Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Trump should be leading, not lying.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

Dumb motherfuckers cannot understand a consequence that most 4 year olds have fully sorted out.

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

Hey hey, RFK, how many kids did you kill today?

Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…

We will not go back.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

It’s pointless to bring up problems that can only be solved with a time machine.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

I swear, each month of 2025 will have its own history degree.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

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Not sure I’ll be able to catch tonight’s debate live — not sure it’s worth rearranging my schedule for, frankly. But if you want to watch, out of civic obligation or in hopes of a train wreck, here’s Vox on how to do so:

Tonight’s Democratic presidential debate in New York will air on CNN. But don’t worry: If you don’t have cable, you’ll still be able to tune in. An online live stream will be free and available to all at CNN.com. The debate will begin at 9 pm Eastern…

CNN’s current link here [warning: autoplay].
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Apart from the ongoing grim march towards November, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  4. 4.

    chopper

    wow, another one. thank fucking god people harassed DWS to have more of these fucking things, right?

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    @different-church-lady: That is kinda brutal, but in a good way.

    I think it’s great that there’s another democratic debate. ‘Cause we surely haven’t talked about the two democratic candidates enough here on BJ.

    WaterGirl over and out for the evening. Have fun you crazy kids!

  12. 12.

    mdblanche

    @Betty Cracker: That was Samantha Bee’s line, wasn’t it?

    I’ll be skipping the debate. I’m nursing the tail end of the flu and am so still not ready for this shit.

  13. 13.

    Gin & Tonic

    I think I’ll have more enjoyment out of working on my taxes tonight.

    Maybe I can give Jane a lesson.

  18. 18.

    Elie

    I might take a peek but it isn’t with any real gusto… Dunno whether to look in at the beginning or wait until its well underway….

  19. 19.

    MomSense

    @Hungry Joe:

    Why hasn’t Tatiana won all the awards for her acting tour de force? I must confess that I think the plot went off the rails a long time ago but I watch to see her extraordinary acting.

  24. 24.

    different-church-lady

    Got a question: why do people send a string of a dozen three or four word texts when they could just fit everything into a single one?

    Or: what is it about smart phones that turns people into idiots?

  25. 25.

    Elie

    I will say, that even though its painful for us — can you imagine what it is for THEM???

    But I stick by my assertion that this drawn out suffering is the necessary vetting, exposure, workout, necessary to check out our candidates for the most important elected position in the world — President of the United States. Its the least I can do to actually watch it, I suppose, though I don’t hold it against anyone to demur ….I am going to get some drinks though….

  26. 26.

    PsiFighter37

    I won’t be watching. I’ve become so goddamn sick and tired of Bernie’s angry old white man act. He can go back to Vermont and shut the fuck up kindly, please.

  27. 27.

    billcoop4

    Dear Hillary and Bernie,

    To steal from John Fugelsang, the kids hate when mom and dad fight.

    WMC

  33. 33.

    MomSense

    @PsiFighter37:

    I’ll probably hate watch but I’m so sick of Bernie. At least my mom (only Sanders supporter in the family) has finally committed to voting for Ckintonnin the general.

  36. 36.

    Amaranthine RBG

    Same day, another pissy thread criticizing Sanders.

    But remember folks, it’s the Berniebros who are impeding party unity. Why won’t they just shut up?

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Frankensteinbeck: Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, which in case anyone forgets were active war zones, we managed to run the elections in under two months – once things got started (the fighting over the rules between the various factions, etc often took several months longer). But here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave it currently takes two years officially and one year unofficially before that. I fully expect that as soon as the polls close this year in NOV, CNN will be running a Decision 2020 graphic.

    This is no way to run the most rural county in Mississippi, let alone a superpower!

  43. 43.

    Mnemosyne

    Now that my medical drama is over (short version: it’s benign), I need to get back to researching my novel. Plus I realized I have to get over my weird residual shame that it’s not a real novel, just a romance novel. Why is it considered more respectable to write detailed descriptions of serial murder than detailed descriptions of sex, anyway?

