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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Open Thread: Michelle and Ellen Go To Costco

Open Thread: Michelle and Ellen Go To Costco

by TaMara|  November 15, 20187:48 pm| 136 Comments

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Without a doubt, my favorite Costco run of all time. I love you, @MichelleObama. #IAmBecoming pic.twitter.com/TOY77yLGgP

— Ellen DeGeneres (@TheEllenShow) November 15, 2018

Watch the entire interview here:  Michelle on Ellen 

She talks about escaping the White House to see it lit up after marriage equality, her boyfriend, Ronnell (“that’s the black Ronald”) and Malia going to prom. It’s a joy to watch them have fun together.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    “When they go low, we get high!”

  2. 2.

    WaterGirl

    November 15, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    @Baud: That was a great line. I love seeing the two of them interact.

  3. 3.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    Yes…I’m enjoying watching every bit of this book tour.

    The video the Ellen show put together of Michelle’s impact is a good one too.

    A Look Back at Former First Lady Michelle Obama’s Impact on America https://youtu.be/lDxC1DBWqkc via @YouTube

  4. 4.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    @Baud: They went really low, I shop at that Costco. I was there Tuesday evening, no Ellen or Ms. Obama. (sobs)

  5. 5.

    Rommie

    November 15, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    Gotta love the Saudi POV on their official report of the Istanbul incident – they were just there to kidnap Khashoggi, and someone decided, what the heck, lets murder him. North Korea can write more plausible fiction, guys.

  6. 6.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    That means I was within 3 miles of Mrs. Obama whether I was at work or at home. Sigh.

    And the CVS they went to on their last excursion (in 2016) is the one that’s three blocks from our apartment.

  7. 7.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 15, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    Can we have normal human beings in the White House again, plz?

  8. 8.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    I went to Costco today but no Michelle or Ellen. Boo….

  9. 9.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Seems like they’re stalking you.

  10. 10.

    TaMara (HFG)

    November 15, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Her Barack impression. Killed me.

  11. 11.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    Gawd love Black twitter.

    After that douche posted the pic of AOC talking about what she was wearing or some shit…Black twitter folks are now posting pics of silly shit with the caption from his original tweet:

    One of my favs:

    @IWriteAllDay_
    Hill staffer sent me this pic of Ocasio-Cortez they took just now. I’ll tell you something: that jacket and coat don’t look like a girl who struggles. pic.twitter.com/fcwj17zGci

    https://twitter.com/IWriteAllDay_/status/1063206452439867392

  12. 12.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @Yarrow: You probably went to the wrong Costco.

  13. 13.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    @lamh36: Cole retweeted that one.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    November 15, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Thanks for the heads up below. I miss her.

  15. 15.

    JPL

    November 15, 2018 at 8:09 pm

    @lamh36: since efg is not around, let me say fuckem in his honor.

  16. 16.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    @lamh36:

    Wait…ya’ll…dude deleted the tweet bout what AOC was wearing today…and now talking bout he meant she was “elegant”..

    bruh…

    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/1063237893517381634

  17. 17.

    TaMara (HFG)

    November 15, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    @lamh36: I swear I did not realize you were posting all the links in the other thread. We just think alike. :-)

  18. 18.

    Mary G

    November 15, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    @lamh36: His new tweet is getting ratios as bad as the first one, and his book reviews on Amazon have taken a sudden turn.

  19. 19.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    @Mary G:

    He was trying to roast people back but … it did not go well for him. ?

  20. 20.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    the videos are so great.

    Michelle Obama Tried to Escape the White House to Celebrate the Legalization of Gay Marriage https://www.ellentube.com/video/michelle-obama-tried-to-escape-the-white-house-to-celebrate-the-legalization-of-gay-marriage.html

  21. 21.

    Chip Daniels

    November 15, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    So long as I live, I will never understand how America went from the very best President and First Lady to the very worst.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    @Chip Daniels:

    Bigotry, hubris, and a lot of free riding.

  23. 23.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    @Chip Daniels:

    Looking Forward, not looking back.

  24. 24.

