A devastating report in the NY Times:
“Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”
Read the entire damning report.
donnah
I read the article and while I had already heard a lot of the information and evidence that it contains, seeing it spelled out clearly in a timeline with lots of collaboration enraged me. Everyone should read it and quote it when Trump or any of his team of liars tries to claim they have done their best. They knew. They all knew and they blew it off. And people have died because of Trump’s ineptitude and willful disregard for anyone other than himself.
He threw an entire nation under the bus.
Misamericanthrope
It all comes back to the fact that he’s a lazy lard-ass that just watches TV all day.
chopper
i would love for the history books to lay all of this bullshit at the feet of trump and the GOP, but that assumes that trump and the GOP don’t end up writing the history books. god, fuck this fucking year.
burnspbesq
The question is which state AG has the stones to prosecute him for criminally negligent homicide, and whether any state trial court judge is willing to take the 1973 and 2000 OLC memos and shove them up Barr’s ass.
NotMax
“Didn’t read that. Hannity was on.”
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bbleh
@Misamericanthrope: He’s not merely a lazy lard-ass that just watches TV all day; he’s a pathologically insecure lazy lard-ass that just watches TV all day, and his pathology is so severe that his behavior is frankly sociopathic.
SiubhanDuinne
The kindest words that come to mind are “depraved indifference.”
And I’m not feeling kind.
TheOtherHank
I feel like it’s time to say this again: Fuck that fucking fucker.
Mallard Filmore
@chopper:
The economic crash has just started. I do not see any way short of abandoning the Constitution that the GOP stays in charge.
A Ghost to Most
Obligatory “Wolverines!”.
joel hanes
The article goes too easy on Trump.
It does not highlight the way in which he deliberately played down the seriousness of the problem because he thought that it would make him “look bad”.
As if FDR had sought to suppress the news of an attack on a remote island, because he thought it would negatively affect his popular approval.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@burnspbesq:
If he loses this November, Barr won’t be able to do jack shit, as I understand
L85NJGT
I’m not sure we can survive another nine months of this. And by “we”, I mean humanity.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Mallard Filmore:
This is an important point. However, economists I’ve heard have said that the economy should snap back relatively quickly as this downturn is artificial in nature. That being said, I don’t think social distancing measures are going to be relaxed too much before June and I think business will be slow to return because less people will be willing to go out to restaurants
Kattails
I’m sorry, but Trump took “aggressive action to confront…”? I must have dozed off for the last month. The only thing I’ve seen him do that would qualify for that would be attacking the Dems, stiffing the people who didn’t suck up to him, and doing whatever he’s done behind the scenes to enrich himself off this. The action to confront the danger, on the other hand, has been mostly done by the governors and medical personnel.
As mentioned in a previous thread, in addition to baby blankets & bamboo crafts, one of Ivanka’s Chinese trademarks is for coffins. I’m really not sure how much more ghoulish things can get.
senyordave
Negligent homicide could be part of an ad. Explain the definition and what Trump did. He killed people because of his lying.
Ohio Mom
Goku: I imagine that there will be some pent up demand that will initially goose the economy as businesses start to open back up, but there will be many people who won’t have jobs to go back to, and lots of people who have big financial holes to dig themselves out of. It’s going to be tough going for a long while.
MisterForkbeard
I knew (or thought I did) about all this already, but I had to stop reading about 30% of the way through. It was incredibly infuriating and enraging to read about constant failure due to venality, corruption, distrust of experts, infighting and all around incompetence.
So much incompetence. These are the worst people, all of them. And their evil is worse than the sum of their parts.
James E Powell
Maybe I’m just too filled with rage, but I did not think that article was devastating at all. Sure, it wasn’t the full blown defense that we would get from FOX or a right-wing publication, but it went soft on him at times. They gave his explanations and excuses without pointing out that they were not true. They quote his people lying without any context or correction.
None of that is true, but you wouldn’t know it from the NYT.
The writers say
Really? You think? In what ways and why?
Key things missing from the article include the words lie, lied, and lying. They don’t mention his claim that this was all a hoax (another word missing from the article), a claim that was spread so thick and loud by FOX and RW radio that it is still widely believed. At times, Trump is portrayed with some sympathy.
