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Members of the team of Russians who secured a June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner also attempted to stage a show trial of anti-Putin campaigner Bill Browder on Capitol Hill.

The trial, which would have come in the form of a congressional hearing, was scheduled for mid-June 2016 by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), a long-standing Russia ally who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe. During the hearing, Rohrabacher had planned to confront Browder with a feature-length pro-Kremlin propaganda movie that viciously attacks him—as well as at least two witnesses linked to the Russian authorities, including lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.

Ultimately, the hearing was canceled when senior Republicans intervened and agreed to allow a hearing on Russia at the full committee level with a Moscow-sympathetic witness, according to multiple congressional aides.

An email reviewed by The Daily Beast shows that before that June 14 hearing, Rohrabacher’s staff received pro-Kremlin briefings against Browder, once Russia’s biggest foreign investor, and his tax attorney Sergei Magnitsky from a lawyer who was working with Veselnitskaya.

The only thing surprising is that Russia chose someone as incompetent as Rohrabacher, who is a first class lunatic:

On Thursday, the space subcommittee of the House Science Committee held a hearing to look into NASA’s forthcoming big-ticket planetary exploration missions. Those missions include a Mars 2020 rover, a Europa flyby mission, and potentially a follow-up lander to the Jovian moon Europa.

The hearing was respectable, with on-point witnesses and mostly incisive questions. That is, until California Republican Dana Rohrabacher had his turn at the microphone. After asking a reasonable, if rambling, question about NASA’s plans for a Mars sample return mission and the kind of fuel used by spacecraft, Rohrabacher got down to business.

He asked, “You have indicated that Mars was totally different thousands of years ago. Is it possible that there was a civilization on Mars thousands of years ago?”

The job of answering this question fell to Kenneth Farley, a project scientist on the Mars 2020 rover mission and a professor of geochemistry at California Institute of Technology. He calmly answered, “So the evidence is that Mars was different billions of years ago. Not thousands of years ago.”

“Well, yes,” Rohrabacher says. As if duh, of course he knew that.

“And, umm, there would be, there’s no evidence that, uhh, I’m aware of,” Farley continued, gamely trying to answer the question.

We are so fucked.

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  1. 1.

    LAO

    In fairness to the Russians — Rohrabacher seems a fairly middle of the road, average member of the Republican house caucus.

  2. 2.

    jl

    Biden is damn well old enough to have gotten the time machine Obama uses from the Mars creatures, and so they had/have HRC’s missing 30,000 emails. Fits.Obvious. NASA Deep State cover up.

  3. 3.

    celticdragonchick

    The Cal Tech geologist was far more polite in his answer than i would have been….

  4. 4.

    germy

    Is this mars business Rohrabacher’s attempt to “get to the bottom” of the magic alex story about slave camps on the red plant?

  5. 5.

    WTF

    Mars would be a good place for all of them. The Red Planet. The Reds, and the Red Staters. I suppose it could be called a “civilization.”

    It is odd how the “Red scare” had no refills.

  7. 7.

    jl

    @LAO: You go to collusion with the loons you have, not the loons you’d like to have. Lemons, lemonade, all that stuff, etc.

  8. 8.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    Farley should have just laughed loudly, in Rohrabacher’s (R-Центральный федеральный округ) stupid face. That’s the only response warrented for such a stupid question from someone on the House SPACE subcommittee

  11. 11.

    WTF

    Farley should have just laughed loudly, in Rohrabacher’s (R-Центральный федеральный округ) stupid face.

    Contempt of Congress.
    Some woman was arrested by Cap cops for laughing at Sessions in a hallway.
    Judge tossed it out.

  13. 13.

    Doug R

    @germy: Someone should tell him Supergirl is not a documentary.
    Or Princess of Mars. Or John Carter of Mars.

  14. 14.

    LAO

    @TenguPhule:

    I wouldn’t say that — Trump has withdrawn American support for anti-Assad forces in Syria, something Russia has pushed for.

