable sitcom Too Close for Comfort in the ’80s. Can’t believe that lasted for seven years!
Going to be strong and not look up Ted Knight or Jim J. Bullock, who played the obnoxious gay character on that show.
SiubhanDuinne
@Cacti:
That story makes me very happy. Good for Ms. Davis! I hope she decides to run for higher office at an appropriate opportunity — I’d cheerfully toss a few dollars her way.
Elizabelle
@JPL: @Omnes Omnibus:
You are too kind. I shall drag the laptop along, and endeavor to keep beer or red wine off it.
More enthusiastic about seeing DougJ and BJ pals than any of the Repubs. WaPost put up a list of places to watch the debates, with a suggestion to get a life instead.
I guess Obama’s speech today was planned to pre-empt all the crap that will be spewed tomorrow night. Too bad the crap will have a larger audience.
And after: Jon Stewart’s last show. We will have to stay for that.
the Conster
@Omnes Omnibus:
My oldest daughter went to McGill. I learned all about poutine. Poutine is a foul disgusting pile of vomitous calories for food sluts. But if you drink Labatt Blue with it, it goes down pretty smooth.
Another Holocene Human
@Elizabelle: Turns out I will be attending a conference dinner with my wife (she was presenting a poster, it went well) tomorrow and not watching the food fight. Guess I will catch up over the weekend.
Another Holocene Human
@Riley’s enabler:
It’s always this, yet research shows the overwhelming majority of women don’t regret their abortion. However, plenty of women suffer pain and sometimes depression over losing wanted pregnancies. And not every “pro-life” activist has more than a passing relationship with the truth. Hmmm…
(Or maybe I’m thinking of my mom again, lost two pregnancies, totally irrational pro-lifer. One of those people who can’t grok that other people making a different choice is not “pressure” or “compulsion” on you to make the same choice.)
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is that from today, or a couple of weeks ago? Because he (quietly and firmly) ripped Major Garrett a new one when the Iran deal was first announced.
Haven’t heard/seen any news today (I’ve been immersed in the Trojan War) so am not sure what I’ve missed. Or if I’m better off not knowing.
Elizabelle
@Another Holocene Human: You will miss nothing. Congrats to Mrs. AHH.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Please ignore my question at #208.
ETA: Also, what Germy said at #160.
Riley's enabler
@Another Holocene Human: the vino says I can respond with more candor than I’d normally apply.
I do not regret my abortion. Circumstances were what they were, and I was in no way able to rear a child. Planned Parenthood allowed me a choice, and I will continue to support them. I greatly regret my 2 miscarriages; no choice in the matter, and terribly sad. I am so thankful for my son.
Three paths, all taken. Thankful I had the ability to choose when needed.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
But since we’re wondering about absent friends, has anyone heard anything from Soonergrunt? I know some people follow him on Twitter, but I do not tweet. I think of him often and hope he’s well.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ah, got it. Well, hopefully Major treats future questions like somebody approaching the kitchen range with their hand bandaged from a festooning of burner burns.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruviana:
Gravy and cheese curds.
the Conster
@SiubhanDuinne:
He’s out there in the twitterverse but few and far between. The last tweet I got was a few days ago, so he’s present.
Steeplejack
@Riley’s enabler:
Well said.
SiubhanDuinne
@the Conster:
Thanks for the update.
Another Holocene Human
@Abo Gato: Wow, dinner at your place sounds amazing. I had Afghan food just once, in Baltimore over a decade ago. It was good.
SiubhanDuinne
@Riley’s enabler:
Preach it, vino! I never wanted children, and I never had children — primarily due to safe, legal contraception, but at one point due to safe, legal abortion. In 1976. Not a scrap of regret.
::wanders off to send a donation to Planned Parenthood::
ThresherK
@raven: Okay, this has gotta be Groucho.
Any time you want to drop a Marx brothers bit when someone says “Ritz” (brothers), it’s fine by me.