So it was all those divided factions, not our ignorant, bigoted, a-hole president.
This article is the first step on the road to “Trump, Chastened by Crisis, Grows into a Great Leader” as we round into the general election. I really hope I’m wrong, but I cannot be optimistic about the press/media. They love Trump and they will be working very hard to keep him where he is.
danielx
@Mallard Filmore:
Mr. Filmore? The Wisconsin Supreme Court would like to have a word with you…..
Ohio Mom
Goku: Been waiting for a thread we were both on to ask you, How is school going? Are you going to be able to graduate on time?
I see the health care sector is laying people off, I assume that is because various out-patient clinics are closed for the duration, or only seeing very urgent cases. Will this affect your job-hunt?
cain
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Who is going to protect Barr? We need to go after him as well. Then we start the defenestration of Trump officials that are in the federal govt.
Gravenstone
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Barr would do for Trump as he did for Bush I, tell him how to direct the pardons to protect himself and his family.
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
Yeah, but, but… Yeah, but, but, but… But it wasn’t the president’s fault!
He didn’t screw up! Honest! He ran out of gas! He… He had a flat tire! He didn’t have enough money for cab fare! His tux didn’t come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town!
Someone stole his car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! It wasn’t his fault, I swear to God!
Another Scott
@James E Powell: Maggie is a coauthor (3 on the list, IIRC). The slant was baked in from the start.
Grr…
I’ve tried a few times to read it without a subscription, but I see from the helpful comments here that it’s not worth the trouble.
Cheers,
Scott.
sukabi
@donnah: it takes time to get all avenues of grift up and running. That’s how the entire gop spent January and February.
L85NJGT
@James E Powell:
It is institutional at that dump. Hunter Thompson was making the same points about their perfidy over Watergate fifty years ago. They’ll join in the pile on when it becomes blazingly self evident Trump is hopelessly fucked, but they will never take point against a Republican POTUS. Not now, not ever.
Redshift
@bbleh: And he’s reinforced by a conservative movement that has spent decades undermining the very idea that expertise matters at all; an expert is “just another opinion.” And has embraced conspiratorial thinking; if you can dig up any evidence a person is anything but a conservative partisan, their views can be dismissed as “biased” and you can continue with what you prefer to believe.
joel hanes
@Mallard Filmore:
I do not see any way short of abandoning the Constitution that the GOP stays in charge.
GOP: acceptable
danielx
@James E Powell:
Of course he was, because that’s the way he likes it – that’s his management style, if style you can call it. Among his many other insufferable qualities he’s a really shitty manager, which his record shows in nauseating detail. If he was still a reality show host it wouldn’t matter. Unfortunately for us, the current unpleasantness calls for someone with superlative management skills, along with brains and strategic vision.
Instead we have…It.
Jeffro
Where.
Is.
My.
Bat?
Mallard Filmore
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): As much as I hope you are correct, a large segment of the economy is based on entertainment. Movies, sports, resorts, even eating out. Many states depend on tourism for business and taxes. These will go through a staggering change of operation.
We are over the event horizon now and cannot depend on the old rules.
Martin
But her emails…
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Gravenstone:
He can’t pardon himself from state crimes
danielx
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):
And the dog ate all those detailed written plans on what to do and who was to do it in the event of a pandemic! Hoocoodanode?
Mallard Filmore
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
And hopefully extraordinary rendition to The Hague will be an option. Baby snatching, child trafficking … after WW-II the Allies executed people for doing these things.
Sebastian
@L85NJGT:
They are complicit. At this point I am done with the nuances. Firing squad and be done with it.
Keith P
“Coronavirus determined to infect.”
trollhattan
@Misamericanthrope:
Golf will sue the everloving shit out of you for saying he only watches teevee.
Another Scott
Cheers,
Scott.
JMG
@James E Powell: Article is devastating. Quotes from Trumpers (funniest were the Jared was against it all supplied to Maggie from Javanka) are all that let this get in the paper because Times will both sides destruction of Earth by space invaders. They believe in both sides more than in the First Amendment or life itself. But the real reporting is pretty damning.
Mallard Filmore
@danielx:
??? Can you please add some context ???
Misamericanthrope
@trollhattan: HAHA! Bring it!