  44. 44.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Yep. It will be about how Jeb Bush will win his 2020 presidential reelection campaign, and they’ll play it as the banner underneath HIllary giving her acceptance speech.

    Although I’m putting at least double digit odds that they have one for ‘How will the successful Romney administration affect the next election?’

  46. 46.

    Feebog

    Watching Dr. Maddow at 6:00 pdt. May tune in for the last few minutes. It’s not like the missus and haven’t made up our minds.

  47. 47.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Remember when people used to say “we need more debate!”

    ya don’t hear that anymore. even Sanders’s fans don’t want anymore.

    I’ll wait for the highlights. I just can’t stand watching him yell and scream

  48. 48.

    redshirt

    @Adam L Silverman: Few things anger me, but the fact we burned a trillion dollars in Iraq for what? To create ISIS? Burns me bad, considering what we could do with a trillion dollars here in America.

    So glad the Republicans are fiscally conservative, it might have been 2 trillion.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    @MomSense: She’s amazing at what she’s doing, but once they got to that weird farm with the first of the male clones and the breeding program/cult, I just couldn’t take it anymore.

  50. 50.

    Elie

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Why do you step in with us sharks and smear blood all over your body? Are you a sadist? You’re like the guy who ladles fish guts and blood in the water while dangling his legs in the waters of the Great Barrier Reef — hmmm — how long will he last? Didn’t that peg leg you got the last time teach you anything. Are you one of those Munchhausen folks who likes to hurt himself? Surely you can find a blog where you are among those like yourself…

  51. 51.

    starscream

    I’m hate-watching online (don’t have cable so I’ll catch Orphan Black tomorrow).

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: What if you make it a romance novel with the romantic lead as a serial killer? Or crime novel about a serial killers whirlwind romance?

  55. 55.

    redshirt

    @Mnemosyne: It’s an important question: Why does a PG-13 rated movie allow for multiple people to be killed in fairly gory ways yet not one breast and not more than one use of the word “Fuck” in a non-sexualized context?

    Fucked up Puritans, I guess.

  58. 58.

    Betty Cracker

    This whole national anthem thing at debates in un-American. As is the stupid “God Bless America” crap in the 7th inning stretch. The terrorist have won. The end.

  60. 60.

    Cacti

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    But remember folks, it’s the Berniebros who are impeding party unity. Why won’t they just shut up?

    I feel ya.

    It’s so sad when ambitious*, unqualified* whores* like Clinton ruin a progressive revolution.

    (*terms used by Sanders or Sanders surrogates to describe Clinton in the past 2 weeks)

    So, tell us all about what meanies Clinton supporters are to the innocent babes of the Sanders campaign.

  61. 61.

    different-church-lady

    @redshirt: When they came up with the MPAA code back in the 1850s, Americans were much more familiar with violence and death in everyday life.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: I don’t disagree. We often joked that the US needed to invade the US and begin an infrastructure and economic reconstruction program.

  65. 65.

    dmsilev

    Sanders’ opening statement is “isn’t my campaign awesome”, complete with “we won 7 of the last 8 states”. Oy.

  69. 69.

    lamh36

    Ugh…who was it wishing for more debates…I hate you…

    Anyway, my neice Zoe turned 8 months old this month…Time for 8 month pics…

    I have a bunch more pics on my computer and of course my sis has tons. It’s so cool to see as her personality develops. She’s a trip, a lovely trip. My youngest sis is having a baby girl in August, (same month as Zoe), can’t wait to see what that baby’s personality will be…

    Niecy Zoe…Month 8!
    https://nellybellsplace.com/2016/04/14/niecy-zoe-month-8/ via @psddluva4evah

    My favorite pic this month, so far, though is this one: #NiecyZoe looking at the birds outside her window!

  71. 71.

    different-church-lady

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Remember when people used to say “we need more debate!”

    ya don’t hear that anymore. even Sanders’s fans don’t want anymore.

