2. Trump will lose. @jbouie called it in June (altho he forgot to include "women" in the firewall. (Men!)) https://t.co/MVtzB9oBIb
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) October 28, 2016
I wholeheartedly endorse Erica Grieder’s thesis here:
3. I know @jbouie is right bc *this is exactly why Mitt Romney lost*. Here's my post-mortem from 2012. https://t.co/vciVQWMTd8 pic.twitter.com/3gMlzNaxDT
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) October 28, 2016
7. It's easy to lose sight of that bc the failures are so visible. As a result #2016 is destroying our confidence in each other & ourselves.
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) October 28, 2016
9. And since that sounds a little woo-woo, let me point out that it is not. GDP grew 1.4% in the second quarter & 2.9% in the third.
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) October 28, 2016
10. What changed between Q2 & Q3? Hmm, maybe it was our collective post-RNC/DNC consensus: "wtf, lol. Ok, Clinton it is"
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) October 28, 2016
Nothing important has changed since last night — the Repubs, and their abettors like James Comey, remain venal; Hillary Clinton is chugging along to become our first female President; and we Democrats, perennial eeyores that we be, are in more danger from our own panic than any outside forces.
Eleven days (quickly becoming ten!) until this election is finally over, and we can get on with our lives.
Trentrunner
Fuck the haters. Let’s do this.
Corner Stone
Voted Tuesday. Fuck James Comey. Fuck him up his stupid ass.
Omnes Omnibus
I voted this afternoon. The deputy clerk who took my ballot told me that they had been very busy. In Madison, WI, that is good news.
Cleos
What a complete and total nothingburger. With this kind of ‘leader’ the FBI is close to being a grotesque rogue agency.
Davis X. Machina
Why are you people cheer-leading for an outcome that will simply cement the status quo, continue to immiserate the masses, and further delay the otherwise ineluctable day of revolution?
Omnes Omnibus
@Davis X. Machina: I do it because I am an asshole. You?
Sasha
Read about my friend Marco, a “partisan RINO” who accidentally punked the Conservative Media Industrial Complex.
(He’s the guy responsible for “bucket of losers” among other things.) ?
Major Major Major Major
@Cleos: yeah, it’s kind of amazing now nothing-y this burger is to be honest.
Corner Stone
@Davis X. Machina: That’s an interesting question, as all your trenchantly penchant insights are.
Baud
Exactly right, AL.
Davis X. Machina
@Omnes Omnibus: Me, I took the Dialectic and the points. I don’t actually need the Revolution to win, just need it to cover the spread.
Mnemosyne
I’m not even sure this could have been called a nothingburger. It seriously went from OMG FBI IS RE-OPENING CLINTON EMAIL CASE to Oh, wait, it’s not actually related to that within, what, 30 minutes? An hour, at most?
Here, watch a stuck raccoon being rescued from a tank. It’s a more productive use of your time. Or go Hillary’s route and watch some cat GIFs.
If this “new emails!” story freaked you out, it’s time to step away from the election news.
Baud
I want Hillary to set up an email address so we can email her our thanks. Then she can print them all out and send them to Comey and Chaffetz to examine.
amk
who freaks out more easily, the left or the right?
Barbara
@Omnes Omnibus: I also voted this afternoon. I was so angry with this latest idiocy that I left and got there with less than 10 minutes to spare. People were still coming in as I was leaving. They were busy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Davis X. Machina: Well done you.
Smiling Mortician
@Omnes Omnibus: As I said to a friend earlier this evening, in a somewhat different context: We are all assholes. That’s evolutionary fact, man.
Omnes Omnibus
@Barbara: I had intended to vote today anyway, but this news got my ass up from my desk and out the door.
dmsilev
At least I had the sense to avoid MSNBC today. I’m sure it featured Andrea Mitchell publicly pleasuring herself at the story and nobody, regardless of gender preference, needs to see that.
Major Major Major Major
@amk: we freak out in different ways but just as easily, I think. From over here of course we see it more on the left, but I’ll bet if you’re in the thick of it on the right there’s just as much freaking out.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Davis X. Machina:
I do it because I’m a counterrevolutionary, which means my thought processes cannot be grasped by decent working class people, and I should be treated as a subhuman enemy. Sort of like an orc. That’s definitely how I treat the noble poor who are just waiting to rise up against the fat cats as soon as the differences are highlighted.
EDIT – Sorry, the current word for counterrevolutionary is ‘neoliberal.’ I hope my evil was clear anyway.
Omnes Omnibus
@dmsilev: Jesus, man, WTF? I am billing you for the brain bleach.
Dog Dawg Damn
Chris Matthews was awful.
Chris Hayes let Kellyanne Conway say over and over again that Hillary was being actively investigated by the FBI (not true). He said “right” “right” “right” to her throughout the interview, just letting her lie and lie and lie.
Thank God it’s Friday and the World Series and people will be like “what, an email? what’s in it?”
Only thing that can change anything now is something visceral on VIDEO.
NotMax
Would be nice if maybe added a short sentence now and then as to who the tweeter(s) cited are. Looked up Grieder – author and editor at Texas Monthly, a magazine its president has described as catering to the “elite” and “middle-aged” (ref.).
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: You guys may need a chat room.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Or threaded comments.
Major Major Major Major
I thought we were the People’s Front of Judea.
OldDave
@Corner Stone:
Hard. No grease.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Fuck threaded comments! Fuck them up their stupid asses.