Jinchi
16 million people have already lost their jobs and are going to start missing payments their bills. Even if we snap back in a month, they won’t all just have those jobs waiting for them on the other end. Not everyone can take a 1-2 month hit to their income. Best case scenario is still bad, and that assumes a government that’s actively working to get them back on their feet.
Redshift
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think the economy could come back fairly quickly once there’s a vaccine, if we had a government that understood that we need the federal government to basically supply money to replace salaries for the part of the economy that can’t operate until then. Instead, we have ideologues who don’t believe in government and worship business, and are too corrupt and incompetent to get it done even if they did believe in it. So, yeah, it’s going to be really bad until we have Democrats in charge.
cmorenc
@Mallard Filmore:
That’s sort of the GOP game plan, except instead of abandoning the Constitution, they’re going to impose a radical re-interpretation of it (with the help of the five right-wing SCOTUS justices and the minions freshly appointed to lower federal judgeships) such as to make it electorally difficult to dislodge the GOP from effective control, and judicially difficult to challenge the rightward-revamped regime.
The Thin Black Duke
Let a thousand lawsuits bloom.
Sebastian
@Jinchi:
There is no snapping back. The entire restaurant industry has suffered a lethal injury. An overwhelming majority of restaurants is closed for good, those millions of jobs are not coming back.
dmsilev
@Martin: If anything, she was over-prepared.
cmorenc
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
But what are the odds that so long as the GOP holds the Governorship in Florida, Gov DeSantis (or his successor) will honor attempts by other states to extradite post-Presidential Trump from Florida for prosecution? And when other states attempt to hold Florida to its extradition obligations, what are the odds the current SCOTUS will come up with some novel federalism (which translates to states rights!) + high office immunity doctrine to create a special exception the extradition laws?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ohio Mom:
I should, absolutely! My university has implemented a relaxed grading scale and the faculty have been very accommodating and helpful. We’re having some virtual meeting probably to discuss pinning and commencement
As for the job search, I’m sure I won’t have too much trouble. I’m not exactly thrilled to be going into the job market with this virus out and about. I think I might have a fatty liver because my liver enzymes are always slightly elevated and people with liver problems are at increased risk.
A few years ago I found out I had latent TB as well which was only discovered because I was entering the nursing program. Took a round of rifampin and have tested negative ever since. No idea how I ever got it in the first place. Makes you wonder how many people could have it and not know
Mike in NC
20,000 dead Americans from the Trump Virus tonight. So much winning!
sdhays
When did this start happening, because I haven’t yet see much “aggressive action to confront the danger the nation [is] facing” coming out of the White House? What has Dump done?
Which Senator said that we don’t have a national response? That statement continues to stick with me. We have a floundering federal government that is doing stuff, some of it somewhat helpful to some people, but mostly just getting in the way.
And we still get subjected to a discussion of whether and when Dump is going to “reopen the country”, even though he had NO INPUT ON CLOSING IT. Not a single governor is going to listen to Donny Dump if he advocates rescinding stay at home orders unless their own people think it’s ok too. Even Republicans. We might see some stupid Republican governors open up too soon and sloppily, but that won’t be Dump’s decision. He’s impotent. All he has is interference and stealing and trying to shift blame for things his empty mind can’t and won’t attempt to understand. And that’s what we’re stuck with until next January, unless he is suddenly no longer President (although I don’t think Dense will be much better)
ETA: Oh, I forgot about when he fucked up his own announcement of the travel ban with Europe. He said that trade was banned as well, even though it wasn’t, that Americans wouldn’t be able to come back, even though they were, and he left out the UK and Ireland for a few days for no reason other than to give a middle finger to the EU and protect places with Dump-branded properties.
jonathan w fine
he did not take aggressive action they just suggested actions that he hoped to lift in two weeks
Mallard Filmore
@cmorenc:
I still do not see how the GOP will survive the coming economic crash without some outrageous fuckery. Stuff so bad that many countries will trade with us only if we pay cash, or gold.
