Dude. Social distancing. Come on. https://t.co/L3V61GbxNz
— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) March 15, 2020
Seems like this remains probable:
My prediction for a Biden presidency is basically this:
1.) Progressives/SocDems will win more policy victories than they think
2.) Kooky Uncle Joe present himself in a way utterly antithetical to their preferred aesthetic
3.) The Online Left will find this tradeoff unacceptable https://t.co/jj3AkGsSdL— Starfish Who Is Frankly Freaking Out Right Now (@IRHotTakes) March 14, 2020
This is why, I assume, Warren has withheld her endorsement so far: An unaligned (ex)candidate with delegates still in her court has more leverage. Of course her ‘friend’ Bernie has done her no favors, but while she and Biden *have* clashed in the past (remember, Joe’s notoriously ‘the Senator from MBNA’, headquartered in Delaware), he of all people knows how retail politics works!
This is a big policy win for Warren on an issue that was the central focus of much of her career.
No information on an explicit quid pro quo, but this is the kind of thing that could convince a person to not endorse the front-runner’s opponent. https://t.co/llVRuPyZGD
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 14, 2020
Kent
Elizabeth Warren is one of the brightest minds in American politics.
There is fucking ZERO chance that she would endorse Sanders, who has effectively already lost the race. To what end would she do that? Even AOC is walking away from Sanders as fast as she can.
Warren will inevitably endorse Biden. The only real question is when.
Martin
I’m thinking the stock market won’t improve until Trump and the Fed stop paying attention to the stock market.
dmsilev
Sanders isn’t going to pick up any substantial endorsements beyond what he already has. It’s obvious to anyone with even half a brain that he’s a massive massive underdog at this point, so what exactly would an endorsement do for the endorser? Signal that they don’t like Joe Biden, I guess. That’s fine for someone who is primarily interested in political posturing, but if you’re primarily motivated by policy it’s probably not a good idea.
Hence Warren not endorsing Sanders.
Also, of course, Sanders and his minions were …not great fans of Senator Warren as of just a few weeks ago. Were I her, I’d have been tempted to respond with any “will you endorse me” outreach with a snake emoji.
dmsilev
@Martin: Quantum investodynamics?
sdhays
As I understand, a central part of Warren’s bankruptcy plan is allowing student debt be handled under regular bankruptcy law so that people who get too far behind can actually get a fresh start. That was something Kay was always mentioning, so she should be pleased. I hope she comes back eventually.
Chetan Murthy
Does anybody have a link to AOC’s speech to Bernie supporters, where she was telling them to calm the fuck down, not attack people who don’t agree with them, that maybe that wasn’t the right way to grow the movement, etc?
Been looking for that ….
sdhays
@Martin: I think the only chance of that happening is for Dump to get COVID-19 really, really bad.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kent:
I found this especially interesting, but not surprising. AOC isn’t stupid and I don’t think she’s a purity pony. Warren’s campaign even tried to put out feelers for an endorsement to give Sanders her delegates and Senator Shouty McWaggingfinger ignored her. He’s a toxic asshole and that’s part of why he’s probably not going to win. I hope he suspends his campaign finally when he gets blown away again Tuesday.
Also too, he did not come across well in the debate tonight. He was still trying to defend his praise for authoritarian regimes and was just downright unpleasant in his demeanor (trying to shout, etc)
@dmsilev:
Nina Turner: So you’re saying there’s a chance?
Redshift
@Martin:
And since Trump won’t stop paying attention to the stock market until it improves, look for a continued death spiral.
Martin
@dmsilev: Kinda. The market responds to the fed when they’re having liquidity issues, or having trouble justifying investment. But that’s not their problem now. Their problem now is that all of their customers are stuck at home, and a number of their industries are going to go bankrupt (perhaps rightfully so).
Stimulus can’t fix that. Infrastructure and effective management of government is needed, and neither one is going to happen until Jan 2021 at the earliest.
Major Major Major Major
That was the best debate so far in terms of illuminating the candidates, on the off chance somebody didn’t already know exactly who either of them was.
How do we feel about canceling Tuesday’s elections? People will get sick and die.