Corner Stone
@Dog Dawg Damn: Hayes gets rolled way too often. It’s like he does not expect it. He gives a small laugh like, huh, huh, but then lets the fucking nutjob keep going.
NotMax
@Baud
Bite thine tongue, sirrah.
dmsilev
@Dog Dawg Damn:
And, in other news, the Sun rose in the east and set in the west.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: I made a graph of a comment thread the other day.
amk
@Major Major Major Major:
voter fraud !!! no, really.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Splitters!
Dog Dawg Damn
@Corner Stone: Yup. He gets super nervous and submissive. He was saying “right” like a nervous tic or something.
“He’s winning in all the polls” “right” “She’s probably going to be indicted” “right”. Very odd.
eric
Let me make this simple for everyone: close races mean more last minute ad money and ad buys by PACs that do NOT get the special candidate rate. So, you tell me, is any of this a surprise?
Trentrunner
@Dog Dawg Damn: My vote is for a video of 13-year-old Ivanka fellating her father.* She spends the first 10 minutes trying to find the Trump Knob with a magnifying glass.
*And before you clutch your pearls, do a goddamn Google photo search of Ivanka and Donald kissing on a bed. Have brainbleach nearby.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: WTF did I just see?
Major Major Major Major
@amk: remember Jade Helm?
Corner Stone
@Baud: I can absolutely see DMX being a fan of threaded comments. Omnes is more persuadable but I have to sadly admit that DMX is now largely a creature of LGM. And there isn’t a larger hive of villainy and scum than that fucking threaded blog spot.
Baud
@Dog Dawg Damn: He wants Republicans to come on his show. He dedicates half his show to them.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
Do you all suppose a knucklehead like Matthews knows he’s called Tweety, that he is notorious for bloviating interruptions, and is regarded as easily manipulated by conservatives (or whatever Conway and Co. are)?
Or do his type live in a bubble, oblivious to their foolishness?
Immanentize
@Major Major Major Major: that is so
Awesome
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: maybe if we organized our threads as a weird stringy graph we could just make everybody equally unhappy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Trentrunner: Jesus Fuck. Don’t say things like that. You are getting a brain bleach bill as well.
Baud
@West of the Rockies (been a while):
I have a fantasy that next time Hillary is being interviewed by him, she “accidentally” calls him that.
amk
All the fucking noise aside, let’s come to the real issue here.
where the fuck is chris christie?
JJ
@Major Major Major Major: I took a screen shot of it and have looked at it a few times. I’m drawn to interesting charts/data capture. Plus, I think I saw Cassiopeia.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Ahem.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Sounds tempting.
Baud
@amk: Is he missing?
Corner Stone
@Trentrunner: What…what in the fucking fuck? What?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Davis X. Machina:
I have just recovered fully from the 2009 economic drubbing, and at my age, I’m too old to play any game other than “status quo”.
jk
@Dog Dawg Damn:
Chris Matthews is simply the scum of the Earth.
I don’t doubt that Clinton will win, but this new development may result in a much closer outcome as opposed to a landslide win and it may result in fewer Dem pickups in the Senate.
Major Major Major Major
@JJ: it’s actually a still of an interactive particle simulation graph, but I couldn’t get it to behave exactly right so I shared that instead.
Omnes Omnibus
@jk: What new development?
Amir Khalid
@amk:
Where is Chris Christie? If you really need to know, just follow the trail of doughnuts.
different-church-lady
@Trentrunner: Why would anyone vote for that?
Immanentize
@amk: Christie is in Jersey City, sitting in the Lion’s Den watching a Springsteen tribute band.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus: Someone put “Clinton” and “email” into the same sentence, which ripped the fabric of the space-time continuum…again.
amk
The other thread sorta spluttered and died before achieving the tbogg unit. Can we do it at least here?
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: No, I saw that. But people who can easily transition their commentary to and fro inside the genre of the classics kind of have you in their wheelhouse. DMX and Tom L could probably convince you that threaded comments are the way to go. And DMX is a proven abuser at this point.
Not saying, just saying.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: How could there be a trail of doughnuts? Crumbs, maybe.
Major Major Major Major
@amk: you’ll have to drop some troll bait.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: No, threaded comments are anathema. Pure and simple.
Jeffro
It’s amazing how quickly wingnuts jumped on this, only to – what, within 2 hours? – have to walk it all back and then some. Probably a good opportunity for everyone to reach out to all their right-leaning friends and relatives and ask, “How many times are we going to do this, Bob? It’s time…time to turn off Fox and put down the remote. Time to find some real news sites besides Breitbart and Drudge. No more lies.”
Or folks could really take a shot and ask, “How’s it feel, continuing to have your buttons pushed on an hourly basis, only to see it never, NEVER come to fruition?”
Cleos
@amk:
On the left, it’s the younger people. On the right, it’s the seniors.
amk
@Major Major Major Major: Ok, Hillary sux. Go.
Lizzy L
@jk: Or it may not. Magic Eightball says, Too Soon To Tell.
gf120581
I’ve been rather amused by how this story has played out. Really, if it has any consequence, it’ll be Comey’s downfall. I personally don’t think it was anything deliberately malicious (it sounds more like a really clumsy cover your ass move by him), but seriously, he has shit the bed for himself on this one big time.