    That was back in the “To know him more is to love him more” days.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    @MomSense: It didn’t creep me out, it just became hard to follow. And since I was in the middle of a heavy duty project I just didn’t have time to try to figure it out.

  75. 75.

    redshirt

    @Adam L Silverman: Not Dexter. I’m completely blanking on where I saw the clips, but the guy’s a serial killer and this girl falls in love with him without knowing that, but then she finds out and is turned on by it so they start killing together.

    Maybe I dreamt it.

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    Who thought it was a good idea to have Wolf Blitzer (the Anchor formerly known as the Vice President of AIPAC) to moderate this thing? Does the Democratic primary really need two hard of hearing so I’m going to shout all the time Jewish American guys on the stage at the same time?

  83. 83.

    divF

    @lamh36: Every time I go into the local YMCA to work out, I see a sign saying “Zoe for President!”, and I think of your niece and smile.

    It’s the slogan for a national fundraiser for the Y, and their Zoe not much older than your niece.

  84. 84.

    redshirt

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I don’t disagree. We often joked that the US needed to invade the US and begin an infrastructure and economic reconstruction program.

    No kidding. We could have had national high speed rail, or space stations around Mars, etc. What a monumental waste of blood and treasure. It’s remarkable that we as a superpower are able to basically shrug it off.

  88. 88.

    different-church-lady

    @Baud: BLITZER: Secretary Clinton, people have recently insinuated that you’re an unqualified whore. Are you an unqualified whore?

  93. 93.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @lamh36:

    Ugh…who was it wishing for more debates…I hate you…

    I don’t recall anyone who wanted more debates. I recall a lot of people pissed because so few debates was a for sure sign that Hillary had gotten her stooge DWS to rig the election against Sanders in every possible way!

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: The sad thing is that we actually have the wealth in the US to do all those things. We have, however, decided – or allowed to be decided for us – that we are not going to tap any of that wealth on behalf of the general welfare and to promote specific public goods. This is because we have one political party that has dogmatically adopted, as part of their fundamental ideology, that there is no general welfare and that public goods are a scam.

  104. 104.

    guachi

    I like what Clinton is wearing. A lot. The offwhite jacket and black shirt is flattering and a nice change from the bright colors she usually wears. Especially contrasting with the day glow blue and red background.

    Note: I have the sound off or otherwise I’d probably punch my TV from something stupid being said by someone.

  105. 105.

    Elie

    My summary is that Hillary starts out strong and is up in his grill pretty much from the start. He looks less strong — he looks and sounds tired. She is the big cat licking the flesh off the still wiggling carcass…

  109. 109.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Cacti: @Cacti:

    I was just wondering if there has EVER been a top post in here criticizing Clinton

    The closest I can recall is Cole’s post that was an endorsement of her. I may be wrong about that.

  114. 114.

    burnspbesq

    There is a replay of Liverpool – Dortmund on one of the Fox sports channels at 7:00 Pacific if you want to be entertained by something the outcome of which you already know.

  120. 120.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: I’ve written a couple of papers on that. The problem is getting anyone in Congress to understand it. And those in Congress that don’t, don’t want to. Even 15 years ago these folks would have been embarrassed to go home to meet with constituents and have crumbling infrastructure. Now its a badge of honor that not one thin dime was appropriated to fix anything.

  123. 123.

    dmsilev

    Question for Sanders: “Did the banks get anything for all that ‘bribe’ money they sent to Clinton when she was a Senator?”

    Answer: “After she left the Senate, and after serving as SecState, she gave some speeches” FAIL.

  126. 126.

    Elie

    He just brought up her 25K speeches for Goldman. She was again, right up in his stuff and said how important it was “to get his facts straight” SNAP… then she goes onto the process of breaking them up — she KNOWS what she knows… Bernie is just sarcastic —

    Somewhere she needs to ask him about those damned tax returns. Maybe not now, but sometime

  129. 129.