    MomSense

    November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    We don’t even have a Costco in our state.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    November 15, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    @Chip Daniels: Yeah, seeing the video Ellen put together about Michelle’s impact was a sharp contrast to the stupid Be Best sign that looks like it was hand-drawn and colored in with markers. I think the Be Best sign itself is all that has been done.

    It’s a travesty that the white trash is in the white house and they brought all their trashy friends. But worse than that, the president is someone who would think about turning over a 20-year US resident to placate a dictator in an effort to get said dictator to stop causing a ruckus about the journalist was butchered on orders from his good buddy MBS.

    If that goes through, I don’t know what I’ll do. That cannot stand.

  26. 26.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Then where do you get your 55 gallon drums of mayo and winter tires?

  27. 27.

    Mary G

    November 15, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    @MomSense: Whut? Even Cole can get to a Costco, can’t he?

  28. 28.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I went to the right Costco for me! Ellen and Michelle must have gone to the wrong Costco.

  29. 29.

    Ladyraxterinok

    November 15, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    @Chip Daniels: Just after election but before inauguration I read a RW woman comment about how with the new ‘1st lady’ we’d ‘finally have a first lady in the WH with some class’

  30. 30.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Oooh…I forgot, but Oprah’s special interview with Michelle Obama premieres on OWN tonight, and will of course be re-broadcast again.

    It’s on right now.

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    @Jay:

    Yes, it’s all Barack Obama’s own fault that white Americans are hopelessly racist. ?

    Or did you not realize that “look forward, not back” was a slam specifically against Obama?

  32. 32.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 8:33 pm

    LOL.

    Spox for Mueller declines to comment on the president's claim that they have been "screaming and shouting"— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) November 15, 2018

  33. 33.

    JPL

    November 15, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    @lamh36: The entire interview was great, and I thought the story about her escaping from the White House with Malia was pretty special. My favorite was the recap though. It reminded us of her great accomplishments. I don’t know if you saw the Today show interview with Jenna Bush, but Jenna Bush got teary eyed.

  34. 34.

    sdhays

    November 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    @Yarrow: The part about him saying that they’re “screaming and shouting” as he himself is screaming and shouting at the Twitter machine (and furniture, if reports are to be believed) just made me laugh. You can’t get much more pure distilled projection than that. I can’t believe anyone, even the truest of true believers actually believed that one.

  35. 35.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    CA-39: Kim’s lead over Cisneros is down to 48 votes.

  36. 36.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    @Yarrow: I went to the right Costco, just the wrong time.

  37. 37.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    Ah…this OWN interview with Michelle Obama is soo good. I have the book, and I can’t wait to read it. I have a term paper and final exam to study for, so I don’t want to start the book and get so engrossed that I don’t do my school stuf!

  38. 38.

    HinTN

    November 15, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yowsuh

  39. 39.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): LOL…I’ve been posting about Michelle Obama’s book tour since the beginning in whichever open thread I can…lol.

  40. 40.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    You don’t understand! If only we’d have prosecuted Bush and Cheney and had the case thrown out by the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision that declared torture constitutional and gave Republican presidents free rein to do whatever they want, every Republican would be smart enough to ignore the rising tide of frothing racism in the Republican voting base, especially Donald Trump, and no one would ever dare cater to them in case it was illegal!!!

  41. 41.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @HinTN: Good chances for another flip.

  42. 42.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I once voted in a highly contested election and my candidate won by something like 16 or 17 points. You really feel like your vote is important when it’s that close.

  43. 43.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    @sdhays: It really is. He’s kind of the perfect example of projection.

  44. 44.

    debbie

    November 15, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    @Yarrow:

    The way I read the tweet, there were two different “they”s: Mueller et al. and the harpies shouting at Conservatives Who Dine.

  45. 45.

    Mary G

    November 15, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    @lamh36: I don’t usually buy books I know the library will have eventually and was kind of bummed I’d have to be on the waiting list for months, but I found that I pre-ordered it the day it was announced and it is in my Audible library right now. So happy!

  46. 46.

    lamh36

    November 15, 2018 at 8:51 pm

    Do yourselves a favor…and find a way to watch the re-broadcast of the interview of Michelle Obama about “Becoming” on OWN.

    If you don’t plan to get and read the book…it’s def worth it.

