Trump's descent didn't stop when he got to the bottom of that escalator. He's shown there's no depth he won't sink to — and no depth he won't drag our country to along with him. pic.twitter.com/fnHqUFtrgy
— DNC War Room (@DNCWarRoom) June 16, 2020
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Elections have wonderful consequences. https://t.co/Ru2b7bcEBl
— Greg Pinelo (@gregpinelo) June 16, 2020
Close enough, if the national attention doesn’t jinx it:
… “It’s time we elevate this,” Northam said of the June 19 commemoration. “Not just a celebration by and for some Virginians but one acknowledged and celebrated by all of us.”
The Democratic governor is giving every executive branch employee this Friday off as a paid holiday and will work with the legislature later this year to pass a law codifying Juneteenth as a permanent state holiday. The legislation is likely to pass the Democratic-controlled legislature with little trouble…
The announcement came less than two weeks after Northam announced he was ordering the removal of a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee along Richmond’s prominent Monument Avenue. It is one of the country’s most iconic monuments to the Confederacy. Earlier this year, Northam signed legislation scrapping Lee-Jackson Day, a state holiday named after two Confederate generals…
Northam was joined Tuesday at his news conference by musician Pharrell Williams, who is from Virginia. Williams said Juneteenth deserves the same level of recognition and celebration as Independence Day.
“Here’s our day, and if you love us, it’ll be your day too,” Williams said.
In a statement, state House Republican Leader Todd Gilbert echoed the same sentiments.
“July 4th is the birthday of our nation, but Juneteenth is the day where it truly began to fulfill its promise of freedom for all,” Gilbert said. “For the first time since enslaved Africans landed at Jamestown in 1619, the chains of bondage were finally cast off.”…
It is extremely funny that the God Emperor of internet dipshits is losing by double digits to a guy live streaming from his den. https://t.co/JMLPRIUEcY
— Zeddy (@Zeddary) June 17, 2020
Oh, having an ice cream somewhere, using one hand to lift it to his face, chuckling happily as he watches you clowns crash and burn, I presume… https://t.co/t0zQvdJukz
— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) June 17, 2020
NotMax
A moment of solemnity in memory of the sinking of the transport Lancastria, 80 years ago today.
Largest loss of lives from a single incident in the British navy. Estimates vary but usually range between 3000 and 4000 dead from this one sinking. Churchill at the time had news of it suppressed.
Baud
Gravenstone
Gotta love the presumption that just because Trump steps on every rake in sight when he opens his mouth/tweets, that Biden would do the same. Granted, they’re assuming that their media supplicants will aid them in smearing Biden once he assumes a more public posture, and not without precedent.
Baud
Baud
The next Biden ad should feature him walking unassisted down a ramp while drinking water with one hand.
prostratedragon
Let’s get ready to fumbu-u-u-u-lll!
Chyron HR
@Baud:
“Nooooo you can’t just pass legislation to improve society, you have to say our buzzwords!”- AOC, probably
Baud
While I hope for a whopping Biden win in November, a lot of awful people will claim that Hillary should have won by the same amount, blaming her for their own misogyny and their decision to indulge in their own privilege rather than protect the country.
It’s unfortunate that Trump didn’t kill a couple of thousand Americans in 2016, or maybe we would be in the mess.
JPL
@Baud: Great idea!
Baud
@Chyron HR:
I’m told that “defund the police” makes Democrats look reasonable when they propose alternatives to it. I’m going to go with that theory because it seems to be working.
low-tech cyclist
Another anniversary:
June 17, 1972. Nine o’clock Saturday morning. Early for the telephone. Woodward fumbled for the receiver and snapped awake.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Brachiator
From the “No shit, Sherlock” file.
And of course, no masks.
Government officials, take a bow.
Why this will keep happening.
It’s going to be a long summer. But like the Orange God Emperor says, “There are no cases if people don’t get tested.”
Jinchi
The last two Republican presidents lead America to fiscal disaster. The last two Democratic presidents lead America to prosperity.
It’s amazing how deeply ingrained the idea is that any Americans still think Republicans are better than Democrats on the economy.
tom
A new Lincoln Project ad went up this morning, and it is vicious. https://youtu.be/1-g1CVtUX-4
Baud
Trump.
rikyrah
@Baud:
The Lincoln Project just did that.
You know, if Biden did it, the Village would question his ‘civility’??
Jinchi
@Baud: People are pushing hard to move the Overton window to the left.
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
SiubhanDuinne
This WaPo headline made me laugh:
I probably should have put it in the morning Covid-19 thread, huh?
rikyrah
@Brachiator:
All of them ???
To work
Back home
That is all I have energy for ??
