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Open Thread: Pie In The Sky

by Zandar|  August 14, 201512:37 pm| 105 Comments

This post is in: Food, Humorous, Open Threads

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See a need, fill a need.

After an April Fools’ joke of helicopter pizza delivery left pizza-craving islanders thinking wishfully, a Dominos in the St. Maarten airport has officially teamed up with the airline Winair to offer small, neighboring islands pizza delivered by plane.

Audrey Agard, a manager at the Dominos location, told Mashable that since the service launched earlier this month, it has become quite popular — with several requests per day.

The food service is taking advantage of existing flights already scheduled to the islands. So when a customer calls to order a pizza, they are able to pick an arrival time and the pizza is baked right before departure. Typical fight times range from 15 to 20 minutes, depending on the island and weather conditions.

So what will this cost? As of right now, Agard said the delivery fee will only set customers back $2.75. The only downside that we can see is how jealous plane passengers will be when the delicious pizza smell takes over the plane’s cabin.

Unfortunately, for pizza enthusiasts, they’ll still have to drive to the airport in order to pickup their pizza from Winair, but that’s better than no pizza at all.

Be sure to tip your pilot.  You’re also on your own for obligatory “case of the munchies” jokes, this being Caribbean pizza delivery and all.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    The US flag was just raised over the American embassy in Havana.

  2. 2.

    Benw

    August 14, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    Wow, only in America! What a great country.

  3. 3.

    ThresherK

    August 14, 2015 at 12:43 pm

    St. Maarten isn’t the first place I think of when I think “pizza”, but…Domino’s?

    I’ve gotta go to Frank Pepe’s to get the idea of that taste out of my mouth.

  4. 4.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    @ThresherK: Shows you how much demand there is for pizza down there that they would fly in Dominoes. No telling how much a real pizza would go for.

  5. 5.

    scav

    August 14, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    @Benw:

    Wow, only in America! What a great country.

    That comment works on so very many levels.

  6. 6.

    redshirt

    August 14, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    @beltane: Is there a Domino’s in Havana yet?

    When do the casinos open?

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    Ye olde geezer’s turn to cook for (up to, dependent on who shows) 16 for the Sat. night gathering.

    Settled on a menu of chicken marsala over wild rice, bourbon glazed carrots and butternut squash/mascarpone gnocchi.

    As there is one person who shuns mushrooms and another onions (even though will be using only shallots), also making roasted taters.

    Have to make the gnocchi mix Friday and let it refrigerate overnight. Otherwise, it will be a cooking cyclone come Saturday.

  8. 8.

    ThresherK

    August 14, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    @Paul in KY: In my “history of TV” reading I seem to remember ABC beating the richer, more popular NBC and CBS to the punch airing the first film of QE2’s coronation in the USA in 1952. If memory serves, the footage (film, of course) was developed in a darkroom on a special plane by technicians while they were winging back over the North Atlantic. (I probably copped this from Erik Barnouw.)

    So, if they could do that sixty years ago, how difficult can it be to put a good pizza oven in a plane?

  9. 9.

    gian

    August 14, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    Seems like a perfect place for Amazon drone delivery. If they can get the battery life to work

  10. 10.

    bemused

    August 14, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Pizza by air, yippee! Dominos, um, pass on that, my pizza craving just disappeared.

  11. 11.

    Bobby Thomson

    August 14, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    @ThresherK: mmmmm. Pepe’s clam pie.

  12. 12.

    Fr33d0m

    August 14, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    St. Maarten is not easy to fly into–its easier to fly into the sea there than to land properly. Its interesting that the risk is worth it.

  13. 13.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    About the best one can say about Domino’s pizza is that it beats out Little Caesar’s.

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    August 14, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    @bemused:
    Artisanal pizza is no doubt wonderful and puts multinational corporate behemoth pizza to shame, but people will never know that for themselves until the pizza makers take the initiative and put together the resources to deliver pizzas to wherever there are hungry people. Which is a real shame.

  15. 15.

    mainmata

    August 14, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    Domino’s pizza is to real pizza as Salisbury steak is to fillet mignon. Bleagh!

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    @Fe33d0m

    Treacherous? Fewer than a dozen pilots total worldwide officially qualified to land at the airport in Bhutan.