    Aleta

    This is weird. Honest — My brain keeps trying to hum Get Together and then it switches to Come Together. This debate is doing it.

  135. 135.

    Gin & Tonic

    @redshirt:

    If only we could spin infrastructure spending as part of national defense.

    We once did. Look up the history of the Interstate Highway System.

  136. 136.

    Elie

    Dana Bash needs to stick it up her ass with the transcript from these speeches —

    How about those YEAH Tax returns — but Dana Bash goes back to speeches…

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: It doesn’t help. The research seems to show no signifiant correlation, but it certainly took a collegial tool away.

  147. 147.

    redshirt

    @Baud: I just read an article that the Maine House (Big Dem majority) and the Maine Senate (minuscule Repub majority) just passed a motion to allow for increased Medicare under the ACA, but it’s 100% expected to be vetoed by the Governor. The Feds would provide 9 dollars for every 1 dollar the state provides.

    Nope! Fuck people.

  150. 150.

    guachi

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Yes, you can talk about her hair. I think it’s fabulous. I saw Clinton in person in SC and her hair is great.

    Clinton even tweaks her own fashion sense in her Twitter feed by calling herself a pantsuit afficianado.

  151. 151.

    Ella in New Mexico

    Paid Speeches! Unreleased Tax returns! Unqualified! Bad Judgement Whores!

    Why do we have to turn into the R’s to make everyone happy?

    I REALLY don’t want to know what Bernie’s glove size is….

  166. 166.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Elie: but Dana Bash goes back to speeches…
    What do people want her to say?

    I’m not watching, somebody let me know if the CNN-bots– Bash and Tapper?– bring up climate change.

    (Bash and Tapper should be cockney rhyming slang for something)

  169. 169.

    Elie

    The lioness grabbed the throat of the zebra and hung on, for a long time it seemed she might not get it down on the ground…..Its forelegs buckle….

  171. 171.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    I love that Zoe has already mastered side-eye at only 8 months. I saw it in the chocolate cake video when she looked over like, “What are you laughing at?”

  173. 173.

    Gin & Tonic

    @guachi:

    Clinton even tweaks her own fashion sense in her Twitter feed by calling herself a pantsuit afficianado.

    Sure hope she spells aficionado correctly.

  177. 177.

    redshirt

    @MomSense: Yep. So sad what’s become of this state and the trends that allowed it to happen, the same trends that seem to have radicalized a good portion of the country.

    I can’t explain it except as the last gasp of a dying order. Hopefully!

  178. 178.

    burnspbesq

    Sounds like Clinton is mopping the floor with Sanders.

    Is she getting paid only 71 percent of what a man would get for the same work?

  182. 182.

    Mnemosyne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If I get it published and get to include an Author’s Note, Imma send you a hard copy with Fabio on the cover so you can explain it to your colleagues. Preferably when you’re embedded overseas again.

    Oh, they’ll mock, but I bet they’ll ask to borrow it. ;-)

  183. 183.

    Elie

    She is giving a tutorial on raising the minimum wage and the practical realities… she is doing the deed — she knows the fucking facts — she addresses getting the democratic congress…

  184. 184.

    jl

    @Gin & Tonic:

    afficianada?

    Quite a lively debate. They are going New York on each other. Hope they don’t go GOP on each other.

    Not much interesting substance since I tuned in. I don’t care about transcripts, I don’t care about how Jane does the Sanders taxes and I don’t care about 15 bucks versus 12.50. I have to go to gym class, so won’t have to suffer through much more if it stays this way.

  191. 191.

    Elie

    @burnspbesq:

    I agree — Its good practice — kinda — for when she faces one of the psychotics that the Republicans put up…

    She is the BOSS BITCH tonite….

  199. 199.

    Iowa Old Lady

    I am back from the United Fund dinner. I may have had too much wine. I think I’ll just read here this live blog rather than trying to find the reomte. Remore. Temort. Screw it.

