America’s worst human being, Chuck Johnson, is probably going to be paying Gawker’s legal fees for a good long time.
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America’s worst human being, Chuck Johnson, is probably going to be paying Gawker’s legal fees for a good long time.
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east is east
It’s been a good August.
Mobile Grumpy Code Monkey
Giggity.
Steve from Antioch
Where should a California resident file a lawsuit against a Delaware corporation with its principle place of business in NYC? Duh, Missouri.
Yes, not going to end well for Mr. Johnson. Maybe the pond scum over at Gawker will get enough money from him to pay Hulk Hogan someday.
Mary G
If he had any money, which I very much doubt.
Another Holocene Human
@Mary G,
Rumor is he sponges off his MIL.
@JG Cole
Glad you’re burying the hatchet with other Charles Johnson.
different-church-lady
Considering that it’s Gawker, the tag should probably read “asshole-on-asshole action”.
So, what did Gawker publish about ole Chucky that put his panties in a bunch?
Another Holocene Human
Oh god, Betsy Rothstein, aka FishbowlDC, got mentioned in the filings?
Other Charles says she was defending the Ginger Avenger, why am I not surprised. I recall Wonkette covering her. First of all, most pointless blog/vlog ever, secondly, it all ended badly and what did she think would happen? Obviously, didn’t think.
I mean, I just think it’s amazing she turned up here, like a bad penny.
Felonius Monk
Oh,Joy. Oh, Joy. I know it’s never over ’til it’s over, but it looks like the little ginger nut-sack furby has finally fvcked himself in his own gawker. How sweet it is!
danielx
I knew that business about Chuckles being a pigfucker was going to come out sooner or later.
Another Holocene Human
@different-church-lady: It’s about that article maybe last year about the rumors from when he was in college that the mystery floor shitter (real) was Chuck Johnson (total speculation).
He gets really angry when it’s repeated and because he was a total asshole at college, a lot of people repeated it to retaliate at him. Someone even created a parody Charles Johnson twitter which was very on point compared to his real twitter a few years later, which twitter took wayyyyy too long to finally nuke. (He was doxxing people.)
different-church-lady
@Another Holocene Human: “…mystery floor shitter…” Give me a moment, I’m going to go not look that up…
east is east
@Felonius Monk: oh good, more ginger comments. Louis ck has a few words for people like you.
Another Holocene Human
@east is east: Unpack that comment, please.
ThresherK
Is #NotAllGingers a thing yet? Because I’ve been swimming, outdoors, all summer. Now my back looks less like it’s freckled than reverse-freckled here and there.
That Chuck C. Johnson is giving us redheads a bad name.
kc
Charles C. Johnson v. Gawker? Rooting for injuries.
east is east
Goes back to prejudice against the Irish. I have no tolerance for anyone who wants to bash someone who has red hair. Louis CK has said as much, and he’s right.
Steve from Antioch
@Another Holocene Human: If I recall the sordid details correctly, Gawker was genially trashing him in the typical, non actionable Gawker fashion and a commenter i.d’d him as the mystery floor shitter. Gawker then, sort of, ran with it saying “Is he the mystery floor shitter?”
Gawker’s defense is that they are not liable for comments (and they’re right according to case in which they were defendant) but Johnson counters that they “endorsed” the comments.
Either way – Chucko is on very, very, shaky legal ground.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: A senior NCO once explained to me that every army unit of 100ish people has a mad shitter. The form it takes can vary. I won’t go into details.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Please go into details.
sophronia
MORE LIBRUL MEDIA PERSECUTION
I’m sure he’s got a GoFundMe to cover just such an eventuality.
(BTW, I went to his college, although years before CCJ did, and there were people like him in every class, and lots of rumors about them going around. It’s a really special slice of hell there.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: Fine. Some just crap in odd places. Some write on walls. And so on….
burnspbesq
“America’s worst human being?” Last I checked, Donald Trump, Josh Duggar, Ted Cruz, George Zimmerman, and Howard Stern were still Americans. That’s some pretty stiff competition.
ETA: Shoot, I almost left Cardinal Dolan off that list. He gets my vote.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: A friend of a friend took a mega-dump on the hood of her ex-boyfriend’s car. I feel honored to be only two degrees of separation from her.