  47. 47.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Stone didn’t get his rep in the 2016 elections.

    There’s a reason y’all keep seeing the same ratfuckers and their protege’s time and time again and fouler and fouler lesser demons across the isle.

    There’s only a few times that any Democrat President had the “mandate” enough, and a window of opportunity to rip the rot out.

    If you take the Senate and WhiteHouse in 2020, you might want to remember that.

    The lists keep getting longer and longer now.

  48. 48.

    Sab

    November 15, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    @lamh36: Don’t start it until you have time. 400 plus pages and I couldn’t put it down.

  49. 49.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I mean, I know it was a crappy decision that was made to protect conservative but powerful Democrats who had been dumb enough to go along with the Iraq War, but it wasn’t exactly Obama’s call.

    Interesting tidbit I just found out: Jane Harman, who was one of the Democrats who was being shielded from her bad decisions, was in line to head the House Intelligence Committee after the Democrats kept the House in 2008. She was denied that position by … Nancy Pelosi.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @Jay:

    There’s a reason y’all keep seeing the same ratfuckers and their protege’s time and time again and fouler and fouler lesser demons across the isle.

    That reason is racial panic.

  51. 51.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 15, 2018 at 8:57 pm

    Thanks so much for linking to the show, TaMara. I watched all the clips with delight.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 8:59 pm

    @Jay:

    Stone didn’t get his rep in the 2016 elections.

    Oh, so you did mean to blame Obama for the actions of the white Democrats in Congress who were too cowardly to investigate their own and made him be the fall guy for their decision.

    You really, really do not understand the nuances of American politics.

  53. 53.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 8:59 pm

    @Baud:
    For everyone who went to jail for Nixon, ten new assholes lined up to break the law next time.

  54. 54.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    @Baud: I thought it was Economic Anxiety.

  55. 55.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    @Baud:

    Doesn’t explain The Book of Faces, Twitter, Gab, Wells Fargo, Academi, Bechtel, etc.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: If you want to do awful things like keeping brown people down, you need awful people to do those things.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    @Jay: You forgot Balloon Juice.

  58. 58.

    ruemara

    November 15, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    @Chip Daniels: Really, really angry white people for whom the concept that even the best black person is less competent than the worst white person became an actual selling point.

    @Mnemosyne: Girl. That has to sting. Next time, you’ll run into her.

    So, final update from the gofundme fundraiser thingy will go out this weekend. What recipe would you guys like? One of the holiday cookies? Chipotle dark chocolate with dried raspberries? White chocolate ginger? or tonight’s beer & cauliflower soup?

  59. 59.

    schrodingers_cat

    November 15, 2018 at 9:08 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Are you near any of the big fires? We can has our first snow tonight.

  60. 60.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: It will be again after 2020.

  61. 61.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    @Baud:
    Yes. I agree that prosecuting lawbreakers is usually a good thing. Bush and Cheney were one of those unusual times when it would be more likely to create a disastrous legal precedent. But even if they went to jail, it would not have stopped any of this. There is always a rich crop of ‘But they won’t catch me’ and it’s richer when the political leaders know their base have gone batshit insane and will fight for their right to do absolutely anything, no matter how vile.

  62. 62.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    That’s because of how much time in jail they spent, which jails they wound up in, and how their careers took off afterwards.

    If America treated White Collar crime like a black kid playing with a clearly marked toy pistol in a park,…….

    Or a Black Female State Senator in Georgia Senatoring while Black,…….

  63. 63.

    jl

    November 15, 2018 at 9:11 pm

    So, to up the happy time, looks like Pelosi made a successful deal with progressives, and that makes some moves I think are needed. So, if it sticks, we need to get the skeerded moderates and center-right curious Democratic Congresscritters on board. Maybe we should have a campaign to call and write to try to explain to them that if they vote against Pelosi, the scary GOP smears won’t go away, they’ll just come from a different direction. Or the GOP will figure out some media friendly clickbait hook to bash them because the voted against Pelosi.

    @benwikler
    This is huge. Nancy Pelosi has committed to put Progressive Caucus members—including newly elected progressive champs—on the most powerful committees in the House. Proud @MoveOn is working with @USProgressives and @TeamPelosi to empower a new wave of leaders fighting for change.
    https://twitter.com/benwikler/status/1063235456509321216

  64. 64.

