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— Yashar Ali ?? (@yashar) March 15, 2020
We are all cats now. https://t.co/d2WdsT3tHR
— Amos Posner (@AmosPosner) March 15, 2020
Not everybody can stay home, and we owe a big debt of gratitude to health professionals, transit and airport workers, first responders, and everyone keeping our communities going. Leaders have to step up to support people whose lives and livelihoods take a hit in the weeks ahead.
— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) March 15, 2020
“If you need to be right before you move, you will never win.” https://t.co/s0JTLr5M1N
— Bear Braumoeller (@Prof_BearB) March 15, 2020
Meanwhile, time to start gearing up for a national vote-by-mail this November! Per the Washington Post, “Intensifying coronavirus fears rattle voters and elections officials in advance of Tuesday primaries”:
… In Arizona, Florida, Illinois and Ohio, election officials have raced to replace poll workers who have said they will not show Tuesday, supply thousands of precincts with sanitizing supplies, and notify voters whose polling locations, many in senior facilities, have been moved as a result of the pandemic.
Voters, meanwhile, have flooded information hotlines. Among their urgent questions: where to vote, how to deliver a ballot if they are under quarantine and how to vote if they registered while attending a college that is now closed.
As the coronavirus spreads, the Democratic Party of Puerto Rico announced Sunday that it would seek to postpone the territory’s March 29 primaries, joining Louisiana and Georgia. One New York election official said Sunday that discussions are underway about whether to delay that state’s contests.
The rapidly changing landscape left officials worried about the threat of two equally dire outcomes Tuesday: chaos at voting places, with diminished staffs causing long lines and increasing the risk of exposure to the deadly virus; or low turnout levels fueled by public fear…
The GOP almost certainly can’t cancel the election, much as they would like to — but depressing turnout is very much in their favor. They can’t figure out how to minimize the risk of thousands of their constituents dying during the current pandemic, but when it comes to voter suppression, they’re tested professionals.
Here's my @Slate piece making the pitch for congressional legislation mandating no excuse absentee balloting for November's election https://t.co/DXqvbJfGwf
— Rick Hasen (@rickhasen) March 14, 2020
I like to hope for the worst so I’m pleasantly surprised.
I’ve got a question for the jackals.
At work we are going to 50% of us work from home (long story why only 50%). We were told to ‘work it out ourselves’ on each team who works where and for how long.
My team get along really well and we’ve worked together for years. Our initial plan is 1 week home, then 1 week at work.
Now that I think about it a bit more a better plan would be 2 week cycles. Because with 1 week cycles if one of us gets it, then potentially we’d be back to work before symptoms appear.
Mai naem mobile
Dow futures are down over 1000 pts which means Trimpov is going to be freaked out. Meanwhile Jerome Powell seems to have been bullied by Trumpov into using what little he had left to use to juice the markets. Orange Fool doesn’t realize nothing will help the market until you get a handle on whatever is going to happen with COVID19 hapoens. It’s the uncertainty. They just need to drop money from the sky to help people get through the next 3 months. That and take care of the health care emergency. Everything else will fall into place.
My nextdoor went from go to the local restaurants, to my wife has the virus and the entire family is under quarantine. The person was looking for a pulse OX meter so he could monitor his wife since she is home.
@Mai naem mobile: A serial bankrupt is always going to think low interest rates are a solution to everything.
One problem of being old is that some of the coronavirus symptoms have been present for a long time. Aches and pains? I have those every morning to some degree (not really badly). As an allergy sufferer, I also sneeze and couch pretty regularly at this time of year. No fever, but then I read maybe you have without that. It’s all anything but reassuring.
I would not worry about November. If this is still going on, Trump will cancel elections and we won’t be able to mass protest in crowds.
@Mai naem mobile: I wish that they would just give him the wrong drugs and let him sleep a few days. Maybe then I wouldn’t wake at three or four in the morning stressed out. Sanders was right and trump needs to shut up.
@Baud: What about hoping for some wurst?
Zergshit can suck COVID-19’s ass. Any questions?
@JMG: :( virtual hugs from 6+ feet away
@Ryan: ?You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head?