However, having spent lots of time on construction sites, I can tell you that mad shitters are way more than 1% of contractors.
Another Holocene Human
@east is east: I’m Irish, in a family chock full of redheads, and while you’re entitled to your opinion, as an Irish American I disagree, and I don’t give a fuck what Louis CK said about it.
In the US we suffer no prejudice against us today in 2015 for having flaming red hair (we=my family, my red is no longer visible, although, yeah, I did dye it for a while and all that happened was that people thought red was the natural color and I was dying it brown). I grew up in a majority NOT Irish, NOT Catholic school and while I got taunted on the playground A LOT, looking Irish never came into it.
CCJ is called the Ginger Avenger as a sardonic joke, by people who wish he’d quite “avenging” and get a real job. Not out of malice to red-headed people.
Frankly, I resent your attempt to shame long time posters here for just referring to an extremely obvious physical attribute (how many selfies has this clown uploaded?) based on the shakiest justification plus “Louis CK said so, and he’s never wrong”.
east is east
@burnspbesq: Most punchable face? Josh Duggar is leading the pack.
Belafon
@kc: Gawker’s not a great place, but Chuck likes to publish home addresses of women who he decides are lying when they accuse some of rape.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Off the top of my head, they are establishing two things. First, that Chuck is a public figure and thus subject to a different, lower standard wrt defamation than a private citizen. Second, that he is so awful that he can’t really be defamed. (I am not a libel lawyer.)
danielx
@Omnes Omnibus:
Dude, consider the audience. You had to know that was coming.
east is east
@Another Holocene Human: Fine. People junk on gingers. It’s a real thing. I only reference Louis CK because he is a talented person who comments on real things that are happening.
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: We were artillery. Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.
Omnes Omnibus
@danielx: I knew I would be asked. I just wasn’t going to do it without the request.
Suzanne
@danielx: Seriously. You know that I need poop humor.
Nathan Tyree
When will he go away? I am so tired of knowing that this gas bag is out and about polluting the internet with his hate and vitriol. So. Very. Tired.
Suzanne
@efgoldman: Lately? Um, I have news.
east is east
@Another Holocene Human: And really, if he had called him knappy-headed would that be alright with you? My girlfriend is Irish. We don’t put up with bullshit like diminishing someone because they have red hair.
Suzanne
@east is east: I have had fun over the last few days imagining Josh Duggar crying, blubbering tears, his pudge quivering as he realizes that he is a fucking piece of shit.
I really hope that that happened.
I hear that his wife is blaming herself for her loser husband’s cheating. I really hope that the sister decides FUCK THIS NOISE and leaves the bastard.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: Can I call my blonde niece and nephew tow-headed? Am I diminishing them thereby? No one was insulting red-heads. No one was insulting the Irish. Calm down.
east is east
@Suzanne: I’ve read that Josh’s brother in law, Anna’s brother, has called Josh a pig and wants him out. I’m hoping for a good old fashioned ass kicking.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: context.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: Explain the context then. All I saw was the nickname “Ginger Avenger” and a comment where someone said that Chuck was giving redheads a bad name from a self-admitted ginger. I honestly don’t see what is upsetting you.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: And you know, I agree with you. He didn’t mean anything by it. It’s just one of those words that passes by. But it’s hurtful. I have a nephew who has a head full of red hair. I don’t want people fucking with him because they think it’s acceptable to indulge themselves by saying he’s a ginger. It pisses me off.
Suzanne
@east is east: Me too. Hopefully televised. That would be reality TV I can get behind.
Bobby Thomson
@efgoldman: the court can take judicial notice of things that have been published, not for truth of the matter asserted, but as evidence that things have been said publicly by people other than the defendants and that those statements are currently accessible to anyone on the internet. It both establishes that he is a public figure and also establishes context – that Chucky certainly dishes it out himself and isn’t some shrinking violet. (It also goes toward damages, in that Johnson doesn’t have much of a reputation to besmirch. That’s legally irrelevant at this stage of the case but may color the judge’s view of the facts.)