  17. 17.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    @ThresherK: Sure they could do it. Don’t know if I would want to fly in a plane that has an operational pizza oven. Wonder what FAA would say about that?

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    @Paul in KY

    Wood-fired would be, shall we say, problematic.

  19. 19.

    redshirt

    August 14, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    @beltane: Is there a Domino’s in Havana yet?

  20. 20.

    Calouste

    August 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    @Benw: St. Maarten is its own country.

  21. 21.

    boatboy_srq

    August 14, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    @NotMax: Anything but electric would be problematic. Add to that the difficulty in maintaining cabin pressure/temp/humidity, and determining when to bake (best at level flight, and removing and slicing during descent could be as dangerous as wood-fired at any altitude). And don’t pizza-cutters make the TSA prohibited list?

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    Insomnia has its uses: got around to hanging a newly purchased and put together 22w &#215: 25h × 8d cabinet in the kitchen, solely for spices, at 3 in the morning

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    August 14, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    Bad coding fix.

    Insomnia has its uses: got around to hanging a newly purchased and put together 22w × 25h × 8d cabinet in the kitchen, solely for spices, at 3 in the morning

  24. 24.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    My husband’s family in Curacao, another one of the Netherlands’ Caribbean territories, love to eat at Denny’s, a place we would only eat at in the most desperate of circumstances. Dominos is in that same category of food I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy, but some people really love it.

  25. 25.

    PurpleGirl

    August 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    @Benw: “What a [great] country” must be said in a voice copying Yakov Smirnoff.

  26. 26.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    @beltane: Good. About bleeding time.

  27. 27.

    Calouste

    August 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    The WaPo has an article up about Trump’s ground game in Iowa, and it looks like the man is very serious:

    Trump has made only occasional campaign stops in Iowa, and he eschews the small retail appearances that other candidates make.

    Making up for his absence is the “TRUMP”-emblazoned bus. The campaign advertises on the Web when the bus will be in a town. Residents turn out to get Trump yard signs, Trump pins and Trump T-shirts. More important, they leave their names and contact information and take home kits explaining how to become caucus captains in their precincts, distribute bumper stickers and write letters to the editors of local papers.

    I think Trump makes only occasional retail appearances because he judges that doing many of them would diminish his celebrity appeal.

  28. 28.

    Thoughtful Today

    August 14, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    NOOooo!

    “Domino’s pizza is that it beats out Little Caesar’s.”

    Such perfidy can not stand!

    Little Caesar’s beats Dominos.

    :)

  29. 29.

    the Conster

    August 14, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    The smell of food on planes and trains makes me crazy. Anytime someone grabs McDonalds then gets on with me, makes me distracted and hungry even if I just ate, because there’s no better smell in the world than McDonald’s fries. Pizza and chinese food too. It gets stuck in your head until you have to have it.

    @beltane:

    I have vacationed in Curacao – the food was terrible. The Dutch aren’t exactly known for their cuisine. If I had to eat one more gouda bowl filled with ground meat I was going to scream and would have gone to Denny’s if I knew where it was.

  30. 30.

    ThresherK

    August 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    @Paul in KY: If we’re gonna play fantasy, then my fantasy is that it’s not a passenger plane. Think of an airborne version of a good version of a food truck.

  31. 31.

    gian

    August 14, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    @Calouste:
    Trump tickles the 80s Reagan nostalgia in a way none of the other GOP candidates do.

  32. 32.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    @beltane: I bet their Dennys are better than our Dennys.

  33. 33.

    Amir Khalid

    August 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    @Calouste:
    If the Donald is in it to win it in enough states, he could last much longer into the primaries than his “serious” competition was counting on. This is (cue theme from Jaws) OMINOUS.

  34. 34.

    KG

    August 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    @Calouste: depends on which side of the island you’re on. The north side is technically part of France. The south is a constituent country within the kingdom of the Netherlands.

    Beautiful island though…

  35. 35.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    @ThresherK: I didn’t think I was playing fantasy. Putting a pizza oven in a plane is something I can see someone trying.

  36. 36.