@Mai naem mobile:
Republicans can’t allow people to think government can solve problems.
It undermines everything they have stood for, for over 40 years
Has Bernie announced that Biden’s lack of brain damage “rigged” the debate yet?
@gene108: But, but they’re from the government, and they’re here to help.
Oh wait… Stupid Ronnie.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Mai naem mobile:
No wonder people are uncertain. It feels like there’s no one at the helm. The country would be less jittery if Trump self-isolated completely.
I will not look at my 401K. No, I will not. When this is over, maybe Mr DAW and I can get jobs as WalMart greeters.
Given how few people pay attention to the news, along with disinformation from Trump, and Fox News, not enough people are going to take this seriously, until it gets totally out of control
We are really going to show the world a disastrous level of doing all the wrong things.
@Chyron HR: Sshhhhh. You’re risking getting a yelled lecture about INCOME INEQUALITY.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Reality punches someone in the face again. Sigh. I hope his wife recovers well and none of them gets it. I also hope they all stay home.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I’ve had enough of this Shake-up-the-system-to-own-the-libs simulation. Can we reset to November 7, 2016?
The Thin Black Duke
I believe COVID-19 is going to be the disaster that finally brings Trump down. But the tax this country going to pay in doing so is too damned high.
I have deleted Jeffrey’s comment at #19 because it is an incorrect meme that is making the rounds. We deleted at least two other versions of it over the weekend.
It’s a particularly pernicious meme because it contains some correct information along with the garbage. That’s what effective propaganda does.
And no, I’m not saying it’s Russian disinformation. I don’t know. I do know it’s dangerous, and I do know we don’t want it on comment threads here at Balloon Juice.
@lee: Two week cycles sound like a great idea to me. Very insightful.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Maybe if Trump dressed up like a doctor, he could calm everything.
@Mai naem mobile: YES YES YES YES YES YES I’m going to talk to our manager this morning about the possibility that we will be forced to close by the state. I don’t want her to order a whole bunch of food and then have it go bad. I figure it’s coming, it’s just a matter of when, not if. Many people here are still in denial; this is a heavy Republican area. I’m counting on the authorities to do the right thing, even if they are Republicans, because they’ll be getting their information from authoritative sources, not Fox News. I pray I’m right.
@Cheryl Rofer: That said, I agree that there’s not enough available on the symptoms of COVID-19. I’ve been seeing some things. It appears the symptoms are variable, and I want to be very careful about spreading misinformation.
I’ll look around a bit today and see if I can find something reliable.
ETA: Here is the CDC page on symptoms.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I doubt it. His President cosplay is going horribly.
Klobuchar on CNN right now talking about working on a bill to ensure people can vote from home via mail.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Two week cycle, with guidelines to both incoming and outgoing workers on how to clean the place when the switch happens. Good luck to all of you.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
“I’m not a president, but I do play one on tv…”
Took a drive around the neighborhood yesterday just to see what traffic was like and if there were still crowds at local establishments. Traffic lighter than expected even for for a Sunday, but still lots of cars at bars and restaurants*. They just don’t listen….
*Except Ruby Tuesday, but Ruby Tuesday sucks ass anyway so I’m not surprised.
@Betty Cracker: If the whole world of higher education can switch to online education in basically two weeks, the States can figure out vote by mail by August.
@Betty Cracker: PS. Hmmm. Klobuchar already pressing for vote by mail?? Why would she be so interested I wonder? ?
You know how the people in the military who are stationed abroad vote? BY MAIL.
Shortness of breath is THE wake up call to seek professional help in that list – if you have a doctor do call them; if not, that is a ER visit. Of course, you must be sick with major flu-like symptom’s as well (also, deep chest pain along with those flu symptom’s can be a serious issue that needs attention.)
Running on a treadmill and getting short of breath doesn’t count (but does warrant either getting into shape or a visit to your cardiologist … ;)
Good Morning, Everyone ???
@rikyrah: Good morning.
2 weeks is better
Schwarzenegger, via Rick Wilson:
@rikyrah: Good morning! ???
(I am super sunny smiling behind my mask!)