Brace for impact.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@cmorenc:
I don’t think we should worry ourselves over what the GOP might do. If they try such a blatant move then we’ll need to pack the Supreme Court and fill as many judicial appointments as possible, provided we have the Senate
danielx
@Mallard Filmore:
That would be the court that ruled the Wisconsin primary had to be an in-person process only, covid-19 be damned – because voting by mail would increase voter participation. Republicans in the Wisconsin Lege couldn’t have that, doncha know, because that would mean more of those people might be able to vote – even if that meant only five polling stations were open in Milwaukee instead of the usual 180.
They don’t give a fiddler’s fuck for the Constitution or democracy. Retaining power is the be-all and end-all and the will of the people be damned.
L85NJGT
@danielx:
Snake eyes – a complete lack of leadership characteristics and management skills.
But bubba (and our true lefty betters) don’t like no student government squishes.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@cmorenc:
Presumably, the federal government, in Democratic hands, would get involved and force Florida to comply
Mallard Filmore
@danielx: ok. thanks.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Mallard Filmore:
@Jinchi:
@Redshift:
As you’ve all said, yes a lot of jobs will be lost for quite awhile and the economy’s probably going to be shit far past November
debbie
I’m pdf’ing the article for when I feel strong enough to read it. Already the title is a cop out: “He Should Have Seen What Was Coming,” not this “Could” nonsense.
feebog
Trumpov desperately wants to “reopen” the economy. Meaning he will fuck this up big time by trying to get Red state Governors to lift their stay-at-home orders. The result will be a second, even more devastating wave of infections. No one knows if this virus will go dormant during the warmer months. No one knows if a person who has had the disease is fully immune. Hell, because there has been zero emphasis on testing, no one knows who has had the virus for certain. So, even though Trump tries to get things back to some semblance of normal, enough blue state governors are going to resist, at least through May. We are headed for a major recession, perhaps even a depression. And nothing Trumpov does will stop it.
Nelle
@Mike in NC: Are you in contact with Mike Franken at all? I’m getting concerned because the DNC candidate, Greenfield,who is getting money from Bain Capital (???) is running big ads and building name recognition, while he apparently doesn’t have the money to do so. I’m more confident that he can beat Ernst than Greenfield (is that why Bain is giving her money?) but the primary is coming up and he can’t get out and meet people.
Adam L Silverman
If you want to really get a feel for the emails being sent and by whom, read through this long Twitter thread by the NY Times’ Eric Lipton who posted a lot of them in this thread:
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@cmorenc:
In addition to packing the Court, in that case, the Administration and other state governments in Democratic hands should just straight up ignore the SCOTUS’ decision because it’s blatantly self-serving on it’s face. It should be hammered home to all Americans that the five conservative justices are not acting in the public’s common interest and are don’t give a shit about the Constitution or the rule of law
Ohio Mom
Goku: That’s all great news about finishing school and graduating — happy to hear it!
Ohio Son had the beginning of fatty liver and was put on Metformin, I think that is a pretty standard approach. It’s working well for him.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Adam L Silverman:
Umm, shouldn’t they have censored the person’s name to protect their identity!? Unless Lawler is alright with it?
James E Powell
@Mallard Filmore:
Factor the in-fighting, because we are going to have that whether we want it or not.
Also include at least three senate committees and the special prosecutor appointed by Barr feeding juicy leaks about Hunter Biden that the NYT makes central to the whole campaign.
Meanwhile the NYT and the WaPo will have a bidding war for the rights to run front page excerpts from Tara Reade’s new book. They are going to fight like hell to keep Trump right where he is, producing hot content every day.
SFAW
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Unless they mean “relatively quickly” in geologic terms, then you need to listen to better economists.
Adam L Silverman
@joel hanes:
Actually, there has been a persistent conspiracy theory on the paleoconservative and far right in the US since December 1941 that FDR received a flash transmission that was sent from the USS Dolphin and passed all the way up to him at the White House. The conspiracy theory goes hat the Dolphin’s last message was that they had spotted the Japanese strike force underway to attack Hawaii and that FDR buried the warning so that he’d have an excuse to take the US into World War II.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@James E Powell:
They probably will, but that’s not going make all the dead bodies disappear or economy magically go back to way it was a few months ago, shitty as it was already
L85NJGT
We were headed for a recession in any event – he should have taken a milder one early last year, but he’s too much of a dumb fuck, ego maniac, and hopelessly leveraged. The Fed liquidity injections in Q4 were a big red flag. When the global economy starts acting like a junkie who needs an ever larger hit to get off… that ain’t good.
mrmoshpotato
Seven weeks of warnings ignored by this traitorous orange shitstain. Any more information is diarrhea icing on a shit cake.
