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You are here: Home / Foreign Affairs / Thursday Morning Open Thread: Some GOOD News

Thursday Morning Open Thread: Some GOOD News

by Anne Laurie|  January 16, 20204:56 am| 69 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, How about that weather?, Open Threads

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Finally it's raining in Australia ??

"Downpours have already helped to extinguish 32 bushfires..number of blazes fell from 120 to 88..It means the end may be in sight for exhausted firefighters who have battled deadly fires for more than 3 months."

pic.twitter.com/crjyvW1GFN

— Akki (@akkitwts) January 16, 2020

As any Californian could tell us, the danger is nowhere near over yet. But it’s a temporary reprieve!

Relief is here for a number of firefighters working across NSW. Although this rain won’t extinguish all fires, it will certainly go a long way towards containment. This footage was captured down at the Good Good Fire burning near Cooma. #nswrfs #nswfires pic.twitter.com/fxV9u2hN6K

— NSW RFS (@NSWRFS) January 16, 2020

Much more detail from the Guardian.

this money goes directly to @NSWRFS, the volunteer first responders dealing with the fires that have already burned more than 215 million acres in australia.

they needs the worlds support and every dollar and retweet helps. ??????https://t.co/RgThYNhlyj

— m i t h (@ManlnTheHoody) January 14, 2020


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  1. 1.

    satby

    January 16, 2020 at 5:10 am

    Best news to wake up to for weeks.

    Edited to add: also this is a good place for donations. World Wildlife Fund Australia bushfire emergency

  2. 2.

    TheMightyTrowel

    January 16, 2020 at 5:21 am

    I was driving home when the rain hit where i live, and a bunch of people around me pulled off the road, got out of their cars and just stood in it. Amazing too see. God I’ve missed rain.

  3. 3.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 16, 2020 at 5:32 am

    This is great but Australians need to elect a Prime Minister who actually believes in climate change. The idiot they have now does not.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    January 16, 2020 at 6:03 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    January 16, 2020 at 6:07 am

    Mother Nature always wins.  She’s like the trump card in every situation.  (small t, not bit T)

    She always gets her way.  It’s very humbling when we are reminded of that.  For me that came when the (invisible) straight line winds broke my 7-foot in diameter tree, which fell on my house, then the rain started, just pouring in through the ceiling.

    It also fell on the transformer, and another tree in my yard caught fire, and with my back yard suddenly littered with chunks of tree everywhere, lying on the ground like kindling just waiting to catch fire. But the fire fighters couldn’t put the fire out on the tree while it was raining, because of the live wires.

    Everything that mattered was totally out of my control.  Powerless.

    People who think they can ignore climate change are going to have a rude awakening when they come up against the immovable force that is Mother Nature.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    January 16, 2020 at 6:17 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  7. 7.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 6:26 am

    @WaterGirl: Mother Nature is a bitch.

  8. 8.

    satby

    January 16, 2020 at 6:36 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning ?

     

    @WaterGirl: we forget Mother Nature and she’ll remind us.

  9. 9.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 6:53 am

    Stormy Daniels’ ex-lawyer Michael Avenatti arrested for alleged bail violations

  10. 10.

    MagdaInBlack

    January 16, 2020 at 7:00 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The man has shady showboat written all over him. I’m not surprised. He did serve a purpose tho.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 7:30 am

    @MagdaInBlack: He is a showboat. I was never impressed with him as a lawyer (a lawyer is supposed to represent their client, not make a target out of them) but I did not think he was a criminal. Even so I am not surprised at the charges because showboating and criminal behavior often go hand in hand*. The shame of it is, I can not dismiss this outright:

    “Avenatti has said he has been unfairly targeted by the US justice department after publicly quarreling with Trump.”

    I think there might very well be more than a little truth to that.

    *One would think that a person engaged in criminal behavior would keep a low profile, it’s the smart thing to do, but too many times I have seen people play these highwire acts of showboating and continuous law breaking. I think they get an adrenaline like rush out of it.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    January 16, 2020 at 7:31 am

    White House statement just released and read on Today Show didn’t appear to expressly deny Parnas’s allegations.

  13. 13.

    Baud

    January 16, 2020 at 7:36 am

    Another day, another fake trade deal treated as serious.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 7:39 am

    US says ‘flash crash’ trader should not face further prison time

    In a recommendation issued on Wednesday, Michael O’Neill, assistant chief of the fraud section of the US Department of Justice, said: “The defendant’s keen insights and explanations regarding both general and specific patterns of deceptive and manipulative trading have illuminated the government’s understanding of similar spoofing. As a result, he has substantially assisted and informed the government’s nationwide efforts to detect, investigate, and prosecute these crimes.