Kent
It’ll bottom out at some point and stop falling. Maybe when it is down 40% from January which is about what the 2008 fall was. Then it will just sit there until there is truly good news about economic recovery and the end of the pandemic in sight.
It has to go low enough that risk takers start seeing bargains that are too good to pass up. We aren’t there yet. Then the Buffets of the world start buying and we are off to the races again.
That would be my prediction.
dogwood
It’s no surprise that Joe would change his position on bankruptcy. He’s not a Delaware Senator anymore.
sdhays
@sdhays: Actually, expanding that thought:
If Dump does contract COVID-19 and is incapacitated, what do you supposed the market reaction will be? In normal times, the market could probably be expected to react to a President being incapacitated as a negative shock, but in these circumstances…
Martin
@Kent: I think at some point we’ll get a sense of which industries will come out of this stronger, and they’ll move. If we can resist industry bailouts, we could finally see some decrepit industries killed off here.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Martin: I think the market would appreciate if Trump shut his piehole and destroyed his phone.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Major Major Major Major:
Well, according to DeWine, polling places don’t count as “mass gatherings”. Personally, I don’t know. My parents and I are voting absentee, which anybody in Ohio can do. I’d recommend that. I’d prefer not calling off the election entirely, but people having to stand in lines for hours can obviously be dangerous. All restaurants have been closed in the state now, except for deliveries and carry-outs
hilts
Message from Ken Burns to baseball fans:
h/t https://twitter.com/KenBurns/status/1239197240096325632
Dog Dawg Damn
Real talk:
I’m in Los Angeles with my husband. We are both stocked up and fine. I have no friends or family here to speak of.
I saw this crisis coming in early February and did what I could to prepare since then, and have been self isolating for weeks.
My biggest fear has been a mandatory quarantine where travel is restricted and we are stuck here. Given how much Trump hates California, and what he did in Puerto Rico, I simply do not trust him to maintain law and order or food supply.
I’ve heard multiple rumors from semi-reputable sources (including SF Chronicle) that Trump will restrict all travel in or out of California sometime very soon.
im contemplating packing up and going home to Texas to be with my family (older mom and dad). I can work remote. Husband is leery of leaving as we are safe here. But I have this anxiety that that won’t last longer in a metro of 12 million people.
advice ? Am I being paranoid ?
Martin
The website Trump was talking about is now live. It only applies to San Mateo and Santa Clara counties because it was a CA governor initiative until Trump decided to take credit for it.
Its ability to expand out of CA will rely on states cooperating, which I don’t think they’re unwilling to do, but they will have to do some substantial work on their end.
Morzer
FWIW, I don’t think Warren is going to endorse anyone anytime soon. I suspect she’ll just wait for the primary to end and then focus on bringing the party together to crush the Orange Warthog.
Frankensteinbeck
@Dog Dawg Damn:
I have no idea how he could do that. Since when is this in a president’s power? If he orders it despite it not being in his power, who would enforce it? State police won’t. The military won’t. Last I heard the National Guard, despite its name, belongs to the states and not the federal government. There aren’t really other options big enough to block roads in and out of a whole state, especially California.
sdhays
@Dog Dawg Damn: Do you have confidence in the Texas government’s response? Because I wouldn’t.
Jerzy Russian
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I would also appreciate that.
Major Major Major Major
@Dog Dawg Damn: My husband is in SF visiting family right now. I nagged him to buy a ticket to JFK on the earliest feasible flight, so he’s just about to board a redeye. I figure there’s a decent chance travel around California or NYC will be restricted very very soon, at some level.
terry chay
I’m not sure INDUSTRIES will get killed off, but a lot of companies might and their industries reduced.
For instance, there was an article observing Putin’s ploy to price was Saudi Arabia to wipe out US shale oil will backfire. What is most likely to happen is those companies will bankrupt and then be bought for a song by other US multinational oil companies such as Exxon making it so when the price war ended US export of oil will be even stronger than before (we are apparently now the largest oil producer in the world).
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Dog Dawg Damn: Gov. Gav will maintain law and order and we have the food supply here in CA.