Suzanne
@east is east: I’m a brunette. It’s not an insult.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: He was insulting Chuck Johnson,(much deserved) and in his comment he called him a ginger. Fuck this shit. It’s obvious. Sorry I brought it up.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: How is the word ginger demeaning? It is simply a Britishism for redhead.
east is east
@Suzanne: It was an insult in the context of his statement.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: Please. Don’t be so obtuse.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: No, it is not obvious.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: Okay, you are a bit daft on this, so I am dropping it.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: I am a bit daft. Not on this one. It’s not nice to dump on anyone because of their physicality.
east is east
@Suzanne: I’ve always been attracted to brunettes.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: Wow.
east is east
and blondes, and redheads.
craigie
I don’t recall being able to vote on this. More GOP voter suppression?
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: thank you all. (drops mike)
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
One hopes you consider yourself duly chastised, especially when Louis CK is used as backup/authority, because of his deep Irish roots.
“CK” stands for “County Kilkenny,” of course.
SFAW
@craigie:
That depends on your, shall we say, “demographics.”
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: What a strange person.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Me? Or Louis?
If you mean me: you’re only reaching that conclusion NOW? (Now there’s a set-up line for ya.)
ETA: Of course, I’m not the one who wears a faux wedge of cheddar on my head.
ETA: Nor a real one, either.
Suzanne
@east is east: I don’t know what to say. I’ll go with “I don’t care who you like to bone”.
Steeplejack
@SFAW:
If you could spare a moment from marveling at your own brilliance, you would realize that it’s clear Omnes was referring to East Is East.
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: No, I meant east is east. I hope Ginger Spice feels duly shamed for demeaning her fellow redheads by using the word ginger. For the rest, I leave it to the reader’s judgment.
Felonius Monk
@east is east: No offense to any red head other than Chuck C. Johnson was intended. Personally, I’ve always found red-headed women attractive; red-headed men, not so much, but I bear them no animus on account of the color of their hair except for Chuck C. Johnson (aka Rage Furby). :)
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: To be fair, the phrase “what a strange person” could apply to so many here. I don’t exclude myself.
SFAW
@Steeplejack:
No, no – that’s what you’re here for
I figured that was a possibility (since confirmed by Omnes, of course), but thought it unlikely, since he addressed it to me. Wrong again – I must be getting close to the Mendoza line.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Omnes Omnibus: It was Ginger Grant who started it all, her and Sherwood Schwartz. That bastard.
Amir Khalid
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s all just showbiz fakery. Gerri Halliwell is a natural blonde. She dyed her hair to become “Ginger” Spice.
The Pale Scot
Catherine Tate covers the burden of being ginger
east is east
@Felonius Monk:I believe you. I just saw your post and I bombasted about people targeting gingers. It’s all good. I’m sure you’re not out there hating on people with red hair.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus: @65
My daughter (who is not a ginger) and one or two of her friends (who are) often talk about gingers, generally positive. Being an old fart, I didn’t know “gingers” was a thing, until she and her friends started talking about it.
However, now that I know about it, it’s almost as important to me as Esperanto is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: The conspiracy deepens.
east is east
@Suzanne: I wouldn’t “bone” anyone. Just trying to have fun. Sometimes it doesn’t work.
Amir Khalid
For what’s it’s worth, I’ve always thought kindly of redheads, or gingers if you prefer, because of Dana Scully and the Weasleys.
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
A so-so name for a rock band?
east is east
@east is east: And by that, I mean just talking. I don’t do that cheating thing. I have a girlfriend. She’s a hard talking hard living Irish woman. I do love her. God save me.
Tree With Water
The NY Times says “..After enduring those slings and arrows for weeks, to the mounting dismay of supporters, Mr. Bush, the former Florida governor, and his aides have decided to venture outside their comfort zone and borrow a page from Mr. Trump’s playbook: Hit back, with force and creativity, over and over again in the coming weeks..”.
As Eli Wallach said in The Good, Bad, and Ugly: “When you’re going to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk”.
? Martin
Lots of gingers in my extended Irish family. Must agree that it’s quite attractive on the women, generally not on the men. The best man to wear it in my family was my great uncle James who lost his leg in the Battle of the Bulge. Looked like a pirate and I’m pretty sure could kill you just by looking at you in a certain way. He was a tough motherfucker and I think that’s key to pulling off the red hair by a guy.