  17. 17.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @WTF: Still would have been worth it. Contempt of Congress is a badge of honor with this bunch in charge

  18. 18.

    Felonius Monk

    I think Kevin McCarthy was correct:

    Ryan can be heard asking if the Russians hacked the DNC, and McCarthy says it was hacked to obtain the Trump opposition research file, and the House speaker asks who was then sent that stolen data.

    That’s when McCarthy, a California Republican, suggests Putin was secretly controlling Trump and Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) — who once was warned by the FBI that he was targeted for recruitment by Russian spies.

    “There’s two people, I think, Putin pays — Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy says, as other Republican lawmakers laugh. “Swear to God.”

    Then Ryan reminds his fellow Republicans the conversation was off the record, and they can be heard laughing again.

    (Source)

    ETA: Oops. Everyone else beat me to it.

  19. 19.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    I hope Mueller has a guy on this loon.

    Was there any meaningful takeaway from today’s happy little lunch at the White House?

  22. 22.

    WTF

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Ridicule, parody and satire usually does the trick.
    Not with this bunch. Think it was Adlai Stevenson who said all wars are civil wars.
    We are in a civil war and the Russians just attacked us. 76% of Americans are worried that we will be involved in a shooting war in the next 4 years. We already are. A couple of them.

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    I remembe,r back in better times, when Secretary of Energy Steven Chu was testifying to Congress about something and one of the GOP idiots (doesn’t narrow it down much I know) asked an absurd question about (I think) oil reserves and Chu had this pained expression on his face. The Congressman boasted that he “stumped the Nobel Prize winner”, but I happened to know one of Chu’s former grad students and he told me that it was Chu’s “someone has just asked me a really stupid question, and much as I’d like to, I can’t say out loud just how stupid the question was” face (grad students get that expression from their advisor on a regular basis…).

  25. 25.

    MattF

    So, suburban Orange county, apparently. Wikipedia says he’s been in office since 1989, he won his election in 2016 with 58%– which was down a few percent from 2014. Campagn slogan was “I’m as stupid as ever.”

  26. 26.

    Thoroughly Pizzled

    @Felonius Monk: Imagine if our messaging was as focused as the Republicans’, and if we had our own propaganda network. “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump” would be as inescapable as “If you like your health care plan you can keep it.”

  27. 27.

    JCJ

    @jl:

    good thinking – Sort of like the Who’s that lived in that dust speck in Horton Hears a Who.

    Boil that Dust Speck!

  31. 31.

    AdamC

    You don’t actually got to look very hard, but the universe is actually falling down.

    In whose hand are we anyway?

  34. 34.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @LAO:
    Yeah, Putin’s purchase of Trump has been a wild success. US government paralyzed with chaos? Done. The US’s position in the international community sabotaged? Done. Free rein to do whatever he feels like in the Middle East? Done. Doubt cast on the validity of the US’s basic democratic systems? Done.

    What’s interesting to me is, he doesn’t seem to be gaining much from those goals. NATO is still resolutely anti-Russia. Since Trump’s election, the international right wing wave has steadily drained. Owning the clusterfuck in Syria isn’t making it any less a clusterfuck. We had one single report of someone trying to go around Trump to Putin, and that doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere. The world is not looking to him for leadership or opening up to Russia on trade. They’re going ahead with the kinds of things the US used to want, and the realignments that are happening happen with China.

    I wish I knew how the progress of Russia’s internal collapse was proceeding.

  35. 35.

    sherparick

    Rohrabacher got started in the Right Wing Wurlitzer working as speech writer for Ronald Reagan. Before that, he managed to avoid fighting for liberty and against communism with a student deferments from 1965 to 1971 with first a bachelor and then an Master of Arts in American studies. While in college, he joined the libertarian cult, and from that ended up as speechwriter for Ronald Reagan.