Baud
@Jinchi: Agreed. National security polling is usually just as skewed. Worldviews are really sticky.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: RIP
Baud
@Jinchi: I don’t care, as long as it doesn’t become destructive.
rikyrah
@Baud:
You mean because Biden won’t ENDANGER the lives of innocents???
mrmoshpotato
Good times.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Rep. Clyburn keeps on telling them…
Don’t let these ,’ defund the Police’ muthaphuckas ? hijack your positive movement
rikyrah
@SiubhanDuinne:
?????
Baud
@rikyrah:
Real presidents have to make hard choices, rikyrah. Everyone in the Village understands that.
Butter Emails
@Jinchi:
George Bush Senior also ended his only term in recession. Not nearly as bad as the past 2 morons and probably unavoidable due to factors at the time, but his response to it was a bit lacking.
mrmoshpotato
@Chyron HR: Silly Chyron!
“Defund the police” is crystal clear. And no, it does not mean to actually defund the police, but to reform police departments and take away their military-grade toys.
See? Clarity!
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Finally some good news for men who suffer from premature ejaculation.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Probably true story from the past passed down at one of the alma maters involved a group of students petitioning the Dean of Women to increase to 60 minutes from 30 the amount of time female students were allowed to have male visitors in their rooms.
They asked, “What could they possibly do in 60 minutes they couldn’t in 30?”
Her reply, “They could do it twice.”
Lapassionara
@low-tech cyclist: Thanks for the reminder. I happened to be in NYC that morning, and I saw the headline about a burglary at the Democratic HQ in the Watergate complex. It seemed strange to me at the time, and it was only the first of many strange headlines over the next two years.
good morning, everyone.
rikyrah
mrmoshpotato
@low-tech cyclist: And so started Watergate-gate. (Am I gating this right?)
Krope, the Formerly Dope
Trump portrayed the economy as horrible during the 2016 election while we were actually in a record-breaking period of job creation. Then, before he had done a damn thing, he started taking credit for low unemployment and a soaring stock market.
Do you think the people who bought into this beyond-cynical BS really care that Trump managed to crater the economy in 3 years? They aren’t seriously answering the question. They’re declaring loyalty.
Baud
@mrmoshpotato:
It’s Watergate-ghazi, boomer.
JPL
@rikyrah: I didn’t realize that he went at midnight. So did he go twice?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@NotMax: I’m still reading Erik Laron’s THE SPLENDID AND THE VILE about Churchill in WWII. I’m up to early 1940. Roosevelt is trying to pass the Lend-Lease Act while Churchill really wants the US to enter the war. It’s interesting to read about events while knowing how long he has to wait for that to happen.
Jinchi
Except on the economic question, he’s polling better than the percentage of people who intend to vote for him.
RSA
I’m kind of gobsmacked about the strategy, “Please pay more attention to my opponent!”
Butter Emails
@mrmoshpotato:
I think it’s bad framing, but it has its uses. As noted above, it gives cover to our politicians to go “wait a minute, defunding the police is a bad idea. We need police. Here’s a list of reforms (which are essentially what 90% of people mean when saying defund) ”
I would also say that it’s becoming obvious that certain police departments do need to be disbanded and rebuilt.
rikyrah
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
I love the ad — but why in the world do they call Trump’s unplanned visit to Walter Reed a “midnight run”? It took place in the middle of the afternoon. There’s no need for the good guys to layer in untruths like this just to make things sound even more sinister and clandestine than it already is.
Bruce K
@SiubhanDuinne: Heh – hadn’t seen that in my perusal of Greek news. But on a related note, I discovered something that might give certain “very fine people” pause:
Apparently now in Greece, if, through your own negligence, you cause the death of someone else by COVID-19, you can be imprisoned for up to ten years.
If, through your own negligence, you cause the death of multiple people by COVID-19, you can be imprisoned for life.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud: Boomer Esiason?
Baud
@RSA: I’m not gobsmacked by that at all. Media attention on EMAILS! helped get Trump elected. The media focusing on Biden can help make the conversation about Biden’s imperfections rather than Trump’s gross incompetence and manifest horribleness.
mrmoshpotato
@Butter Emails:
And rebuilt.
“Defund the police” doesn’t address this. It’s a terrible slogan.
Brachiator
@Jinchi:
Part of this recently was because Trump’s message was clear, even if it was phony and simplistic. “I’m going to save jobs, I’m going to bring jobs back to America, and I’m going to punish the foreign countries that stole your job. And then I’m going to cut your taxes.”
I think that the Democrats need to emphasize Trump’s lies and failures. But I am not sure how they can best craft a simple, but honest message about the economy.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
I’m slowly working my way bit by bit through Second World War Diary – The War Day by Day, which is exactly that, a compendium of events on every single day in sequence, on Prime. Thus far have made it up to sometime in November 1941 so still a long way to go.
Can be dry and rote but packed with info.