For those keeping score at home –
@Immanentize: The CNN guy tried to press her on her VP prospects now that Biden has announced he’ll definitely pick a woman. But Klobuchar declined to engage in “hypotheticals.”
We were in shock yesterday when Governor Newsom announced home isolation for all seniors 65 and over. As I posted last night, it’s one thing to be voluntarily doing that but another to be told by the Governor that you must.
We quickly got over the shock and are now in coping mode. How are all of the rest of you older California jackals coping with the Senior 24/7 curfew?
Did anyone warn Andrew Gillum that he should have been self-distancing?
Man, to think he was the face of the Florida Democratic Party.
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
They say narcisists may just shut down when faced with overwhelming evidence of failure. Would be best outcome right now, despite leaving Mike Dense on point.
I don’t think MN is blue enough for it to be her.
Agreed. Trump is that bad, that Pence would be an improvement.
The CNN guy is – what’s the technical term? – a flaming idjit.
if anyone sees ‘West of the Rockies,’ please ask him or her when she can chat online later. my understanding is the he/she had ‘it,’ and i am pretty certain i do, and want to compare notes. I am not sick enough to get tested, though i am going to ask because my daughter’s system has been so compromised.
@Scout211: not in California, but my Mother is in a transitional facility in upstate NY. Now on lockdown. No guests in, no residents to go out. She is in her own apartment, on a meal plan and they have started delivering meals to her door. She is in very good spirits (she is generally pro-rules having been raised as a Methodist on a farm?). But she is sad for her neighbor, also in an apartment. But that guy’s wife is in the nursing home side of the facility (across the street) getting full care but he is not allowed to see her. This necessary seclusion stuff is going to create tragedies like this daily.
@NotMax: My stepson who lives in Paia and works at Mana Foods said they’ve had the usual run on stuff that we’ve seen on the mainland. The difference for all of you is if the shipments stop coming. He says if that happens, it’ll be pandemonium. I’m going to hope that doesn’t happen. Also, he told me he talked to Larry Ellison on the phone two weeks ago about pies. Y’all live weird lives there!
@eric: I am so glad to see you. I hope, although compromised, that your daughter’s treatment is going ok? Please hang in there.
Election officials racing to replace poll workers who won’t show up due to virus worries me. I am so cynical, I immediately thought republican poll workers and voters will show up no matter what, even if they have some symptoms.
@Baud: Hell, I’ve wanted W, Dick, and Donnie back, and we all know how 8 years of those bomb-happy morons went.
My son works at a hotel restaurant in Chicago- they closed last night for at least two weeks. Hotel mgmnt and exec. Chef gave the kitchen staff permission to “legally steal” all the fresh produce and perishables. Along with LA’s moratorium on eviction, I am hopeful that this pandemic is the shock that may begin to bring down predatory capitalism.
One looks for hope wherever they can…
From Stonekettle’s Twitter
BC in Illinois
— Mel Brooks, The Twelve Chairs
@Immanentize: she is doing better. january saw a few new challenges. she was all set to go the jimmy fund spring training trip to florida when this hit. she was looking forward to that as a sort of treat. thanks…how is your son?
Excellent idea. No doubt Mitch McConnell and most R’s will disagree.
Stanford is doing a Covid19 Survey for US people.
Oh and thanks for the help with the 2 week stay at home cycles!
@Immanentize: Similar situation with my Dad. They have not locked down the residents in their rooms (yet) but visitors are only allowed in the lobby area.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@eric: Oh lordy. I hope you get some advice quickly. Take care of yourself. Can you self isolate at home so you’re not near your daughter?
@eric: I am sorry about the trip cancellation. That is one of the saddest impacts I’ve heard about. At least the weather here hasn’t been soul killing this winter….
The Immp is doing well, he had a good (but not perfect) CT last month, so he is going to have to do another in May(be). Meanwhile he is ready to get out of here and go to college. I am really hoping there is enough Covid understanding by then so he can go in August.
Went w GF to market yesterday; as expected, hand sanitizer gonzo, beef & chicken scanty, plenty of oink product. If you need protein don’t forget fish: many people don’t like it, it may be available. The frozen stuff is fine (not talking fish stix!), and if you don’t really like it, don’t forget, a spicy creole sauce can make even an old shoe (or tofu) taste good!
