In my family, the women watch football and the men fetch the beer and BBQ. I’ve been a Tampa Bay Bucs fan since the franchise launched, and before that, my parents dressed my sister and me in Miami Dolphins infant togs.
Our all-female Bucs Viewing Society was undaunted by a two-win season, but we were dismayed by management’s decision to spend the #1 draft pick on a player who may have raped a fellow student and definitely stole some shit and was suspended for standing on a table in the student union and screaming about “pussy.”
Maybe the team’s PR geniuses sensed dissension among the female portion of the fan base, because they came up with a web page just for us:
And there’s this:
A special RED Launch Party for The New Buccaneers Women’s Movement will take place on Thursday, Sept. 10th at Raymond James Stadium in the west club beginning at 6:00 p.m. Event highlights will include an “Insider’s Talk” with Buccaneers General Manager Jason Licht, surprise appearances from Buccaneer legends, gameday style tips from local area experts, and even a RED Lifestyle Lounge session to educate attendees on the art of incorporating their passion for the Bucs into their other lifestyle interests such as tailgating and home entertaining.
Style tips and home entertaining — how Mad Men! Also, this:
Are you fucking kidding me? Go ‘Phins.
El Caganer
So the ‘women of Tampa Bay’ are all blonde and white? I did not know this.
Betty Cracker
@El Caganer: I almost added a snarky line to that effect, but in fairness to this incredibly tone-deaf campaign, the pictures rotate, and the subjects don’t all look like they were carved out of cream cheese.
Thunderbird
Holy shit, could they be any more condescending?
Warren Terra
@Thunderbird:
Could you not pose this challenge to them, lest they rise to meet it?
arky vaughn
The thing that scares me the most when I see something like this is somebody had to say – “Hey this is a great idea!”
I mean this just wasn’t an off the cuff, spur of the moment faux pas that even the most enlightened may have from time to time. This was ….”thought” out – using the term thought extremely loosely
Punchy
Say “Hi” to Vinny Testeverde and….uh…..hmmm……Mike Alstott? for me.
Arclite
I dunno, sounds very Florida.
Amir Khalid
The idea of the female fan’s experience of a sports team being different from the male fan’s experience is a new one on me. They don’t have that in the kind of football I follow. Or, come to think of it, in any sport I’ve heard of.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
I guess you’re now a Fish fan, and I understand why.
notorious JRT
@El Caganer:
Not only that, former cheerleaders, too!
Bobby B.
This is the kind of shit “content supppliers” dream up to fill the need for space and $$$. You can see it on the network morning shows. My sister is a Testosterone Puppy for football: she’ll cheer and woo at all the studs stomping around, doesn’t matter who’s the team.
Mike J
@arky vaughn:
I understand the motivation. The Red Sox have sold a shitload of pink caps.
But this is mind boggling bad.
scav
Peale
So in this new future, men will be busy doing chores on Sunday so that women will be able to plop themselves in front of the TV and watch the game unmolested?
CONGRATULATIONS!
The women I’ve watched football with, throughout my life, don’t have time for “style tips and entertaining”, as they’re too busy screaming some REALLY original profanity at the refs. In fact, it was through these experiences that I first learned what “micropenis” was.
About the only difference between my female football buddies and my male football buddies is that the women are hitting the wine, while the guys hit the beer. Unless one of the girls brings over her homemade sangria, then everybody’s drinking that.
Mike J
The all caps makes it look like RED is supposed to be an acronym, but I didn’t see anything on the page that indicated it was. I couldn’t come up with any on my own. Something something Dames?
CONGRATULATIONS!
sigh. moderation for awesome comment. my life sucks.
scav
@CONGRATULATIONS!: We can wait, I’m sure some of us have some remedial reading to do before we attempt that tricky concept known as a clock.
Jeffro
I’m still trying to figure out how one leads alongside anything, unless one is perhaps a Bucs exec who wants dem wimmins to get excited but you know, not too excited or in charge of this thing
Scratch
Obviously the Bucs must be working with the advisors to the Republican outreach program to women.
Amir Khalid
The best thing a woman fan could do for this absurd, sexist 1950s throwback of an idea is to ignore it completely. Let its style tips go unheeded, its RED Lifestyle Lounge sessions be shunned.
OzarkHillbilly
I’m willing to bet $5 only men were involved in this. Any takers? Anybody?
