Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

I really should read my own blog.

It’s a doggy dog world.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Everybody saw this coming.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Second rate reporter says what?

Everyone is in a bubble, but some bubbles model reality far better than others!

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Bad news for Ron DeSantis is great news for America.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

We still have time to mess this up!

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Battle won, war still ongoing.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickle?”

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

The words do not have to be perfect.

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  4. 4.

    Baud

    Mrs. Cruz agrees.

    Jake Tapper Verified account
    ‏@jaketapper

    Cruz: “Trump had his strongest debate performance of the election cycle”

  6. 6.

    CaptainFwiffo

    Liked the part where he said he deserved credit for not saying something awful and sexist to Hillary. He wasn’t talking to voters, he was talking to his staff. He’s like a child who wants credit for not shitting his pants.

  10. 10.

    Truegster

    That lived up to my expectations. He barely has the *sniff sniff attention span to *sniff sniff answer the question.
    Not a single cough from Hillz, I think Trump hydrated like a Rubio and made stupid faces.
    What’s the theory on the sniffing? Anyone? Nervous tic? Coke bump stuck in the nose?

  11. 11.

    tobie

    @lamh36: Take heart…the white voter sample was probably 65/35 in favor of Trump at the get-go and even they have to concede he didn’t land a punch.

  13. 13.

    scav

    @CaptainFwiffo: What about the bit where his riposte to Clinton about stiffing contractors (“Maybe they didn’t do a good job.”) brings up the logically followup of all his oft-mentioned ontimeandunderbudget hotels etc having substandard construction.

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    Nichols should know better – there is NO Commander in Chief test. There is only a Presidential test of which one duty, among many, is being “commander in chief of the Army and the Navy and the Militia of the several States when called into the actual service of the United States:”

  16. 16.

    Jeffro

    @dmsilev: again, how could any reporter resist tracking down members of the “deep bench” and asking them how they lost to this guy?

    Oh that’s right…no one in the media these days is a ‘reporter’, they’re stenographers

  17. 17.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Looks like the sniffing is the new sighing. Trump’s getting Gored as a coke addict on twitter.

  19. 19.

    dmsilev

    @scav: And also, his supposed strong suit is knowing how to pick good people. Or so he says, anyway. So, why did he hire all those lousy sub-contractors in the first place?

  20. 20.

    Anoniminous

    @lamh36:

    That’s 6 points better than Obama did in 2016 and he won by a total of 4%. If it carries through to the general we’re looking at a Wave Election.

  31. 31.

    Ruckus

    @dmsilev:
    Well if you follow Donnie’s logic, it’s because they were the cheapest. If he was smart and planed to stiff them he would only hire the very best and at least get something good out of it. That’s if he were smart. Which of course he isn’t in any way.

  33. 33.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Mike Signorile Verified account
    ‏@MSignorile

    CNN poll: Who won the debate? 62% Clinton, 27% Trump #TrumpTrainWreck

  37. 37.

    Corner Stone

    Over prepared? OVER PREPARED? OVER FUCKING PREPARED?!
    I would punch Chuck Todd right in his stupid fucking snot locker if I saw him right now.
    No. No. I retract that. I would not do such a thing because I am not sure I would be able to stop once I started. And that would be wrong.

  40. 40.

    dmsilev

    @khead: Lester Holt asked follow-up questions when the candidate dodged or flat-out ignored his original question. Most of that was aimed at Donald Trump because, well, Donald Trump did most of the dodging and ignoring.

  43. 43.

    Corner Stone

    More and more Kellyann Conway looks like Lori Singer in the movie Warlock after the bad guy steals her personal trinket and starts stealing her essence.

  46. 46.

    Tazj

    @Redshift: Amen. I just watched some HGTV, a little DIY and helped one of my kids with their math homework. Thanks for letting me enjoy the evening.

  49. 49.

    Kropadope

    Also, Trump speaks out against the 5th amendment cuz fuck the Constitution if you’re a Republican, right?

  50. 50.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    Kellyanne looks awful…awful Chris Christie looked awful…Trump didn’t look all that hot either. They at least need better make up people. And Kellyanne needs conditioner or gloss stuff on her hair.

  51. 51.