PJ
@Dog Dawg Damn: There is no evidence whatsoever (at least reported in the news) that food supply anywhere in the country will be diminished by the crisis. Where things are in short supply (hand sanitizer, toilet paper), it is due to hoarding, which will subside in a week or two and which will also be alleviated by ramped up production.
dmsilev
@Dog Dawg Damn:
California is, if push came to shove, self-sufficient in food. There may not be the full variety of everything you might want, but there would be food.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Major Major Major Major:
I bet the tickets were cheap! Last I heard a plane ticket to the West Coast was like under $100.
When you say travel is going to be restricted, how do you mean?
Morzer
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239348555736907776
West of the Rockies
Brachiator and I both missed the debate and asked late in the last thread if it seems Biden was essentially the winner tonight. Thoughts?
sdhays
@Frankensteinbeck: And, at this point, what would be the point? It’s in Mar-a-fucking-lago, for Pete’s sake. Not to mention – California produces a lot of agricultural products that the rest of us depend on. They’re not going to embargo California.
terry chay
@Morzer: Agreed. I’m surprised anyone is asking for her endorsement. She will do it the same way that she did in 2016. For the winner (Biden this time) at a time for maximal effect to bring the party together.
Doing it sooner serves no purpose other than to be petty at how a bunch of Bernie surrogates treated her and her staff. Petty vindictive politics is for losers (like them). Warren is no loser.
Martin
@Dog Dawg Damn: I think you are misplacing your fears. Trump can go fuck himself on this. Law and order is a state matter. Gavin can call up the National Guard. And don’t worry about the food supply – California controls most of the nations food right now. It’s too cold almost anywhere else to grow food, but we have a year round growing season for a ton of food. And a lot of what gets imported into the US comes across ports of entry into CA.
It’s good. We have a good governor, we have good infrastructure, we have food, and a lot of the nations medical industry is here in state. They need us way more than we need them right now. Plus, what would Trump do without his Google website?
We got this.
Chetan Murthy
@Dog Dawg Damn: (1) I cannot believe that the state of Texas will do a better job of controlling this thing, than the state of CA will do. On many levels, from public health, to just caring about all residents, to biotech (Stanford got fed up and devised their own test) and on and on..
(2) But I can understand the desire/need to be where your family is. Family support is important in a global pandemic.
But seriously, I’d rather have Gavin Newsom and the State of CA, than Greg Abbott and the State of Texas.
[full disclosure: I grew up there, and have very little regard for the way the state is run.]
dmsilev
@West of the Rockies: A win mostly by default. There wasn’t any sort of dramatic knockout or turning-of-the-tide moment, so the debate isn’t going to move the needle much in either direction. And since the needle is right now pointing firmly at ‘Biden’, he wins.
I think he probably came out on top just scoring the debate by itself, but that’s a lesser point.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@West of the Rockies:
I only caught bits and pieces, but yes he was. Biden caught Sanders off-guard by committing to a female VP candidate. Sanders didn’t come off well imo temperamentally. He liked to wave his arms around a lot. He was also still trying to defend his praise of places like China for bringing their citizens out of poverty despite being police states
scribbler
@Dog Dawg Damn:
You’re more than welcome to consider stopping off in WI for awhile. We have cheese!
terry chay
@dogwood: excellent point!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
What if martial law was declared?
Dog Dawg Damn
Thanks for the response.
I suppose factor is being with my mother, who is older with a lung condition.
Would hate to be away from her if anything happened.
also, Cali is rather easily to close off. Not many roads leading in / out. Can always try Titus Canyon Road in Death Valley but they mountains and desert leave few true routes.
HumboldtBlue
@Chetan Murthy:
This one?
Morzer
@West of the Rockies: Pretty solid win for Biden. Sanders had nothing but the stump speech (deployed at the oddest times) and couldn’t even manage a coherent response when Biden committed to picking a female VP.
Kent
That’s the thing with resource extraction industries. The resources will still be there to get scooped up and exploited by someone else. Whether it is oil, mining, timber, fishing, etc.