Baud
@Brachiator: It’s hard because there isn’t as much consensus on our side on what needs to be done on economic policy.
Bruce K
@SiubhanDuinne: Point of order: the Lincoln Project people aren’t “the good guys” as such, and they’ve played fast and loose with the truth in the past in service of their own agenda (what sort of overlap is there between the Swift Boaters and the Lincoln Project, after all?); they’re Republicans, using Republican tactics, only this time it happens to align with the goals of the Good Guys.
The Good Guys can honestly say that this wasn’t our doing; if the Lincoln Project had asked us, we’d have told them not to do that, but they’re going to war with you guys for their own reasons.
As for the GOP complaining that Biden’s not splashing himself all over the airwaves to distract from Trump’s follies: well, didn’t Napoleon once say to never interrupt an enemy when they’re making a mistake?
Spanky
@SiubhanDuinne: They’re Republicans.
SATSQ
Baud
@Bruce K:
Probably when he was in Russia.
Dorothy A. Winsor
On the Supreme Court decision re LGBTQ job protection, one of the attorneys was interviewed on Pod Save America Monday. The Obama Bros asked if the attorney was surprised to see Gorsuch’s name on the decision, and he said he was more surprised to see Roberts’ because they’d tailored their argument for Gorsuch. They directed it straight to him.
Krope, the Formerly Dope
My guess is that’s the difference between the people who told pollsters they would vote for Trump and those who didn’t, but will vote for Trump in November. I have a hard time believing 17% of voters will vote for someone other than Trump or Biden. There are people right now who either cynically or ignorantly bought Trump’s line on the economy, will respond that they think Trump is better on the economy, but won’t yet state an intent to vote for him because he is being such an asshole.
43% think Trump would be better for economy less 35% who already say they will vote for him, that’s up to 8% of voters.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jinchi:
There was a recession in the second half of H.W. Bush’s term as well. Remember Clinton ran on “It’s the Economy, Stupid”.
SiubhanDuinne
@Bruce K:
@Spanky:
Good point. I know perfectly well the LP folks are Republicans; I just need to remind myself of that fact more often. (And I still wish they hadn’t sullied an otherwise fine ad with an outright falsehood.)
db11
Defang the police!
rikyrah
@mrmoshpotato:
If you have to explain like that, you are letting others hijack your movement ????
Brachiator
@Baud:
It’s not like the Democrats are going to have 3 people running for president. And there is no reason to cede any ground to the GOP. Trump ran on Jobs and the economy as much as he ran on immigration. The Democrats need to take this away from Trump.
mrmoshpotato
Vienna police fine man €500
But why?
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: Exactomundo!
Jinchi
Exactly this. You’ve got a winning argument when you get your critics to explain it to you. And “Defund” is the perfect response in a moment when police across the country are showing just how abusive they can be.
So the protesters shout “Defund the Police” and their critics reply, ‘No. Let’s not defund them. We should demilitarize the police and invest more in community services, instead.’
The defund messaging is so powerful, they have people making the argument without even realizing it.
With all respect to politicians worried about framing: what is their shorthand? “Reform” is meaningless enough that Trump can claim he did it, yesterday.
db11
@rikyrah: I have a slightly different take: I think that the conversation around ‘Defund the police’ has resulted in framing the expanded scope of change that’s required.
It might be a terrible marketing slogan, but it’s been effective as a rhetorical device for expanding and shifting the Overton window on the issue of police violence — and that, because it requires deeper explanation than a simple soundbite.
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
Maybe he had been gorging on Polish candy bars.
;)
Krope, the Formerly Dope
@Baud: From the article:
Suuuuure they are…
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
Ooh, I would pay to see that.
People were posting clips of him running along with some protestors just recently — juxtaposed with The Ramp.
Amir Khalid
@mrmoshpotato:
The guy was obviously a Monty Python fan. “I fart in your general direction!”
TS (the original)
The US election campaigning this year is beginning to look like the campaigns that happen in the rest of the world. TV/social media ads, limited outdoor events and lots of policies. Few politicians are going to be having trump style indoor events.
Politicians having time to do their jobs rather than having to campaign & fund raise for much of their time. What an idea.
db11
@Jinchi:
Exactly. (Black) BLM activists have warned that calls for reform will allow the powers-that-be to pay lip-service to the issue with a few cosmetic changes (which can be later rolled back when attention has shifted), in order to prevent substantive change.
The over-pronounced worry about the slogan is yet another sign of the depth of the political PTSD of Democrats.
eric
I can remember recently reading frantic posts here that Biden needs to get out more…….hey………..wait a minute……..is that you Donald?
Biden is doing the correct strategy. He will appear live on tv with anyone that asks, so there is no way for the networks to say he is ducking attention. This time, let Trump “enjoy” his free media.