Amir Khalid
@Omnes Omnibus:
Okay then, just follow the trail of doughnut crumbs.
different-church-lady
@Jeffro:
The monkey will push the lever up to 50,000 times hoping the another cocaine packet will come out the slot.
JJ
@Major Major Major Major: Ha. That makes me feel better for the lonely outliers. It was very pleasing to look at.
amk
@Cleos: so, both sides do it? shocking.
Corner Stone
No, Ken Vogel. No Democrats were praising James Comey after his press conference in July about HRC investigation.
Fucking A, please kill this BS line of narrative.
Peale
@amk: the right is always the boy who cried wolf. The left is chicken little.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: You threaded comment slut.
Corner Stone
I love how MSNBC keeps showing a clip of Steve Schmidt telling Brian Williams how significant and sincere the Office of the President is in the USA.
FUCK YOU CLOWN! You wanted to put SARAH PALIN a heartbeat away from it in 2008!
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Mika is technically a Democrat.
gene108
@amk:
The right is perpetually freaked out on rage and fear. The Left gets wound up from time to time, but generally do no exist in a realm of alternate reality, where the past is always better than the future, and Muslims are coming to small towns across America to do terrorism there.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m not on Facebook, but this does seem kind of interesting. Open to counterargument
amk
so, has klannity offered to pay for hillary’s deportation yet?
TK_1
Personally, I think a lot of people just assume the Clintons are sort of shady, BUT (and this is the important part) no more so than most politicians. Only diehard right wing partisans pretend to actually care about this stuff because they think its their closing argument.
Peale
@Corner Stone: what does that mean? It’s a powerful office. But why would we expect it to be sincere? That’s not an attribute of an office.
tobie
@Corner Stone: Please send a comment to politico, NBC or the last word about this. I immediately wrote to USA Today after Heidi przybyla said the same thing on tweety’s show.
Omnes Omnibus
@gene108: The left panics easily. I find it tiresome, but we have to live with it.
RK
To me it’s like a balloon popping: Loud, jarring but nothing more. I guess we’ll see in a few days.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
absolutely, he strikes me as the type who googles himself constantly, and asks his wife, his kids and at least one assistant what they hear/read people say about him
that’s not as easy. Remember in the Plame trial, when it came out that Mary Matalin, speaking for Cheney, said that she and that thing both thought Tweety was too tough (Veep hates Chris, or some such), and thought Tim Russet was a much easier interview. I actually thought Punkinhead’s reputation might suffer from that. Then he died.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
You are depraved, what the fuck is wrong with you, conjuring up that type of image. You owe us all for therapy.
Anyway today was Bizzaro world on msnbc.
– Morning Joke – highly critical of Comey, said the letter was bullshit and unfair to Clinton, still injected a shot at her, saying the majority in the polls thought she should have been indicted.
– Marl Halpern – also critical of Comey, feels he has been wrong in his handling from the get go, he felt there was cause to prosecute, but since he chose not to, they should have just said no charges and left it at that, no presser, and definitely no letter today.
Rick Tyler and Mike Murphy – both said it would energize some of the Trump bas who were demoralized, but it will have only a marginal effect.
Tweety – the end of the world, gives Trump a chance. Why is Hillary lying about the letter going only to republicans when everyone knows it went to both sides. And why is she denying that the separate investigation is the Wiener one when we know it is. Basically why is the lying liar lying.
Everyone except for Tweety took contrary positions. They all agreed that the impact on the presidential will be minimal, but they think that it will save the house and senate. Someone on Chuckles program did point out that the fact that it took something like this for Trump to finally have a good day says how badly his campaign is going.
Fortunately there were no Mrs Greenspan sightings while I was watching.
Corner Stone
@Peale: There is a whole second and third sentence in my comment there.
redshirt
I hope Clinton has one last batch of terrible oppo data to drop in the next few days. We need to create a wave of repulsion that lasts over election day.
randy khan
Not that I was surprised, but I was just scrolling through channels in my hotel between innings, and the chyron on Fox News was (more or less) “FBI reopens investigation into Hillary Clinton server.” Fair and balanced, indeed.
Lizzy L
Two days ago Steve Schmidt was saying “the walls are collapsing” on Trump and that only thing left uncertain was Hillary Clinton’s EC vote margin. Can you say “Media Whore?” I knew you could. Methinks he’s looking for a job.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Elite Liberal Bias!
jk
@amk:
I think Chris Christie’s attention is focused on the Bridgegate trial
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: each dot is a comment and they’re connected by replies. In general things point “inwards” but I forgot to include arrows. The colors are different commenters. If you look out in the long arm towards the left for example you can see two going back and forth.
ETA: @JJ: No, those are still lonely outliers. But they drift around prettily in the live version!
hovercraft
@Dog Dawg Damn:
I wanted to jump through the TV and slap Hayes around for that “right, right, right” crap.
Feebog
James Farenthold reporting on the Lawrence O’Donnell show that these are emails that Huma copied to her Yahoo account so she could copy them because copying them at State was so convoluted. So, if true, a nothing burger.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That is interesting.
Peale
@Feebog: dumb. She should use gmail.
JJ
@Corner Stone: I think he was probably *freaking out* to some degree with his assignment. And as a R there was no getting around those teabaggers then. Do I forgive him for his part? No. Do I find his apology and perspective interesting? Yes.
Mike E
@Baud: My God, it’s full of trolls…
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw some posts about the story when it first broke, but I wonder if it got debunked too quickly for it to really take over FB?
