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You are here: Home / Politics / Media / Small Maybe Victory

Small Maybe Victory

by @heymistermix.com|  June 26, 20204:12 pm| 53 Comments

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I guess this is how you get Zuckerberg’s attention:

Facebook is changing a number of policies relating to hate speech and voter suppression on the platform, the chief executive officer, Mark Zuckerberg, said in a surprise live video on Friday.

The announcements were made in a hurried appearance by the executive on his personal Facebook page shortly after Unilever announced that it was pulling advertisements for the next six months – which sent Facebook stock tumbling more than 7%.

More than 100 brands have joined a boycott of advertising on Facebook due to its failure to address hate speech and violence on the platform – most recently the major advertisers Verizon and Unilever.

Facebook will now take on an approach similar to that of Twitter, labeling posts that may violate its policies but are allowed to remain on the platform because they are deemed newsworthy.

The platform will also include a link to its voting information center on any post with information about voting, including by politicians: “This is not a judgement of whether the posts themselves are accurate,” Zuckerberg said.

I’m sure they’ll backslide, and it’s a pathetic little concession, but it ain’t nothing. I’m also enjoying the pants pissing atmospherics of the rushed announcement — it sure looks like Zuck thought he could ride this one out, until he couldn’t.

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  1. 1.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    NYTimes has a new article stating that trump has done nothing although he’s known for months.
    Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

  2. 2.

    bluehill

    June 26, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    Yay free market capitalism.

  3. 3.

    BruceFromOhio

    June 26, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Money talks, suckers walk.

    Its the ONLY way to get the capitalists to move in any direction – dangle the big bag o’ cash, or threaten to take it away.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    June 26, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    This morning, after Verizon announced that it was temporarily pulling its ads from Facebook, I read one comment which was “When Verizon thinks you’re being too evil…”.

  5. 5.

    Alison Rose

    June 26, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    I hope this also involves a reassessing of what constitutes hate speech, considering I got flagged for commenting “Men are annoying” on a friend’s post. Literally just that. The warning read: “Your comment goes against our Community Standards on hate speech. No one else can see your comment. We have these standards because we want discussions on Facebook to be respectful.”

    ELL OH FUCKING ELL.

  6. 6.

    Mike in NC

    June 26, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    Deleting my Facebook page last year was one of the most satisfying things ever.

  7. 7.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    I mean, fuckin’ christ, Zuck and his useless nicotine-for-the-brain device have brought GINORMOUS CORPORATE BORG CREATURES over to the right side of things, that’s just how fuckin’ evil the little sociopath is.

  8. 8.

    lollipopguild

    June 26, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    So, the invisible hand of the free market spanked his ass?

  9. 9.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:33 pm

    @lollipopguild: MENTAL IMAGES I DON’T WANT FOR $600 MILLION, ALEX!!!

  10. 10.

    scav

    June 26, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    Cue the racists and Trumpets strident howls of OPPRESSION!!! & SECOND AMENDMENT!!!! and HOW DARE COMPANIES FORCE THEIR MORALS DOWN OUR THROATS!!! My apologies for the lack of proper misspellings.

  11. 11.

    FlyingToaster (Tablet)

    June 26, 2020 at 4:35 pm

    Still not getting an account..

    I may have to do some online shopping this weekend.  New not-stinky Keens from REI. Heh.

  12. 12.

    Another Scott

    June 26, 2020 at 4:37 pm

    Reuters:

    […]

    Zuckerberg’s address fell short, said Rashad Robinson, president of civil rights group Color Of Change, which is one of the groups behind the boycott campaign.

    “What we’ve seen in today’s address from Mark Zuckerberg is a failure to wrestle with the harms FB has caused on our democracy & civil rights,” Robinson tweeted. “If this is the response he’s giving to major advertisers withdrawing millions of dollars from the company, we can’t trust his leadership.”

    Shares of Facebook closed 8.3% lower, and Twitter’s fell 7.3% after Unilever PLC said it would stop its U.S. ads on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter for the rest of the year, citing “divisiveness and hate speech during this polarized election period in the U.S.”

    More than 90 advertisers including Japanese carmaker Honda Motor Co Ltd’s U.S. subsidiary, Unilever’s Ben & Jerry’s, Verizon Communications Inc and The North Face, a unit of VF Corp, have joined the campaign, according to a list by ad activism group Sleeping Giants.

    The campaign specifically asks businesses not to advertise on Facebook’s platforms in July, though Twitter has also long been urged to clean up alleged abuses and misinformation on its platform.

    […]

    It’s good that decent companies are finally voting with their dollars. It’s essential that they not support other companies that are destroying our society. And we people need to continue to speak up and speak with our dollars as well.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  13. 13.

    cain

    June 26, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    @scav:
    Sounds good to me. They either have to cater to the racists or to their bottom line/stockholders.

    ETA: the desired outcome is if htey canceled facebook and left.

