Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

The choice is between normal and crazy.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

It looks like winning debates is a black job!

Fight them, without becoming them!

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

“Let’s not pretend [Trump] wants to engage in high-minded discourse.”

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Republicans got rid of McCarthy. Democrats chose not to save him.

When we show up, we win.

Books are my comfort food!

Fear or fury? The choice is ours.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

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Not to pick on Mr. West, because he’s biochemically wired for the occasional grandiose overstatement.

Elon Musk, however, is hereby confirmed as a giant unrepentant dick.

Worsts July 4th party of the year…

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  1. 1.

    Mike in DC

    Mr. West has already missed the deadline to get on the ballot in a couple of states and most of them have deadlines in early August. I seriously doubt that he could get on the ballot in most states absent some Republican fuckery.

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    “Sir, we strongly suggest – make that insist – foregoing the tanks in the streets this year.”

    //

  5. 5.

    Counterfactual

    Kanye West has a long public history of being bipolar and of noncompliance with his meds, and a long history of controversies.

  6. 6.

    West of the Rockies

    @Carlo:

    Somewhere in America, a drunk male moron is going to say, “Hey, I’m gonna put a sparkler in muh dick!”

  7. 7.

    Calouste

    At one point in the future I’m going to be in the market for a new car. It’s going to be a pretty nice car, and it’s going to be electric. It is not however, under any circumstances, going to be a car that Musk has any involvement in.

  9. 9.

    Hunter Gathers

    Elon Musk is going to be the first Bond villain to die by slipping on a banana peel.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    @West of the Rockies: That’s close enough to Rule 34 that a website devoted to the fetish now exists.

    (I ascribe to the strong or “Omphalos” version of the rule, which states that the website now exists even if it did not exist when you posted. Further, all evidence – video timestamps, comment history, google hits, etc. – shows that the website has existed for several years.)

  14. 14.

    Origuy

    At least Pat Paulson made good wine. (And the winery still does; had a bottle a couple of weeks ago.) He was also funny.

  17. 17.

    West of the Rockies

    @Ken:

    I’m trying to imagine the ER conversation between doctor and patient…

    Well, I guess what happens between a consenting adult and his pyrotechnics is none of my business.

  18. 18.

    JaneE

    I do wish that every time Trump opines on “our history” someone would remind him that we are not the Confederate States of America.

  21. 21.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Bethany Albertson @AlbertsonB2 27m
    New rule – you have to recite one of the abuses of King George III for each firework you set off.

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    @mrmoshpotato

    Twinging from an injury of transitory import incurred during sleep last night led to me take them, so ascribe it to the aspirin talking.

    ;)

  26. 26.

    Martin

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I estimate 5-10 mortars a second going off here nonstop since about 6PM. If I didn’t know better I’d think Seal Beach was cooking off. It’s that loud and that sustained.

  27. 27.

    Aleta

    Teenagers across the street set up a little tent city (so pairs could ‘socially distance’ I suppose …) and were projecting Hamilton on the side of their barn.  Big picture.  Like a drive-in movie for gen-covid-19 but tents. They had an intermission when they all went into the house for snacks.

  28. 28.

    Poe Larity

    Con Fire PIO @ContraCostaFire
    24m
    As a result of the unprecedented demand for fire services, Con Fire is now dispatching only a single fire engine to non-structure fires. We ares currently simultaneously on scene of 14 fires across the District , including 3 structure fires. #confiresafe4th

  29. 29.

    MagdaInBlack

    Here in leafy green Arlington Heights, IL, police just came around and put a stop to the barrage thats been going on since about 6 pm. Residential neighborhood, setting them off IN the streets all around me.

    I’m a fan of fireworks, but come on!

    Eta: Im a farm kid, we shot ours out over corn fields.

  31. 31.

    West of the Rockies

    @Aleta:

    Good for them!  That sounds fun.

    I watched the first 25 minutes today until my partner came home grumpy from a visit with her daughter.

  33. 33.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    This. Is. Insane.  I have never heard/seen anything like these amateur fireworks, and I have been in Honduras on New Year’s Eve. WHERE did people get these explosives?

    (I’m in San Francisco.)

  38. 38.

    Mai naem mobile

    Some people on my Nextdoor(yes,I know)  were talking about professional fireworks  people selling the big fireworks to amateurs because  the.events they would have used them in got cancelled.

  40. 40.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    @Chetan Murthy: I’m on the other side of the Alemany Gap from you, in the Portola District. We are hearing the same indistinguishable series of loud bangs. This is fucking nuts. I mean, I love fireworks, but I’m done.