    Platonailedit

    November 15, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    Wrong Costco.
    Wrong time.
    Wrong country.
    Dratz.

  65. 65.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    As Meuller is demonstrating, you don’t start with Bush/Cheney.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    @jl: I’m not sure how much of a change that is from prior practice, but if it makes people feel good, I’m on board.

  67. 67.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    @jl:

    This is huge. Nancy Pelosi has committed to put Progressive Caucus members—including newly elected progressive champs—on the most powerful committees in the House.

    Nancy Pelosi is a dealmaker, extremely liberal herself, and no doubt some of these folks will do a good job and she has recognized that. Why would anyone expect this to not happen?

  68. 68.

    Gelfling 545

    November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    @Yarrow: This has to be driving Trump wild. He keeps trying to get some kind of defensive reaction from Mueller but Mueller just keeps on working. He just refuses to get down in the mud with Trump and Trump can’t cope. That’ll be your screaming and shouting, right there.

  69. 69.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    Traitors.

    The conservative lobbying firm that Facebook hired in the midst of an October 2017 public relations crisis about Russian disinformation included what one former employee tells @NBCNews was an “in-house fake news shop” as part of its operations. https://t.co/UOQODjalrK— NBC News (@NBCNews) November 15, 2018

  70. 70.

    jl

    November 15, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    @Baud: I don’t see a detailed news piece out yet on it, but the tweet links to a statement that suggests that the progressive caucus will get first cut at leadership positions that will move them up more quickly than in the past. Which people might like or not like, but the progressives decided to make a deal with Pelosi, and others didn’t, so… that is life in politics.

  71. 71.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    @Jay:
    For Bush and Cheney, you would have to. Their crimes were very different from Trump’s. Theirs were political acts that were potentially illegal, and the lesser criminals were obeying them. Trump has crimes lined up from his personal life, and is surrounded by people who have their own little crimes on the side, and the collaboration with Russia was not performed as part of their duties. Abuse of power, like Kushner’s selling secrets, would not have come straight from Trump’s orders. The things people want the Bush administration charged for go straight to the top, and that puts them in a very gray legal area. It’s questionable whether Mueller can prosecute Trump himself, but there are a lot of targets around him that are on clear legal ground.

  72. 72.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    As a rule, I don’t put much stock in alternative histories, especially when they involve overly simplified descriptions of complex causal connections.

    I do hope that we can become better law enforcers once we have power again. But it’s not costless, every political priority pushes something else down the list.

  73. 73.

    ruemara

    November 15, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Because everyone who ever held power before 2019 is a corrupt DINO aligned with the military industrial complex and oligarchs and they hate single payer. Except for Bernie.

  74. 74.

    Miss Bianca

    November 15, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    @Jay: Thank you so much! It’s always so gratifying to hear advice from white guys from the Great White North on how best to solve US political problems. Especially since you were, I’m sure, instrumental in helping to completely solve your own country’s racial/political issues. And how you Canadians have managed to completely avoid electing anyone who was an embarrassment to his office! Well, no, you haven’t, but you can hug yourself knowing that your relative insignificance on the world stage is really a blessing in disguise, since it allows you to say, “wow, yeah, we may have fucked up a time or two, but not like YOU guys! You know what YOU guys ought to do is – ”

    No, really, I applaud you. I wait breathlessly for the next pearl of wisdom to drop from your virtual lips.

  75. 75.

    schrodingers_cat

    November 15, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    What happened cudlips, we used to have a better quality of troll before. More amusing.

  76. 76.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I understand it’s hard,

    Wells Fargo loaded up your 401k with toxic waste, so now it’s worthless,

    They robosigned your paid for house out from under you,

    They stole your savings with bogus charges, worthless services and fake “insurance”,

    They destroyed your credit with hidden fees, charges and usury hidden interest rates on your credit cards,

    So why do you still bank there and why did you buy stock, now that they are ripping off shareholders?

    I understand, you don’t grok “Credit Union”.

    That’s some kida socialist thingy, right?