Served
The caterwauling over “defund the police” continues on here as cities across the country are clawing back money from police budgets for the first time in decades. Sorry if you don’t like the slogan :'(
mad citizen
@Brachiator: Yup, the Reagan playbook of repeating a bald-faced lie as often as possible and some people eventually accept it as fact. Trump’s “Don’t believe what you see on the news” a corollary.
Re: the 1990-91 recession, that one screwed me up for sure, but Bush the elder doesn’t shoulder much of the blame, in my opinion, but as stated here, I suppose he could have reacted. It was a very short recession (https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/93-2_34-48.pdf). That said, of course I still have no use for Bush the elder or Bush the incurious lesser.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Haha
The rest of that list is ummmm…. interesting too.
mrmoshpotato
@Amir Khalid: He must’ve thought that the police were empty food trough wipers.
mad citizen
@NotMax: These are great. I have some individually-wrapped camel balls in my house right now. I believe I brought them back from Vietnam last year in the before times.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: Do we know that he didn’t go another time? I assume that his campaign would dispute the ad, if it was untrue.
Jinchi
That’s not what the poll says. Most of the truly undecided will either pick one of the two candidates, or decide not to vote at all. If this poll was completely accurate and 48% voted Biden, 35% Trump and the rest stayed home, the final tally would be Biden 58%, Trump 42%. And we’d all be shaking our heads at how inaccurate polling is.
mrmoshpotato
@eric:
Free virus! Get your free virus!
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor: One interesting note to the case — R.G. and G.R. — is that when the Chief Justice (Roberts) is in the majority, he assigns who writes the opinion. (Also true when the Chief is in the minority — whoever is the most senior on the other side assigns that opinion).
That means one of two things: either Roberts originally was on the majority and assigned the case to Gorsuch (a super smart move if true). Or, Bryer assigned Gorsuch and then Roberts decided to later join the majority after reading a draft opinion (smart but not as smart). I’m going with the first explanation — that Roberts was always in the majority.
Kay
@TS (the original):
Agree that if this causes us to rethink how we do campaigns it’s a good thing. Our political campaigns suck. Voters hate them. That seems important to me- that the people the campaigns are supposedly for hate them.
germy
@rikyrah:
Now she’s pissed:
Baud
@db11:
Since most Dems (including Biden) aren’t adopting it as their own, few are “worried” about the slogan. There is worry that the slogan becomes a litmus test for a small percentage of voters, the way “Medicare For All” has.
eric
@Immanentize: Most likely: Roberts asked Gorsuch how he would vote, if not clear from the conference. At which point, Roberts wanted nothing to do with an Alito-like spittle-filled opinion, or Kavanaugh’s “yeah for gays, boo for the Constitution” salvo. Because this is likely never getting undone, Alito gets this opinion in the chapter following Taney.
MagdaInBlack
@germy:
Oooh, I was waiting for her reaction. ?
Kay
@TS (the original):
There’s a variety of campaign-haters who are just annoying- “they’re all the same, I am so world-weary and sophisticated” but there’s a larger group who genuinely hate the whole thing. They do this kind of pleading “I vote and I know they have to campaign but this is AWFUL” – I mean, if you’re spending a billion dollars supposedly to “reach” people should they hate it? Is it possible it could be done differently where they wouldn’t hate it so much?
MattF
@SiubhanDuinne: That Lincoln Project ad will run once on FOX. It is aimed at Trump, personally. I wouldn’t put it past them to put a deliberate inaccuracy in the ad to provoke a bonkers response from Trump.
Elizabelle
And: Aunt Jemima bites the dust. Pepsi owns the brand now, and they admit the branding is based on a racial stereotype.
Since1889.
germy
JPL
@Elizabelle: Wait until Meghan McCain finds out about that. Her day will really be ruined.
Immanentize
For all the worriers about “Refund the Police” how about Refund Guns. That’s really what most Defund folks want. Shrink the armed faction of police forces to a nub so small it can be drowned in a bathtub.
But no one can really get away with “Defund Guns,” can they? People in overly policed communities know exactly what people are saying when they say, Defund Police.
“Were you there when they crucified my Lord” is not a question regarding whether you have an alibi in the year zero.
germy
@MagdaInBlack: She’ll be spitting fire today on The View (if she doesn’t have the day off)
low-tech cyclist
Couldn’t tell you – I’m no expert on gating criteria! ;)
Zzyzx
@db11: that only works if we’re (meaning the Left as a whole) smart enough to not attack the people who are saying “don’t defund the police but…” as sellouts.
germy
@Elizabelle:
cmorenc
@mrmoshpotato:
“Defund the police” is among all-time most stupidly awful, counter-productive ways to frame an important issue. Far better to have framed it as “public safety “.