    These people are all insane and have been since the beginning. All you to do is consider Ronald Reagan’s speech for Goldwater in October 1964. Remember, this is October 1964, before the Vietnam War had become an “American War.” And from 1933 to 1964 the country had had 24 years of Democratic, New Deal/FairDeal/New Frontier liberalism and 8 years of moderate Republicanism under Eisenhower that conservative and expanded the New Deal. And the country had gone from the depths of the Great Depression in March of 1933 and then WWII to experienced the greatest and broadest level of prosperity in human history. Japan and Western Europe still had living standards half that of the U.S. in 1964. Yet Reagan describes this 32 years of unprecedented economic and social progress as “an abject failure” that was leading the U.S. into a totalitarian hell.

    ” ..There’s only an up or down—[up] man’s old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.”

    Insane, always insane, but useful to 1 percent since their freedom to make money and to treat their employees and customers as they will, is always advanced by this insanity.

  36. 36.

    jl

    @JCJ: Super intelligent civilized microbes on Mars provided the Obama gang technology that could shrink the missing HRC emails down to nano-email size! That’s why no one has ever found them.

    I think Dana is on to something. And, the NASA guy is an obvious lib.

  38. 38.

    gvg

    sigh…a private person can tell the congressman he’s a loon. A guy representing a whole scientific industry funded by our loons, I mean government, has a responsibility to not get a whole industry defunded with everyone losing their jobs. Can’t be self indulgent. Actually I wish it was reciprocal, and most of our elected representatives tried to look out for us…I remember how annoyed I was with Cheney as VP making stupid insulting jokes about our allies the French. Now of course it’s much worse, so I just try not to notice.

  40. 40.

    dmsilev

    @schrodingers_cat: In the late fall going into the winter, there were organized efforts to download as much public data as possible from the EPA etc. before Trump and his crew of wreckers could get at it. It’s really depressing.

  42. 42.

    WTF

    Cleek’s Law, which I learned about here the other day, is the sole motivating principle at play here. If we didn’t exist, they’d have to invent us.I honestly have difficulty giving a damn when some chump like Scalise gets shot. Nevermind all the violence and killing directed at us over the last 50 years. I think about the thousands that will die without access to healthcare, and frankly, I think that is a feature, not a bug. So much for the loyal opposition.

  43. 43.

    schrodingers_cat

    @dmsilev: I am working with some high school students this summer and one of the things they are looking at is climate change.
    I was just looking at EPA’s site last night and it says that its under construction to reflect the priorities of Pruitt and T.

  45. 45.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:
    Unfortunately, it’s hard to message consistently when you actually care about policy (which is open to so much debate). More importantly, not only do we not have a network, the entire national media system is unanimous in ignoring or misrepresenting our messages. See: Why didn’t Hillary talk about policy.

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Come on, man(woman/child/robot/plant/other). I haven’t seen Cole swallow GG’s lies or defend the ratfucker in years.

  47. 47.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    That’s pretty much my take as well. Putin may be destabilizing the US, but the rest of the world is fully aware of his bullshit and agenda. They know what to watch out for now that it’s happened to the US. And much of the US establishment and population knows to an extent about what’s really going on. Putin really doesn’t understand American psychology well enough to know that with every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We’ll come out this eventually. Russia won’t be so lucky. My only fear is that Putin over reaches and starts WW3 in Eastern Europe or somewhere else. Putin is a gangster with nukes.

  53. 53.

    Mnemosyne

    I’m old enough to remember a weird theory by fundie Christians in the 1970s that the Garden of Eden was located on Mars and that Adam and Eve were transported to Earth when God destroyed the Garden.

    I will bet dollars to donuts that this is what Rohrabacher is referencing. He thinks that proof that the Bible is literally true is on Mars.

  54. 54.

    germy

    “From Moscow To Mars” sounds like it could be the title of one of the later Three Stooges Films; something starring Moe, Larry and “Curly Joe”.

    “…one must bear constantly in mind the fact that there are two separate and distinct parties, the Republicans and the Democrats. The trick comes in telling which is which. As a general rule, the Republicans are more blonde than Democrats.”
    —Robert C. Benchley

  56. 56.