  77. 77.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:24 pm

    @jl: Ok, good. I’m interested in seeing what they do with it.

  78. 78.

    Mai Naem mobile

    November 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: they have Cisneros up by a thousand about an hour ago. What’s the deal with this Valdao/Cox race? The district is rural(Kern/Tulare/King) but is supposed to lean D but Valdao is the R incumbent and winning by 2K votes right now.

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    November 15, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    Stories about (picks one absurdity at random) white slavery meth labs laundering money for Soros in the basement of every Costco on right wing nutsites in 3… 2… 1…

  80. 80.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    @Jay:
    Uh… you’re aware literally none of those things were criminal, right? As horrible as they were? That’s the point of deregulation, to create loopholes where industries can do horrible things but get away with it. Even the robosigning wasn’t criminal, it just didn’t follow legal procedures and there was a potential for clouded titles that the courts decided not to challenge. If you’re not claiming those things should have been prosecuted, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, other than you feel superior to people who recognize there are no easy solutions.

  81. 81.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    they have Cisneros up by a thousand about an hour ago.

    Who’s they? I’m looking at the Secretary of State’s website.

  82. 82.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Nope.

    Remember Halliburton?

    On torture/war crimes, the first hurdle to start taking them down from the bottom up, would be a Court agreeing that torture was torture, murder was murder, and targetting civillians was a War Crime.

    Nobody even asked the DOJ to try.

    Other countries did, which is why Dolt 45 and Darth Cheney don’t travel much.

  83. 83.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    @Jay:
    A decision that would go straight to a Supreme Court with a very, very biased and partisan conservative majority. So, which was worse, letting them go and letting torture remain officially unacceptable, or prosecuting them, and taking the very large chance that torture would be officially declared A-Okay, along with a lot of other stuff? Ugly choice to make, isn’t it? But it’s the one Obama was faced with.

  84. 84.

    zhena gogolia

    November 15, 2018 at 9:32 pm

    @lamh36:

    Cole has one up of Clay Aiken in an amazing technicolor dreamcoat.

  85. 85.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 9:33 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: But…but…Just like single payer, they didn’t even try!

  86. 86.

    TaMara (HFG)

    November 15, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    Seriously, I leave to walk the dogs and you guys just feed the trolls? Not even quality trolls at that. No craft. No style. Sad. ?

  87. 87.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 15, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):
    You are right, of course. I will stop.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    November 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    @NotMax: It all makes sense now….

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Fortunately, I’m pretty far away from the fires near Thousand Oaks (and even further away from the ones up north). We’re getting some of the nastier particles, though, which is playing havoc with my asthma. ? But our area of So Cal is mostly in good shape right now.

    @ruemara:

    I know! It’s like me and LMM — so close, and yet so far.

    I was looking at the map and it looks like you might be near ground zero for smoke right now? Stay inside and work on your projects.

  90. 90.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Jesus said to feed the hungry, the trolls looked hungry.

  91. 91.

    jl

    November 15, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: ‘ Why would anyone expect this to not happen? ‘

    I don’t know, talk with some of the commenters, and media pundits, with their hair on fire the last few days.

  92. 92.

    Corner Stone

    November 15, 2018 at 9:38 pm

    Torture apologists. Still making deals with the Devil.

  93. 93.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    @Jay:

    On torture/war crimes, the first hurdle to start taking them down from the bottom up, would be a Court agreeing that torture was torture, murder was murder, and targetting civillians was a War Crime.

    And the fact that you think that it would have been simple and easy to get a US court to rule that way is more proof that your understanding of our politics is a mile wide and an inch deep.

    But TaMara doesn’t want us to ruin her nice clean thread with more mud wrestling, so I’ll stop now.

  94. 94.

    Starfish

    November 15, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    @lamh36: I really liked this one mocking the commentary on AOC’s clothes.

  95. 95.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 15, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    Looks like former Rep. Dave Dreier’s home in Malibu got burned to the ground.

  96. 96.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Well, recently, we got Reconciliation passed in BC, so for example, Kamloops paused the opening of the Sahali Trail because of the death of an Elder in the T’kumloops Septewimic tribe due to the historic and cultural roots of the trails path, and with out their participation it’s just a fancy sidewalk.