Jeffro
Let’s face it: when the focus is on trumpov and his words and actions…Dems win.
Keep hanging out in that basement, Uncle Joe! You’re doing great! =
Btw that DNC ad is totes awesome…I didn’t think Democrats knew how to hit hard anymore. My bad!
NotMax
@Elizabelle
“I know! We can rename it Stone Mountain Flapjack Mix!”
“Shut up and sit down, Billy Bob.”
:)
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL: It’s possible, but I’m inclined to think not. The LP folks almost never introduce new information in their ads — they mostly take memes and tropes and images that we’re all familiar with and reframe them for a fresh message. I think they either genuinely forgot that the visit to WR was in the afternoon, or they deliberately called it a “midnight run” hoping that viewers would forget.
Jinchi
It’s a historical fact that there were no scandals in America until Woodward and Bernstein discovered how -gate an otherwise innocuous word.
Immanentize
@eric:.
Hi Eric!!
The conference sets the votes for the opinion assignments. There is (rarely) switching and one can tell from reading the opinions (a dissent suddenly becomes a majority and vice versa). That didn’t happen in this case.
Also, the Justices don’t talk to each other except maybe social gathering chit chat. No one picks up a phone to say howdy. They communicate pretty much exclusively by memo and opinion. Which is perhaps why there are so few Supreme Court murders and attempted murders.
Kay
@Jeffro:
It works for now but Trump still beats Biden on the economy, and I don’t think Biden will accept that without a fight. He seems to take that personally, understandably, he and Obama handed Trump a growing economy. To differentiate on the economy he is going to need “free media”- substantive coverage – and he probably won’t get it because he has gotten virtually no substantive coverage outside Hunter Biden, Tara Reade and now BLM. Maybe it won’t matter but that’s when the lack of coverage (which I don’t think is his fault- they’re choosing not to cover his substantive positions) will hurt him.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That’s because Americans are taught to equate liberal policy with communism and then are to ignorant to understand the Soviet Union was nothing more than a giant arms factory. The Soviet Union failed, therefore socialism failed, never mind the Russian Federation is an economic failure too.
NotMax
@Jinchi
Employing -dome as an appendage never caught on.
;)
TS (the original)
@Kay:
If Biden wins with minimal “old style” campaigning it could be a very positive result for future campaigns. Could also have the result of campaign funds being directed to much better purposes.
It is quite unreal that the trump campaign are complaining about how Biden is campaigning which follows their complaint to CNN about publishing polls that do not favor Trump.
Trump is either asking people to do this or they see it as a way of keeping Trump happy.
germy
Trump Considers Suing His Niece Over Her Tell-All Book, Saying She Signed an NDA
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize:
They’re obviously doing it wrong.
Kay
@Jeffro:
For example, we’re getting no substantive coverage of health care, which is arguably Democrats strongest area – Biden benefits from that (and so do down ticket Democrats) and they don’t get it.
It didn’t matter that it wasn’t covered in the 2018 midterms- they won on it anyway- but the lack of coverage of Joe Biden is not all positive for Joe Biden.
mrmoshpotato
@germy:
Fixed.
Anya
Is there someone who whines more than the vulgarian and his campaign? My god, I don’t understand how the public doesn’t see him as the pathetic whiny asshole he is?
On a slightly different note, I seriously hate that I live in a world where Meghan McCain is a thing.
Anya
@germy: Of course he is
MagdaInBlack
@germy:
While reminding everyone at least 3 times shes the Madonna in waiting ?
Kay
@TS (the original):
Oh, boo hoo. The Donald Trump campaign are pissed that all we get is 24/7 coverage of Donald Trump’s antics? Try being a fucking voter. It’s all we’ve gotten for years.
They’re mad that their absolute dominance in coverage is now a liability? Oh, well. You win some, you lose some.
Brachiator
@TS (the original):
In many countries, campaigns were looking more like US style affairs. In the UK, you had lots of bullshit and funding by the wealthy. Boris Johnson ducked opportunities to talk about policy. India and Brazil at times out-Trumped Trump in simplistic appeals to nationalism and bigotry.
But it will be interesting to see how campaigns change in a post pandemic world.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
Margaret Truman notwithstanding.
https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Supreme-Court-Capital-Crimes-ebook/dp/B07H146LP7/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=truman+murder+supreme+court&qid=1592400244&sr=8-1
danielx
@mad citizen:
Wait, wait, wait…..camel balls?
Elizabelle
Whoa. Today is the fifth anniversary of the 9 murders at Mother Emmanuel AME. The Reverend Clementa Pinckney, and his wonderful congregation.
Backed into that fact in looking at this NY Times, June 2015: op ed by Riche Richardson: Can We Please, Finally, Get Rid of ‘Aunt Jemima’?