    Brachiator

    @Baud:

    . But he didn’t have that in any of the prior debates, did he?

    The sniffing thing is a key Trump trait. There is a British radio comedy called Dead Ringers, which features the cast doing impressions of politicians and celebrities. The comic who does Trump got his accent and vocal cadence right and also includes the sniffing.

  54. 54.

    nonynony

    I asked this in the other thread but has anyone gone off into the fever swamps to see how the Wingnuts are dealing with this mess?

  60. 60.

    randy khan

    So there’s a thing at Free Republic about how Trump’s mic was “rigged to pick up every little snort.”

    Also speculation about whether NBC fed her the questions in advance.

    I kid you not.

  62. 62.

    Mike J

    Cue up the chicken sounds:

    Matt Negrin Verified account @MattNegrin Matt Negrin Retweeted Bloomberg Politics
    Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn’t do more debates bc of the moderator

  63. 63.

    Baud

    Matt Negrin ‏@MattNegrin 6m6 minutes ago East Garden City, NY

    Matt Negrin Retweeted Bloomberg Politics

    Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn’t do more debates bc of the moderator

  65. 65.

    piratedan

    just took a peek over at RedState, they think it was a draw…. sighs

    but then again, most of those guys think she’s guilty of treasonous acts because of “e-mail”, so whatevs.

  66. 66.

    Redshift

    @Mike J: Let the wingnuts pretend to be tough guys with their “Second Amendment solutions.” Our Fifteenth Amendment and Nineteenth Amendment solutions are much more effective (and much more real.)

    Or to put it in other terms, thank you to people of color and women for saving me from my fellow white guys.

  68. 68.

    Felonius Monk

    @Corner Stone: This was just one reply in Chucles Twitter feed:

    @MeetThePress @chucktodd Jesus Christ you are dedicated to false equivalence. Or are just a tool.

  69. 69.

    dmsilev

    @Lizzy L: If Trump skips out on the second debate, he will forever be branded as the guy who got his ass kicked and was too much of a wimp to come back for a rematch. It would destroy his candidacy.

    More likely, I think, is that he spends the next couple of weeks stewing about tonight and comes out in full asshole mode right from the beginning of the second debate.

  70. 70.

    Another Scott

    @Truegster: It just sounded like his sinuses were nearly closed to me. He should have had enough sense to know not to stand so close to the mic.

    His heart is probably too enlarged and weak for him to be a coke user. It would probably kill him. :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  72. 72.

    bluehill

    Some people wonder what white privilege is even when it’s yelling at them during the debates. Trump is the ultimate definition. There can be no better example of someone who has done nothing to earn his position especially as a nominee for president.

  75. 75.

    Redshift

    @piratedan:

    just took a peek over at RedState, they think it was a draw…. sighs

    Bwahahahaha! How transparent can you get? “Let’s call it a draw, okay?” isn’t something you say unless you know you lost.

  77. 77.

    SenyorDave

    @Mike J: Made the mistake of watching CNN for post debate coverage. they had a focus group with 20 undecided voters from Orlando area. 18 of 20 felt Clinton won debate, which was higher than I expected. But what struck me was a young woman who had supported Sanders. She was upset that she did not hear a strong progressive message from Trump. I wanted to scream, but it was midnight and my wife was fast asleep, so I actually screamed into a pillow. Its so obvious that if you were a progressive and supported Sanders that you would turn to Trump.

  79. 79.

    JCJ

    There was a Trump sign at the entrance to my subdivision today. It was on property which belongs to the subdivision with the sign with the name of the subdivision and not an individual. After the debate my wife, daughter and I went and took down the sign. I left a note which said, “Not everyone in this subdivision is a racist POS. Get your sign out of here!”

  80. 80.

    NotMax

    The mic was defective.

    The lights were in my eyes. Bad technicians. I wouldn’t pay them.

    Guy in the third row was wearing a funny hat that kept distracting me.

    Left my Dr. Scholl’s gel things in the limo.

    Lester Holt obviously had a political agenda. And who names their kid Less anyway? Oh, and too dusky, not representative of the real America at all.

  81. 81.

    Brachiator

    @Baud:

    . I never really noticed it before.

    Now I can’t unhear it. It’s like the weird thing he does with his hands, like a short armed dinosaur trying to clutch at something. He’s an odd man.