    KG

    August 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: if you’re choosing between dominos and littler Caesars you probably should reevaluate the life choices that brought you to such a place

  37. 37.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    @KG: A friend of mine who visited St. Maartens said: ‘Everything that is good for you is very expensive & everything that is bad for you is dirt cheap’.

    Haven’t visited there, so I have no idea how true that is. He visited back in late 90s.

  38. 38.

    Amir Khalid

    August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    @boatboy_srq:
    If I understand the story right, Domino’s bakes its “pizzas” on the ground and then has them delivered by plane.

  39. 39.

    Cacti

    August 14, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    Bought my tickets for opening night of Straight Outta Compton last night.

    I’m such a dork.

    But I’m unapologetically looking forward to it.

    Can’t believe Eazy E’s been dead for 20 years now, and that I’m older now than he was when he passed.

  40. 40.

    kindness

    August 14, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    Delicious???? I thought the article said it was Dominos Pizza.

  41. 41.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 14, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Family Faith Freedom Tour in Houston today. Advocating dissolving the 9th circuit, saying gays want to make your children their slaves so we should kill them all, the usual.

  42. 42.

    KG

    August 14, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    @Amir Khalid: he’s leading in all four of the early states and in some cases by large margins. If he manages to win two and place or show in the other two, he’ll be in a very strong position for Super Tuesday. It’ll be interesting to see what happens during the four early contests as far as thinning the field and what that will do for Trump. It’ll also be fun to see what happens if he picks up even the slight air of inevitability

  43. 43.

    Cacti

    August 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Family Faith Freedom Tour in Houston today. Advocating dissolving the 9th circuit, saying gays want to make your children their slaves so we should kill them all, the usual.

    So, all the stuff that Jesus would be saying himself if he were around today, right? lol

  44. 44.

    KG

    August 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    @Paul in KY: I’ve been once, as a teenager in the mid90s. One stop on a family vacation cruise. My memories are vague, but what I remember of all the islands was good.

  45. 45.

    scav

    August 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    OK, now I’m wondering about the complexities involved in baking pizza on a plane that is filled with otters.

  46. 46.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    @Paul in KY: Think of all the heat you are otherwise throwing away into the atmosphere.

  47. 47.

    Felanius Kootea

    August 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    The pizza delivery video was pretty cool – a cliff landing on one of the shortest commercial runways in the world. But all that for Dominos Pizza? Sounds like they need to get more pizza places in the Caribbean.

  48. 48.

    shell

    August 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    So..why doesn’t somebody open up a pizza stand on these islands, if theres a demand?

  49. 49.

    Doug R

    August 14, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    @boatboy_srq: maybe a heat bleed off the engine but I think the flight’s too short

  50. 50.

    gene108

    August 14, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    @Calouste:

    Trump’s ground game in Iowa

    From what I’ve gathered from the internet, Trump, on paper at least, seems to have a large team in place in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada.

    Whether or not these folks will actually do the work needed or are just grifters, I do not know.

    But if Trumps people are serious, he’s not going away.

    The reason Romney outlasted the not-Romneys, is because Romney was the only candidate with functioning operations, donor networks, etc. in place in each state.

    Trump maybe able to skip the donor networks part, so if his team is serious, he’s in it for the long haul.

    Edit: If the rumors about Trump being a Clinton ratfucking operation are true, what I’d love is for him, at the GOP convention, to say “the only reason I ran, is because my good friends the Clintons asked me to. Therefore, I must now decline the nomination.” AND BOOM! Watch the fun begin.

  51. 51.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    August 14, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    @scav:

    Did someone say “otter cam”?

    montereybayaquarium.org/animals-and-experiences/live-web-cams/sea-otter-cam

    And if you didn’t, you should have. ;-)

  52. 52.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    Back to Erick Erickson asking “Can We Recalibrate?” redstate.com/2015/08/14/can-we-recalibrate/

    1) Wonkette’s hilarious in taking EE down for this one…

    2) The comments section at RedState itself is even better – every other commenter thinks the hate mail EE has received is actually Soros-funded, Alinskyite dirty tricks from the DemoRATs. Oh my. They’re gonna eat each other alive this election cycle…

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    @Jeffro: Like so:

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this bunch of invective is, in fact, being generated by the OWS crowds. I’m extremely suspicious of Trumps motives.