Bon appefucktheseassholes.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ohio Mom:
Thanks! Happy to hear your son is doing better
L85NJGT
@Adam L Silverman:
Of course there is the issue he gutted HHS, so even if he was of a mind to do something….
The Thin Black Duke
Thing is, if Trump kept his mouth shut, got out of the way and let the smart people do what they need to do to get the country back on track, most likely he’d survive this clusterfuck and get re-elected. But that won’t happened because Trump will continue to do stupid things, because that’s what he does, over and over again because he can’t help himself. Fortunately for the rest of us, Trump will always be his own worse enemy.
Ksmiami
@TheOtherHank: nah – Hang that fucking fucker works better here.
Adam L Silverman
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I have no idea.
Adam L Silverman
@L85NJGT: Details…
Redshift
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
It was part of a government process that he was publicly part of (even if the details of the discussion weren’t public.) So, no.
Ksmiami
@cmorenc: then we dislodge them by any means necessary- the Constitution ain’t a suicide pact. If the Federal government no longer serves or derived legitimacy from the citizens it must be obliterated
Bill Arnold
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
You might want to read this piece:
Shockwave – Adam Tooze on the pandemic’s consequences for the world economy (16 April 2020 edition, London Review of Books)
It’s an easy read, with some details.
joel hanes
@Adam L Silverman:
I have seen that theory, but never from a credible historian.
Ksmiami
@Sebastian: Show trials and executions – all of them Katie
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
I know Trump’s plan is to blame it all on the Democrats for impeachment, but I bet if he’d taken this seriously from the beginning and held a news conference warning of the danger to the country, impeachment would have been diminished practically overnight.
Ksmiami
@Jeffro: hiding behind my guillotine…
debbie
@joel hanes:
Actually, my freshman history professor started the semester with that theory, right after he told us we’d all been brainwashed in high school.
Jeffro
@The Thin Black Duke: He was already underwater even before Covid-19 became a thing. There’s been no rally-’round-the-flag (at least, nothing that lasted more than a day). He’s effed, even if he doesn’t realize it yet.
The Blue Wave is coming for its fourth consecutive win, and nothing (save the outright voter suppression initiatives that the trumpublicans are cooking up) can stop that. Fight like hell and also bank on it.
Adam L Silverman
@joel hanes: I’m not saying it’s credible, I’m saying the same anti-New Dealers whose ideological descendants now make up the GOP and movement conservatism have been recycling it since the 1940s.
Jeffro
@Ksmiami: Oh, whew – ok.
I’ll be over here helping out with the second-stringers. You go ahead.
Ksmiami
@Jeffro: leave no survivors. remember the current GOP is a crop of vampires and cannot be allowed to rise again.
mrmoshpotato
@Mike in NC: I was sick of the winning with Dump’s Muslim ban.
Ohio Mom
This is anecdotal: There are a few various things in Ohio household that have broken or worn out in the past month, and when the stores open again, I’ll be replacing them. And we will all be getting haircuts. That will add up to a few more dollars circulating in the economy.
But the bigger purchases I thought we were ready to make, like rebuilding the patio that got ripped out when we had the basement fixed, and that family summer vacation?
We’d be foolish to spend that kind of money when it’s obvious the country/world is entering big economic downturn. And we won’t be the only ones holding back, which will just add to the downward momentum.
mrmoshpotato
@debbie: Even “should” is a copout. How about “Traitorous Orange Soviet Shitpile Mobster Conman Ignores COVID-19 Warning”
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Did those geniuses check the kerning on that alleged message?
FelonyGovt
@sdhays: And remember the people who flocked back from overseas in a panic, crowding together at the airports without any attempt made to test them for COVID19 or even take temperatures?
mrmoshpotato
@FelonyGovt: Wheeee!!!! Ugh.
mrmoshpotato
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: He doesn’t think that way.