    @HumboldtBlue: My family text thread is about how much everyone hates their quarantine hairstyles. ?

  41. 41.

    Achrachno

    Besides cats and dogs, the numerous explosions tonight seem to be disturbing the local striped skunk population.  Ask me how I know.

  42. 42.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    @NotMax:

    so associated with military deaths.

    So is my family. Your point?

    (Kidding, but not really.)

  43. 43.

    mrmoshpotato

    @NotMax: 

    Somewhat amazing that Kia managed to make it as a brand in the U.S., as KIA is so associated with military deaths.

    Wait. What?

  48. 48.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    @Achrachno: I heard a bunch of loud scuffling in the dead leaves outside my house the other night, and being of sound mind and excellent judgement, I ran outside barefoot with a BBQ fork thinking I was going to scare off the coyote that ate my cat last year. The two juvenile skunks that ran out from under my car (and rapidly back under it when they saw the crazy lady) … did not have the same plan for dealing with predators.

  54. 54.

    Kirk Spencer

    @West of the Rockies: Many decades ago I watched several young fraternity types have a contest over who could “fart” their bottle rocket the furthest.

    Yes, you’re picturing it correctly. And I hear they’re running low on brain bleach.

  56. 56.

    Mai naem mobile

    I’ve completely turned off Elon Musk since I heard the piece on NPR about the treatment of injured workers at the CA Tesla plants. They use freaking Uber to transport seriously injured workers. Asshole is too tight to use an ambulance or even regular medical transportation.  Also, this supposed billionaire was whining about the $600K he was going to lose on the employment grant he got from some California agency that deals with worker training. This was a little while ago when he got into the dispute about reopening the factory. $600K to him should be like what $50 means to the average person.

  58. 58.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Musk supporting West’s presidential run seems hilarious ironic to me.

  59. 59.

    Martin

    I’d estimate 50K-100K mortars have gone off here this evening. Forget the cost, that’s a LOT of effort.

  61. 61.

    Kirk Spencer

    @mrmoshpotato: As far as I recall, they did. No problems with duds or explosions too close.

    But I invite you to look at the common cheap bottle rocket. A small rocket mounted on a cheap – very cheap – length of stick. And would like to you to consider one thing.

    “Splinters.”

    With that, I bid good night. And may you all be safe from the consequences of others’ stupidity tonight.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    Neighborhood boomies begun only a few minutes ago.

    Neighbors next door on one side usually go nuts and I end up finding paper and plastic detritus all over this yard for days, sometimes weeks after when mowing.

  64. 64.

    NotMax

    @NotMax

    Last year so much stuff was raining down on the cottage’s metal roof, for so long, it sounded like a hailstorm. Hoping this year will be more tempered.

  65. 65.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Speaking of Musk, this is why just don’t have the heart to get on the Musk hate train.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/tesla-no-longer-even-growth-121604978.html

    “Tesla Short Thesis

    We remain short Tesla Inc. (TSLA), which I still consider to be the biggest single stock bubble in this whole bubble market. The core points of our Tesla short thesis are:

    Tesla has no “moat” of any kind; i.e., nothing meaningfully proprietary in terms of electric car technology, while existing automakers—unlike Tesla­—have a decades-long “experience moat” of knowing how to mass-produce, distribute and service high-quality cars consistently and profitably, as well as the ability to subsidize losses on electric cars with profits from their conventional cars.”

    What the hell does “moat” even mean in manufacturing? The big three went out of their way to kill electric cars for decades before Musk showed them how to make electric cars sexy and even then, when is the last time anyone was seeing polluting themselves in public over an the electric car they got from GM? Musk does a lot of dumb things like Virus denial, on the other hand there is a lot of stuff he is accused of that has that “what about her email’s?” vibe to it.

  68. 68.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: it might be an immigrant thing.  about 2 miles from my house there’s a Latino neighborhood and from my balcony it looks like the Do Lung bridge scene from Apocalypse Now.

  71. 71.

    Amir Khalid

    These fireworks tales almost make me nostalgic for the pyrotechnic hijinks that people used to get up to when celebrating Eid al-Fitri and Chinese New Year during my kidhood. These hijinks all too often ended up in the emergency department of the local hospital, which is why they were banned when I was a young man.

  72. 72.

    oclib

    @NotMax:

    Somewhat amazing that Kia managed to make it as a brand in the U.S., as KIA is so associated with military deaths.

     

    I remember in a college Marketing class, discussing the not.so.clever idea of trying to market the Chevy Nova in Mexico

  75. 75.

    NotMax

    @oclib

    At the time Esso changed its name, remember reading they beforehand spent a small fortune researching every known living language on the planet, finding but a single one which employed a double x, and fortunately did not include in its vocabulary Exxon.