    In BC, we got “big money” out of politics for good and are currently working on getting rid of First Past the Post.

    We met and exceeded our Carbon Goals, the Carbon Tax has really cranked up Green Developments.

    We are opening 1250 long term living shelters for abuse victims and ontrack to create permanent home for 3250 homeless this year.

    But I understand, ‘Murika! Doesn’t need allies, trading partners, advice, suggestions, support or anything like that,…..

    MAGA right?

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    November 15, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    Looks like Twitler is tweeting about the “lovers” (Page and Strzok) again…seriously, GOP, the man is Not Well. What will it take for y’all to cash him out?

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 9:48 pm

    @jl:

    To anyone who pays attention to what Nancy Pelosi actually says and does, this is pretty much the least surprising news ever. She is one of the most liberal members of the House despite what the Russian bots and Sanders dead-enders try to claim. One of the reasons conservative Democrats like Tim Ryan and Seth Moulton want her gone is that she doesn’t give conservative Democrats the plum committee assignments that they want.

    One thing the Republicans keep saying about her is true: Nancy Pelosi is a San Francisco liberal, and she has a liberal agenda. But she’s an old woman, so online brogressives want her gone so white dudes can be in charge again. That’s why they lie about her and her record.

  99. 99.

    feebog

    November 15, 2018 at 9:57 pm

    @ruemara:

    Chocolate and raspberries cookies please. Thx.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    You didn’t even try.

    Italy did. Spain did.

    Instead you erased the video tapes and court marshalled some low hanging fruit on technicalities.

    Like I said, Meuller is showing you the path.

    Nobody even investigated The B Team, Halliburton, Blackwater,….. there’s probably a list of thousands,….. and a cast of thousands.

    Meuller is showing that it’s a long, slow process of pulling threads and rolling over the little fish, to get to the big fish, and sometimes the threads lead to lots of other threads.

    Do you really think that Halliburton’s massive contracts, getting away with massive frauds, and slave labour, had absolutely no connections to Darth Cheney?

    Anyway, it doesn’t matter now does it?

    It’s not like “looking forward, not back” and team of equals stopped the ReThugs long spiral ( 1996) downwards into full metal Nazi.

    You might have another chance after 2020 to do some deep housecleaning, if you do, I suggest you take it.

  101. 101.

    ruemara

    November 15, 2018 at 10:03 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah. I was going to head back out to the gym but my lungs said ENOUGH. I couldn’t walk half a block without shortness of breath. So, there goes that big idea. Burning calories in the kitchen it is.

    @feebog: ok, but these are slightly spicy with the chipotle. Although the test batch I just pulled out is YUM. Do I have a second on the dark chocolate chipotle raspberry cookies?

  102. 102.

    chris

    November 15, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    LOL

    to recap, eddie here entered the ratio hall of fame (20K+ replies to 250 RTs before deleting), used it to promote his book (dragging the average rating down two stars), and capped it off by signal boosting mike I-jerk-off-on-women cernovich dragging him for misogyny. AMAZING. pic.twitter.com/n5tjaEFKME— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) 16 November 2018

  103. 103.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:10 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Yup, allegories are wasted.

    There’s still people who bank with Wells Fargo.

    Some of what they did was not “deregulatory loopholes”, they were crimes. But nobody from Wells Fargo is in jail. Instead they just paid some fines with stolen money and laundered drug money and they are still in business and expanding.

    Like I tried to point out to Mnemosyne, it’s too late to go back, you might have a chance in the future, to rip the rot out.

    Of course, you might not. The US isn’t surviving the Insane Clown POSus 47, it probably won’t survive the Insane Clown POSus/Gym Jordan Administration.

  104. 104.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne: ?????

  105. 105.

    tobie

    November 15, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I’m just catching up on all this. So happy if Pelosi outmaneuvered Moulton and Ryan. Once again she shows she knows her caucus and is a master tactician.

  106. 106.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 15, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    So I’m not mad that it snowed my first night in NYC—I went for a lovely walk in it actually—but I sure wish I could have just walked into a store and picked up some herb, so I could really dig the snowstorm better. Stuck here with industrial-hemp-based CBD oil like a commoner for now.