  54. 54.

    Doug R

    August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    @scav: The plane is probably an Otter

  55. 55.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    @Jeffro: Here’s another, offered with a heavy dose of irony:

    My take: I would expect that a large portion of those posts are from democrat operatives. They do do that kind of thing, you know. It truly is a part of their DNA to be fraudulent. I just don’t buy it that serious conservatives are that vile. Naïve? Hope not. But I give the benefit of the doubt to fellow conservatives.

    I posted my thoughts on Trump, Meygan and Erick a couple days ago. In summary, I am angry, primarily at stupid Republicans.

  56. 56.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    @scav: Mmmmm…otter pizza. Make mine with banana peppers please & onions.

  57. 57.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    @beltane:

    They’re serving Cuban pork in the commissary today. Coincidence?

    (Well, yes, probably, but a tasty, tasty coincidence that will be my lunch.)

  58. 58.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Like the heat that emanates from jet engines & the like?

  59. 59.

    Cacti

    August 14, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    @Jeffro:

    2) The comments section at RedState itself is even better – every other commenter thinks the hate mail EE has received is actually Soros-funded, Alinskyite dirty tricks from the DemoRATs. Oh my. They’re gonna eat each other alive this election cycle…

    At another lefty political blog, I saw Bernie supporters (at least they held themselves out as such), suggesting that BLM was a Soros-funded front to help Hillary.

    But I’m thinking they were a mole. A true Bernie fringer would have accused them of being a Koch brothers front.

  60. 60.

    gene108

    August 14, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    @shell:

    So..why doesn’t somebody open up a pizza stand on these islands, if theres a demand?

    Maybe ingredients are hard to come by?

    Maybe wheat and tomatoes are hard to grow and they do not have good grazing land for a large enough dairy industry…and importing those ingredients would be cost prohibitive…

  61. 61.

    Amir Khalid

    August 14, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    @shell:
    Think of the expense of importing pizza ingredients to these islands — the right kind of flour for the crust, the mozzarella and other cheeses, sausage, etc.

  62. 62.

    Benw

    August 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    @Calouste: that’s the joke!

    @PurpleGirl: in my head it sounds like the doofy “African” accent Eddie Murphy used in “Coming to America”, but Yakov works too!

  63. 63.

    Jeffro

    August 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    @Cacti:

    At another lefty political blog, I saw Bernie supporters (at least they held themselves out as such), suggesting that BLM was a Soros-funded front to help Hillary.

    But I’m thinking they were a mole. A true Bernie fringer would have accused them of being a Koch brothers front.

    Exactly! Come on GOP moles – why would Soros fund intra-Dem warfare? Your attempts at rodent-copulation should at least make sense! lol

  64. 64.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    The idea of eating a steaming hot pizza in the tropics doesn’t really appeal to me. Dominos is more like room temperature cardboard so it may not be so bad.

    The ingredients for all other kinds of non-indigenous food are imported to Caribbean islands on a routine basis. Why would pizza be any different?

  65. 65.

    Mike J

    August 14, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    @KG:

    if you’re choosing between dominos and littler Caesars you probably should reevaluate the life choices that brought you to such a place

    Especially since you can make better yourself with water, yeast, and flour, plus whatever toppings you like.

  66. 66.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    @beltane:
    I don’t think they really love it, it’s what is available. When on the event site in my last job it was eat out for 4-8 days at a time. A pizza delivered for lunch was eaten by what looked like ravenous dogs. Even if it was Domino’s. And Denny’s for breakfast wasn’t all that bad, all things considered, like how much time one had before the day started, much too early.

  67. 67.

    Cacti

    August 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    And since there isn’t a FP post on it…

    Big congrats to President Obama and SoS Kerry on the reopening of the US Embassy in Havana.

  68. 68.

    Amir Khalid

    August 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    @beltane:
    Tropical people like hot food too. Trust me on this.

  69. 69.

    Jparente

    August 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Sorry. I’m a NYer. Consequently a Pizza Snob. Totono’s in Coney Island is the best in the NY area, hence the world. (excluding genuine Neopolitan, of course). ;-)

  70. 70.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I’m Italian and greasy pizza on a hot, humid day is something I won’t touch. It’s not the heat, it’s the heat combined with dairy, really grosses me out.