Kent
Every fucking thing from Asia that the rest of the country consumes comes into the country through the ports of Long Beach, Oakland, or Seattle/Tacoma
feebog
So here is my situation. We buried my mom, dad and brother at sea today in a very moving and special ceremony. Just relatives and a few close friends. But now those folks all have to get home. Most of them to Washington state. We all fly Alaska Airlines and so far although they have cancelled some flights, most are still scheduled. Otherwise, they are all prepared to rent a car and drive. It’s about an 18 hour drive from here to Seattle, and 20 to Mt. Vernon, but with two drivers it is doable. Mayor Garcetti just shut down the entire city, so I don’t think drastic shutdowns in air flight are far behind.
rekoob
@Dog Dawg Damn: At the risk of sounding flippant, as the saying goes, “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean the world isn’t out to get you”. If your husband is similarly flexible with work and such, consider a possible compromise: New Mexico. Two-thirds of the way to Texas (not knowing where your family is), but unlikely to be the focus of a lot of restrictions. Moreover, a good Governor and other officials who can guide you through the tangles the circumstances have laid before you. Plenty of wide open spaces, and I’m pretty sure that you can find affordable places in Grants, Clines Corners, and Tucumcari or their respective environs as needed.
L85NJGT
Have the Sanders camp dropped the negative Joe ads? The one I saw today ID’d the real problem as Exxon and Wells-Fargo. Do they have some basic grasp that we aren’t having a national plebiscite on big whatever?
A one note candidate, and reality has moved on.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@feebog:
My condolences
Martin
Los Angeles moratorium on evictions, including businesses. Solid move.
The Dangerman
@Dog Dawg Damn:
With the pieces currently on the board, I wouldn’t be abnormally concerned. Unless the Dodgers get cheated in the World Series again by the Astros; then, all bets are off.
Where things get a little dicey is the “what’s next”. If you toss a big problem on an already monstrously big problem (biggest since at least WWII, and WWII is looking at this situation in the rear view mirror going “damn, it’s catching up”). Just to be dark, yet real, if there was a major earthquake right now, all bets are off. Shit, I get extra credit because, if there were a major earthquake in my neighborhood, there’s always Diablo Canyon sitting there to really do us in.
Personally, I’d sit tight. Hell, do you really want to be that close to Ted Cruz?
Major Major Major Major
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): $124.
I didn’t have anything specific in mind, but we don’t actually know what the government is capable of in a scenario like this.
Mary G
@Dog Dawg Damn: I’m staying in Orange County, and feel California is safer than Texas, but my parents are both dead. If they were alive in Texas I might think differently. I don’t think Trump could enforce shutting CA down. We grow a lot of food.
West of the Rockies
Thanks to all for the Biden probably/likely winning tonight.
Okay, somehow I have not heard what Trump is saying Google will do. Is he claiming something insanely stupid (“Google will tell you if you have the virus and how to treat it with peanut butter and matches!”)?
robmassing
The old white guy is doing something like political appropriation. But he’s a genial old white guy, and also you go and appropriate bro.
Fair Economist
@Kent: I think this strange “Putin and the Saudis are faking a fight to destroy US shale oil” conspiracy is just way too complicated. Oil demand will be way down for months and maybe years. Oil revenues will be down even more. There’s not enough to go around, so the hyenas are fighting over the scraps.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Major Major Major Major:
Wow, that’s a good price.
I hope it won’t be necessary to have to go into lockdown like Italy did
The Dangerman
@feebog:
First, condolences on your losses.
LA to Seattle is not at all a hard drive; with two, it’s not only doable, it’s cake. About the only thing I would check on would be not hitting Ashland in the middle of the night (Ashland is snowing right now per Weather.com and the Ashland grade is NO fun if you get into an ice situation).
Only other tips should be obvious to you. Drive speed limits in OR and WA. Do NOT drive speed limits in CA; you don’t want to get run over.
Poe Larity
With Miami Beach and Ft Lauderdale trying to shut down, when will Trump close Germ-a-Lago?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Oh shit:
Ex-Gov. Candidate Andrew Gillum in Miami Beach Hotel Room Where Drugs Found: Police
SectionH
@feebog: My condolences – sounds like a great send-off though.