  76. 76.

    CaseyL

    OK, the booming is going on in earnest here in North Seattle – none of it actually in my complex, but we have parks and cemeteries nearby, not to mention the enormous parking lots at Northgate Mall.  Any and all of which could be launching points.

    My kitties are very nonchalant about the big bang booms, possibly because they realize it’s not really anywhere near here.  But they are both inside for now, which makes ME feel better.

    Fireworks in this area, the really big impressive ones (though not “professional”) are sold at the reservations, from booths lined up along the state road.  I’ve driven by the fireworks area run by the Muckleshoots; some of the booths get really fancy.  I think the same families have the same booth in the same site every  year.  I’ve been told some families make enough over the 4th of July to pay their bills for half the year – probably not the case this year.

    One year I was driving home rather late from a holiday gathering,.  The firework buying time had ended and, near as I could tell, the sellers had decided to set off what was left of their inventory rather than pack it all home again.

    The road was windy and not well lit, and ordinance was going off all around and overhead.  Blossoms, bangs, roman candles, snake-in-the-sky looking things, things that whistled and roared as they shot skyward.

    It was actually a hoot: I felt like climbing on top of the car and beating on some drums.  Fortunately, I lacked drums.  I don’t think the other drivers trying to navigate the field of fire would have appreciated it.

  77. 77.

    Kent

    Speaking of GOP stupidity. Via Atrios:

    This was last week:

    https://pagesix.com/2020/06/29/donald-trump-jr-spotted-at-packed-mask-less-hamptons-party/

    A Hamptons insider was stunned to arrive at a house in Bridgehampton on Saturday night to find a packed party that looked “as if COVID had never happened” — with Donald Trump Jr. and girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle among the revelers.

    Our spy estimated there were about 100 partiers, who our source says were maskless, at the bash at the 51 Sandpiper Lane mansion, hosted by famed Hamptons builder Joe Farrell, who owns the pricey pile and is selling one down the road for $15 million. The event — which comes days after Long Island entered Phase Three of reopening and while COVID cases surge in some parts of the country — had a caterer and uniformed bartenders.

    This was this week:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/politics/kimberly-guilfoyle-trump-campaign-coronavirus.html

    Kimberly Guilfoyle, the girlfriend of President Trump’s eldest son and a top fund-raising official for the Trump re-election campaign, tested positive for the coronavirus on Friday before a Fourth of July event at Mount Rushmore, a person familiar with her condition said.

    Ms. Guilfoyle traveled to South Dakota with Mr. Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr., in anticipation of attending a huge fireworks display where the president was set to speak. They did not travel aboard Air Force One, according to the person familiar with her condition, and she was the only person in the group who tested positive.

    As a routine precaution, people who come in close contact with Mr. Trump are screened for the virus.

    Ms. Guilfoyle is the third person in possible proximity to Mr. Trump known to have contracted the virus. A personal valet who served Mr. Trump his food and the press secretary for Vice President Mike Pence tested positive for the virus in May.

  79. 79.

    Ruckus

    @Martin: 
    Over here in Covina I’m in hour 5 of nonstop noise from every direction. A lot of them do not sound like legal fireworks. As I said on another post, I’ve been involved in largish naval gunfire and some of what I’m hearing is, at the very least, as loud. I’ve also been standing very close to automatic small arms fire so while I do not have combat experience, I’ve been around combat arms. What I’ve been hearing does not sound like fireworks. Also I’ve seen few actual aerial bursts. I’m wondering how people could afford this, what with so much supposed to being shut down at least part of the last 6 months.

  80. 80.

    Montanareddog

    @oclib: in France, the Toyota MR2 had to be renamed the MR. The characters MR2 in French sound like emmerdeur, which is an insult equivalent to asshole or motherfucker.

  81. 81.

    oclib

    @NotMax:

    why spend all that money when the Exxon brand is only used in the US.  Esso is still the brand world-wide outside the US.  I came close to doing a deal with Esso-Canada that never closed before I retired from the oil industry in `13.

  84. 84.

    Kent

    Someone owned the militias today.  Hundreds of them showed up heavily armed.  The pictures in the story are something else.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/hundreds-of-armed-men-went-to-gettysburg-to-defend-it-from-a-phantom-antifa-flag-burner-created-on-social-media/2020/07/04/206ee4da-bb05-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html

    GETTYSBURG NATIONAL MILITARY PARK, PA. — For weeks, a mysterious figure on social media talked up plans for antifa protesters to converge on this historical site on Independence Day to burn American flags, an event that seemed at times to border on the farcical.