Or maybe it’ll show up tomorrow. I sometimes see delays of a day or two between when a story breaks and when FB shows it trending.
amk
jk
@Omnes Omnibus:
The shitstorm that Comey has created.
@efgoldman:
I hope this story blows over and that the Dems still have a viable route to winning the Senate, but this isn’t a good narrative to unfold with 11 days to go.
Dog Dawg Damn
@hovercraft: Someone should remind little Chris that “right” literally means “correct”.
redshirt
This story will never blow over on right media. It’s already a done deal – the FBI just re-opened the investigation.
Even though this is not true won’t matter much.
Dog Dawg Damn
No one can actually articulate what is wrong about Hillary Clinton and the emails so I imagine this won’t tilt the outcome, but could make the Senate tighter.
We need the Senate or we’re going to be in gridlock of 4 more years.
Omnes Omnibus
@jk: I am saying what shitstorm? The balloon exploded within two hours. Don’t be a chicken little.
Lizzy L
@Feebog: So per Farenthold, these are copies of e-mails which have already been examined by the FBI? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. (That’s the air going out of the RWNJ balloons.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Dog Dawg Damn: How will this affect the Senate?
Chris
@Cleos:
“Close to being?”
I understand that all government agencies and certainly all security agencies have their ugly corners, but to me the FBI is a category all of its own. When your origin story consists of forty years of J. Edgar Hoover running you as America’s secret police, I’m not sure anything can clean out all that rot.
Kropadope
@jk:
Let’s count on the American people to recognize this as an another cry of “wolf.” This story’s just being Trumped up to make the election exciting. How many thousands of emails do they need to see before their expectations drop for the next thousand?
**How classified info got into the hands of an underage girl!!! News at 11.**
amk
@jk: The difference between the left and the right, despite our mockery of their living in a bubble, is they fucking vote, regardless of which pig runs under (R).
Davis X. Machina
@TK_1: Not just right wing partisans. Non-partisan partisans, too.
In Maine I’m up to my kiester with people who are all set to solve our problems by:
Getting the parties out of politics.
Getting the politicians out of politics.
Getting the politics out of politics.
This apparently will usher in the millennium. This plus the power of Angus King’s mustache.
jk
@hovercraft:
Chris Matthews wants to give Trump a blow job.
Eric U.
@Davis X. Machina: I have a list of people that are going up against the wall when the revolution comes. And I’m not getting any younger.
Kropadope
@Davis X. Machina:
It’s awe-inspiring. Measurable all the way from MA.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The e-mail story has always been a bigger deal for the villagers and the mouth breathers. Just as Benghazi was always a much bigger deal within the beltway, then out in the real world. Remember the RMoney smirk after the Benghazi attack? He just knew it was going to win him the election. This will be another of those “oh my God this changes everything” duds.
Baud
@Davis X. Machina: The Moustache of Nonpartisanship.
divF
@Major Major Major Major: Who’s pink ? S/he seems to play a prominent role.
Schlemazel
Despite what we know about the emails this will be the very first investigation by the House if the GOP keeps it. Followed by round 10 of Benghazi then, if they can’t come up with anything else there will be another Whitewater investigation. This is the world for as long as the GOP controls the House.
redshirt
It is an impressive mustache.
Davis X. Machina
@Eric U.: Brown rice, and yoga. Start tomorrow. It could be a while.
Unfortunately we’ve outsourced all our domestic tumbrel-making capacity to third-world sweatshops. Ames/True Valu shut its last domestic pitchfork plant (in WV) in 2006.
I’m pretty sure — but only pretty sure — we still do torches.
CaseyL
Sam Wang’s weighted prediction of a Dem Senate takeover slipped from 35% to 33%. When I think of the GOP licking its lips over endless obstruction for another 4 years, I want to put my fist through McConnell’s chest.
Major Major Major Major
@divF: I wanna say that’s WaterGirl, but I don’t remember. It’s in the page source if you’re feeling sleuthy.
ETA: @CaseyL: I think you’re reading the graph upside down.
Kropadope
@Baud: The mustache of non-partisanship nevertheless caucuses with the Democrats.
Hal
So who exactly is going to vote for Trump because of this story that wasn’t voting for him before, and more importantly, was set on voting for Hillary Clinton but are now going to change their minds and vote for Trump?
This story is nothing but masturbatory fodder for bored media.
Baud
@Kropadope: I know. He’s better than the GOP.
Baud
@CaseyL: Which states are slipping?
Major Major Major Major
@Hal: probably six people total. Plus the eight who were totally going to vote for Hillary but might just write in Bernie now. But you’re forgetting the important thing, which is that all democrats are always losing.
Lizzy L
@Dog Dawg Damn:This is not going to affect the Senate races worth a damn. The Rs are going to vote for Republican senators, or not. The Ds are going to vote for Democratic senators, or not. This won’t change those votes. The early voters are done. The folks who think/know that Trump is a racist ignorant horror will not suddenly turn and vote for a Republican Senator because of some hazy headline about e-mails. The Hispanic voters, the angry women, the AAs, the folks who want to vote for Hillary because she’s driven and competent, none of them give a shit about these insinuations. Across the country, this will make maybe six people change their votes.