  107. 107.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    November 15, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    @ruemara: Stay in and take care of yourself! The AQI is over 400 in most of the Sacramento metro area. Crazy shit. Here in San Francisco, purpleair.com says the AQI at the sampling station closest to our house is at 278, and that’s not even the worst in the City – there are some spots well above 300 and rising now. It’s predicted to be worse tomorrow. My eyes are burning, my ears ache, my throat is raw – and I’m indoors.

    I know this is nothing compared to the suffering of those poor folks in the fire areas.

  108. 108.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    November 15, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh my G-d, snow sounds WONDERFUL. You got out just in time.

  109. 109.

    Brickley Paiste

    November 15, 2018 at 10:23 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    #notallamericansarelikethis

  110. 110.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 15, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: yep. Me and like all my gay friends went to a wedding in Hawaii just hours before it got bad. The airlines were practically begging our friends not to fly back. Many of them ordered respirators so they’d be there when they got home. I flew straight to NYC, which was not a fun flight, but at least I can breathe! SF/Sacto has some of the worst air in the whole world right now.

  111. 111.

    J R in WV

    November 15, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    @MomSense:

    We don’t even have a Costco in our state.

    Me too, in WV, not one!

    A crying shame!!!!

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I’m in NYC also, with old friends now out of Colorado, and hear that it is decriminalized here. Thot about asking the doorman at our hotel about procuring a tiny bit for the vacation. But haven’t. Just doing it with Buffalo Trace so far…

    Been here since Tuesday. Saw a fabulous blues show last night, Tinsley Ellis, out of Atlanta, playing in New York’s Highline Ballroom for the first time. He’s a guitar genius.

    Take care here in the big city, Major^4!!

  112. 112.

    Cacti

    November 15, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    To borrow from Rachel Maddow, Are Dems doing the most Democrat thing ever re: Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?

    Chuck sees his minority shrink, gets affirmed as minority leader by unanimous consent.

    Nancy plans and executes the biggest Dem House win in 44-years, so naturally, some insist she has to go.

    No one does the circular firing squad quite like team D.

  113. 113.

    Kay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    @Starfish:

    mocking the commentary on AOC’s clothes.

    And you can’t tell anything about her clothes anyway from those photos they’re stalking her with. A black jacket and a black coat. It’s the most generic clothing in the world. They somehow look extraordinarily expensive? No they don’t.

    They’re just making fools of themselves and it’s creepy how they study photos of her- in addition.

  114. 114.

    Platonailedit

    November 15, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    @Kay: He is a moonies times thug of a creepy stalker.

  115. 115.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 15, 2018 at 10:39 pm

    @J R in WV: decrim != retail. They also still write summonses for public use, theoretically.

    Really I’m just waiting for an invitation to join one of the delivery apps, but it’s like going back in time!

    Crazy that we’re here at the same time…

  116. 116.

    Emma

    November 15, 2018 at 10:40 pm

    @jl: So the uber-progressives will stop whining that Pelosi is not mentoring the next generation?

    Yes, I’m being bloody-minded. It’s been a miserable day and I’m out of intercourse actions to give.

  117. 117.

    Kay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:42 pm

    @Cacti:

    It’s not just that- Pelosi is health care reform. Democrats won on that issue. So they get rid of her? What’s Chuck Schumer’s signature issue, pray tell? What are any of the rest of them known for? Tim Ryan? Um, nothing. He’s known for nothing. Well, more people know he’s a jerk now, so there’s that. Before this no one knew who he was at all.

    You know what Pelosi is? Vindicated. Her main legislative accomplishment won public support.

  118. 118.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 10:44 pm

    @Kay:

    Not to mention, most people wear their best clothes on the first day of work, which is what that orientation day was for her. So, yeah, she was dressed nicely in business attire as was appropriate for the occasion.

  119. 119.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 10:46 pm

    @Emma:

    The “uber-progressives” on Twitter are all Russian bots. They just started getting outcommented by actual people today.

  120. 120.

    Burnspbesq

    November 15, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    What a roller-coaster ride that district is having. Margin was 700 on Tuesday and well into the thousands yesterday.