  201. 201.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Amaranthine RBG: so Sanders doesn’t care if his staff and surrogates call Hillary ‘unqualified”, a “whore”, nothing more than “a uterus” or say Trump will bring a glorious revolution or South Carolina is like winning Guam, but criticizing wingnut Likud is the red line.

  203. 203.

    jl

    Gawd. Both are so irritating tonight. HRC rev’s into that lecturing tone I hate. Sanders is yelling and pointing and ending up with admitting that the difference is between ‘good’ and ‘better’.

    I’m switching to mild mannered nice guy. Christie still in the race?

    Edit: Probably I just don’t like the famously mild and gracious mid-Atlantic political style.

  207. 207.

    Adam L Silverman

    @schrodinger’s cat: There’s a reason that when we help rebuild a country, we either help them establish a parliamentary system or a Federated state system like Germany’s. We do not help them establish a system like ours. When I pointed this out in a meeting with some State Department folks in Iraq they looked murderous and the Army folks were trying not to snicker.

  214. 214.

    Joe Bauers

    @Cacti:

    It’s so sad when ambitious*, unqualified* whores* like Clinton ruin a progressive revolution.

    (*terms used by Sanders or Sanders surrogates to describe Clinton in the past 2 weeks)

    Outrageous! She is a *highly* qualified ambitious corporate whore!

  216. 216.

    MomSense

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I just checked and it is 2022 but the point is really that even in one of the most liberal and democratically run states, $15 isn’t happening immediately.

    If I ruled the world it would be $25 yesterday.

  220. 220.

    Elie

    @jl:

    She had to demonstrate her dominance and she did that. As President she will have to do that from time to time so its time to see her tools. She had to show him the stick and she also had to use it on him a bit. He’s had it all his way, very little criticism in the press, all good. She had to “show him up” cause he thinks he is something he is not. That is life. You run the race and find out. I still can’t believe he thought he was ready for prime time, but she had to claim her space….

  221. 221.

    different-church-lady

    @Baud:

    Have they said where they stand on dildos?

    I’m guessing “bedroom”, although Hillary’s answer might be ‘dungeon’.

  223. 223.

    Anne Laurie

    @efgoldman: I’ve met you, sir, and you are a lot better-looking than Senator Sanders. More courteous, also! — not that that seems to be very dfficult :)

  226. 226.

    magurakurin

    I can’t see the debate. The cnn page won’t go past the flash update popup that doesn’t seem to do anything at all. What happened to the days when these things were like free everywhere? Didn’t you used to be able to watch all of these on Cspan? Oh well, I only wanted to watch for the laughs. This debate won’t change any minds at this point.

  228. 228.

    debbie

    @Elie:

    Why do you step in with us sharks and smear blood all over your body? Are you a sadist? You’re like the guy who ladles fish guts and blood in the water while dangling his legs in the waters of the Great Barrier Reef — hmmm — how long will he last? Didn’t that peg leg you got the last time teach you anything. Are you one of those Munchhausen folks who likes to hurt himself? Surely you can find a blog where you are among those like yourself…

    Enough already.

    You’re very free with your gloating and your assumptions about others’ beliefs, but I don’t know where you get off telling anyone they should be looking for another place to post.

    Just stop it.

  233. 233.

    lamh36

    @Betty Cracker: Not quite yet. We thought she was attempting to crawl, but my sis noticed she actually like to stand when you hold her hands. The doctore told her that some baby’s don’t crawl and just progress to walking instead. The doc thinks Zoe is gonna go straight to walking.

    So my sis brought her some walking shoes and one of those walkers and sure enough, she’s managing to push the walker backwards, inches at a time, but soon enough she’ll be up and running.

  235. 235.

    Adam L Silverman

    @efgoldman: And that’s why I mentioned it was a tool for collegiality. Its the problem with a lot of these measures that we use in social science and behavioral science research that a lot of what we need to capture to better understand things is so intangible that it can’t be measured.