    TenguPhule

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I wonder where Snowden fits in this puzzle.

    A dirty fucking traitor, that’s where.

    Him and GG are long overdue for a visit from the CIA janitors.

  66. 66.

    jl

    @Mnemosyne: God didn’t destroy the Garden of Eden. He placed a guard at the entrance through which He drove Adam and Eve out into the east.

    That would explain why so many early mars missions disappeared. The holy guard shot them down. But then libs took over, and sneaked sinful earthly stuff past the guard, and the world was turned upside down. The Obama presidency was a punishment from God for libs trying to sneak back into the Garden of Eden.

    Damn, all this right wing nutjub stuff is starting to make since. Should I go to work for Bannon or Alex Jones? Which company treats their staff better?

  67. 67.

    Rasputin's Evil Twin

    @WTF: “Contempt of Congress” was once a serious offense, long before it became the norm for the country. Really.

  69. 69.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Major Major Major Major: I meant “header” but autocorrected. The submissions page never worked for me, so I wrote them in comments on an open thread by Alain.

  70. 70.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Greenwald had a great schtick. Use half-truths to feed fake outrages to people who are naturally inclined to be outraged. Use his attacking someone we all hated on real problems as a jumping off point to make himself seem liberal. Given recent developments, I’m entertaining the idea that GG was a deliberate ratfucking operation by Putin all along, but as a libertarian, GG wouldn’t need encouragement. Either way, sow dissension within. Same reason trolls like NR show up here when we applaud Democrats doing something great to derail the conversation into debates on whether Democrats did something awful.

  72. 72.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Same reason trolls like NR show up here when we applaud Democrats doing something great to derail the conversation into debates on whether Democrats did something awful.

    It all depends on the arguments and context. Dems are by no means perfect, but NR just comes here to complain and always ignores questions about what they personally intend to change the situation

  76. 76.

    dmsilev

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s it, thanks!

    It’s hard to say which cabinet department had the biggest swing in Secretary quality, but Energy, which went from a pair of distinguished scientists to Rick ‘has trouble counting past two’ Perry, is surely a contender.

  77. 77.

    TenguPhule

    @dmsilev:

    It’s hard to say which cabinet department had the biggest swing in Secretary quality, but Energy, which went from a pair of distinguished scientists to Rick ‘has trouble counting past two’ Perry, is surely a contender.

    Its a contest between Sessions and the Fucker at the EPA.

    Winner and loser both need to be cut short a head.

  78. 78.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
    Sure, and ratfuckera use our desire to be reasonable about that as a weapon against us. That’s a handicap we have to accept, because we should be reasonable people. There are a few commenters who spend 90% of their posts derailing conversations that were motivating us. It’s the most reliable form of trolling I’ve seen.

  80. 80.

    VeniceRiley

    What my Putin and Koch congressman was trying to do here is trap NASA into an AHA! on climate change. Slide in to 1,000 years and have them admit to that inadvertently while denying civilization on Mars gets him to “Aha! So no civ but Mars had climate change anyway!!!” What a fwit. Good for NASA guy for stomping on it.

    he’s my congressman, so, I can tell you this is how his non-responsive entitled self operates.
    We are >thisclose< to getting him out.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    Let’s play “can you spot the problem with this phrase?”

    …a long-standing Russia ally who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe.

    WTF?

    edit: penetration at all levels.

  84. 84.

    WaterGirl

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: You need to add the attribution to that, which is what makes it so appalling. And don’t forget the chuckle or laugh at the end, because this is all so funny.

  90. 90.

    zhena gogolia

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Me too. I watched Russia throw away its chance at democracy in real time, but they had a few excuses, like war/revolution/civilwar/terror/oppression for a century or so. What’s our excuse?

  91. 91.

    TenguPhule

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Has any other country thrown away their preeminent position willingly like this? I am hard put to find a historical parallel.

    China, back when they had dynasties.

  92. 92.