Appeared while there was impetus for removing the Confederate flag from the South Carolina statehouse in the aftermath of the murder of 9 African Americans at Mother Emmanuel. Five years ago today.
And: the Daughters of the Confederacy tried again: The US Senate had approved this monument, which somehow was never built:
NOTE: the link is to a 2013 Atlantic article: paywall ahead.
germy
@Immanentize:
Might make a good mystery novel in the Agatha Christie style.
“Nine Little Justices”
(Of course it turns out Kavanaugh is the murderer.)
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Keep Mr. Thornton out of this.
Jeffro
That would be just. epic. I think that must translate into something like 400+ Electoral Votes. Wow.
db11
@Zzyzx: The racism is systemic, so must the change (eventually) be.
If slightly-left-leaning political ‘allies’ aren’t getting in the way of that (with a tired list of watered-down reforms) — and instead are advocating for deep, comprehensive change, but are simply tweaking the messaging — then there is no reason they should be attacked as sell-outs.
And by the way, ‘Defund the police’ isn’t the radical stance on this issue: ‘Abolish the police’ is.
mrmoshpotato
@Jinchi: So true. After all, there was no Teapot Domegate.
Checkmate libtard!
Jeffro
@germy: exactly. People get trained out the wazoo and still do these horrible things. What will get their attention and change their behavior is consequences.
Jinchi
That’s what Trump calls it when he demands national guardsmen clear out the public square. “Public Safety” is another substance-free phrase. You could repaint the stripes in a crosswalk and call it public safety. If you want to change the framing, you’re gonna have to come up with something that actually works and speaks to the specific problem at hand.
NotMax
@mad citizen
Now I want to win the Powerball in order to fund a short story contest wherein that must be used as the opening line for each entry.
:)
;)
germy
@Elizabelle:
photo of the proposed mammy statue:
https://www.shorpy.com/node/25367
mrmoshpotato
@germy: Oh my fucking pumpkin!
(You do you suggestive text!)
Immanentize
@SiubhanDuinne: And don’t forget the Pelican Brief
MattF
@Kay: The media would cover Biden gaffes to ‘balance’ their coverage of Trump gaffes. That’s their narrative. ‘Policy’ never gets coverage.
cmorenc
@Krope, the Formerly Dope:
A substantial-enough portion of whom will simply decide to stay at home this time instead of turning out and voting for Trump as they did in the end last time. Even with all the mal-factors working to undermine Clinton last time, Trump only won last time by essentially pulling an inside straight on the final card, in terms of his slim margin. Doesn’t matter that 95% of Trump’s core support among Rs and Independents stubbornly sticks with him no matter what, it’s not large enough to be able to withstand a 5% erosion, unless Trump and the Rs can de-motivate or suppress a far larger portion of voters who would otherwise turn out for Biden. The latter task is going to be immensely more difficult this time around than it was to make work against Clinton in 2016.
Jeffro
@Kay: I hear you, but I’m not holding my breath. Biden’s nearly tied with trumpov on the economy question, and given all of trumpov’s other deficits, I’ll be happy if Biden can keep it tied.
It’s been so long ago, American-voters’-memory-wise, that I bet a significant percentage of Americans (even Dems and “independents”) really do think the economy was just bumping along until trumpov came along.
The Obama Administration would have done well to do monthly briefings showing things continue to claw back upwards after the Great Recession hit, but oh well. Biden can try to do that now and it’ll help some, but I bet we only ever get to a tie on this issue. Sad!
Ken
The horrible part is it’s not a joke. They even required acceptance of the statement in order to register for the rallies.
cmorenc
@Jinchi:
Whatever the framing is, it can’t be the colossally stupid “defund the police”. That’s not a framing that sells rather than repels outside the core progressive movement, and not even all that well within it.
Immanentize
@germy: But I so wanted the killer to be RBG. Also perhaps David Souter from his farm in New Hampshire? I’ve always pegged him as most likely to have folks buried in his basement.
Jeffro
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: hmm…I think it’s more the perception that Democrats want to raise taxes (“on YOU, citizen! Never mind that they say they want to tax the rich! it’s YOU!”) and spend it on “those people”.
At this point, something like half the country wouldn’t even know what the ‘Soviet Union’ is or was. =)
Jinchi
Hmmm. Obama-dome, spy-dome, climate-dome, pizza-dome.
Not good for scandals. Makes things sound a bit too cool.
Brachiator
@cmorenc:
How do you know they will stay home? Has this happened before in other elections?
How do you measure voter “lack of intent?”
NotMax
@Immanentize
Obligatory?
gene108
Does anyone have experience with applying for unemployment during a furlough?
We are going on a one week furlough each month starting in July.