Um, I’d say fly. On one hand, airports aren’t crowded anywhere afaict, well, domestically, and more importantly, the airlines are paying attention. Wear gloves, take hand sanitizer – you can has 14 oz or so – no really – through Security Theater.
Driving, well, if it’s the 5, forget it. I’d take my chances peeing on the roadside on non-Interstate roads. See John’s post ?yesterday? I’d also pack my own food – and I will.
edited for clarity, oh well…
Morzer
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Gillum is apparently entering rehab.
Major Major Major Major
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I saw that, it sounds kinda, er, gay…
Calouste
@Major Major Major Major: I think it sounds Republican.
Ruckus
@sdhays:
That of course would be a reason that trump would do exactly that, embargo CA.
Remember if it’s the wrong thing to do, it will be trump’s first choice. He’s always choses wrong, he thinks wrong, he’s always wrong about everything. He might stumble and accidentally do the right thing but he’ll recognize it and then fuck it up.
phdesmond
@hilts: hear, hear!
HumboldtBlue
@Major Major Major Major:
Did you say … “a little bit gaaayyyyy”?
cain
@Kent:
For once, I will actually have money to buy when it is low.
Kent
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Well, if you are going to bury the news of a political downfall, this would be the week to do it.
He wasn’t going anywhere anyway was he? Of the two southern AA stars from the 2018 elections it seems like Stacy Abrams is the one who is rising to the top.
Ruckus
@Poe Larity:
Never!
That’s his headquarters. That place in DC is old and not tarted up enough, and besides there are no bed bugs to keep him from feeling lonely.
cain
@Dog Dawg Damn:
Yeah, if he does that – markets are going to be pissed. The high tech firms will fight back – one thing for sure.. Biden will be getting a lot of high tech love if all this happens. Maybe Facebook will actually stop Russian meddling..
smike
@The Dangerman:
I also doubt that the weather events we have seen lately will abate. Any one of them could be of national concern.
Mary G
What are these pets Arnie has? Lulu looks like a miniature donkey, but what is Whiskey?
cain
@Major Major Major Major:
Luckily he is part of a party that won’t really give a shit if it is gay.
But dude should quit drinking that much.
Kent
@smike: We are due for a repeat of the 2005 hurricane season (Katrina, Rita Stan Wilma etc.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season
Brachiator
Warren has, what, five delegates? I don’t see that she has any leverage. She should do whatever she thinks best, but I would like to see her endorse Biden if he does well in the next round of primaries, just for the sake of party unity.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kent:
Yeah, but it still sucks. He came pretty close in 2018 to winning
@Major Major Major Major:
Maybe?
@Morzer:
Good for him! Wish him all the luck in the world on a speedy recovery
Yutsano
@Mary G: A Shetland pony.
Kent
She obviously will endorse Biden. Only real question is when.
Mary G
James E Powell
@Brachiator:
That may be exactly what she is waiting for.
Chetan Murthy
@HumboldtBlue: Sadly, that wasn’t it (I watched the entire thing). She specifically talked about not attacking voters who disagree with you, in the excerpt I read.
phdesmond
@HumboldtBlue: interesting AOC video, thanks for posting.
Sister Golden Bear
Sober read from an ER doctor in the Bay Area.
Buckle up, it’s going to be brutal
And if he’s correct about the rumor that there’s numerous unreported hospitalizations in the South Bay, then the odds that I’ve been exposed are pretty good.
Sab
@Mary G: A burro and a shetland pony?
Anne Laurie
@Mary G: Whiskey is a miniature horse. You can see how some people use them instead of seeing-eye dogs!
Brachiator
@Martin:
The Fed is paying attention to the financial system, and Trump is an idiot so he will continue to focus on the stock market. But everyone else should ignore it. The country, the world, is undergoing a deliberate economic contraction. And no one knows how long it will last or what industries might be hurt the most. But I think that whatever happens there will be a strong recovery.
ETA. A bit of irony. While out for dinner, I noticed a new Chipotle restaurant having a pre opening staff meeting and training session. And earlier the governor talked about letting restaurants remain open, but suggesting that they reduce the number of customers allowed in. So not the best of time to open a new restaurant, but we must try to carry on.
mrmoshpotato
@Kent:
But but but Wilmer’s threesome with Fidel and the USSR!