  82. 82.

    nonynony

    @Redshift: If any Republican calls it a draw you know they know it was a rout. They treat actual draws as wins and even slight losses as wins. Trump could have had a stroke on stage and they’d spin it as a win.

    To call it a draw means they know he got stomped.

  86. 86.

    hilts

    @dmsilev:

    Donald Trump is the biggest fucking crybaby to ever run for President. First it was the vote will be rigged, then the debate moderators will be unfair to him, now the microphone was defective. What will he whine about next?

  90. 90.

    Aleta

    These Trump supporters who’re saying he didn’t do so well tonight? When was he ever less crazed? When did he ever appear competent to them?

  94. 94.

    Major Major Major Major

    I think my favorite part is how Trump didn’t deny any of the allegations.

    He doesn’t pay taxes? Well that’s just smart.
    Stiffing contractors? They didn’t do good work.
    He declared bankruptcy? He abuses the laws, it’s smart.
    Works with Gaddhafi? That’s just business for you.

  95. 95.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @dmsilev:

    More likely, I think, is that he spends the next couple of weeks stewing about tonight and comes out in full asshole mode right from the beginning of the second debate.

    He will definitely stew over it. When he realizes all the pundits think he lost, it will become the worst night of his life. He’s an incredibly petty and vindictive man. I don’t know if he’ll back off because he’s terrified of going through that humiliation again, or he’ll do something incredibly stupid and provocative, but his rage and humiliation over tonight will be driving him for a long time.

  96. 96.

    dmsilev

    I think the next debate should be between Hillary Clinton and the candidate with the second most coherent set of proposed policies and views: Harambe the dead gorilla.

  100. 100.

    Kropadope

    @Aleta:

    These Trump supporters who’re saying he didn’t do so well tonight? When was he ever less crazed? When did he ever appear competent to them?

    Well, this is the first time he had to debate a non-Republican.

  101. 101.

    Mnemosyne

    @efgoldman:

    Ah, I see that your wife and my husband are twins (but don’t tell her that she’s old enough to be his mother). He couldn’t stand to watch or even follow on Twitter, and with his blood pressure, it’s probably for the best.

  102. 102.

    BethanyAnne

    @Frankensteinbeck: I think he’ll *have* to come back. Attention is his drug of choice /sniff. And he’ll want to prove he can beat her. My question is: Will his ego let him prepare? Or would that mean admitting that he needs to prepare?

  104. 104.

    Lyrebird

    @lamh36: I don’t know who they are asking! Maybe more committed HRC-supporting pinkish people have their phones turned off?

    Just blathering. And embarrassed on behalf of my fellow melanin-challenged folk. I was appalled that McCain/Palin got more than 35 votes, but this…?

    ETA glad to hear from Rikyrah and others that those numbers are good.

  106. 106.

    Lizzy L

    @dmsilev: You could be right. I’m thinking he spends the time between now and October 9th building a narrative about the debates being “rigged” and “unfair,” until he finally announces that his staff has investigated the debate planners and “you won’t believe what they found” — they’re totally in the tank for Hillary! He has evidence! Proof! Which he will make public at the proper time!

    Or not. F**k, we’re in Wonderland. Anything can happen.

  109. 109.

    dmsilev

    @BethanyAnne: Does he have _time_ to prepare even if he wants to? The second debate is just under two weeks from now, and that’s not much time to cram-read “Presidenting For Dummies”.

  114. 114.

    Another Scott

    @Major Major Major Major: Sued twice by the Justice Department for redlining? Hey, lots of racists were doing the same thing back then. I’m so smart that when they caught me I didn’t admit any wrongdoing, so I’m just like MLK. So there! Take that!

    He’s incredibly stupid and/or brain damaged.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  116. 116.

    Baud

    From a liberal point of view, I still think the best part of the debate was the beginning, when Hillary was defending progressive taxation and Trump was taking the anti-tax, anti-regulation GOP line.

  117. 117.

    jl

    @Dork: Damn, you beat me to it. Noticed the same thing.
    I hid in the gym during the debate. I thought there was an orange punching bag in the RX-whatever class room, but it was orange and blue. Well, OK, good enough for some practice.