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: Gave me a Zappa flashback:
His wife’s attending an orchid show
He schemed for a week to get her to go
But back in the bed his teenage Queen
Is rocking and rolling and acting obscene
Suzy! Suzy! Suzy Creamcheese!
dr. bloor
They letting Warren Sapp out of the can to be one of the Buc “legends” at the party?
Brendan in Charlotte
Betty – I think that most of the NFL teams have or do something like this. I’m hearing about both a Football 101 class, and one designed specifically for women put on by the Panthers. Just once I’d like to see footage of a woman in one of these classes dropping knowledge on the host – like the Arizona Coyotes hockey fan did toi the Mayor of Glendale in a public meeting.
KG
@Mike J: oh, I loathe the whole pink hat phenomenon, but at least when the Red Sox saw an opportunity to cash in they didn’t act like the women buying the hats had never seen a baseball game played before in their lives. I mean, those cardboard cut out ladies in the picture look like they came straight from central casting for “SEC Cheerleaders.”
trollhattan
Looks like Tampa are accomplishing their evident goal to become the Raiders of the east. Congrats, folks, and enjoy your new era of irrelevance.
sharl
@OzarkHillbilly: Mayyybe a junior staff person, secretary or office support person? Conversation may have gone something like this:
trollhattan
@OzarkHillbilly: Five’ll getcha ten at least one of those mens checked with his trophy wife/girlfriend first, and she was all, “Awesome, honey!”
ETA Or what Sharl said.
Roger Moore
In other sporting news, it looks as if Australia will go down to ignominious defeat in The Ashes. On the first day of the fourth test, they scored just 60 runs and were all out before lunch. England have put together 274/4 in the remainder of the day, and will probably be able to set Australia an unreachable target tomorrow.
Betty Cracker
@CONGRATULATIONS!: Rescued. You said the “p” word.
@Peale: Just as Jeebus intended.
Mike J
@KG: I was never bothered by the pink hats. Some women really do like “girly” things. The Red Sox will happily take a woman’s money and give her a pink OR a blue hat. Green is the color that matters.
Oh yeah, don’t forget the green Red Sox caps so everyone will know how Irish you are. Imagine if the web page that sold green Sox caps “explained” things to the Irish because they might not understand. “The wooden thing that looks like a shillelagh the Red Sox wave around so ineffectually? That’s called a ‘bat’.”
OzarkHillbilly
@sharl: @trollhattan: And 20 will get you 40 both women turned away snickering into their hands
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@trollhattan: Or the Buc’s owner is, as most of NFL/franchise owners seem to be, a Republican, “At Mitt’s convention, we offered the gals makeovers, and they loved it! We oughta do something like that. Get on it”
Gin & Tonic
@CONGRATULATIONS!: I think you just haven’t learned how to say penis safely.
gbear
Be really careful if they start offering perks like a boat excursion with the players. That didn’t work out so well with the Vikings.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: What “p” word, profanity?
Gin & Tonic
@Roger Moore: I have read cricket commentary on several sites. I know they are English words, assembled using English grammar, and I think I know English reasonably well, but I haven’t the slightest idea what they are saying.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Betty Cracker: thank you!
trollhattan
BTW, anybody else cringe at “RED is a movement”? I genuinely expected it to continue “that flows into a uniquely female fan involvement.”
OzarkHillbilly
@OzarkHillbilly: No, that wasn’t it….
JPL
@Brendan in Charlotte: I blame Goodell and he needs to go.
KG
@Mike J: the pink hats and the Red Sox “Nation” just seemed to me the worst kind of bandwagoning there was. I totally understand the idea of growing the fan base, but something about the Red Sox back then just annoyed me. Of course, I saw the same sort of thing happen a few years earlier when the Angels won the World Series – suddenly everyone in Orange County was an Angels fan, but they didn’t know who Rod Carew or Wally Joyner were.
Gin & Tonic
@Gin & Tonic: Here’s an example from Eurosport: “Broad struck five times in his first four overs, claiming his 300th test victim with the third ball of the morning when he had opener Chris Rogers caught at first slip by Cook for a duck.” Do they cook the duck for lunch, or what? I feel like this is a nonsense-talking Python skit or something.
raven
Years ago, when still living in Illinois, we planned a trip to Lakeland and had tickets for the Bears-Bucs game. After we had made our reservations they changed the game to an early start and we got to fly in and see the stadium as the game ended. The other time I was there was when the Illini played Clemson in 1991. The Tigers had an great option attack so they passed the shit out of the ball and beat us 30-0. I got nothing but shitty vibes about that place.
eta That year also sucked because Tech was co-national champs!