So NOT sorry!
Brachiator
@Kent:
I’ve said before that I think she should do it sooner than later. I don’t see an upside in a delay. She doesn’t have a strong base of supporters, and there is not much point in trying to appease Sanders supporters.
Sister Golden Bear
@sdhays:
Paybackowning the libs is the point.Chetan Murthy
This should go viral: A message from Italians to themselves, ten days ago
http://www.openculture.com/2020/03/quarantined-italians-send-a-message-to-themselves.html
West of the Rockies
@Sister Golden Bear:
I think it may have already gone through my household (even though Butte Co CA has no confirmed cases yet). We were all among the 81% for whom it is not horrific. Visiting family from Seattle all got sick, we got it, now are recovering/ed. I think there must be many untested-but-positive all over the state and nation.
mrmoshpotato
@Chetan Murthy: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Are they not liking the monster they created anymore? Are the children realizing unicorns don’t fucking exist?
dlwchico
Looks like the Dutch know how to do this quarantine right.
https://twitter.com/hausofIau/status/1239239961288851456
trollhattan
@Dog Dawg Damn:
If it helps, the water that comes over the Tehachapis is state, not federal and they can’t touch that. Colorado water is federal but even so, they have contracts that can’t just be ripped up. Metropolitan WD of SoCal sources water from both. IIRC it’s the city of LA that stole, er, sources the Owen’s Valley water.
The storms we’re getting right now will help everybody’s supplies, plus, there is a lot of water in reservoirs carried over from last season. (Winter took six weeks off, starting January.)
None of this is to say they can’t screw with us in a hundred other ways, but water isn’t one.
mrmoshpotato
@Redshift: “I’m tremendous at steak marquee!”
(stock market burrows into the Earth’s mantle)
trollhattan
@Sister Golden Bear:
An ER doc at Evergreen who treated some of the Washington State senior home patients is himself in ICU with the virus, per a friend who lives there. Our healthcare providers deserve better.
HumboldtBlue
@Chetan Murthy:
Gotcha, either way, I love her message and I love the rhythm and tone of it.
@phdesmond:
Smart, sharp and willing to throw a punch, I think she and a lot of other progressive women are going to shape things in the coming years.
Chetan Murthy
@mrmoshpotato:
To me, the words I read indicated that AOC was a better politician than Bernie (shocker, I know, I know …) and she was trying to educate his …. horde that they needed to be better, be better, be better, in order to win. I mean, sure she endorsed him. But every pol has to make compromises, and I can imagine she did that in endorsing him. Now that he’s lost, she’s trying to teach his supporters that -they- need to make compromises, in order to grow their movement and actually have any real impact.
piratedan
@Sister Golden Bear: I think some of your answer to that is at Mary G’s post @81.
the PPE issue is right there at the forefront, we’re so used to everything being disposable that its ingrained in the thinking that the only was to be sterile is to toss it after use…
I don’t know if handmade PPE is the way to go, but if it’s not already in the pipeline, you have to start casting about for other solutions…
Facility I am working for remotely is concerned and we haven’t seen the wave yet, yet you get the sense that its building. We’ve modified room configurations, attempted to lay in oxygen and more of the beds that can administer the o2 flow through their own setups… Discussions underway on how to best address the expected influx of patients, do we set aside floors, wings, triage via the ER, how to best address… etc etc etc
Our community is mostly suburban residential, but what happens when Seattle is overwhelmed? We suspect that it’ll be our turn post that and doing what we can to keep pragmatic about what can be done.
The time to be pissed about the lack of testing is past now, now we need to have the tests available to confirm who is affected so they can be isolated quickly to prevent cross-infection and that capability is still beyond us. I expect that the Federal response will be too little too late.
I fear for my co-workers, everyone from the nurses and docs to the specimen runners and lab techs and the security guards who will have to try and keep calm in a time of rising panic.