Kropadope
@efgoldman: In the first of the two elections, didn’t the Democrat spoil for Cutler?
redshirt
The Angus King Independent Machine
Is real.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Mike E:
Something’s going to happen… Something blunderful.
jl
@hovercraft:
“it will save the house and senate. ”
Maybe that is why the passive aggressive self-righteous prissy little chickenshit Comey pulled such an egregious stunt. Josh Marshall claims evidence that Comey is just naive, but I cannot agree with Marshall at all here.
After the jaw droppingly irresponsible letter, and the BS way Chaffetz hyped it, news is anonymous FBI sources say it is HRC/Abedin emails on Anthony fricken Weiners frickn phone or something, and not one of them may be a new document.
So, they may be not at all relevant, and even if so, they may not be new. Cheerist. (Edit: and apparently, so far, not one written by HRC herself’)
Comey: asshole. He knows what he is doing. Chickenshit asshole. We do have to give credit, to have a passive aggressive self-righteous prissy little chickenshit with at least a memory of having a principle in the Dub administration was good thing. Give Comey his due. But he is what he is.
I guess they could find a shopping list HRC sent Abedin (‘where can I get them funny little round eggplants anyhoo?’) and that would merit a reckless and asinine letter to vicious GOP goofs in Congress.
NonyNony
@jk:
Here’s how this story is basically playing out:
Hardcore Republicans: CLINTON EMAILS!
Hardcore Democrats: [sigh] Clinton emails.
Vast bulk of American electorate: WORLD SERIES!
Hours after various leaks to the press indicating that this is actually about Anthony’s Weiner:
Hardcore Republicans: Clinton emails?
Hardcore Democrats: Anthony Weiner?
Rest of American Electorate: WORLD SERIES!
When the rest of the electorate catches up in a couple of days, it’ll mostly be along the lines of:
Republican leaners: More evidence that Clinton is a crook! Lock her up!
Democratic leaners: More email? Aren’t they done with that yet?
Undecided voters: Hur-de-dur. I’m just to stooopit to be able to decide between Trump and Clinton. Maybe I’ll go stick my tongue in an electrical socket and see what happens…
So basically where we were this morning, except with a weekend full of hardcore Dems in panic attack mode and hardcore Republicans angry that they’ve once again been teased and Comey isn’t going to even give them a hando…
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Yep. I agree that this will have no real effect at any level. There definitely are people who will panic over this. If they just show up and vote, it will be fine.
Kropadope
@jl:
I think it’s really telling that Hillary Clinton’s response to this was to tell the FBI to open up about what it had.
Lizzy L
@Davis X. Machina: No, the torches all come from China. But there’s a factory just outside of Binghamton, NY that still makes guillotine blades.
divF
@efgoldman: I generally have a window open to each, although I remain only a lurker there. And yes, threaded blog comments are a pestilential scourge. On the other hand, when it’s Sunday morning and all that is available here is a garden thread, well, then it’s the scums’ turn.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: I shit on you a lot, but you have this right.
Schlemazel
@efgoldman:
Yeah that made all the difference in the 90’s they were never able to make any headway against Bill or ignore the needs of the nation while they fiddled. You may remember it as hurting the GOP but it wasted 8 years of great potential, prevented Clinton form getting shit done and was a major factor in bringing the worst President in the history of the nation to the office. You can blame Gore for not dealing well but it was the world that the GOP had built. An now we get to do it all over again.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: comity!
Villago Delenda Est
Comey’s best efforts aren’t good enough to derail the Hillary Express that may very well run right over both the GOP controlled Senate and the GOP controlled House. The Donald has done utmost to make it so.
amk
@Kropadope: That open dare by hillary to fucking cowardly comey is a good move. She sure knows how to fight back against the collective assholes of gopee, msm, wiki and other entrenched rw’ers in the gobinment.
jl
@Kropadope: Seems like a lot of male a-holes want some time in the spotlight before we white males are thrown in the dust bin of history, stomped on, discarded defeated and forgotten, outshown, shown up, bigly bigtime, by the first woman president.
We have Bill (good president, great politician, but, in many ways, a-hole), Trump (of course) and his merry gang, Comey, And now we have to put up with Anthony fricken Weiner in the news again. Is this some kind of karma? Or what?
And many others. On the way to first woman president (which in some ways, should be totally unremarkable, and should have already happened anyway), we have some kind of white male a-hole festival.
Edit: went to check spelling on Weiner. I can never remember. He is both a weener and whiner so hard to remember. This some kind of karma, that we have to deal with Abedin and Weiner again, in the news. Again. It is BS. Total BS is my prediction.
divF
@CaseyL: What are you talking about ? I just looked over at PEC, and the probability of a 50/50 split or better for the dems is at 77%.
T S
This optimism seems delusional. I’m not saying loss is guaranteed….but optimism is absurd at this point.
Omnes Omnibus
@Schlemazel: Do you want to just give up? If not, gird your loins. How do you want to handle it?
And don’t assume that the GOP will have both the House and Senate after this election. They might, but don’t fucking assume it.
jl
But then the GOP leadership is now an all white male all a-hole club.. so.. yeah. I guess we will have to put up with seeing them in the news.
Ol’ Priebus more and more has the same expression as the hero of Eraserhead, when I see pics in the news now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraserhead#/media/File:Eraserhead.jpg
Nom de Plume
@Kropadope:
Yeah, I think CNN had a headline up earlier that was something like “Clinton Demands Answers”. She got out in front of this real nicely. From what I’m seeing in a lot of the reporting, this is gonna backfire on Comey. We might even see a press conference from him soon.