  237. 237.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Watching 1964 – The American Experience, about the Civil Rights Act, the Freedom Summer, and Rick Perlstein explaining Goldwater and his racist base. 50 years later, and we’ve still gotten fucking nowhere around this issue. All I know is that any political movement that dismisses the black vote is not only not a revolution, but actually much worse than useless.

  238. 238.

    lamh36

    @Mnemosyne: she really does. she has a cousin who’s 5 years older, but a complete brat. The kids likes to throw tantrums at the drop of a hat. one day the cousin was at my granny and having a tantrum….Zoe just kept looking over at her with an expression like…”what is wrong with her”…lol

  239. 239.

    geg6

    Okay, the fucking finger needs to be broken. I’d have done it by now, so good self-control on Hillary’s part.

    And yes, you people suckered me in to tuning in.

  240. 240.

    starscream

    I don’t get why there’s so much attention on a 1994 bill that they both supported and hardly any questions about what they’ll do going forward.

  243. 243.

    Elie

    @debbie:

    I was responding to a specific person’s comment. Not yours. It seemed to me in his comment, that he was opening himself for attack. I questioned why anyone would want to do that — and yes, I used very aggressive symbolism. I am sorry that you got caught in that, but I did not cc you in the response. Yes, I am sometimes a fucking bitch. I know that and do not mean it personally. I feel strongly about this campaign and I am showing it. It is not my intention to tell anyone to go or stay here. But I did notice that he was purposely sticking his head back into a hostile situation and I did wonder why…
    So please understand to you and anyone. I am NOT asking anyone not to comment here. Only asking why, if someone feels continually abused, why keep asking for more? And I am not gloating. From my perspective, she is kicking his ass. That is my perspective. I am only responsible for my own opinion.

  244. 244.

    Gin & Tonic

    @debbie: You know, the poster in question has been here for a couple of weeks at most, and has done nothing (IIRC) but bitch about B-J being primarily a pro-HRC site. Which, at this point, seems to be accurate. Pointing out that the poster is free to go elsewhere if s/he doesn’t like the conversation here is unobjectionable, in my view.

  246. 246.

    patroclus

    Whew! Thankfully, a commercial. This is the worst Democratic debate I’ve ever seen. I need some enya.

  247. 247.

    Bobby Thomson

    @starscream:

    I don’t get why there’s so much attention on a 1994 bill that they both supported and hardly any questions about what they’ll do going forward.

    Easy. Bernie can’t answer the latter set of questions and CNN is all about the horse race. Plus Leslie Blitzer is an idiot.

  249. 249.

    jl

    @Baud: Moderation sucks as usual. Several times one makes charges, and then moderators don’t really give time for a straightforward response. No follow up or challenges when either go into stump speech mode.

    That is why the brave ‘I stand mute’ protest of Baud! 2016! in this debate is so admirable. (Edit: meant being defeated by my weakness of will)

    Time for my gym class, so I won’t have to experience my weakness of will being defeated tonight.

  250. 250.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Baud: I’m sure Hillary’s in favor of dildos, she put them on the White House Christmas Tree, after all.

  251. 251.

    geg6

    @debbie:

    I honestly believe that in this particular case, the troll in question, who just showed up out of the blue a couple of weeks ago, does nothing but bitch that the comments here don’t bon’t precsely follow the path said troll thinks we should be following. I don’t see it as out of place to tell said troll that if he doesn’t like the conversation here, he is free to find a more amenable conversation elsewhere and that no one gives a shit that the troll is pissed that the commentariat here won’t follow his lead. And telling people to shut up might be more rude than inviting a troll to take his butthurt elsewhere.

  254. 254.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Hertberg, whom I generally like and find this surprising from, is getting some pushback on twitter…

    Hendrik Hertzberg ‏@ RickHertzberg 46m46 minutes ago
    For the love of God, Hillary, please lower your voice.