Kent
He is in his 40s and in critical but stable condition. So it isn’t only just the elderly who have severe reactions: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/evergreenhealth-doctor-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-critical-condition/
Kent
AOC is very bright and very young. She has decades of political career in front of her. Her political future doesn’t depend on a 79 year old curmudgeon fro Vermont.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
He so didn’t want to answer the question. He ran around in circles hoping to avoid answering. Tells you everything you need to know about him.
mrmoshpotato
@West of the Rockies: Shouty Waggyfinger should have fucked off in May 2016, and tonight’s debate just added to my belief.
Mary G
Mary G
It used to be America helping other countries:
Martin
@Calouste: No wetsuit.
mrmoshpotato
@Chetan Murthy: Grow their movement?
How about “It’s over, and it will be more than over on Tuesday night after Florida and Illinois go for Biden in a landslide. Buck the fuck up like you didn’t in 2016, and go vote for Joe in November.”
mrmoshpotato
@Martin: Scuba diving in the nude?
mrmoshpotato
Steve is having none of it.
James E Powell
@mrmoshpotato:
I’ve been telling every Bernie Bro I know: in 2016 you refused to get behind the Democratic candidate and we got Trump. You have no valid argument for doing it again other than that you want Trump to stay in office. Please get out of my face.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@mrmoshpotato: It’s what Baud would do.
Mary G
mrmoshpotato
@James E Powell: Exactly right.
mrmoshpotato
@?BillinGlendaleCA: That’s common knowledge. :)
Chetan Murthy
@mrmoshpotato:
I think she’s trying to emotionally prepare them for having to vote for the Democratic nominee. She knows it’ll take some time, and …. y’know, I applaud her in this. We’d probably never have the patience for it, but it’s good that she does.
opiejeanne
@feebog: I’m so sorry. I don’t know what happened that you lost all three at once, and grieving for one person is hard enough, but I’m keeping you in my thoughts and wishing healing for you.
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G: I was hoping for a tuxedoed hoarde, but one will do. :)
Zoos – do not, I repeat, do not let polar bears have the run of the place.
JaySinWA
@mrmoshpotato:
That is not how euphemisms work. That’s not how any of it works.
opiejeanne
@Mary G: A miniature horse and a miniature donkey. The love that dare not speak its name.
JaySinWA
According to the NYT West by god Virginia is the last hold out against COVID. Are they natural social distancers there? I thought the Seattle freeze would be our best defence.
JaySinWA
@opiejeanne: Arnie is having a threesome?
opiejeanne
@JaySinWA: Not what I meant, and I don’t think Arnie’s proclivities include mistreating animals.
Just down the road a little way there is a house next to the Tolt Pipeline trail, and they have older rescue animals. For the longest time there was a miniature donkey and a miniature horse, and they seemed to be a couple. An odd couple.
My Oscar Wilde comment was a joke we told ourselves when we’d see them together, looking faintly ashamed and bashful.
I think the little horse died of old age last year, and I just realized I haven’t seen the miniature donkey recently, but maybe he was in the barn.
mrmoshpotato
@JaySinWA: Hahaha :)
Kathleen
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I’ll just drop this here:
AOC tells Fox Bernie is losing to Biden because of voter suppression.
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1238228735297556482
mrmoshpotato
@Kathleen: Well! I guess I don’t have to close my eyes for bed, because they just rolled out of my head.
I’ll find them in the morning.
Martin
@JaySinWA: I’ve been telling people that mothman is eating all of the virus.
Prove me wrong.
Robert Sneddon
@Mary G: China was massively ramping up production of COVID-19 testing materials, personal protective equipment and other such necessities while the US was looking forward to March Madness and engaging in their weird “Democratic primary” dance. The Chinese factories now have overcapacity in those materials over and above the local requirement while places like Europe and the US are still ramping up as demand outstrips supply (temporarily I hope).
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Yet another blood bath
Dow Futures -4.58% (downside trading halted/limited)
Australia -9.70%
Shanghai -3.40%
Hong Kong -4.70%
France -9.64%
Germany -8.35%
UK -8.70%
Tokyo -2.46%
So much winning.
Lumpy
I’d guess 80% of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren’s policies overlap, but here is Anne Laurie cheering because Joe Biden agrees to adopt just ONE of Warren’s plans.