Anne Laurie
@Suzanne:
In my admittedly limited experience, a lot of people end up as “contractors” because they do not, shall we say, work well in corporate situations.
Although I cannot agree with the acquaintance who, during Year Three? Four? of what was supposed to be a six-months-at-the-absolute-worst renovation, swore that the difference between a contractor and a vandal was “a hundred bucks’ worth of tools and a friend at city hall”…
Amir Khalid
@Tree With Water:
… or as they say at the beginning of Monty Python’s Flying Circus: “And now for something completely different …”
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: Should we give you the benefit of the doubt that you denied people who used the word ginger? Explain why.
Doug R
feel like I’ve stumbled into a South Park episode
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
The context was clear.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m done explaining. I’ve offered my peace to Felonious monk. I don’t think he meant anything by it. I just don’t like to see anyone targeted because of how they look.
east is east
and apparently he’s cool with it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: I am being open tonight. Sometimes, people inspire one to be one’s better self. I have such a person.
GregB
I will not tolerate anti-redheadic prejudice.
I will support anti-shitheel bias against Pud Chuck Johnson.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Tree With Water: “force and creativity”… he’s weak and if he has an Atwter/Rove type in his shop, the guy’s hiding his light under a bushel so far. They sent a crop duster with a banner to Trump’s Alabama rally. The only people who noticed laughed. I have a feeling Jeb is going to look an awful lot like his father when he tries to play being tough.
Much as I despise Trump, his troll-fu is strong. Today he put up an Instagram of Babs saying no more Bushes, and I think this is from the author of that article
Steve from Antioch
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh its just something the British came up with, then?
I’m sure that makes it okay.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve from Antioch: Wow, you’ll troll anything, won’t you?
Anne Laurie
@east is east: As an Irish-American ginger my own self, I hope ta Chroist ye’re trolling.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: Barf. ;)
Suzanne
@Anne Laurie: That’s about accurate.
Having said that, I love some of the contractor dudes (and they’re always dudes) that I get to work with. Usually, they are completely not the type of people I would ever hang out with. The young guys are usually bros or gun fiends and often not that smart, and the old guys are curmudgeons who don’t like a young girl telling them what to do (and are also often gun fiends). And yet some of them are just awesome and funny and they love me once they realize that I am just as, uh, uncouth, as they are.
east is east
@Anne Laurie:Maybe a bit of trolling…..but I’m not liking the ginger hating. I should have known you have the Irish in you. Impossible treasures we have in you all.
Ruckus
@Anne Laurie:
As one with a lot of Irish blood and whose beard was a full deep ginger, before almost all the color escaped and whose hair was not, before it also escaped, the hair that is, I do find that I have to now be careful about using the word ginger in this context as people no longer quite see the funny.
Omnes Omnibus
@east is east: No one is hating red heads. Deal with it.
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: OMG. Are you still on this? We have all moved forward. You’re just looking for a fight now.
joel hanes
@burnspbesq:
Donald Trump, Josh Duggar, Ted Cruz, George Zimmerman, … Howard Stern … Cardinal Dolan
Richard Bruce Cheney.
unless you have concluded that he’s no longer human — I’d accept that.
Anne Laurie
@Ruckus: The real funny is, the red hair gene’s not even Celtic. “True” Irish coloration (as both my parents, who had it, would remark) is almost-black hair and blue (or hazel-blue) eyes. Viking invaders left their red-headed genes all over the Celtic homelands, reaching even into Russia…
My mother-in-law was born in Norway. The Spousal Unit inherited her bright-blue eyes and ginger hair. He’s a little conflicted when people here in Boston ask if he plans to celebrate St. Patrick’s day “the traditional way”, because he’s too staid to enjoy rape, looting & arson…
east is east
@Omnes Omnibus: And besides, I’m not talking about Felonious, I’m just addressing the accepted bullshit that gingers should be targeted because it’s always fun to get on someone’s case.
east is east
@Anne Laurie: My girlfriend had blue eyes and blonde hair. Her granddaughter has red hair. She has always told me she is Irish. I think she might be a Viking. Very troubling.