Gin & Tonic
@OzarkHillbilly: It was penis.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Nor are we supposed to. Back when shortwave was a thing I frequently listened to ABC (‘stralia Broadcasting Corp) and they’d have rugby, cricket and footie broadcasts. Rugby and footie are chaotic and unintelligible while cricket is luxurious in that baseball/golf way and likewise unintelligible. But they’d break for lunch and for tea, which I always found really civilized-sounding (especially for ‘stralia).
How many overs was that, again? When does an over begin and when is an over over?
Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim
@Amir Khalid: Yes, but Malaysia is a tropical country, and you may never have witnessed competitive writing-your-name-in-the-snow-with-pee. It’s a completely different sport for men and women.
trollhattan
@Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim:
Pretty sure they show that competitively on Fox Sports VII.
Amir Khalid
@Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim:
I have not heard of this sport called “competitive writing-your-name-in-the-snow-with-pee”. And I hope I never do.
Brendan in Charlotte
@JPL: He can go – after the courts uphold his 4 game suspension of Tommy Brady. He deserves every single game of it. I’m a Bills fan (and believe me, I want Coach Kromer sent packing), and that team gets away with everything. I would have given him 3 games, and made him sit out one against each AFC East opponent.
scav
@Gin & Tonic: I just assumed it (the duck) would be prepared rather like the eagles and birdies often found on the back nine. Served with chips?
trollhattan
Speaking of sports, have y’all been following the exploits of Katie Ledecky at the World Swimming Championships? Kicking arse and collecting names, she is.
Betty Cracker
@raven: It’s a new stadium now, so those demons should be exercised! If the Dawgs end up settling for an Outback bowl at some point, you should come down for the game!
Calouste
@trollhattan:
trollhattan
@Amir Khalid:
It’s the rare instance where lettering is scored more highly than cursive.
Brendan in Charlotte
@trollhattan: Yup – although I read that, and got a distinct Frank Valle/Grease vibe
Gimlet
Maybe the Bucs could trade for Tebow and change the rowdiness of the game?
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: At least if you watch footie you can more or less understand it (although who the hell plays a sport on an oval field?) And there’s plenty more reason for the womenfolk to enjoy it, with the short, tight shorts, sleeveless shirts and no padding.
I’ve been in Melbourne during the Grand Final – the city nearly shuts down.
rikyrah
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AH
……………..
Maine Supreme Court to LePage: You Botched Those Vetoes
ByTIERNEY SNEED
Published AUGUST 6, 2015, 2:36 PM EDT
The Maine State Supreme Court said Thursday that the 65 pieces of legislation that Gov. Paul LePage missed the deadline to veto should be considered laws. The justices sided with state lawmakers who refused to take up the vetoes in mid-July because the typical 10 day period the governor has to act on legislation had lapsed.
LePage argued that lawmakers had taken a type of adjournment that prevented him from returning the vetoes, and under the state constitution he was allowed him to wait until legislators reconvened for more than three days to send back the bills. Statehouse leaders of both parties, as well as most legal experts, had disagreed with the governor’s interpretation of the constitution.
The justices — issuing an opinion in what is known as a “solemn occasion” that was requested by the governor — said the state constitution was “ambiguous” on the issue, but that “context, governmental tradition and practice, and judicial precedent” had guided their decision.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/maine-supreme-court-lepage-veto-war?utm_content=bufferfb7f4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
raven
@Betty Cracker: Or sell my tickets like I do for the Cocktail Partty! Got my season tix yesterday and all I can do is stare at the Bama game and wonder what miracle will happen to let me be here instead of in LA for a wedding!
trollhattan
@Calouste:
Hilarious. Guessing with all that “who’s in and who’s out” confusion they’ll never add cricket to the Ghey Games.