  14. 14.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    Finally, a good excuse to buy a pint of Ben & Jerry’s.

    (Please, nobody explain to me why this is bad until tomorrow…)

  15. 15.

    Soprano2

    June 26, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    @Alison Rose:  Sure, but people calling me an idiot for my opinions is a-ok with them. I have to wonder how they make these decisions, there doesn’t seem to be any consistency at all.

  16. 16.

    Anya

    June 26, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    I don’t say this lightly but Facebook is evil. I don’t care how it makes grandmas the world over happy because it enables them to share cute pictures of their grand kids. Facebook has made our world much worse. There is a UN report about how Facebook was used to incite genocide against the Rohingya minority group in Myanmar.

    Facebook is a place where hate is spread and hate groups use it to incite hate and devision. It makes me so sad that there is nothing we can do about it. The politicians don’t have the willpower to do anything. And Zuckerberg basically allied himself with Trump and the GOP.

  17. 17.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    @Anya:

    I don’t say this lightly but Facebook is evil.

    One should say it with the most weight possible. They’re every bit as evil as cigarette companies.

  18. 18.

    Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)

    June 26, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    They’re inevitably going to backslide.  That’s why we have to keep hassling these big businesses.  When one of them tries to quietly go back to advertising there, we have to pile on them all over again.  It also never hurts to call the businesses that have pulled their ads and thank them for that.

  19. 19.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    @Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): They’re not going to backslide: they’re going to sideslide. They’ll come up with new ways of doing what they want to do, which is addict people to the platform through any means possible, moral or amoral.

  20. 20.

    Ruckus

    June 26, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    I used to be on FB several times a day. The last 2-3 yrs I’ve been on maybe once or twice a year, just to see what’s what. I just didn’t bother to delete until today. Seemed like a good day to add on to add onto zuck’s woes of not making bazillions. He now gives you 30 days till it’s deleted and if you go back during that time you are reinstated. I’ve read that nothing is actually deleted, possibly forever but after 30 days no access the account is permanently closed.

  21. 21.

    C Stars

    June 26, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    After reading the other day somewhere (maybe here on BJ) that Zuck is personal friends with Ben Shapiro I realized that there is no possible way FB can be salvaged. It’s just an awful, evil enterprise. I mean, that’s the case with or without Ben Shapiro, but Ben Shapiro is the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s tough because while many people don’t use FB as individuals anymore, EVERY business or organization is expected to have a FB and/or IG page. Unfortunately, the worst option has become the default option (in so many ways in this country).

    I am hoping desperately that an altruistic tech person will come along and create a somewhat universal public online forum that we can all migrate to PDQ. Craig Newmark, are you reading this?

  22. 22.

    Calouste

    June 26, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    @Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): There’s a reason Unilever pulled its ads until the end of the year, i.e. after the elections. They talked to Facebook, and considering the amount of money they spend on advertising the person they talked to is at least the VP for North America, if not higher, and didn’t like the answers they got. They don’t trust FB, and Unilever knows racism doesn’t sell very well these days.

  23. 23.

    scav

    June 26, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    @different-church-lady: Hoodbook! When barefaced racism becomes slightly tricky.

     

    eta: There’s also a term for people that trust Facebook’s word. Zuckers.

  24. 24.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 4:58 pm

    @C Stars:

    It’s tough because while many people don’t use FB as individuals anymore, EVERY business or organization is expected to have a FB and/or IG page.

    When those “f” tiles start disappearing off corporate websites, that’s when we’ll know the Frodo tossed the ring into Mt. Doom.

  25. 25.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    fkfkfk   trump is opening an office in my district in GA

  26. 26.

    WaterGirl

    June 26, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    Zuckerberg:  I’ll take “what’s the least I can do” for $100.

  27. 27.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    @JPL: Georgia’s a battleground state: that should make you smile.

  28. 28.

    WaterGirl

    June 26, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @JPL: Ugh.  Why would he want to have an office in Georgia?  What grift can possibly be there?

    Oh, wait, is it a campaign office?

  29. 29.

    MattF

    June 26, 2020 at 5:05 pm

    I’d bet that the secret C-level memorandum determining these changes includes details on how they will be evaded. Facebook’s business plan is to promote social polarization and exploit the consequences. That’s by far the most profitable thing to do, and Facebook is not going to stop doing it.

  30. 30.

    Doug R

    June 26, 2020 at 5:06 pm

    Nice to see Unilever backing up the brand they bought-Ben & Jerry’s.

    I bought 5 pints yesterday, for some reason the 5 pints I bought last week had disappeared between my wife, my daughter and myself.

  31. 31.

    danielx

    June 26, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    You need an excuse?

  32. 32.

    C Stars

    June 26, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    @different-church-lady:  The spell can’t be broken soon enough.

    Although I just finished reading The Hobbit to my kids and, man, sometimes it’s a long auld trudge… Not sure I can make it through the trilogy. Forgot how self-indulgent Tolkien can be.