    FlipYrWhig

    @AdamC:

    You don’t actually got to look very hard, but the universe is actually falling down.

    In whose hand are we anyway?

    Pure as pure as heaven

  100. 100.

    Chris

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Since Trump’s election, the international right wing wave has steadily drained.

    I wonder how much of this is due solely to Trump’s election. I could see it being quite a bit.

  101. 101.

    jonas

    OT, sort of, but something that should be getting more play in our media is Poland’s slow backslide towards authoritarianism. A new bill working its way through the parliament would essentially do away with an independent judiciary. The EU is threatening to suspend Poland. It’s a major diplomatic crisis brewing.

    Also, Turkey and Germany are a hair’s-breadth away from practically breaking off diplomatic relations after Turkey arrested a German human rights activist there in its ongoing purge of suspected coup supporters.

    And Hungary is essentially being run by an illiberal petty tyrant who is working feverishly to shut down the Central European University, a highly-regarded, English-language university in Budapest endowed by George Soros. Naturally as a source of non-nationalistic, non-fascist-fluffing scholarship with connections to a wealthy (*gasp*) Jew, it has to go.

  102. 102.

    Yutsano

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s not quite the same, but the governmental structure of the Mongol Empire caused their expansion to just stop after Jenghis died. The expansion never had the same momentum after that.

  103. 103.

    Chris

    @sherparick:

    The ideology is similar to what communism eventually ended up as: a worldview obsessed with hammering square pegs into round holes, obstinately refusing to notice that it wasn’t working, completely indifferent to the human cost of what they were doing, and more and more angry at the world for refusing to conform to their preconceived ideas.

  104. 104.

    Chris

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    The rest of the world may be aware of Putin’s bullshit and agenda, but they’re also aware of how much of the U.S. political class has decided to either hop onto his bandwagon or cover for those who have. It’s still very much an open question as to whether or not this ultimately pays off for Putin, but so far I wouldn’t say it’s money badly spent.

  105. 105.

    TenguPhule

    @Chris:

    It’s still very much an open question as to whether or not this ultimately pays off for Putin, but so far I wouldn’t say it’s money badly spent.

    If the dollar blows up as the reserve standard, every person and country on Earth is in serious trouble.

    I don’t think Putin thought this through far enough.

  107. 107.

    cmorenc

    He asked, “You have indicated that Mars was totally different thousands of years ago. Is it possible that there was a civilization on Mars thousands of years ago?”

    Had the question instead been: “is it possible that life, including possibly even intelligent life forms, existed at an earlier time when Mars was much different than now?” It would have been a perfectly reasonable question.. It’s the zingers “thousands of years ago” and “civilization” that demonstrate that Rohrabacher’s knowledge of Mars comes from passing exposure to shallow pulp science-fiction and/or very superficial pop-press articles of dubious scientific soundness, which originated over a century ago with Percival Lowell, founder of Lowell Observatory. Lowell mistakenly believed the dark streaks he telescopically saw on the surface of Mars were canals built by a dying civilization trying to port water from Mars’s polar regions to its inhabited regions.

    Also, the epoch when life might have potentially been on Mars was at least two to three billion years ago, not millions or thousands.

  108. 108.

    JPL

    Where’s Mayhew..
    CBO on the straight Obamacare repeal:
    —17 million more uninsured by 2018
    —27 million by 2020
    —32 million by 2026
    Premiums would about double by 2026

    — 3/4 of population would have NO insurer participating in individual market

  111. 111.

    chris

    @schrodingers_cat: I keep thinking about that. A number of countries have fragmented fairly recently, Czechia and Slovakia for instance, but that doesn’t quite work except for the civil war prophets. At some point I expect someone to blurt out the endgame but until then…

  112. 112.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @schrodingers_cat:
    There are plenty of parallels. The Roman Emperor abandoning the Western half of his empire and Rome itself could be seen as one. My favorite is that one of the big African empires visited Europe, and the Europeans were stunned by how rich that nation was. Then the king died, his son closed the borders, and Europe forgot Africa had major kingdoms at all.