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: And wehre the Anglo-Saxons have an advantage over the Eastern Europeans and Slavs.
kindness
Dear Betty. Sorry about the Bucs fan thingy. As a 49er fan I understand idiot owners who think they are geniuses (they aren’t). Out here we are about to start a season where my wildest hope is to go .500. I don’t know how these obscenely rich egos with legs got so rich when they are so stupid. At this point I think I picked a bad year to stop sniffing glue.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Sounds like a grand time, if a grievous threat to one’s liver.
scav
@trollhattan: Oh but they so should. The resulting play by play could leave Who’s on First in the dust.
NonyNony
Oh thank Grod. I read the headline and looked at the picture and I figured Ohio State had done something stupid…
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Wicked good!
JPL
@raven: We had heavy rains accompanied with strong winds. My trash can went rolling down the curb past a moving truck and finally wedged by a car. I didn’t check for damage to the car bumper but I have my fingers crossed.
The storms are moving towards you.
dedc79
It’s long been a point of pride for this NY Giants’ fan that the team has never stooped to having cheerleaders. I expect they’ll give in eventually. The Jets caved about 8 years and created the Flight Crew.
rikyrah
well deserved
……………
Vineyard Gazette @vineyardgazette
President Obama and his family are now scheduled to arrive Friday on Martha’s Vineyard for 16-day summer vacation. http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2015/08/06/president-obama-scheduled-arrive-friday-vineyard-vacation?k=vg54a3f87b53c75 …
9:43 AM – 6 Aug 2015
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
This case is pleasantly easy. Australia batted first and scored only 60 runs before using all 10 available outs*; that took a short enough time that they were finished before the lunch break, one of two substantial intermissions in each day’s play. England took over and managed to score 274 runs with only 4 of their 10 available outs, which shows just how pathetic Australia’s 60 runs is. Because The Ashes are a test (international) match, the game goes on for up to 5 days, with each team getting two turns to bat, and a draw resulting if the game has not concluded by the end of the 5 allotted days. England can presumably score a bunch more tomorrow, either by running all the way through their 11 batsmen or by scoring some really large number of runs and then “declaring”, i.e. turning play back over to Australia before England is all out. They might want to declare both because it’s sportsmanlike not to rub it in and because it preserves time so Australia can’t try to run out the clock and achieve a draw.
jl
@rikyrah: Thanks. I was wondering when this would fall out. Looks like the Main Supreme Court unanimously told LePage he just don’t know how the executizer governership leadering thing works.
raven
@JPL: Yea, it’s raining all around us.
PaulW
As a Bucs fan meself – cmon down and hang out at BucsNation website! – I am dismayed at how tone-deaf this marketing campaign is.
I know the Glazers are desperate to improve attendance turnout, but there’s an easier solution than half-assed sexist marketing campaigns.
Lower the goddamn ticket prices. The games are still too expensive to attend in-person.
As long as the cost of food and beer covers some of the wages of the people working those booths, I can live with the hot dog being $8. Deal is, those vendors better get paid for the hard heavy work they do all afternoon (and prep time in the morning) long.
Mean-time, any decent sports bar for watch parties? I’ve tried getting people to gather at Selmon’s down on International Dr. but nobody wants to hang out with me :(
bemused
@jl:
Does LePage understand how anything works?! Among the peabrain teapartiers, he’s definitely at the top of the stupid list. I wonder how long it took to learn how to tie his shoes.
RepubAnon
@Mike J: It does sound like a PR campaign designed by a bunch of Pickup Artists. I’m sure that whatever “RED” stands for will be demeaning to women in some way – but perhaps I’m too cynical.
Of course, the team’s color is red, so perhaps they felt constrained.
goblue72
@Mike J: That right there – no matter how sexist it is, no matter how much derision amongst the fanbase it engendered – at the end of the day, the Red Sox sold a TON of those pink hats. Specifically marketed for women as something more “girly” than the standard blue Sox hat for the “boys”.
They do it because it works.
Case in point – last season I happened to be at a Mariners home game during what turned out to be “Ladies Night”. The concessions concourse area was taken over by a “Ladies Fun Zone” or some other such equally silly name. There were a bunch of booths of activities aimed at “Ladies”. What were they? Makeup counters for “make-overs”, hairdo/up-do booths, pink T-shirt stands, etc. There was a DJ spinning various “lady-centric” Top 40 tunes by Taylor Swift, Adele and Katy Perry. And instead of ballpark beer, they were serving what looked like some sort of Smirnoff Ice type thing plus frozen strawberry margaritas.