From what I have seen online, I should be able to get unemployment for the week, but I am wondering if that matched anyone’s actual experience
Jeffro
@Kay: I don’t have actual data on it, but I seem to remember a lot of Dems campaigning on the fact that the GOP was going to eliminate coverage for those with pre-existing conditions (due to ACA repeal). So much so that many Republican candidates flat-out lied and swore they would always double-pinky-swear protect those with pre-existing conditions.
But that was 2018. This time, yes, it would be great to see more coverage of the popular things Biden (and all Dems) stands for.
Kay
@Immanentize:
Boy, this from Ginsburg sure didn’t age well:
Just gob-smacking. I cannot think of a better example of respectful political speech than the protests around the anthem and to dismiss it as “dumb”? Wow. Could not disagree more. She sure hasn’t been vindicated on this opinion.
germy
@Immanentize:
RBG is the one who foils his plan.
Jinchi
@germy: His niece signed an NDA?
Gotta admit, if I were related to Trump, I wouldn’t want to disclose it either.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: I shudder at what the prizes would be.
slightly_peeved
@SiubhanDuinne:
I don’t think they care. If midnight run sounds good, and makes for a punchier ad, then they’ll call it a midnight run.
I think they would argue that they are in the business of making memorable ads that have an emotional effect on their target audience, and that whether those ads are 100% accurate is not really high on their priority list.
JML
Yo Rudy: want to know where Biden is? He’s out winning an election which you haven’t done in over 20 years…
Ken
@germy: Didn’t they all vote against applying the Fairness Doctrine and/or common carrier principles to internet companies? Probably on the grounds that the government shouldn’t be able to tell private companies what they must, or must not, do with their platforms.
MattF
@Jinchi: ‘Yes, I’m his niece. So sue me.’
mrmoshpotato
@Immanentize: Pelicans – going commando until 1992!
Ken
@SiubhanDuinne: They can always argue that they were using “midnight run” metaphorically. It was after all a sudden trip, for reasons that have not been explained.
Baud
Baud
Is “midnight run” better or worse than “defund the police”? Discuss among yourselves.
mrmoshpotato
@Ken: I know. Poor, racist idiots will be dying because of their manbaby God Emperor.
Jeffro
And then there is this, which explains why trumpov desperately wants Uncle Joe out there campaigning…anything…anything, please!
trumpov campaign in free fall
Again, we’ve got to run through the finish line, and it would be great to see Biden get some coverage of his policy positions – which we already know majorities of Americans agree with. But his main policy position is to end the trumpov chaos, and clearly a majority of Americans like that position, a LOT.
TS (the original)
@Brachiator:
I don’t know of any countries – including India & the UK, that campaign 18 months out from an election. In my part of the world campaigns last 6 to 8 weeks, with lack lustre campaigning, despite our current PM is a religious right winger & lover of trump.
I do think brexit had much more to do with the campaign changes in the UK than anything else. That seems to have been a campaign that went on forever with a ridiculous outcome, both in the yes vote & the election of Boris as conservative leader.
NotMax
re: some of the above
Historical tidbit:
The story was made into a mostly pedestrian B-movie, not so imaginatively titled The President’s Mystery.
mrmoshpotato
@Jinchi: Pizzadome? Can we get stuffed crust?
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
Prizes? It’s an honor simply to participate.
;)
Elizabelle
@germy: Thank you. Links back to a NY Times op ed from February 2020, author is Dr. Alison Parker of the U of Delaware.
When White Women Wanted a Monument to Black ‘Mammies’
A 1923 fight shows Confederate monuments are about power, not Southern heritage.
Dr. Parker wrote a biography of Mary Church Terrell, a civil rights activist and feminist who wrote a powerful essay for The Washington Star that was widely reproduced at the time.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: NotMax’s Camel Balls Writing Contest – “The prize is none of my Powerball winnings”
db11
@Kay:
File it under ‘Smart people saying dumb things’…
alongside Laurence Tribe.
schrodingers_cat
@db11: Are you referring to his latest initiative to get Biden to appoint EW as his running mate
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
I do relish the schizophreniciousness of morning threads.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jeffro: I’ve always thought that all the times when trump campaigned on “something terrific… we’re gonna take care of everybody… it’ll be easy… believe me” would make for some killer ads, but back in the day I also would see commercials or other mentions of his game show and think, “Christ, does anybody actually watch that?”
M31
I thought that the title of Agatha Christie’s book “Ten Little Indians” was problematic, but then I found out what the original title was :-0
Kay
@db11:
It’s bigger than “dumb” for me. I really profoundly disagree with it and I’m particularly bothered by how glib she is about it. It makes me question her judgment on other things.
different-church-lady
Lemme get this straight: you’re losing to a guy by 13 points and you want him to campaign more?