  71. 71.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    @Jparente: Yep, genuine pizza is not a greasy, larded up slab of awfulness. It is light, tasty, and only moderately filling.

  72. 72.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    You guys are getting me hungry for pizza. That’s bad, bad I say! Pizza is not on my diet. I won’t give in, no I won’t! I won’t give in…………

  73. 73.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    August 14, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    “Pizza” is a sufficiently broad category that they could probably whip something up with mostly local ingredients and only need to import flour and cheese. So I will instead place the blame on the cuisines of the French and Dutch colonists, neither of which have ever produced anything pizza-like.

  74. 74.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Glad to have an expert here :-)

  75. 75.

    Paul in KY

    August 14, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    Leaving for the weekend. Any Juicer in CKY area ought to drop by Woodland Arts fair in Chevy Chase, Lexington. 40th year. Very nice fair & weather supposed to be great.

    Hope all have a great weekend!

  76. 76.

    scav

    August 14, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    I’d imagine there’s also a certain cachet to eating the same stuff everyone else (non-islanders) do. Exotic! AsSeenOnTV! And then the cachet and novelty of delivery! Bit of an affordable thrill. Extrapolating a bit from my parents descriptions of the thrill (and quality) of “foreign” food served in restaurants during their youths.

  77. 77.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): The pizza from the region my family’s from rarely has cheese and only sometimes has tomatoes. Squid, escarole, or whatever else is on hand is the traditional topping.

  78. 78.

    beltane

    August 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    My husband says I’m a pizza tyrant so I apologize for any over the top comments.

    The memory of the burning cheese smell outside the Original Ray’s in Greenwich Village still nauseates me. Some blame this place for the demise of traditional New York, Neapolitan derived pizza.

  79. 79.

    Cervantes

    August 14, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    @shell:

    So..why doesn’t somebody open up a pizza stand on these islands, if theres a demand?

    Statius and Saba, the islands in question, are small — no more than eight square miles each — and one of them is mostly a volcano.

    As for Sint Maarten, there is good pizza there, not only the ridiculous fraud perpetrated by Domino’s.

  80. 80.

    Mike in NC

    August 14, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    St. Maarten is a place that caters to cruise ships, and they do a lot of business selling watches and cameras and other consumer goods tax-free. You can also get deals where stuff costs about half what it would cost here in the states. One of the resorts we stayed at had a liquor store where, for example, a bottle of Stoli was $7.

  81. 81.

    p.a.

    August 14, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    Just had my first taste of fermented tofu, Taiwan style. Would describe it as like soft cheese from a dirty sock washed in tobasco sauce. But not in a bad way.

  82. 82.

    Randy P

    August 14, 2015 at 2:42 pm

    @beltane: and eaten with a knife and fork. Which I will admit to doing when in Europe and surrounded by knife-and-forkers, though every fiber of my being cries out to pick it up, fold it the long way and start nibbling.

  83. 83.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 14, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    @Cervantes: one of them is mostly a volcano.

    So in other words they can get the oven hot enough for real pizza.

  84. 84.

    Betty

    August 14, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    It is probably the US medical students on Saba ordering the pizza. There is some decent pizza on the French side, but it is far from the airport. Dominos has an operation at the airport.

  85. 85.

    Ruckus

    August 14, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    @scav:
    Very little pizza in Alaska either. So there are pizza’s flown to small villages. Prices I’ve heard seem rather expensive for a pie. Also some of the shops have trouble getting and keeping ingredients useable so that adds to the cost because everything has to be flown in. Or out.

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    August 14, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    Fired up the TV—off all day! blessed silence—to watch Aston Villa vs. Manchester United on NBC Sports. It’s good to have the Premier League back in session.

  87. 87.

    Big Picture Pathologist

    August 14, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    What a horrible waste of gas.

  88. 88.

    Cervantes

    August 14, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    @Big Picture Pathologist:

    What a horrible waste of gas.

    These are already-scheduled flights, not meant only for transportation of alleged pizza.

  89. 89.

    AnderJ

    August 14, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    I like pie!

  90. 90.

    WereBear

    August 14, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    @NotMax: butternut squash/mascarpone gnocchi

    Wow.