Adam L Silverman
@SFAW: Not that I’m aware of.
Fair Economist
@feebog:
We know, absolutely, that it won’t go dormant because it’s spreading actively in many tropical countries.
L85NJGT
@SFAW:
I think it’s projection. MacArthur was their boy:
Then there was the Eighth Army shit show fail parade in Korea 1950. The man may have been a deft colonial administrator, but when tasked with preparing an army for the field, he failed, twice.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
He’s his own failure.
Zelma
What’s North America going to look like politically in ten years or so? Maybe sooner if Trump pulls out another electoral college victory in November.
Well, clearly, there is going to be a Republic of the West. Certainly California, Oregon, and Washington. I suspect that Nevada and Colorado will Join. Third or fourth largest economy in the world. Maybe a Mormon Republic of Utah, Idaho and northern Arizona.
And then there will be the Republic of the East. I suspect that New York, New Jersey, and New England will be just fine. I’m not sure about Pennsylvania. It’s a weird state. I know; I lived there for 40 years. I worry about Maryland, Delaware and Virginia. Where will they be when DC becomes city without its main industry?
Texas will rise again and maybe take Oklahoma with it. I worry about Democratic New Mexico and purple Arizona.
I suppose the old Northwest Territory will coalesce with Chicago as its capital. Clearly the Old Confederacy will emerge, but I think that Georgia and Florida will opt out. I’m not sure about North Carolina either. As for the middle of the country, well, it’s got all those cows.
OK, this is crazy stuff, but it’s amazing that three years of Trump, the Republican Party and one pandemic have called into question the legitimacy of the national government of the “United” States of America. How to destroy a great country in three years!
Ksmiami
@Zelma: if the Federal Government cannot mobilize to protect the citizens it’s worthless
mrmoshpotato
@Zelma: What the crackpipe, Batman?
rikyrah
He?knew ?in? NOVEMBER ?
???
eddie blake
@mrmoshpotato:
newsom’s already called california a ‘nation-state’.
Jackie
@Fair Economist: I believe the only continent unaffected is Antartica?
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: There’s something hinky about the reporting on that military intel report. I know that NBC and CNN have now corroborated ABC’s initial reporting, but the timelines seem way, way off based on all the other info we have.
frosty
@Zelma: That’s a recipe for civil war. Bakersfield won’t go along with what LA and SF want. Neither will upstate NY with NYC. The only difference in PA is that the urban areas barely outnumber the rural. That’s your divide. State boundaries won’t matter if the USA fragments.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@eddie blake: We have “California Republic” on our state flag.
Sebastian
@rikyrah:
That’s exactly it. You distilled it down to one succinct deadly statement. Let’s start making memes.
eddie blake
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
good to know. i’m a resident of the empire state, so we might be good to go too.
Sebastian
@rikyrah:
Here you go Rikyrah.
https://imgflip.com/i/3wbl5v
MomSense
I want the traitorous bastard to hang for this.
Sebastian
@Ksmiami:
Not willing to give up on the rule of law just yet, bud. Maybe that’s en vogue in Petersburg but not here.
Firing squads nevertheless. These are crimes committed against the United States of America by an agent of Russia.
RAM
I don’t think he had any idea what people were talking about when he was told about COVID. It was so far outside anything he’d ever had to deal with that I don’t think he could wrap his mind around it, and I don’t think he understands what’s going on to this day. As for responding to the crisis, Trump only understands doing things TO people. Doing something FOR people, especially people he doesn’t personally know, is, again, completely outside his frame of reference. This is the danger of giving a mentally disturbed person with criminal tendencies the power of life and death over hundreds of millions of people.
Dan B
@Mallard Filmore: WA state is the most trade dependent state. Much of it was due to Boeing but it’s trade with Asia. I don’t know how that comes back if the economy is in shambles. Seattle got a handle on social distancing but it’s still seeing new cases and only a tiny hint at bending the curve.
A little chic neighborhood near us has many boarded up shops and restaurants with for lease signs. Commercial leases were pricing out restaurants. It doesn’t look good for commercial real estate even though Amazon is booming. And the poorer areas of the state are probably going to be plunged into depression for years. Will our GOP take advantage of the gulf between wealthy Seattle and the poor counties?