    “Although the defendant’s cooperation with the government is complete, the government has no doubt that he would promptly make himself available to assist the government’s investigative and prosecutorial efforts in the future if asked.”

    O’Neill concluded: “For the foregoing reasons, the government respectfully recommends that this court depart significantly below the advisory sentencing guidelines range. Specifically, the government agrees with the probation officer and the defendant that a sentence of time served would be appropriate.”

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 7:42 am

    @Baud: You got a link? The google shows nothing yet.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    January 16, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It was read on the today show.  I didn’t find it on the web, and I’m not going to the White House web site to find it.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 7:47 am

    @Baud: OK, thanx. Patience is a virtue I need to work on anyway.

  18. 18.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 16, 2020 at 7:54 am

    She should have worn a long red tie.

    Steve Doocy attacks Nancy Pelosi for wearing pink while singing the impeachment articles, because pink isn't a serious enough color for how "somber" and "prayerful" she said the proceedings were. pic.twitter.com/o1lylElmcK— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) January 16, 2020

  19. 19.

    Reboot

    January 16, 2020 at 8:01 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: This seems like a dead thread, but just in case you see it, I wanted to ask: I’ve been wondering if Australian government has an impeachment process, and if so, what would trip it.

  20. 20.

    gene108

    January 16, 2020 at 8:07 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Pink is more insulting than a tan suit

    Trump only wears dark blue suits. This shows he’s serious, and why he’s serious, and taken seriously

    Liberals could learn a lot about professionalism and responsibility from Trump

  21. 21.

    Kathleen

    January 16, 2020 at 8:07 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I hope someone tells Nancy Smash she’s lost Steve Doocy.

  22. 22.

    TS (the original)

    January 16, 2020 at 8:08 am

    @Reboot:

    Not The MightyTrowel but

    The easiest way to remove a Prime Minister is for his party to vote him out.  This would be like the House of Reps removing Nancy Pelosi as leader of the House. The PM is the leader of the majority party in the House of Reps in Australia. There is no such thing as impeachment.

    We had a crisis in 1975 when the then Prime Minister did not have a majority in the Senate & they refused supply (Money). The PM then started investigating other ways to fund government & as things went from bad to worse the Governor General (Queen’s representative) sacked the government & asked the Opposition leader to be a caretaker PM & call an election. Whether this was legal or not is still up for debate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

  23. 23.

    VOR

    January 16, 2020 at 8:08 am

    @Patricia Kayden: The Republicans are also complaining because she used a large number of pens. This is standard stuff which is done at every major bill signing. The pens are given as gifts or souvenirs to key allies. Trump has done this himself.

    Apparently, the multiple pens used for signing the Clinton Articles of Impeachment had a typo, saying “Untied States Senator”.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 8:09 am

    According to data recently made available from the US Federal Reserve, more than half of companies that have black owners were turned down for loans, a rate twice as high as white business owners. The report found that while black-owned firms were the most likely to have applied for bank financing, less than 47% of these applications were fully funded. Even when black business owners get approved, their rate of failure to receive full financing is the highest among all categories by more than 10%.

    The bad news doesn’t end there. The report also found that black-owned firms were the most likely group to have applied for a credit card and experienced the highest turn-down rate. For those that applied for bank financing, a smaller share of black-owned and Hispanic-owned businesses received loans of $100,000 or more as compared to other ethnic groups.

    Absolutely. Galen Gondolfi, a senior loan counselor at a not-for-profit that helps small-business owners build credit, recently told NPR’s St Louis Public Radio: “St Louis’s seemingly provincial lending struggles not only with entrepreneurs that don’t historically ‘look like them’, but [also] the types of businesses that are unique to these populations.”

    But discrimination isn’t the only reason. There are other factors that give bankers pause when considering a loan to a black business owner.

    Dell Gines, a senior community development adviser with the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City believes that the lack of intergenerational wealth and “insufficient knowledge” about the banking system are also significant obstacles. “Let’s say, hypothetically, there’s no discrimination in the banking industry, we would still probably have disparate outcomes because the system itself hasn’t prepared us to utilize the banking system effectively,” said Gines, who is black. “Then, when you layer on the levels of discrimination that research has showed … when you combine those two, that’s why you see these kind of disparate outcomes.”