    … and not from eggs, glancing at the replies I saw Melissa Block, Garance Franke-Ruta and Karen Tumulty registering their displeasure.

  258. 258.

    jl

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    ” I’m sure Hillary’s in favor of dildos, she put them on the White House Christmas Tree, after all. ”

    Dildos and Billdos in the WH, I do miss the depravity of the Clinton years.

  260. 260.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @efgoldman: and (I’m a little vague on the details of this one story) he’s either about to or just did travel to Europe. I’m not quite fifty and jet lag knocks me for a loop

    ETA on the topic of another political story I’m only vaguely aware of, I can’t decide if talking about Ted Cruz and dildos (dildoes? Can we ask Dan Quayle?) is disgusting or redundant.

  263. 263.

    Betty Cracker

    @Miss Bianca: My hubby and a neighbor made a big batch of mead a couple of years back. Gotta be careful with that stuff! They bottled it in 12 ounce bottles, and I made the mistake of sucking it down as if it were beer. Nope!

  265. 265.

    geg6

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    As well he should. He’s actually bitching about Hillary being shrill when that old disheveled jerk does nothing but shout and finger wag? Fuck Hertzberg. Sideways. With the proverbial rusty chainsaw.

  268. 268.

    jl

    @Baud:

    You are the clear winner of this debate. As a future Democratic president, you owe it to the country to explain how your administration is completely illegitimate

  272. 272.

    magurakurin

    @efgoldman:

    if I were travelling and losing as much sleep and downtime, and spending all day for weeks yelling. I’d be at least as grumpy as he is, probably more so.

    then he’s gonna be really grumpy tomorrow, dude is hopping on a private jet to Rome immediately after this debate, then he will have an hour to get settled, go to the Vatican to give his 10 minute speech and hope Francis stops by to shake his hand at the coffee break, and then back on the jet to New York. Should do wonders for his body clock.

  274. 274.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Baud: He keeps saying: “Secretary Clinton do you want to tax cabins?” As in levying revenue requirements on log homes.

  275. 275.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Dan Grilo
    ‏@grilodan
    .@BernieSanders wants to destroy banks, telecom, oil, auto, healthcare, retail Cos. Other then that, looks like our economy will be great!

  277. 277.

    jl

    @Baud: I meant besides the degenerate wastrel and vile hypocrite things. GOP can’t make much hay out of that anymore.

  281. 281.

    geg6

    @geg6:

    And while I’m ranting, there is no lack of sexism and misogyny among liberal men. The best I can say is the worst of them is not as bad as the best Republican. Which is the lowest bar imaginable.

  282. 282.

    magurakurin

    I imagine the reason Clinton doesn’t want to release those transcripts is because there would be countless opportunities for the Republicans to take bits and pieces out of context and make nice attack ads with them. And I also think that she feels Trump probably has some really good gems to be found in his speeches and she wants to save hers as a bargaining chip.

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    patroclus

    @bmoak: Actually, the Interstate Highway system was primarily a Democratic initiative, led by Sam Rayburn, who had first passed the Highway Act of 1944. He just agreed to have it named after Eisenhower in order to help win Republican support. They had disagreements about the funding of it, but both sides supported it strongly.

  287. 287.

    Kropadope

    @debbie:

    You’re very free with your gloating and your assumptions about others’ beliefs

    It’s the hot new thing at Balloon Juice.

    @Elie:

    I did notice that he was purposely sticking his head back into a hostile situation and I did wonder why…

    At least I’m not alone in noticing the hostility.

  293. 293.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @satby: :-( I hope it’s not too painful to get it straightened out. Hang in there.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Adam L Silverman

    @Baud: I thought it was climate change, but this whole cabin thing has me thinking vacation lodging.

  296. 296.

    mike in dc

    Christ, there’s another hour of this? It just feels like they’re arguing the same points in every debate.

  304. 304.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: We used to have a log cabin – my Dad built it (paid for someone to build it, he was all thumbs) as a retirement home.