Amir Khalid
@amk:
Hillary’s a lawyer. I read once — in a Rumpole story, but I think it applies to real-life American lawyers too — that lawyers learn never to ask a question unless they already know what the answer will be. I reckon she must know Comey’s got nothing incriminating on her, and possibly not on Huma Abedin either.
GrandJury
@CaseyL: You must be on a different internet. His numbers haven’t really changed much in the past week on my internet.
redshirt
Still, it’s a good distraction for Team Evil.
jk
@NonyNony:
I look forward to Trump’s next batshit crazy statement to turn the media’s attention back to him.
WarMunchkin
@jl: You’ll never resolve the stupid or evil debate. There is just no winning side.
I’m not freaked out about Clinton losing, victory for President is nearly locked in at this point. What I’m freaked out about is the anemic showing of this whole self-government business. I mean dear fucking lord, this is America. Be better, you incompetent fucks.
Major Major Major Major
@WarMunchkin: I’m not seeing where in our history you’re getting this assumption of competence from.
Anoniminous
I’m thinking we got the Senate. NH, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana (Bayh – bleech,) Wisconsin, and Missouri or North Carolina or may be even both (fingers crossed) should flip.
House is a harder nut. Definitely pick up seats. The odds are long against a flip but I haven’t given up hope.
divF
@Major Major Major Major: I looked at the source. My WAG is schroedinger’s cat, but in truth, I don’t want to understand HTML source well enough to confirm that.
Taylor
@Amir Khalid:
James Mason in The Verdict.
WarMunchkin
@Major Major Major Major: I’m partial to the creation and preservation of our national parks as an example, and also, too WW2, the Apollo Program, Social Security, the Brandeis and Warren courts, but YMMV.
divF
@WarMunchkin:
We all have things we are partial to.
ETA: And goodnight it is for me. I hope I eventually get released from moderation, though.
kd bart
If this fizzles out in the next couple of days, as it appears it might, it will deflate the Repubs even more.
Villago Delenda Est
@Major Major Major Major: World. War. II.
Major Major Major Major
@WarMunchkin: @Villago Delenda Est: Sarcasm, sheesh
Major Major Major Major
@divF: I have checked, and it’s WaterGirl.
divF
@Major Major Major Major: Thank you.
CaseyL
@Major Major Major Major: @divF:
The one I’m looking at is “Distribution of All Possible Outcomes,” and it shows 50 Dem Senators at 35% probability.
Which graph are you looking at?
Major Major Major Major
@divF: Yours is sort of cyan.
Major Major Major Major
@CaseyL: And it has 51 dem senators at 26%, and 52 dem senators at 10%…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Meeka is very ‘concerned’.
MisterForkbeard
@CaseyL: Right – as MajorX4 says, 50 Dems is at 35%, but 51 is at 26%, 52 is at 10%, etc. Which means the combined odds of a Democratic Senate are 70%+ right now. Yay!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@hovercraft:
So I guess that dmsilev was right about Ms. Greenspan’s activities today
Aleta
The press tonight is like a runaway train that realizes it’s out of control so it decides to dismantle the brakes and throw the pieces out the window.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I’ve heard that California is supposed to slip into the Pacific any day now.
Mary G
I’m watching Van Jones on Bill Maher and I think he would make an excellent Senator or Representative. He’s the voice of sanity on CNN, but we need him working on our behalf on important issues. And he’s fucking funny. The men in Hillary’s life – Bill Clinton had dick issues, Anthony Weiner is always waving his dick around, Donald Trump is a Dick, Barack Obama – for once, the black man is the innocent one!
And the president’s going to be on Maher next Friday. That’ll be fun.
James E Powell
Chris Matthews is sad that Trump is not doing better. He wishes we could call get past the fact that he is a bigoted, sexist piece of shit and think about the Real Trump and his thoughts on trade and jobs and all that.
Chris Matthews isn’t the only or even the main reason why I stopped watching all cable news shows, but he is the one who put me over the edge.
CaseyL
@MisterForkbeard: I clearly know nothing about statistics; I didn’t read it that way. Good to know!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@redshirt: Aren’t you supposed to be off building your bunker?
Eljai
@James E Powell: Chris Matthews is dead to me. I used to be able to stomach parts of his show, but you’re right, he is obsessed with Trump voters. It’s particularly frustrating because I am actually a working class voter and I care about stuff like trade and I am enthusiastically voting for Hillary as much as I can! But apparently, I am invisible this election.
Major Major Major Major
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I thought it was a compound.
jk
@James E Powell:
Chris Matthews belongs in the cable news basket of deplorables along with Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Howard Kurtz, Megyn Kelly, Eric Bolling, Greg Gutfeld, Mark Halperin, Joe Scarborough, and Mika.
Major Major Major Major
I put up the rest of my graphs.
A putin thread (interactive – click and drag)
Bundy verdict
for both a mouseover gives you commenter name.
amk
fuck you, comey.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Major Major Major Major:
I think Omnes said it can’t be a compound unless it has a bunker. Otherwise it’s just a camp or something. It all sounded very “inside baseball,” so I may have tuned out certain details.
GrandJury
@CaseyL: The numbers haven’t changed much in at least a week. So what exactly is it you are all concerned about?
The Dem prob at 77% is the only number you need to be looking at. I don’t know how or why you are looking at those other numbers. Sounds to me like you are interpreting them wrong.