    Of course, you had be at gnocchi…

  91. 91.

    Geeno

    August 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: The children or the gays?

  92. 92.

    bystander

    August 14, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    @NotMax: Giving new meaning to a Stairway to Heaven fireworks display.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 14, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Just saw Jeb! getting heckled in Iowa about Iraq

    Guy in crowd: “Your brother signed the deal” SOFA, presumably
    Jeb!: “It could’ve been modified and that was the expectation”

    So…. his brother signed an international agreement he didn’t think the United States should adhere to? Also, “could’ve been modified”, we could get a better deal with Iran, we could have Obamacare with all the stuff you like and none of the stuff you (think you) don’t. How? With what Iraqi government? Should we have agreed to letting US personnel be subject to Iraqi law enforcement? IIRC that was the main sticking point between Obama and Malike, who both did, in fact, want to maintain a substantial US presence

    (And now MSNBC is going to get to the important stuff, gossip about Gore– who has already shot down the rumors– and Biden, who I think really should)

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    Tree With Water

    August 14, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    “Gov. Scott Walker signed a bill Wednesday to subsidize the arena, which could cost the public twice as much as originally projected. Echoing the owners’ arguments, the governor proclaimed that the arena, a practice facility and a promised “entertainment district” would spur a renaissance for downtown Milwaukee and attract tourists. Income taxes paid by the pro athletes, the governor said, would fill local coffers…

    ….Nor was the timing of the arena deal auspicious. The governor and legislators approved the arena just one month after they made deep $250 million cuts in the prestigious University of Wisconsin system”.

    He’s typical of them all, and Americans will not tolerate that caliber fiscal misbehavior by any political party for much longer. The country needs a democratic candidate that can differentiate between the deluded who vote for the hucksters and the hucksters themselves; one willing to call out republican leadership for the liars and thieves they are, that they can be electorally crushed. I want the GOP extinguished discredited, extinguished as a national power. What the country really needs is a democratic candidate with the political courage to state unequivocally that Bush-Cheney conspired to plot war, so war came.. That would be a most excellent place to begin the conversation.

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    gene108

    August 14, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    @Jeffro:

    I read the some of the Red State comments. This one sticks out, because he/she is critical of Republicans for failing to address the problems the alternate reality created by right-wing media has been feeding her/him:

    EE….I am sorry that you have had to read these e-mails. They are crude. Here is where I am coming from. I am very angry. I also know that calling the inside the beltway boys is a waste of time. I have not the money nor power to do anything about it. However, what has happened here is that the “sleeping giant”…the people who didn’t vote…the LIVs are mad…and that is an understatement. They have been abandoned by their representatives. Do you realize that we have funded the selling of baby parts…yes our representatives, via McConnell did that. Do you realize that we are over run with Illegals. Do you realize that North Dakota has a petition going to stop people from Somalia, Iraq, etc. etc. from being re-located in their towns? Do you realize that we have left our military to die. We have funded Iran to the tune of $150 billion…and that is if they don’t take the deal. Do you realize that the EPA just dumped arsenic into the Colorado River? The environmentalist SUPREME did that and the Western part of the USA has water problems. Do you know that Obama bad mouths patriotic Americans every single time he opens his mouth? Do you realize that the man lies…and lies…and lies…and nobody does a damned thing about it. Cruz is spot on when he says that we have a Washington Cartel…

    Just a thing of beauty…

    I want Washington Republicans to pass legislation, which can plane shift to his alternate reality and make everything better…

    It really does seem right-wingers are getting consumed by the beast they created.

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    redshirt

    August 14, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @gene108: Such breathtaking stupidity, and yet, their vote is as good as yours or mine!

  97. 97.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 14, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    @gene108: Do you realize that the EPA just dumped arsenic into the Colorado River?

    I’ve looked at a couple of write-ups on that story, trying to find out if, as I suspect, the actual damage was done by a private company that had been hired by the EPA to clean up the mess left by a private mining company operating in an unregulated business environment, long-term socialization of expense long after the private profit has been harvested.

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    Keith G

    August 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    @redshirt:

    …and yet, their vote is as good as yours or mine!

    That’s the way it should be. We just have to step up our game.