It was, quite literally, every sexist trope of “Ladies Night” you could come up with. And it was….packed.
If it didn’t sell, they wouldn’t do it.
jl
@bemused: IANAL but I looked at some of the decision posted at TPM. Looks like the Maine SC just plain called LePage on his BS, in a civil and appropriately solemn and judicious way.
Question about LePage is what his level of stupidity is. Maybe not so stupid as to think there was a real issue here, but probably a higher level of stupid that allowed him to think he could get away with this too-clever-by-half BS.
Edit: on other hand, the whole thing might have been a political stunt. He couldn’t have vetoed the bills and not have the rest of the Maine state and local governments go on an apeshit crazy warpath against him, but he wanted to keep his nutcase teaparty supporters on board. The tea peoples will swallow any sort of nonsense, so maybe this humiliation (at least among normal people) was the best way out.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: It’s raining here and gloriously cool. And wet, but still, cool. How’s the roof on the addition?
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
OK, I can translate. Broad recorded 5 outs (struck five times) in his first four overs. Unlike baseball, where pitchers pitch a bunch and then leave the field, cricket teams have several bowlers on the field at a time, where they alternate bowling and playing some fielding position. Each bowler will bowl only 6 balls (one over) at a time, after which another bowler at the other end of the pitch takes over. Broad got his first out (and his 300th in a full-length international game) on his third ball, when he got the first batter to hit the ball to Cook, who was fielding at the first slip position, i.e. positioned to catch balls that the batter barely deflected away from himself. A “duck” is like a goose egg in American sports, meaning Rogers was out for no runs, which is embarrassing for any batter, but especially one who is strong enough to hit at the top of the lineup.
Doug R
@dedc79: if they had cheerleaders they’d look all look like Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
cmorenc
@Betty Cracker:
Well most of us guys have had some long-past moments when we were standing on something screaming about shit or when we did some loudmouth shit-talking about pussy (strangely, however, never at a moment when we thought any actual women were around to hear), and most of us are damn lucky that few of the people who are important to us now, many years later, know about those incidents, and the few who do are in on the conspiracy with us because they were right there doing the same shit too and know better than to talk about it around anyone else.
In short, we eventually grew up and grew some respect and some sense.
However, we never raped anyone or stole any shit.
bemused
@jl:
Thinking one can get away with BS is in the DNA of old white male republican farts except that they really convince themselves it’s not BS just to get what they want. LePage acts exactly like some of the old idiots I know. Petty, know-it-alls who whine and lie when something doesn’t go their way. The difference is that 99% of them have little or no power to do much harm, thankfully.
Elizabelle
To remind us all to stay out of Starbucks for a while:
Howard Schulz has laid another op ed in the NYTimes. It’s No Labels on steroids. Both parties have failed us. Waaaah!
Howard Schultz: America Deserves a Servant Leader
But it ain’t going to be him.
Oh Gawd.
Iowa Old Lady
@goblue72: I like to pretend that’s a Secret Society of Women who are trolling the people planning this crap.
Steve in the ATL
@raven:
Yeah, that was fucking bullshit!
bemused
@jl:
I would think that he had advisors that may have pointed out potential problems to him. If they did, my guess is that he didn’t listen to his advisors because he thinks he’s the smart guy and knows better than they do.
Benw
@Steve in the ATL: I call BS on your bullshit! Go Jackets!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elizabelle: I skimmed through the comments, thinking that pablum would elicit (ETA: fixed with an auto-eyeroll… I’m very tired today) some good snark, but gave up after the third poor soul praised it as “eloquent”. If anything, I think Chait goes too easy on him, though I was surprised to see him say Schultz wants/wanted to promote Obama’s agenda, and I’d still be the next month’s mortgage payment that the top of Schultz’s agenda is “common sense entitlement reform”
BGK
@raven:
I was there for that game. And when we got blown out by LSU in the 2002 Sugar Bowl. Good times.
Elizabelle
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Made me wonder if Schultz is actually hankering for Bobo’s vacation replacement slot.
boatboy_srq
Wait. There’s a Red Women’s Movement – and it’s launched by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Wasn’t that ALEC’s job?
gene108
They have one day cricket. Easier to familiarize yourself with the rules by watching a one day match. It’s more in line with what other sports fans are familiar with, as the game does not go on for 5 days, with a potential tie at the end.