  33. 33.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    @different-church-lady: I just don’t want it near where I travel.    Since Handel is trying to win back the 6th, I’m afraid it will be.   ugh

  34. 34.

    Shalimar

    June 26, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    @JPL: There is a Republican party office a mile from me, in a strip mall next to a Domino’s.  Obviously opened by the campaign since it was not there in March.  I have never seen anyone in it.

  35. 35.

    different-church-lady

    June 26, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    @danielx: In the past it wasn’t an excuse I needed, so much as it was funding.

  36. 36.

    Anya

    June 26, 2020 at 5:13 pm

    @JPL: Wut? Does that mean he is going to defend Georgia? It would be great to win Georgia and we would win it if it wasn’t for the most outrageous and criminal voter suppression actions. But if the Trump campaign is spending money in a supposedly red state then we win.  Biden can’t beat him in campaign cash so hopefully this and Trump’s tendency to take his hate rallies to friendly places will drain his resources.

  37. 37.

    Flea, RN

    June 26, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    @C Stars: Ben Shapiro and Zuck are more than just friends – https://popular.info/p/the-dirty-secret-behind-ben-shapiros

  38. 38.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    @Anya: I know, but I don’t want to drive by his office.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    I’m going to post this again   trump knew about this since March and since then said  remove troops out of Germany and then invited the asshole killing our troops to the G 7

    Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

  40. 40.

    Another Scott

    June 26, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    5 years ago today. It still chokes me up.

    In the afternoon of June 26, 2015, @BarackObama traveled to Charleston to eulogize Reverend Pinckney after a racist shooting at Mother Emanuel AME church. President Obama began to speak of grace. Then he sang. Go behind the scenes of this moment in part two of our series. pic.twitter.com/VV0RTrmVzv

    — The Obama Foundation (@ObamaFoundation) June 26, 2020

    He’s a good man.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  41. 41.

    MattF

    June 26, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    @JPL: Yes, Russia is a bad actor. WaPo story on how fighters on both sides of the Syrian civil war are now fighting in Libya. Russia is supporting one side of the Libyan war, using Syrian militants as mercenaries.

  42. 42.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 26, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    @Soprano2: People call people idiots all the time here.

  43. 43.

    Brachiator

    June 26, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    I’m also enjoying the pants pissing atmospherics of the rushed announcement — it sure looks like Zuck thought he could ride this one out, until he couldn’t.

    Zuckerberg may be cagier than people think. Trump and his right wing enablers have been pushing Facebook and Twitter to allow more right wing extremist speech, claiming that social media platforms are biased against conservatives. Zuck is pitting plutocrat against plutocrat.

    ETA. Yeah, hate speech is a huge issue, but it’s funny how many people want to limit someone else’s speech, but not their own.

  44. 44.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    @MattF: Our president rewards them and Sen Johnson is starting another investigation into Hunter Biden.   I would think that killing our troops would be non-stop 24/7 news though.

  45. 45.

    MattF

    June 26, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    @JPL: Johnson is gearing up to investigate Hillary Clinton. Really.

  46. 46.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 26, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    @JPL: The orange shit streak knew about this for 3 fucking months and so far has done nothing.

    And McTurtle just chuckles and slips another nickel judge into the slot.

  47. 47.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 26, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    @JPL: Where? Maybe next time I drive through, I’ll leave a steaming bag of shit on the doorstep, lit on fire, to remind the asshole staffers just what they’re working for.

  48. 48.

    MattF

    June 26, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    @Brachiator: Facebook’s business plan hasn’t changed. Promote ‘engagement’ and sell ‘engaged’ users to advertisers.

  49. 49.

    Brachiator

    June 26, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    @MattF:

    Facebook’s business plan hasn’t changed. Promote ‘engagement’ and sell ‘engaged’ users to advertisers.

    Not really relevant to Trump and right wingers wanting to make sure they get prominent position in Facebook and any future social media platforms.

  50. 50.

    Subsole

    June 26, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    @C Stars: 
    You’d still have to break Facebook up, first. Otherwise the bug-eyed little voigt-kampf flunkee would just buy it out.

  51. 51.

    JPL

    June 26, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    @MattF: Hunter Biden..    It wouldn’t surprise me if Jim Jordan looked into emails again though.

  52. 52.

    Martin

    June 26, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    Unilever is not a small victory. They are a huge CPG (consumer package goods) company that invests massively in brand advertising ($8B per year). Even to Facebook, that’s not pocket change.

  53. 53.

    Skippy-san

    June 27, 2020 at 3:15 am

    All Facebook has done is taken to penalizing regular users. I’ve had two comments tagged for “hate speech” in two days and put in 24 hour Facebook jail. For the life of me, I do not know what was the offensive phrase, and Facebook will not tell you. Meanwhile, Trump Humpers go after you all the time with impunity.

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