(Seriously wondering how the Ritz bros. got in to a second movie after the first one. And I have no grandparents around to ask.)
the Conster
@Riley’s enabler:
I had my abortion in 1981, when I’d already been married 4 years. My husband was my child – we got married really young – too young, and he was totally out of control when I found out I was pregnant. I was also mostly supporting us, and I was doubled over every day with terrible morning sickness. I was as unhappy then as I’ve ever been in my life. We drove to the clinic in West Springfield, and it was over really quickly and clinically. The relief for both of us was so enormous. We figured out a lot of stuff after that, and had our first daughter together 11 months later. She’s a teacher and all around beautiful being, who never would have been here except for the choice only I could make. We’re still married.
RaflW
@the Conster: Sooner is on a roll on Twitter, posted multiple tweets this evening. I follow him and he links to some good stuff.
KS in MA
@RaflW:
If it’s any consolation to you, my dad had a fluke blackout once. They put him in the hospital and gave him every test they could think of (he was in his sixties at the time)–nothing wrong. He was pretty worried, too, for a while, but he was fine, and never had another blackout or any discernible ill effect. May you be fine too!
the Conster
@the Conster:
“Women aren’t the only ones who need to speak up. Where are the men grateful not to be forced into fatherhood? Where are the doctors who object to the way anti-abortion lawmakers are interfering with the practice of medicine?”
This is exactly how I think about abortion.
Tree With Water
@the Conster: Enough people with experiences similar to your own represent a genuine silent majority in this country. That it’s so profoundly personal an experience alone prevents most from sharing their stories, as you’ve done here (and good for you). The GOP ignores the sensibilities of that majority, and will be hurt ignoring it. If republicans shut down the government over Planned Parenthood- if they choose to make a stand on that Custer’s Hill of an issue- I say bring it on. Elizabeth Warren is already the democrat’s Crazy Horse on the issue, and her congressional colleagues need only follow her, as Sioux and Cheyenne warriors were once inspired to follow the real McCoy up that bloody slope and down again, all those years ago.
Tom Q
@Steeplejack: To show you how old I am: I saw Nancy Dussault play Maria in The Sound of Music — she was the last of the Broadway Marias during the show’s original run, in 1963.
She was also the co-host of Good Morning America in the mid-70s.
Gene Hackman did pretty officially retire. It’s not like he couldn’t get work anymore; he’s hugely respected, and certainly could do character roles — I’m sure directors would love to use him. But he’s just decided he’s too old. (Jack Nicholson the same, I believe: apparently he realized he couldn’t memorize lines anymore)
Omnes Omnibus
@Riley’s enabler: Brave of you to say.
@SiubhanDuinne: And of you as well.
It shouldn’t require being brave. It should be a matter between you and your MD. Until then, I admire your courage for talking about it.
the Conster
@Tree With Water:
Women who have had abortions need to do what our gay citizens have done – come out loud and proud. That’s when things changed – when everyone realized they knew someone who was gay. The stigma for women is the same. It’s time for us all to tell our stories, and look the judgers in the eyes and tell them to dare us to tell us we were wrong. Go ahead, I dare you to tell me I made the wrong decision.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thank you, but in my case it’s not brave at all. Just a statement of fact. It’s never been a secret; OTOH, it’s never been something I felt I needed to announce.
I can’t speak for others. Our experiences, like our choices, are individual.
Steeplejack
@Tom Q:
Now that you mention it, I sort of vaguely remember her from Good Morning America. (I never watched the morning shows much.)
Her IMDB bio says she did a lot of theater work and received two Tony nominations (’61 and ’65).
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Well, the rest of the world should adapt to your view. Until then, saying in a public forum that you had an abortion is brave.
Laura
@Morzer:
in a zip lock bag add a well smashed clove or two of garlic, a goodly slug of olive oil, heaping spoon of dijon style mustard, juice of a lemon, a glug of red wine vinegar and a heaping spoon of honey. Add the flank, rub the bag to massage the liquids onto the meat, Chuck in the fridge till you feel like grilling to medium rare, rest for at least 5 minutes, slice across the grain.