>>also too check hand sanitizers: not all contain alcohol!!<<
Dorothy A. Winsor
I know a vaccine takes at least a year, but maybe there’ll be a treatment of some sort by then. I was reading about how the testing is easier for a treatment because you give it to people who are already sick and can benefit. A vaccine, OTOH, is given to healthy people, so the potential for harm outweighing good is greater.
Harbors and docks remain open and functioning on the normal schedule: Matson ships calling at Oahu thrice weekly, at neighbor islands twice each week. The other significant player, Pasha Hawaii, is staying on their regular schedule as well.
Memory here is long, going back to the strikes of the mid-1950s during which shipping was disrupted and the island did for all intents and purposes run out out TP , so it’s always at the top of the list for long time locals and their descendants whenever there is emergency buying.
I remember being behind the mayor in line at the supermarket when people were stocking up, years ago – pre-Costco days, right after a major warning (tsunami or hurricane, don’t recall which). His entire purchase was three 4-packs of toilet paper and a half dozen or so cans of refried beans.
To each his own.
Gee, I remember back when Gillum was Bernie’s hand-picked candidate who crushed the establishment shitlib in the primary.
@p.a.: Spicy Tuna Rice Bowl – haven’t tried it yet, but I got everything needed.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: any treatments that free up beds, esp in icu’s, and ventilators are ++++
@Immanentize: I look forward to getting together when this zombie apocalypse is over.
Does anyone know if that POS Ted Cruz stocked up on soup?
@mrmoshpotato: love chef john. seems like a really good egg
So I have been wondering
“How long can the virus survive on surfaces?
Here is a Wired article that helps answer that
Step-sister and her recently diagnosed with ALS hubby have axed their planned trip to Paris in April.
@eric: If necessary, and you do have to shut down your household, I could do a porch delivery of matzo ball soup for you and yours.
Yeah, Chef John videos are more than mildly addictive.
@p.a.: Sam the Cooking Guy is good too, but can be somewhat vulgar. He and one of his grown sons make videos.
@NotMax: And you can eat a ton and gain no weight!
@JMG: I am having the same confusion. I am allergic to a lot of stuff, and it is full-on spring here. Stuff is blooming. I have a lot of snot and a sore throat from post-nasal drip. No fever. I have plenty of fatigue since I am stressed and sleeping badly and also trying to move and pack. Like, how would I ever know if I have this?
I went to Costco yesterday (wearing long sleeves and pants, covering the cart in disinfectant wipes, staying away from people). I needed baby formula and a few other things since the state announced that schools were closed for at least two weeks. I commented to the guy checking me out that someone would shoot me if I did so much as cough or sneeze in public.
I asked the lady who checked my receipt how she was holding up. She said it was absolutely bonkers and that she was barely hanging on by a thread. I thanked her for her work.
@eric: Will we be the gut munchers or the gut munchees?
Or are we post 80s and BRAINS?
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
We have a pretty good understanding of how to make vaccines and have good reason to say 12-18 months to availability.
Anti-virals are less well understood and a lot more speculative – we may get lucky and have something effective quite soon, we may not for years.
@Immanentize: “Have everybody vote like the military” would be a good slogan for vote-by-mail.
“Was this vaccine cultivated in free range eggs?”
@snoey: Anti-virals are a crapshoot. An old friend of mine took an anti-viral for the flu and had a psychotic breakdown— started chasing her husband with a knife. Counterintuitive fact: rare events, taken as a class, are not so rare.
Trading halted again this morning. Dow is down 2200 or so.
Anyone seen a story about any nursing or assisted living homes setting up a Skype room? Would seem to be a no brainer but I’ve not come across any yet.
“Go ahead and let people try it, it passed Phase 1 so its safe”
Phase 1 just means that it doesn’t try and kill you real fast in a way that makes it obvious that it did it.
It feels like the transitional day of my trip to Las Vegas. Bro’ Man and the Sighthound Hall mob are flying back to D.C. this afternoon, so I will worry less about them. Brother-in-law’s school has closed until mid-April, so he’s thinking of taking the kids to the house in Rehoboth Beach (DE) for the duration. Probably a good idea.