    I heard Donny had a hard time. Hope it wasn’t unfair or rigged.

  118. 118.

    planetjanet

    Love this comment from over at the Great Orange Satan.

    What is the difference betwern Trump and the Hindenburg? One is a flaming Nazi gasbag, and the other is a zeppelin.

  120. 120.

    nonynony

    @Lyrebird: A reminder that Mitt Romney got 59% of the white vote. John McCain got 55%.

    The fact that “only” 47% of white voters are willing to say he won is good news. If he can’t reproduce Romney’s numbers in the end then he’s got no path to win. He’s got to do substantially better than Romney did with white people to win bc he’s written off every otherdemographic.

  124. 124.

    jl

    Jesus wept. Man, Trump said a lot of pure dumb tonight. Like an explosion of lying stupid.
    Trump wasn’t lying about not preparing. I was afraid it was some feint.

    Called out on his lies about opposing Iraq invasion and said it was something he whispered to his BFF Sean? Admitted he hadn’t really thought about NATO policy much? Denied he called global warming a hoax.

    Hope this turns the tide. Enough undecided must see this guy is a vicious ignorant loon. Probably still be close. But the GOP will wear this dung bag around its neck loud and proud, huh?

  126. 126.

    Anoniminous

    @nonynony:

    39% of white people voted for Obama in 2012 and it is inconceivable Clinton could do worse and almost certain she will do better. Before this debate I was expecting her to get around 41% because of white women. Now I’m thinking 42% to 43%.

  127. 127.

    psycholinguist

    CNN flash poll of debate watchers – who won? 27% Trump. There it is, in all its glory. This has to be CNN trolling

  129. 129.

    piratedan

    @Adam L Silverman: holy shit Adam, if those guys didn’t have the right to own a gun, its as if the United States wouldn’t even exist. Talk about your one trick fucking pony, we should give them an underpass to live under with all the guns they could carry.

  131. 131.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Baud:

    Hookers and blow for everyone!

    Had you been clearer that this was your platform, you would have been in the debate tonight, polling way ahead of Johnson PLUS Harambe.

  132. 132.

    Mary G

    OMG, Hillary was saving Ms. Camacho and her story is devastating in the long form video. I couldn’t link it but I hope one of the front pagers will put it up.

  134. 134.

    Brachiator

    I listened to the first hour and a half or so of the debate and then had to take care of some personal business. I got home after the debate was over and Trump was walking out of the spin room(??!)

    The pundits are nuts. I heard Chuck Todd of NBC whine that the American people were losers because the candidates did not discuss the issues. Well, during the part I heard, Clinton was clear on aspects of her tax and economic policy, while Trump sputtered and trotted out his stump speech chestnuts.

    Clinton was not only prepared to deal with policy questions she was prepared to deal with Trump. And she was able to include the conclusions from other experts about his proposals without calling him an ignorant liar.

    I should not be surprised that some are calling this a draw even though some pundits and even Trump’s own strategists are saying that Trump did not prepare for the debate.

    I think that Clinton was able to reveal Trump for what he is, a small minded bigot who doesn’t have the brains to publicly step away from his own worst ideas. What viewers and listeners do with this remains to be seen.

    BTW, Trump’s attempt to to proudly justify his birher was uncomfortable, strange, pathetic. He can’t see how alienating and insulting his stance is, both in initially embracing such insanity, and in thinking that he can simply drop it when it no longer suits his purposes, and everyone will meekly fall in line.

  136. 136.

    danielx

    That man cannot maintain a coherent thought for more than a minute at a time.

    @Lizzy L:

    I’m thinking he spends the time between now and October 9th building a narrative about the debates being “rigged” and “unfair,” until he finally announces that his staff has investigated the debate planners and “you won’t believe what they found” — they’re totally in the tank for Hillary!

    October 9th hell, why wait for actual investigation? He totally will make that claim by tomorrow, if not tonight. Though it’s possible his staff have taken away his phone and administered serious meds by now to put an end to tonight’s episode of Donald’s Excellent Adventure.

  137. 137.

    ? Martin

    @dmsilev:

    More likely, I think, is that he spends the next couple of weeks stewing about tonight and comes out in full asshole mode right from the beginning of the second debate.