Kay
@db11:
Too I think “smart” is the wrong measure, or an incomplete measure. Justice Scalia was plenty “smart”- but he was also mean-spirited and suspicious of anyone who isn’t exactly like him and really deeply ungenerous. The really quick-witted opinions people love from him? I think they’re mean spirited and glib and patronizing.
“Smart” isn’t enough. It’s insufficient for that job.
germy
@different-church-lady:
“No, I want you to die, Mr. Bond.” (Goldfinger)
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: Was it the fountain pen?
The Pale Scot
There is so much great material being posted at Republican Voters Against Trump@RVAT2020
Every president had a dog
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Indeed. Kay for the Supreme Court in the first Biden administration.
schrodingers_cat
@The Pale Scot: Orangina does too, his dog is in the Senate.
NotMax
@M31
One of the problems facing Peter Jackson’s on-again, off-again remake of The Dam Busters, proposed to be ultra accurate in detail, is how to deal with the historical reality of the mascot dog’s name (the same as the word in Christie’s original title), which was also the code word to communicate success of the bombing mission.
Kay
His explaining this is really, genuinely helpful. I don’t think there’s a person in this country who won’t understand that this is brutally unfair.
different-church-lady
@SiubhanDuinne: You’re that character the bad guy is beating up before Bugs Bunny arrives in the picture, aren’t you?
Omnes Omnibus
@Kay: Well, I guess it is a good thing she isn’t a politician.
NotMax
@schrodingers_cat
Ahem.
;)
schrodingers_cat
@NotMax: I like the Orangina in the bottle, the one in the WH not so much.
Orange Juice + Seltzer = Homemade Orangina
The Pale Scot
@schrodingers_cat:
The kink is to visual evidence of that
Miss Bianca
@NotMax: What that suggests to me is that maybe The Dam Busters really doesn’t need a remake.
Gin & Tonic
@germy: Sorry, but it’s “No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.”
catclub
@Krope, the Formerly Dope: I have this bookmarked for when it comes up:
The reformed broker. and it comes up more and more regularly.
Geminid
@Elizabelle: in the late 1850’s, during debate on a measure that would ban slavery in newly acquired territories in the southwest, a southern senator asked, “would this mean Ithat I could not take my beloved mammie to New Mexico?” Senator Ben Wade of Michigan responded, “the esteemed Senator could still take his “beloved mammie” to New Mexico. He just couldn’t sell her when they got there.”
WaterGirl
@tom: Wow, that didn’t just bring tears to my eyes. I flat-out cried.
Their best yet, I think.
Elizabelle
@Geminid: Swish. Well said.
Ken
Another one for the “it’s always projection” list. “Every time Trump opens his mouth his polls drop three points, so the same thing will happen to Biden.”
catclub
@WaterGirl: My take would be that Trump is fine seeing himself with George Wallace, and not MLK (communist).
How many votes did MLK get, after all?
Elizabelle
@tom: No prisoners. Never has to use the word “racism” either.
Speaks of leaders. I wish that one would run in red states and red localities. Remind them what they’re supporting.
Elizabelle
@Ken: Being Dunning-Kruger personified, Trump thinks that “Sleepy Joe” Biden turns off voters every time he opens his mouth.
@catclub: I described Trump as George Wallace with his own jet, months ago. That is definitely the template.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Ken: That sounds exactly what he’d think.
MisterForkbeard
@Baud: I am completely unsurprised to find that:
Biden continues to show that he’s a surprisingly good candidate this time around.
Calouste
@MisterForkbeard: Biden had 8 years of study with one of the greatest candidates in modern times. And it seems he has absorbed the lessons.
The Pale Scot
@danielx:
Wish I could find a clip of the old TV program Wiseguy. The ruthless assassin with a heart of gold, Roger Lacocco (played by William Rus) keeps a bowl of large steel ballbearings next his bed. So he can throw them at anyone who tries to take him unawares. Great show.
tokyokie
@Gin & Tonic: Way back when we had answering machines, I had that exchange (Bond: You expect me to talk. Goldfinger: No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!) as my message. But then I also rotated in Strother Martin from Cool Hand Luke saying, “What we have here is a failure to communicate,” and Ralph Meeker’s answering machine message from Kiss Me Deadly. (And yes, Mike Hammer had an answering machine in a 1955 movie.)
J R in WV
@germy:
So she no longer believes in the Bill of Rights, which starts out like this:
What a surprise, that a shameless political right-wing hack like Meghan (“Did you know that Senator McCain is my father”) McCain would drop the Bill of Rights the first time it makes her uncomfortable!! I think appearing on The View is too much for the poor woman, stresses her brain past its limits!!
What a hypocrite !!!
different-church-lady
It just occurred to me: the Tulsa rally is likely to have plenty of jaw dropping dislpays and defenses of the kind of racism 80 percent of the country suddenly opposes.
glory b
@Kay: One of the reasons why I am not a member of her fan club.