Steeplejack (phone)
@amk:
He sounds like he is getting the slow-motion realization that he fucked up and he is starting damage control. Probably saw some people in his own office (career FBI, non-political) giving him “WTF?!” looks.
jl
@Steeplejack (phone): I am pissed at every single damn GOPer right now, even the supposedly decent and well meaning remaining serious daddy ones. Guys like Powell, Comey, little chickenshits is what they are. I vaguely remember reading that Powell and Comey are tall and/or large sized people. But little chickenshits come in all sizes. These guys, relatively speaking, did some little to substantial good when we were ruled by worse than little chickenshits, back in the Dub days (or does ‘Days of Dub’ sound better?). But now, these guys are just little chickenshits messing things up.
The GOP must be obliterated (politically, with legally cast votes, of course).
Steeplejack (phone)
@jl:
Most of them have gone so far up their own asses with the right-wing alternative reality that the concept of “governance” is not even in the same solar system.
And the “sane” GOPers are weighing in way too late. Really, Colin? Condi? You couldn’t have said Trump was an idiot six months ago? At this point they’re just piling on to get their name in the book as being “against Trump.”
WarMunchkin
@Steeplejack (phone): You ever wonder what their game plan is? You know, if they (insert superstitious hex dispelling action here) win. I mean, yeah, same thing they always do pinky, but do they have any fucking clue how to govern? I can’t imagine Rubot, Golly or the Zodiac Killer spending even a second in the Oval Office without shitting their pants.
jl
@Steeplejack (phone):
FBI sources say:
” The emails were not to or from Clinton, and contained information that appeared to be more of what agents had already uncovered, the official said, but in an abundance of caution, they felt they needed to further scrutinize them. ”
from
FBI says emails found in Anthony Weiner’s sexting scandal may have links to Clinton probe
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fbi-clinton-email-probe-20161028-story.html
This supports my theory that Comey is passive-aggressive self-righteous pissy little chickenshit, GOP variety. I don’t buy Josh Marshall’s theory that Comey is naive.This GOPer flunky saw an electoral disaster for the wreck and disaster-waiting-to-happen that is his sad vicious little shit-show of a party. He was probably all worried and feeling weird about funny looks from the swarming hordes of GOP hacks that infest the country, and saw a chance to get a little kick in before the election. Total chickenshit move by Comey.
Today’s GOP, ruins of a once great political party that once produced many important progressives: bigots, plutocrats, ignoramus fools, sex and anti-sex freaks, misogynists, reactionary anarchists who shoot people and blow stuff up, and the ‘good ones’ are crummy little chickenshits.
?BillinGlendaleCA
A late night treat for y’all:
The old Forum Theater(now a Korean church).
and
one of the buildings across the street.
Steeplejack (phone)
@WarMunchkin:
They are like a dog chasing a car. They just want to “win” by catching the car. Forget the fact that they wouldn’t have the faintest idea what to do with it. Although they probably have some vague underpants-gnome plan with a few Paul Ryan asterisks in the “details to follow” parts.
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA: thanks,. some nice pix there. I like the sunsets and the downtown LA cityscapes.
mark k
Comey is paying back AG Lynch for “Reassigning” 5 FBI agents herself in NYC for messing up/failing the Eric Garner case 24 hrs ago. Thats exactly what this is
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: I may do another hike up in Griffith Park tomorrow, weather(clear) permitting.
Villago Delenda Est
Comey has seriously screwed the pooch this time. He’s facing a massive insurrection from within of lifers pissed that he’s taken a huge shit on the entire organization, and doesn’t seem to realize he’s done so. He’s impugned their professionalism, and they are not happy AT ALL.
Villago Delenda Est
@jl: I’ve said this before…the GOP needs to go the way of the NSDAP and the CPSU…oblivion.
Geoduck
@Villago Delenda Est: I’d like to believe this is the case, but.. do you have any proof of this insurrection?
Villago Delenda Est
Check out Kurt Eichenwald’s twitter feed. The natives are restless.
seaboogie
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Beautiful pics, B.I.G. – including the sky….
seaboogie
@Steeplejack (phone): Musical proffering? Just before I set my posterior on the cushion….?
?BillinGlendaleCA
Per the local news, there was an altercation near the Trump star on the Walk of Fame. I guess there was a homeless woman ‘guarding’ Trump’s star and got into some chest bumping with a heavy set Latino guy(from what I saw, the woman was the aggressor) and she ended up falling down. Several folk in the crowd(there’s always a crowd there it’s near the Kodak theater) tore up the woman’s pro-Trump homemade signs. LAPD’s been getting call(including) 911 calls from all over the country to investigate this.
seaboogie
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Sad/
But honestly, sad. I stopped in at my local Peet’s on the way home and saw the homeless dude I gave my birthday Benjamin from my Dad to – and he was all into it with a couple there. The couple was all “and she LIES, all the time”, and homeless dude was informing them about the Guccifer links. I dunno, maybe zombies really are a thing, much as I ignore that whole genre. Even here in Sonoma, 3 out of 4 customers there were off the rails completely. On my way out, the woman was talking about people “finding it in their hearts to….” and I didn’t hear the rest – and grateful that I didn’t. Sigh….eleven more days, and then maybe the loons will retreat to their lairs to lick their wounds.
opiejeanne
@hovercraft: Poor Chris Hayes; the mean RW girls beat him up and take his milk money every damned time.