    I hope Baud has figured out I was being a smartass in regard to Senator Sanders pronouncing carbon as if it was cabin.

  305. 305.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @mike in dc: I never understood the people clamoring for more.

    It’s the hot new thing at Balloon Juice.

    Anybody got a spare pinky? Maybe a juice box?

  307. 307.

    jl

    I have to go just as debate is getting interesting. I’ll check the youtube tomorrow.

    If the moderators bring up the ***ghazi or *mail words, I expect Baud! 2016! to smack them one good. He needs to do something in this debate.

  312. 312.

    guachi

    Hillary basically filibustered her Libya response. I think because it really hasn’t turned out as well as she had hoped.

  315. 315.

    patroclus

    The meeting two days ago in Libya was actually a very positive sign. It was the first time the EU foreign minister had been there for years and most ambassadors were there. Now, the security may have been good only in the small area where the meeting was held and the remainder of the country seems to be dominated by various warlords (including ISIS), but there is at least some momentum towards stabilization.

  320. 320.

    redshirt

    Unexpected downside to a log cabin: Bugs like to live in the knots and cracks and soon enough there are 50 ladybugs on your epic picture window.

    We don’t need more taxes!

  324. 324.

    WarMunchkin

    Went to an HRC event in NYC for this, and I had to leave because s debate made me physically sick. This WWE bullshit doesn’t serve anyone. Ban crowds please.

  326. 326.

    Elie

    My opinion: I wanted to see a dominant performance by a woman who wants to be the first woman president of the lead world super power. To do that, she would have to claim her space — be authoritative and though not impolite or a bitch, send a make no mistake signal that she is in charge. She would/will have to do that in that position in many many situations that have enormous implications for our safety, security and overall wellbeing. She will potentially ask people to sacrifice a great deal, including their lives in her decisions, and she is gonna have to be tough enough to do that and withstand all kinds of criticism and abuse. She has shown herself to have a tough hide and a clear/sharp mind. I make it less about him being not up to it than her being overwhelmingly the best person to steer our “chariot of the sun”. Bernie has done his country a great service and he should be proud. But he is not presidential material and there is no shame in that — few are. I hope he is able to bring it around to support her and winning this next very important election. If he doesn’t we will have to push on nevertheless.

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    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    If jacking up the heating bills of the working class with a regressive carbon tax is such a good idea why don’t they have one in the utopian paradise of Vermont?

  330. 330.

    Miss Bianca

    @Baud: Grumpy Bear is the latest superhero out there. He’s just an average, jazz-playing bear in NYC who mauls people who talk about stuff he doesn’t like. As a public service. Don’t tell efgoldman!

  332. 332.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Mnemosyne: I know I’m very late to this, but felicitations on the MD (medical denouement). A friend ran pretty much the same gauntlet a few years back, with the same benign result, & I well remember how stressful & unsettling the process was for her.

  333. 333.

    Matt McIrvin

    @lamh36: My parents tell me I never really crawled. I just sort of rolled around like a log, and then started walking (fairly late).

    Zoe is amazingly cute.

  335. 335.

    StellaB

    @Baud: I’ve been told that she’s behind Citizens United. Apparently David Bossie is really her evil minion.

  336. 336.

    VFX Lurker

    @lamh36:

    Anyway, my neice Zoe turned 8 months old this month…Time for 8 month pics…

    Adorable!!! Thank you for sharing these.

  339. 339.

    akryan

    @redshirt: I. Totally. Agree. Earmarking was the grease that got shit done. They were never the huge wastes of money that they were made out to be. Some of them were silly. Most of them were geared toward some type of infrastructure though, because having big machines building things is a really tangible way for congress critters to show their constituents how effective they are. Ever since earmarking ended there is no incentive to compromise on anything. Full disclosure: I’m from AK, so for a long time we were the biggest earmark whores in the nation (probably still are) because our senator was chairman of the senate appropriations committee. I’m a little biased.

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