    I think so too. His campaign broadcasted that afterward. Trumps problem is that this didn’t work, and I don’t think he has a ‘more presidential’ mode to go to. He definitely has a ‘more asshole’ mode, though, and it’s a mode that he’s very good at. The best strategy for them may be to crosscheck her early on and try and take her off her game. I think it’ll fail in two ways – one, New Yorkers appreciate a colossal asshole, but I can’t think of a swing state that does, and I think Clinton will go into the next debate more confident than she was tonight. Trump knew who would show up, but Clinton didn’t. Now she does, she knows she can take him down, and she’ll be better prepared next time.

    Compared to the reversal from the first Obama/Romney rally, Obama had a different mode to go to – one that the public would respect. Trump doesn’t. I think next debate goes no better and likely goes worse.

  138. 138.

    jl

    @Steve in the ATL: Last chance for Baud! 2016! to sneak up on Trump. A 100 percent hookers and blow (and beer and lotto too, of course) platform might work on the Trumpers now.

    Edit: thing is Baud! 2016!’s base is more beer and lotto than hookers and blow. But this is his chance. Desperate Trumpers are wandering around in a daze.

  140. 140.

    Miss Bianca

    @nonynony:

    If any Republican calls it a draw you know they know it was a rout.

    As in The Black Knight saying to King Arthur, All right, we’ll call it a draw”?

  142. 142.

    Adam L Silverman

    @piratedan: It is what it is. And what it is was a minority position within the anti-Federalist/(Jeffersonian Democratic-)Republican movement and party from the late 18th and early 19th century that both the Federalists and the majority of the anti-Federalists/(Jeffersonian Democratic-)Republican movements and parties that were a bunch of fringe, extremist, insurrectionists.

  143. 143.

    jl

    @? Martin: Romney did well in the first debate because he had the discipline to prepare a good Gish Gallop. But he didn’t have another trick to fall back on, so, he had to do serious debate and lost on the issues. too bad. At least a person could sleep a little at night during that election. Four years of corrupt fat cat deals in the quiet back rooms would have been depressing, and we would have probably lost health care reform. But at least Romney would have been unlikely to blow up the world because he never bothered to study up on how NATO worked.

  146. 146.

    Miss Bianca

    @Baud:

    Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn’t do more debates bc of the moderator

    What is it with these fucking “tough guys” who crumple up like a cheap cardboard suitcase whenever someone actually challenges them? Gee…it’s as if they’re all talk even if they’re only dealing with…talk.

  147. 147.

    jl

    @Mike J:

    ” JOHN PODHORETZ
    Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters ”

    If his supporters had any sense, they would know nothing new about that. Not sure why anyone should be bothered.

  148. 148.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: I haven’t read through it. Did the guy with the manifesto who is so angry that he can’t type a coherent sentence show up in the comments? How about the guy who claims to have been in the infantry after moving to the US from the Soviet Union as a kid and basically wants to establish an authoritarian state and society in the name of Liberty?

  149. 149.

    Brachiator

    @Major Major Major Major:

    . I think my favorite part is how Trump didn’t deny any of the allegations.

    Yep. Even the 1970s housing discrimination. “Hey, all us real estate guys were doing it. I was smart enough to settle without admitting guilt.”

    Wow. Just, wow.

  150. 150.

    nonynony

    @Anoniminous: Kerry got 41% of white people in 04. Gore got 42% in 00. So possible. But I’m still betting on more like 39-40 for Clinton. Republican women are crazy, and I don’t think they’ll have a problem voting for Trump. Would love to be wrong about that tho.

  151. 151.

    Lizzy L

    @jl: Yes. Though I can’t believe I am looking back with grudging kindness at MittFuckingRomney. Best epitaph ever: “He would have been unlikely to blow up the world.”

  154. 154.

    jl

    @nonynony: Recent poll averages I’ve seen show Trump having a hard time getting much more than 50 percent solid support among Whites. The hunt for the missing White voters from the Romney election not turning up much.

    Probably too many of them damn college degree eggheads among the Whites these days. Look for (edit: even more) GOP plotting revenge on higher ed if Trump loses.

  155. 155.