Bro’ Man has to keep working regular shifts at his HMO’s large clinic in downtown Washington, even though, as an ophthalmologist, the vast majority of his patients’ cases are “elective,” in that they don’t have to be handled right now, e.g., eye exams, cataract surgeries, etc. So he’ll continue to see a stream of 20-30 people a day in various stages of health. Lots of retirees.
I asked him if his department had announced any plans for coping with the coronavirus crisis. He laughed and said their last-minute planning would be something like: “Well, old Dr. Bro’ Man died from the virus, so now we’re going to rotate staff in reduced shifts and only do essential services.” But I digress.
We had a good get-together yesterday with RWNJ brother and Mom at her now vacated house in Summerlin (where the mob stayed this weekend), and that went well. Lots of looking at pictures and memorabilia and some talk of what to do with all of her stuff before the house is sold.
She has moved into an assisted living facility and seems sort of okay with that—more so than I expected. And I liked the place more than I expected. We were all over there Friday or Saturday (the days have run together) to see her little suite, but by yesterday the management cut down access. Visitors can’t go into the facility, but she can still go out. I’m supposed to see her today, and she wants to “go gaming,” which I didn’t think much about when she mentioned it yesterday but which now I realize is insane.
Mom is still mentally alert, but she is oblivious about the coronavirus. She is not a Foxbot, but probably what little news she watches she gets from Fox. Yesterday she said she wanted to sell her house quickly and get it over with, and I said we’d have to see how things go with the coronavirus. She said, “Why would that affect someone buying a house?” Like I said, oblivious.
Plusses from this trip:
Okay, I’m going to call Bro’ Man and check in with him before they leave for the airport. And then later I’m going to call my mother and suggest something besides going to a casino. Maybe a drive into the desert; she always likes that.
@Mai naem mobile: I wonder if the only thing that will arrest the markets’ slide is Trump resigning.
We could be in that position.
@Immanentize: thanks for the offer–very kind of
you.the irony is that i socially distanced and stocked up ‘fast and furious” plus my ex lives down the street, so i have ready back up.
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Hey, you could always join me at Costco and serve samples. Assuming that they ever start up again.
True. Except they are completely incapable of either of those things.
@Elizabelle: He was apparently expecting the Fed action to goose the market upwards. Clueless.
A country-wide unemployment support payout and/or a freeze on debt payments until the situation is resolved would go a long way toward letting “everything fall into place”. Too bad we’re incapable as a country of doing that thanks to the GOP.
I agree on the low interest rate – but it is just a habit. Do you think he is even paying on ANY loan he has with DeutscheBank? What are they going to do? Foreclose?
Friend of mine returned from Austria on Tuesday last week. They did no screening of any kind at customs, just let him walk on out when he flew in to Newark airport.
Outside of DC, we federal workers are not being allowed to telework. I’m about to step out the door to ride a commuter train to my 18-story federal building where about 900 people work in cubicle farms.
@Mai naem mobile: they need to gear up like we did after Pearl Harbor and fuck the GOP motto- we can’t do anything- it’s bs
@eric: I just sent email to West of the Rockies and included your BJ email. If that’s not a valid email address, let me know. thanks
(Haven’t read to the bottom to see if anyone else has done something similar, but better twice than not at all.)
half dozen or so cans of refried beans.
I have eight or ten cans of frijoles, partly because flour tortillas keep so much better than bread. And hot sauce, while not immortal, will last for many months.
@mrmoshpotato: i’m all for kielbasa!
I’d sautee the peppers and onions and spices a bit first myself.
I am allergic to a lot of stuff, and it is full-on spring here. Stuff is blooming. I have a lot of snot and a sore throat from post-nasal drip.
Same here. I’m doing a spreadsheet graph of twice-per-day oral temperature for self-monitoring.
Currently, my favorite cooking videos are the Mi Ranchito series
@lee: But even with a two week cycle they may come in without symptoms. Let’s say coworker A has their 2 week cycle, they somehow are exposed to the virus during the first week, they will begin showing symptoms during their first week back at the office. I think a longer period is good in that you settle into a rhythm rather than having it changed after only a week.