I can only watch him when he’s not interviewing a Trump surrogate, so we limit ourselves to Rachel and Lawrence O’Donnell. My husband enjoys Rachel more than I do but O’Donnell has been so righteously angry at Trump and the Republicans for so long now that it’s cathartic to watch the steam come out of his ears. I notice that he doesn’t bother with the Trump surrogates on his show but seeks out the Republicans who despise Trump so much that they’re entertaining. I wouldn’t trust them after this is over, but their comments are amusing for now.
opiejeanne
@Steeplejack (phone): There was a guy on Twitter this afternoon who claimed he was posting from an airplane, in a seat next to an FBI agent who was angry about Comey’s actions and talked about it, then made a phone call and made no attempt to be quiet about what he was saying, all of it discussing Comey and how pissed off he was.
There was something said about the NY office threatening to leak it and Comey reacting to the tension between the two offices, by doing what he did today, supposedly to head off the threatened leak.
It was…. interesting.
karen marie
@Schlemazel: Well put. Thank you. Precisely my fear for a Clinton admin in 2008, which was a factor in my joy at Obama winning the nomination. He was obviously a strong candidate in his own right, so I wasn’t settling. As it turned out, unsurprisingly, Republicans did to Obama what they would have done to a HRC admin from 2008 to 2016, so this go around I have taken the issue out of the equation completely. Republicans aren’t going after Clinton with both barrels loaded because they really think she personally is dishonest/wrong, it is has become their default position. This is in fact why Trump is the perfect Republican.
– Donald Trump to Mark Singer of the New Yorker, 1997
OzarkHillbilly
@Villago Delenda Est: Thanx. Quite illuminating. Ever since I first heard of Comey’s letter, I had been wondering what was really up.
karen marie
@Aleta: Brilliantly said!
karen marie
@opiejeanne: It’s probably less he doesn’t bother with Trump surrogates as they won’t appear on his show because they know they won’t get the Tweety or Hayes treatment.
OzarkHillbilly
“If Comey clarifies this isn’t any big thing, does the election go back to being rigged? Asking for a friend”
-Jennifer Rubin
opiejeanne
@karen marie: Either way, it makes his show watchable, that and his outrage at All Things Trump/GOP lies.
PaulWartenberg2016
Cannot stay calm.
I am panicking only because I live in a state where I know there’s enough idiots who vote Republican out of sheer spite and utter fear.
I won’t be able to sleep well until knowing absolutely certain by 11 PM November 8th that Hillary wins the Presidency and that at least the US Senate flips to Democratic control.
opiejeanne
@PaulWartenberg2016: What state? This nonsense will not affect voters much.
I’m so wound up I haven’t slept yet tonight. It’s nearly 4am here and I’m not going to be fit to live tomorrow.
Joel
public service announcement, folks:
don’t watch cable news. ever. let it die, as it deserves to.
LAC
@Mnemosyne: and from BJ panic posting. You come here to get perspective, not boxed wine induced hysterics.
liberal
@OzarkHillbilly: yeah, it’s a fucked up world when Jennifer Rubin makes sense.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
If you are freaking out just consider the worst possible case; Trump wins.
Do you all think establishment is going to be pleased with a man who they know is an idiot, leading a whipped up mod of buffoons and has enemy list is mile long that includes the establishment itself? Of course not, the establishment wants stability so the very forces that always frustrate us progressives will be turned on Trump with far, far more passion.
The United States is a long running democracy, it survived a truly horrible Civil War, we’re still the sole super power, in other words we are not 1920’s Germany. We are not a traditionally authoritarian state, we are not historically the victim of choice for the Great Powers, we did not have our preferred form of government toppled and a new one imposed on us, we do not have mobs of outraged war vets in the streets fighting each other. Please keep in mind to a 1920s German the “All Highest” Kaiser was the good old days.
Trump is no Hitler, nor is anyone else with him. One must forget the Hollywood nonsense about Hitler and remember Hitler went from a pauper who being an NCO in the army was as good anyone would have expected him to do, to the dictator of a major power and the conqueror of Europe. That is a man with tremendous ability and determination. Trump, on the other hand, major achievement in life is taking a fortune of money and squandering it.
Full Metal Wingnut
@Immanentize: more like, in his basement, dipping his box of donuts into a tub of mayonnaise.
Vhh
@NonyNony: I hope you are right. I might add that internal pressure in FBI could force Comey to resign.
different-church-lady
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Having only recently survived eight years of George W. Bush and the termites he brought in to feast on the woodwork of our democracy, fiscal health, and standing in the world, I’m not so sanguine.
Matt McIrvin
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: We are, however, slavers and genocidaires by history, with a homegrown fascist tradition of our own that was an inspiration for Hitler. It’s a ways back but is never that far below the surface. I’m not convinced it won’t get us in the end.
JR in WV
@hovercraft:
It was daylight, she was in her coffin, lest the sun ignite her into a supernatural fire which cannot be put out.
Matt McIrvin
@liberal: Rubin hates Trump but is already laying the groundwork for total Republican obstruction after the election, basically arguing that Hillary will enter office with an asterisk, owing Republicans like her for their support and obligated not to govern as a liberal.
Steve in the ATL
@Amir Khalid:
FYI this applies in court only. During discovery, lawyers ask lots of questions they don’t know the answer to.