Myiq2xu
Best part:
scuffletuffle
@east is east: do not under any circumstances look up Frankie Boyle on youtube.
Another Holocene Human
@Anne Laurie:
Which is probably true. My wife and I have a Basque friend and she looks exactly like this. (A little bit of the freckling too but not Irish-level.)
Who knows what the “true” Celtic phenotype is, aside from being a bit tall for ancient peoples. When they came into Europe they mixed with multiple other groups (including a Mediterranean group that had traveled up the coast to the British isles). Basques are one of the indigenous peoples of Europe and when Ireland was settled by Gaelic language group speaking people there were people living there already as recorded in their mythology but also by DNA. Could those people have been related to Basques? I think that is very likely.
Another Holocene Human
@east is east:
Um, long history and ongoing campaign of serious discrimination much? Looked at twitter lately? Listened to some RW radio hosts? Looked at the news? You know, “paddy wagon” was offensive but it doesn’t really hurt that much because Irish people aren’t singled out by cops in today’s America. Irish people aren’t stigmatized. Remember that media tiff about representation of Irish nationals who died on a balcony in California? It was the Irish government, full of people with very real, recent, and vivid memories of their treatment at the hands of the British, who complained, not Irish-Americans, many of whom had their names on the bylines, and you know why? Because we AREN’T FUCKING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN THIS COUNTRY.
satby
Damn, I slept through a redhead thread??? And me a natural one. Who was called “carrot top”, not “ginger” as a child. Or “freckle-faced strawberry” after the KoolAid commercials. I think I would rather have been called ginger, personally.
satby
@Another Holocene Human: Point of order: we used to be and within living memory of my parents; granted I’m oldish. Which is why I get triple annoyed with representatives of my ethnic group’s racism (looking at BillO or Hannity). Previous victims of discrimination should be better about not discriminating themselves.
SFAW
With all these commenters displaying their ginger cred – if my head is now mostly pinkish, does that count? I mean, it’s close to red if you squint your eyes. Well, if you close them, I guess.
Robert Sneddon
British usage of the word “ginger” also includes feyness and an insinuation of homosexuality. A peculiarly Glaswegian-Scottish use of the word refers generally to carbonated drinks e.g. a bottle of “ginger”, derived from ginger ale.
mapaghimagsik
shitters and gingers on the same thread?
suspicious…
Ruckus
@Anne Laurie:
Seeing as how I have Irish in me but it is not the totality, I can imagine that what I am is best described by the old line, I’m a Heinz 57 varieties. And viking blood, sure why not. Got Sicilian for sure, supposed to have a not that many great grands native american grandmother and who knows what else. I’m not looking because it really doesn’t matter who did what, I can’t change any of it even if I wanted to, and all of it only makes me what I started with, not what I ended up like. Most of us have a wide variety of genetic material sources that make us up and yet we are far, far, far more alike than we are different. So we notice the very small differences, like hair color as being a big deal. What a waste of energy.
Jamey
@east is east: “Help! I’m being repressed!”
Grumpy Code Monkey
@east is east:
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, we’re hating on Johnson because he’s an ASSHOLE, not because he has red hair. Nobody’s picking on redheads in general. Nobody in this thread has proclaimed anything about “gingers” in a wider context.
Unless your position is that “ginger” is in exactly the same category as “nigger”, “spic”, “wop”, “nip”, “polack”, or “chink”, in which case you’ll need to supply some heavy-duty justification.
Nate Dawg
Married to a ginger. My twin is a ginger. Ginger has become a term of endearment and red-heads are currently “the in thing”. Lots of ginger tumblrs and ginger porn out there. But I suppose that this is just the exoticizing of otherness and also offensive. Seriously, person up thread needs to relax.
raptusregaliter
Don’t know why I find this interesting, but it seems to me that Chuck Johnson, Frank Luntz, and Louisiana GOP executive director / Ashley Madison aficionado Jason Dore all kinda sorta resemble Patton Oswalt. Sorry Patton.
Howard Beale IV
Quite frankly, tying him with redheads is insulting to all other readheads.
Instead, call him ‘The Rage Furby’.