    In other words, racism in society, both past* and present, combined with racism in the banking industry, ends with racist results. I am sure you are every bit as shocked as I.

    *I love that part about “the lack of intergenerational wealth”. Not only does that put the lie to the whole “meritocracy” BS, but think back to the financial crash of ’07-’08. Which demographics were shown to have time and again been targeted with the shady loan deals that were at the heart of the crash? Which borrowers were then pushed into those types of loans even tho they were more than qualified for safer more secure traditional loans? And which demographics suffered the worse losses of family wealth in the crash?

    It’s a lesson in how “insufficient knowledge” about the banking system insures a lack of “intergenerational wealth” within certain racial demographics. It’s a feature, not a bug.

  25. 25.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @VOR:

    The pens are given as gifts or souvenirs to key allies. Trump has done this himself.

    Huh. I had no idea they made ceremonial sharpies. The things I learn here. If I had known that back in the day I could have been the classiest carpenter on commercial job sites all over the country.

     

    ETA: As is I could still be the classiest hillbilly in all the Ozarks. See you guys later, I’m on a mission from dawg.

  26. 26.

    JPL

    January 16, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @Patricia Kayden:  Fox has become the fashion experts I guess.   I suppose they raved about Melania’s dour look the other night in the 2000 dollar trash bag.

  27. 27.

    JPL

    January 16, 2020 at 8:24 am

    @gene108: No thank you.   I’m too old to pal around with mob guys.

  28. 28.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 16, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Ukraine has launched a criminal investigation into the alleged hacking of Burisma Holdings, the natural gas company at the center of the Trump impeachment. https://t.co/UDOgvr8RRz— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 16, 2020

  29. 29.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    January 16, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I think she should have worn Orange…Or maybe Titans Blue but I am weird.  Never understood why everyone in Washington needs to look like they are on the way to a funeral.

  30. 30.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 16, 2020 at 8:49 am

    Everyone has presumably heard about the Parnas interview by now, and has seen the text messages implying surveillance/stalking of Ambassador Yovanovitch in Kyiv. You might be wondering about the government reaction – well, they’ve opened a criminal investigation into said surveillance.

    Oh, wait, that’s the *Ukrainian* Interior Ministry. The US Government, which actually employs Ambassador Yovanovitch, the highest-ranking female Foreign Service Officer, HASN’T DONE A FUCKING THING ABOUT  IT.

  31. 31.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    January 16, 2020 at 8:51 am

    Since it is an open thread, I wonder if anybody else saw this yesterday: Christian school expels teen after she posed with rainbow birthday cake, mother says

    If you want to find a sick fvck, just look at the nearest Christian school administrator.

    Christians as a group are deeply confused about what morality is.

  32. 32.

    Quinerly

    January 16, 2020 at 8:52 am

    @Baud: I found this:

    In response to Parnas’ interview, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Thursday morning, “These allegations are being made by a man who is currently out on bail for federal crimes and is desperate to reduce his exposure to prison.”

    “The facts haven’t changed — the president did nothing wrong and this impeachment, which was manufactured and carried out by the Democrats has been a sham from the start,” Grisham said.

  33. 33.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 8:54 am

    The long read
    Bring up the bodies: the retired couple who find drowning victims

    When Gene and Sandy Ralston returned to their truck after a day on the Beardsley reservoir in northern California in March 2002, they discovered several handwritten notes taped to the doors and windscreen: “Call Lieutenant Lunney as soon as you get back to town. It’s urgent.”

    The Ralstons, a married couple from rural Idaho, had been scientists until the late 1980s, when they began helping out on local search and rescue missions. By the winter of 2002, they had volunteered on more than a dozen searches for victims of drowning across the US, and had developed an uncanny ability to find bodies. They had just helped Lt Lunney’s sheriff’s department locate the remains of a man who had drowned in the reservoir three-and-a-half years earlier, after falling off his boat while fishing. Divers had brought him back to the surface that afternoon.