You get the basics down, without having to deal with the cricket arcana that a Test Match has.
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Roof’s done and they just finished the insulation of the walls. Pretty cool, they spray damp cellulose between the studs and then smooth it level. I see now why out guy thinks our current hvac will handle the addition. It is very energy efficient. Sheetrock will be here tomorrow and hung starting Monday. We’re gonna bolt for the low country for a quick getaway Saturday.
raven
sent forward
Tree With Water
The NFL ownership groups are in the process of chopping the neck off their golden goose, slice by thin slice. When I was born, I was brought home to a house five short blocks from a high school-munincipal stadium, one that served as the 49ers home until 1971. Flash Forward: 40 years (and a digital revolution) later finds the team hosting this year’s Super Bowl in their new 1.4 Billion dollar stadium. The owners are greed heads- end of story. Commissar Goodell is incompetent. But the super genius owners pay him $50 million a year to steer their ship, even as he pilots it into-and-onto the shoals. Above all, for me it was Junior Seau’s suicide that shocked me out of my studied, blind-eyed complacency. Goodell’s (et.al.) unerringly wretched decision making thereafter helped extinguish much of my love of the game. And it wasn’t long ago that I assumed I’d be a die hard fan for life, either. Still, it was a nice ride while it lasted. At least I have great childhood memories of Kezar Stadium and its bench seating, cheering on the Niners and a game I used to love..
Betty Cracker
@PaulW: In Tampa proper, I’m partial to the Press Box on Dale Mabry. I’m seriously torn about watching at all this year with Winston at the helm. Oh well, with our lousy O-line, he’ll spend a good part of every game on his ass, so maybe I’ll tune in after all…
Sibelius
@Tree With Water: My parents’ first date was a Niner game at Kezar. I feel exactly the same way. I was with this team through Brodie, Spurrier (before he was the ol’ ball coach!), the nameless losing years in between, then finally, the year after my father died they won it all ( we always thought he had a hand in it, either with”the catch” or the subsequent game saving shoe string tackle). It’s been a sad decline, And in the new stadium they can’t even get the grass to grow!
I still get excited about it, but then someone gets arrested or some other such thing and I say, forget it.
jayjaybear
Sorry, but the Bucs will always be the Pittsburgh Pirates to me…
(Blast from the western PA past: o/`Let’s go see the Bucs! What are ya waitin’ for? Let’s go see the Bucs! At Three Rivers Stadium, with all of the action and all of the fun! Hey, let’s goooooo see the Bucs! o/`)
kc
@trollhattan:
You’re overthinking it.
Dan B
Betty;
In case you’re debating whether or not to buy a or upgrade your sump pump and storm shutters / house stilts: NOAA long range forecasts are also picking up the signal of powerful storm track intensification over the Gulf Coast and the Southeastern US. …For the US, the upshot is powerful storms slamming a region from Texas through the Carolinas from September through February. Florida, Coastal Georgia and the U.S. Gulf Coast are particularly hard-hit in the forecast.
http://robertscribbler.com/2015/08/04/november-type-gales-hit-england-in-august-looks-like-a-weird-atmospheric-response-to-el-nino-climate-change-may-be-unfolding/#comments
Your post on the recent flood in Tampa may be just the beginning.
Nick
What’s the story here? Sports can be sexist? NO. FUCKING. WAY. Next thing you are going to tell me that Florida sucks.
Rusty
Is there any city with 2 professional sports teams that have such a huge disparity of perceived intelligence of management than there exists btwn the Bucs and the Rays?
Origuy
@Dan B: Anywhere that you need to look at the tides table to figure out if you can get out of your house is not going to be a great place to live in a few years.
Ken
As a lifelong Browns fan, my impression is that their Management is the most effed up group in the NFL. There’s a chance I may still be right, but the Buccaneers organization seems pretty determined..
Ken
@Rusty: Browns & Indians, maybe?
A guy
If the teams wins the rape allegations will be forgotten.
sukabi
did they run out of women for their players to r@pe?
low-tech cyclist
Hey Betty, thanks for calling off the rain while my family and I are in central Florida!
Paul in KY
@Gin & Tonic: It sounds even better when you do it in a John Cleese voice!
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: There’s a lot of skill to it.
Paul in KY
@bemused: He reminds me of that doofus they had out in Arizona years ago: Meachum, I think his name was.