    Freaking E ticket.

  121. 121.

    Kay

    November 15, 2018 at 10:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    It wasn’t that fancy! It’s practically a uniform. They have no earthly idea what it cost- black jackets and black coats come in every price range. She looks great but she always looks great. It’s not the clothes. Every time I see her she’s wearing like “red business attire dress” or “black jacket, dress and pumps”. These are ordinary things to wear for that job.

    She seems to be immune to their craziness so I’m not worried about her. She almost revels in it, which must be driving them bonkers.

  122. 122.

    Burnspbesq

    November 15, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    @Jay:

    Your sanctimony doesn’t play well here.

  123. 123.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    November 15, 2018 at 10:55 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    Freaking E ticket

    We’re the last generation who will know what that means, apart from “how you get on an airplane” – and that usage is going the way of the dodo, too.

  124. 124.

    ruemara

    November 15, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: Oh, goodness. I don’t even know what an AQI is, but it’s overpowering the nearly normal breathing I’ve had for about 2 decades.

  125. 125.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:

    Back in the summer, when you guys were burning,

    I pointed out that a cheap, ionizing aircleaner, will clear about 750sq ft of air in half an hour. Get the ones ( we use a Honeywell) that has washable filters. Replacement filters are not cheap.

    You can buy a big box of disposable HEPA filters or “Welder’s” filters for outside, pretty cheap. If you have to use the cheap dust masks or a bandanna because everybody is sold out, they work better damp.

    We’ve been living with “forest fire season” from snow melt to snow flies for over a decade,

    It’s worthwhile investing in a proper industrial facemask with replacement cartridge filters if you can. It’s not like Global Warming’s going to stop.

    we pack go bags and recheck exit routes as a rite of spring now.

  126. 126.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    @Burnspbesq:

    Like I care.

  127. 127.

    catclub

    November 15, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    @Rommie:

    and someone decided, what the heck, lets murder him.

    Luckily they had brought the guy with the bone saw, by accident!

  128. 128.

    Mnemosyne

    November 15, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    @Kay:

    They expect her to wear a t-shirt and ripped jeans because that’s what poor people wear, right? The idea that a working-class person without a lot of money can figure out how to dress professionally blows their mind.

  129. 129.

    catclub

    November 15, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    @ruemara:

    I don’t even know what an AQI

    Air Quality Index is my guess. What do I win?

  130. 130.

    Platonailedit

    November 15, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    @Burnspbesq: Unlike the typical amurkan arrogance, which inflicted destructive shrub and the current thug on the entire world?

  131. 131.

    Dan B

    November 15, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    @Starfish: Thanks!
    That thread and MO with Ellen has made for a good evening.

  132. 132.

    Jay

    November 15, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Pre-ripped jeans are way out of my/her price range.

    I think they expected sweats and a hoodie, kinda,

    Except their false narrative is she’s Westchester Rich, so pearls and a tiara.

  133. 133.

    Dan B

    November 15, 2018 at 11:55 pm

    @ruemara: AQI measures the amount of the tiniest particles in the air. These are bad because they go deep in the lungs and can lodge in for weeks or months. They also can get into the bloodstream and pass into organs. They can breach the blood-brain barrier.
    Get the best air filters you can if any are left. If you don’t need them this year (good luck) they’ll probably be useful in the future, unfortunately.

  134. 134.

    Jay

    November 16, 2018 at 12:29 am

    @catclub:
    A foster kitty if you want it?

  135. 135.

    Redshift

    November 16, 2018 at 12:43 am

    @jl: That sounds good to me. There seemed to be general agreement that the Dems needed to get some if their expanded more diverse caucus into leadership positions. The sticking points seemed to be that meant someone was going to lose out, and nobody wanted it to be them, and there was a faction that used that fact to make an incoherent argument to replace the top leadership. (That argument always reminds me of people who try to start a third party with a candidate for president.)

  136. 136.

    Fair Economist

    November 16, 2018 at 2:16 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    So, yeah, she was dressed nicely in business attire as was appropriate for the occasion.

    AOC was in the usual trap so familiar to women, especially in politics. If she’d worn street attire they’d have jumped her for being a slob and not respecting Congress.

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