    JGabriel

    @piratedan:

    just took a peek over at RedState, they think it was a draw…. sighs

    Redstate is largely anti-Trump, and has been for most of this election cycle. So it’s probably not the best place for one seeking schadenfreude and bitter tears from wingnuts devastated by Trump’s performance.

  157. 157.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: I didn’t read the whole thread, I just got to the point where the guy writing the article said, “well they both talked about how people who are illegals shouldn’t be able to get guns, only Hillary talked about gangs and Trump talked about scary immigrant terrorists but they both agreed that these folks shouldn’t have guns and neither should people on the no-fly list. And they probably said some other stuff but I was pretty drunk by then and I think I may have just passed out.”

    ETA: But I do plan to go back and read the comments. I’m just not sure it’s wise to do it just before bed-time.

  161. 161.

    danielx

    @Mike J:

    JOHN PODHORETZ
    Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters

    It hasn’t bothered them any up until now, and there’s been plenty of evidence – why would it begin to worry them now? As far as I can tell, their logic (such as it is) goes like this.

    Hey, we don’t like the way things have been going, what with a black imposter in the White House and queers getting married and suchlike. Let’s put a rich twelve year old ADHD Hitler Youth inductee in charge! What could go wrong?

  163. 163.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: I just read it. Manifesto Guy didn’t show up – probably after his bed time. The other guy did show up. You should have seen this morning’s thread when they were speculating about the Houston shooter. Got real quiet once it came out he was wearing a WW II ear Wermacht uniform with a NAZI arm band, had NAZI paraphernalia in his car, and more NAZI paraphernalia at his home. Not even an attempt to do the “NAZIs are liberals because it was National Socialism”.

  164. 164.

    Peter

    God, I hope he backs out of the other two debates, and Clinton just shows up to the debate stage without him and answers questions from the moderator for the whole time the debate was supposed to run for.

  166. 166.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman: What, nothing about God-given Second Amendment rights”? Not even a “the only thing that stops a bad Nazi with a gun is a…oh, wait…”?

    ETA: Or dare I hope that fascist cosplay makes shit seem all a bit too real even for these guys? I mean, I know the owner of that site is Jewish.

  167. 167.

    Cckids

    @Anoniminous: @Mnemosyne: And it’s the one weekend this fall I’ll be out of Vegas!! Good luck with the S. Nevadans; we’re a contrary bunch. Thank you for your service:)

    Only snarking a bit with that last. Good luck with the clowns & be happy you aren’t in Tonopah.

  168. 168.

    sinnedbackward

    @jl: Also Obama had spent most of the previous night on the phone with the Turkish President (IIRC) defusing a crisis, so was working on little sleep.

  169. 169.

    Steve in the ATL

    Good fucking God. Just read the NYT recap of the debate. “They clashed” “both made good points” “trump attacked on the email server!” “Emails!!!111!”

    What a useless rag. Sad to see such a decline.

  173. 173.

    TS

    @lamh36:

    Even among white voters the debate was basically a draw, with Trump only ahead 47/45:

    Something seriously wrong with these “white voters”. Despicable doesn’t half describe them if they think Trump should be President.

  175. 175.

    BethanyAnne

    @TS: Shit, did you watch Luntz’s afterparty? I swear one of the “undecideds” was Black, and said that the debate moved her to Trump’s camp. I … I have no words.

  176. 176.

    TS

    @BethanyAnne: I just followed a couple of blogs – could not bring myself to watch anything to do with Trump. Guess that there undecided is the 1/100 black person who would vote for Trump – seems to me someone in the Trump camp is paying these people to be so obviously against themselves – or else – as has been said – they are despicable.

  180. 180.

    low-tech cyclist

    @Miss Bianca:

    As in The Black Knight saying to King Arthur, All right, we’ll call it a draw”? s in The Black Knight saying to King Arthur, All right, we’ll call it a draw”?

    Exactly!

    I don’t talk politics at work, but I’m gonna print out that image (easily Googled, of course), and tape it to the side of my cube.

  182. 182.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    @NotMax: He’d have a damn strong defamation suit. Sniffles was always kindly, even toward the “other” – the buzzard who eats mice, the strange winged mouse, and they both ramble like no one’s business. Except Sniffles stayed on topic better, and was *far* more coherent.

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