    The Democratic Party for quite some time seems have given up on the folks of fly-over country and given up on the levels of government and communication that most interacts with them.

    I understand. It’s pretty fucking hard and inglorious work (for people as smart and accomplished as progressives), but leaving them (the local yokels) in a void has created room for conservatives to have their way with them. School boards, county commissions and state legislatures can all vibrate at the same frequency and communicate the same messages.

    The party of the president is significant, but I think it is doubtful that further important change will continue unless we get better at moving things at the neighborhood and county level. It’s a daunting challenge and I am not overly optimistic that enough liberals/progressives will buy into it.

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    Another Holocene Human

    August 14, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    @Geeno: They already kill willful children, but in Texas, the gays are often armed.

  100. 100.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 14, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    @Keith G:

    The Democratic Party for quite some time seems have given up on the folks of fly-over country and given up on the levels of government and communication that most interacts with them.

    How? In what way? Appalachia went GOP because the Sheriff is Near. Nobody made them do that.

    Southern Dem parties are fucking basketcases. Yeah, I guess blame the DNC … and every other national organization that only spends so much money trying to ‘fix’ the South. The fix has to come from within. Florida had a few good years. GA and NC are making a good run for it. VA just had enough sane people move in to move the needle. SC, AL, MS, who the hell knows. AR has kiddy diddling and Jesus, so they don’t need your “facts” and “logic”. MO, well we’ve seen their Hell’s heart. TX. Ugh.

    The West? Try to tell me the Dems are not investing in Western Senate races, I will call you a liar.

    The Midwest? You tell me. The Dems didn’t pull out of the Midwest. In fact the Dems and Labor poured a good chunk of change into the Midwest. If they are voting GOP because spite and “those people” and Jeebus it’s not for lack of trying on the Dems’ parts.

  101. 101.

    Keith G

    August 14, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Family Faith Freedom Tour in Houston today. Advocating dissolving the 9th circuit, saying gays want to make your children their slaves so we should kill them all, the usual.

    I live in Houston and the good news is that this is the first I have heard of this. Seems to not be making a big splash here ’bouts.

  102. 102.

    Keith G

    August 14, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: I spent time growing up in Ohio before my move to Texas. As I left Ohio, I noticed how conservatives were were organizing to be a force in local governments up there. I saw it in spades down here as I settled in.

    The West? Try to tell me the Dems are not investing in Western Senate races, I will call you a liar.

    Note that I was excluding federal level politics, so you can save it.

    so they don’t need your “facts” and “logic”

    They may not, but their kids do. The only fight you are certain to lose is the one you do not begin.

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    John M. Burt

    August 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    And one day, pizza delivery by air will be among the standard citations of the kind of idiocy people of the early 21sr Century were still inventing, even as they understood how much damage burning fossil fuels was causing to their environment, and how little cheaply-accessible oil was left.
    The flying pizza delivery will be the “body on the barbed wire” of future history films . . . .

  104. 104.

    Tom

    August 14, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    @NotMax: I’m right there with you. I’ve had trouble sleeping since I was a kid.

    I take the awake time as a gift and get some work done. For me, that means writing course materials and grading student assignments.

    My wife might have an issue if I decided to put up shelving.

    (Although one time I did decide to try out a recipe for quiche which involved a hand blender.)

  105. 105.

    Cervantes

    August 14, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist, quoting:

    Do you realize that the EPA just dumped arsenic into the Colorado River?

    It wasn’t immediately the Colorado River, it was a Colorado river: the Animas.

    I’ve looked at a couple of write-ups on that story, trying to find out if, as I suspect, the actual damage was done by a private company that had been hired by the EPA to clean up the mess left by a private mining company operating in an unregulated business environment, long-term socialization of expense long after the private profit has been harvested.

    No. It was the EPA’s team, trying to find and plug a long-standing but relatively slow leak of toxic water out of a retired gold mine, instead accidentally breaching a natural retaining dam — at which point millions of gallons of the same toxic water gushed into the Animas.

    Private entities are involved in the sense that the retired gold mine and its neighbors are still privately owned, and may be guilty of not addressing the leak before the catastrophic rupture — which is not to say they’ll ever be prosecuted.

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