    As the notes instructed, the Ralstons drove to the nearby town of Sonora to meet Lunney. Their expertise was needed by some other folks, he said, although he wasn’t allowed to tell them who. The next morning, the Ralstons were briefed by FBI agents on a series of kidnappings for ransom that had turned into murders. The families of four victims of abduction had wired more than $1.2m between them to an account in New York, which then transferred the money to a bank in Dubai. But the bodies of the victims were now thought to be lying at the bottom of a reservoir just east of Yosemite national park. The killers, the FBI said, were possibly connected to the Russian mafia.
    …………………………………………………..
    The Ralstons are now in their 70s and spend most of every year travelling to search sites or on the water, looking for bodies. They have clocked more than 31,000 miles on their motorhome in a single year. In almost two decades of searching, they have found 120 victims of drowning in lakes and rivers across the US and Canada. They are considered among the best underwater search and recovery specialists in North America, and have worked for agencies from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to Nasa (hunting for the wreckage of the space shuttle Columbia, which disintegrated on atmospheric entry in February 2003, killing all seven crew members). They have helped solve crimes and generations-old mysteries.

    When the Ralstons’ home phone rings with a search request, though, it is usually a family member of a missing person – someone reaching out after an official search has been called off. By the time the Ralstons arrive at the scene of a disappearance, no one expects the missing person to be found alive. What Gene and Sandy offer is not the hope of rescue, but the solace of finality. They have spent years crisscrossing North America in the service of grief.

  34. 34.

    Quinerly

    January 16, 2020 at 8:55 am

    @Aardvark Cheeselog: I saw it. Kentucky

    Christians

  35. 35.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 16, 2020 at 8:55 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Trump wanted Ukraine to announce they were opening an investigation and they finally did!

  36. 36.

    terben

    January 16, 2020 at 9:02 am

    @Reboot: There is no equivalent to the US impeachment process in Australia. PMs are not chosen by the voters directly like the US President. PMs are chosen by their party and can be changed by a ‘spill’ motion and subsequent ballot at a party caucus meeting. PMs can also lose a confidence motion on the floor of the House of Reps if enough of their party defects and votes with the opposition. The PM would then be expected to tender his resignation to the Governor General and if no one could cobble together a majority on the floor of the House then a fresh election would be called.

  37. 37.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Fuck ’em.

  38. 38.

    James E Powell

    January 16, 2020 at 9:04 am

    @Aardvark Cheeselog:

    I did see that. Stories like this are fairly common. I wonder about the parents. Did they not know the school was like this?

  39. 39.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:06 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Awww what a pwesicous widdle snowflake.

  40. 40.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:10 am

    @Kathleen: Nancy Smash will be devastated and won’t be able to go on upholding and defending the Constitution.  I expect a resignation letter from her later today.

  41. 41.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 16, 2020 at 9:12 am

    Big impeachment doings today. The House managers read the charges, and the Senate gets sworn in.

  42. 42.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:13 am

    @JPL: The most luxurious, classiest and tremendous bigly Hefty bag ever.  Period!

    ETA – Trash in trash bag.  Hmm…makes sense.

    EATA – Garbage in garbage can

  43. 43.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 9:20 am

    @Quinerly: Translation:  “Parnas has receipts.  Old news.”

  44. 44.

    Baud

    January 16, 2020 at 9:21 am

    @Quinerly:

    Do you read that as a specific denial?

  45. 45.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:22 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Shocking! ? < my shocked face

  46. 46.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 16, 2020 at 9:23 am

    @Quinerly:

    It’s possible Grisham is even more offensive as Press Secretary than Sarah Huckabee Sanders was. And that’s saying a lot.

  47. 47.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 9:23 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Is your son still pursuing a career in the foreign service?

  48. 48.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    January 16, 2020 at 9:29 am

    Stoehr is referring to Liz Cheney’s announcement that she plans to stay in the House rather then run for Senate.

    To me, this is as good a sign as any the Senate majority is in play. Mitch McConnell is between a rock and a hard place. https://t.co/B5yuQ6SBRe
    — John Stoehr’s Editorial Board (@johnastoehr) January 16, 2020

  49. 49.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 9:31 am

    @Baud: I certainly don’t.  It’s like whenever Pompeo says, “It’s outrageous you should ask such a question!”. Without answering the question.  It is pure deflection and dodge.

  50. 50.

    WaterGirl

    January 16, 2020 at 9:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  The DOJ has lost all credibility. I no longer trust anything they have to say.

  51. 51.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:32 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: But will Moscow Mitch have a rock dropped on him while sitting on a hard place?  And, no, I’m not talking about crack cocaine.  Oh Moscow Cocaine Mitch…

  52. 52.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 9:33 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: That’s interesting. I wonder for what specific reasons she decided against joining the most exclusive club in the country.

  53. 53.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 16, 2020 at 9:34 am

    @Immanentize: “How dare you question the greatness of our god emperor Soviet shitpile mobster conman!”