  113. 113.

    Mike in DC

    So, no more support for the syrian rebels. So this is, what, the 5th or 6th time the US government has fucked over the Kurds? And while theyre actually fighting to take Raqqa from ISIL. FFS. JFC etc.

  114. 114.

    Chris

    @TenguPhule:

    I could see him actually wanting that, in a teabagger-esque “well, we’ve fucked up our lives well and good here, so let’s make sure everybody else’s lives suck too.”

  116. 116.

    trollhattan

    Oh goody.

    The Justice Department is expected to drop a requirement that Harley-Davidson Inc. pay $3 million to mitigate air pollution, a key component of a 2016 settlement between the motorcycle maker and the Obama administration, Reuters reports.

    Harley-Davidson Inc. last year agreed to pay a $12 million fine and spend $3 million on air pollution reduction efforts to settle Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) claims that it sold 340,000 vehicles that emitted more pollution than federal standards allow. As part of the settlement, the company also agreed to work with the American Lung Association to replace world-burning appliances in the Northeast.

    But a federal court never signed off on the agreement. Reuters reports that the Justice Department could announce its decision to reverse the $3 million mitigation agreement as early as this week and refile a new consent decree without it. Such a reversal would be the first time the Trump administration has gone back on an Obama administration emissions settlement.

    Not the last, I’ll wager. BTW, “world-burning appliances” is one of the better Freudian slips I’ve read.

  119. 119.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Chris: It won’t pay off for Russia, that’s for sure. Putin’s actions are only alienating many other economically powerful nations. They’ll be isolated and so will the US as long as we have leaders that will go along with what Russia wants, to our own peril. The “political class” are only small number of people. Powerful, but small. There are more of us than there are of them. We can win this. We have to. The fate of a free and clean world rely on us

  120. 120.

    Chris

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    “The political class” is small, but much of the population behind them will happily jump into an alliance with Russia (their ability to take things they’d never considered and might even previously have disliked and suddenly make them the new hill to die on is legendary, see also global warming). Tie white nationalism to an alliance with Russia, as they’re doing right now, and you could easily have a major problem in terms of upholding anti-Russian defensive alliances.

  122. 122.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @sherparick: My hatred for the shitty grade Z movie star is only exceeded by my hatred of the deserting coward and the cheeto-faced shitgibbon.

    Three of the worst presidents in American history.

  123. 123.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Chris:
    I see your point, I just don’t think the majority of Americans will stand for it, and the more the GOP tries to put their thumbs on the scales the more problems they’re going to have governing

  124. 124.

    Jeffro

    Kris Kobach on whether or not Hillary Clinton won the popular vote: “We may never know”. Say WHAT?!?

    What an irredeemable asshole.

  127. 127.

    d58826

    @JPL: You have to wonder what kind of depraved psychopaths would even consider voting for a piece of legislation that would do this.

  130. 130.

    Cheryl Rofer

    The evening newsdump begins.

    Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016.

  131. 131.

    The Pale Scot

    Watching all this, It seems that the only one left standing is going to be Ivanka.

    She’s is waiting on the sidelines, avoiding prosecutable actions, waiting for Benito to drop dead of rage, Set up her Bros and Jared to cop to felonies and be barred from heading a corp.

    For while it’s been bugging me that she reminds me of someone. It just came to me, She’s Stahma Tarr from the TV show Defiance to the T. (She hasn’t killed anyone yet, but I’m going to enjoy watching her sell her husband down the river).

    The town lawman tells Stahma that she is far more dangerous than her crime lord husband. To which she responds, “you’re so sweet”
    Great line, great characters.
    Jaime Murray and Tony Curran constantly chew up the scenery

  136. 136.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mike J:

    We’re not allowed to even think ill of someone so closely connected to St. Sanders the Incorruptible. Obviously, Devine must be squeaky clean because of his connection to that campaign. It has been written, and so it shall be done.

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