  54. 54.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @mrmoshpotato: That is precisely Pompeo’s attitude.  All bully boy bluster.

  55. 55.

    JPL

    January 16, 2020 at 9:39 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: My uneducated guess is that she wants McCarthy’s seat.

  56. 56.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 9:40 am

    The UK’s food security is to be regularly assessed by parliament to ensure minimal disruption to supplies after the country leaves the EU and while new trade deals are sought.

    The commitment will be part of the biggest shakeup of British agriculture in 40 years and requires a regular report to MPs outlining supply sources and household expenditure on food, as well as consumer confidence in food safety.

    The move reflects concerns over potential disruptions post-Brexit, as more than a quarter of Britain’s food comes from the EU and nearly a fifth from other countries.

    The revision is one of a handful to the agriculture bill, introduced to parliament on Thursday more than a year after the previous government was forced to abandon the legislation amid Brexit turmoil.

    Other changes include a stronger emphasis on the soil, at risk from overuse, erosion and nutrient loss; farmers are to receive help maintaining healthy soils, as well as with improvements to the tracing of livestock movements between farms. There will be powers to regulate fertiliser use and organic farming after Brexit.

    Missing from the bill is a binding commitment to prevent trade deals allowing the import of food produced to lower standards than those to which British farmers must adhere. This has been a key demand of farmers concerned that after Brexit they will be undercut by cheap imports from the US and Asia, with lower food safety and animal welfare regulations.

    Call that the trump clause.

  57. 57.

    Jay

    January 16, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Morning all,

    Saudi Arabia does not appear to have paid the $1 billion that President Trump said it has paid to house a deployment of US troops to the kingdom, according to the Pentagon https://t.co/eiZ1qBxnkQ— CNN (@CNN) January 14, 2020

    Dump lied, must be a day ending in “y”.

  58. 58.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 9:45 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: It will be called the “two notch test.”. When Britons have to pull their belts in by two notches, then (and only then) will the US come to their rescue with food sales (sorry, no special friend or family discount).

  59. 59.

    Jay

    January 16, 2020 at 9:48 am

     

    @OzarkHillbilly:

     

    as Chris Grey’s Brexit Blog pointed out recently, when it comes to trade with the EU or any other trade deals, Britain is now in the position of “getting only what their trade partners are willing to give”, so it’s going to be a meal of chlorinated chicken washed down with a slug of Colt 45 or Ripple.

  60. 60.

    Jay

    January 16, 2020 at 9:50 am

    There are many things I want to know more about, especially regarding defense and foreign policy — but ewarren sending the message that you don't break a nonaggression pact with ewarren without facing consequences is a massive net positive. https://t.co/uaBpjdIj8V— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) January 16, 2020

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 16, 2020 at 9:54 am

    @JPL: That’s a theory. Do you know if she is that well liked within the Republican caucus? Is she that good of a fund raiser? I just haven’t seen all that many stories about her. She has a reputation as an attack dog, but she seems to be awfully quiet for that role.

    The lone commenter on Stoehrs tweet says, “They do not like her there at all.” which is silly on the face of it. She was re-elected for WY lone congressional seat with a 34 point margin.

  62. 62.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 16, 2020 at 10:15 am

    @Immanentize: It’s unclear what he will do. He is currently on a one-year fellowship, so he has until around Sep-Oct to figure things out.

  63. 63.

    Immanentize

    January 16, 2020 at 10:16 am

    @Gin & Tonic: That is, hopefully, good timing.  Fingers crossed for him.

  64. 64.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    January 16, 2020 at 10:28 am

    @Aardvark Cheeselog: yup I read it. Looks like the school administrators never read Genesis. Also they are assholes and I hope her parents find a more kind and open minded school for their daughter.

  65. 65.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    January 16, 2020 at 10:33 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I know, right? Cheney would be facing the exact same electorate if she ran for Senate.

    Is this about seniority? She’s not been in the House that long, has she? Does she think the Republicans will have a better shot at taking back the House than the Senate in 2022?

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    January 16, 2020 at 11:16 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Reading that left me all choked up.  Good people.

  67. 67.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    January 16, 2020 at 11:37 am

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: she was first elected in 2016, so she’s risen pretty quickly, indicating that she must have a lot of support within the caucus

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    January 16, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: hahahahaha

  69. 69.

    annamal

    January 16, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    @terben: The (somewhat unkind) joke in my part of NZ was that a change in Ozzie PMs was a good prompt to change your smoke detector batteries.

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