    “Let’s get together and burn flags in protest of thugs and animals in blue,” the anonymous person behind a Facebook page called Left Behind USA wrote in mid-June. There would be antifa face paint, the person wrote, and organizers would “be giving away free small flags to children to safely throw into the fire.”

    As word spread, self-proclaimed militias, bikers, skinheads and far-right groups from outside the state issued a call to action, pledging in online videos and posts to come to Gettysburg to protect the Civil War monuments and the nation’s flag from desecration. Some said they would bring firearms and use force if necessary.

    On Saturday afternoon, in the hours before the flag burning was to start, they flooded in by the hundreds — heavily armed and unaware, it seemed, that the mysterious Internet poster was not who the person claimed to be.

  85. 85.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    @Amir Khalid:  @MagdaInBlack:

    In the run-up to and aftermath of that NY eve in Honduras, I noticed a remarkable number of people with missing fingers or even hands.

    And the steady chorus of emergency sirens has begun here. I wish they could make them harmonize with the car alarms.

  86. 86.

    Brachiator

    From the UK obvious file, with implications for the US. The UK opened pubs and other establishments on July 4.

    It is “crystal clear” that drunk people are unable to socially distance, the chair of the Police Federation said as pubs reopened on Saturday.

    Ministers had urged caution ahead of hospitality venues reopening in England after three months of lockdown.

    John Apter dealt with “naked men, happy drunks, angry drunks, fights and more angry drunks” on shift in Southampton.

    But police thanked the majority of people for acting responsibly as they enjoyed the night out.

    Yeah, some people are stupid.

    However, you cannot easily shut this down. People are social animals, and I would hear interviews earlier with people who had stuff to drink at home, but desperately wanted to get out after being locked down for weeks. Also, when you have beaches, sports stadiums, etc still closed, you end up funneling people into whatever remaining venues are available, magnifying the problem.

    You can try to shut things down again, but it might be smarter to come up with softer ways of trying to encourage more responsible behavior.

  87. 87.

    Fair Economist

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: The pros aren’t putting on many shows but the fireworks still got made, so they have been sold to amateurs. It’s been active around here. Biggest problem for me was when a flare launcher malfunctioned as I was walking past and started shooting in all directions, including me. I decided I wasn’t interested in what people were doing after that. At least it’s mostly quiet at midnight.

  89. 89.

    laura

    It’s after midnight and still the explosions and small fireworks punctuated by gigantic thunderous booming. So done with it all. Just. Done.

  90. 90.

    MagdaInBlack

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Holy cow! ?

    I lived in Melrose Park (IL) for 5 years and I swear it probably looked like that from the air, on the 4th. It was nuts .

    Ets: all clear on the western front. Silence.. ?

  91. 91.

    James E Powell

    @oclib:

    Exxon was Standard Oil of New Jersey aka Jersey Standard. It was one of the pieces from the breakup of Standard Oil. When the pieces were separated, Jersey Standard could only use the Esso (Standard Oil) brand name in states where the other pieces weren’t using Standard Oil in their marketing. In those states, Jersey Standard sold gasoline under the names Humble and Enco and maybe something else I forgot. Anyway, they wanted to have one national brand name. The restrictions did not apply outside the US, so there they continue to use Esso.

  94. 94.

    oclib

    @James E Powell:

    yes, I’m very aware of all that.  @Notmax stated that Exxon spent a fortune on renaming the US company from Esso to Exxon and researching different languages to make sure they didn’t look foolish in another language.  My response was “Why”, when the Exxon brand is only in the US.  It also reminds me of when Shell Oil USA spent a fortune on new names for their different assets.  Their JV with Saudi Aramco became known as Motiva and their non-JV assets became known as Equilon.  This didn’t affect branding, but did affect who I was trading with.  It didn’t last long, but most of us in the industry were like….if you’re going to spend that type of money…pick me….I can do better than that….

  95. 95.

    Martin

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: What the hell does “moat” even mean in manufacturing?

    It just means a difficult barrier to entry. In the auto industry the complexity of the assembly process is a real barrier. To efficiently build a car you need to design in such a way that it can be assembled in some dozens-hundreds of stations that each can do the task in 60 seconds, and you need a  process to keep those station supplied with the components they need.

    It’s pretty fucking hard. So hard in fact that it’s more or less the only real expertise that automakers have these days. And it has proven to be a good moat – Tesla really struggles with this part of making a car. Almost every other form of manufacturing either has  much lower unit volumes that you aren’t as pressured to get every station to work as efficiently, or has sufficiently less complexity that the whole process isn’t that hard to pull off.

    For instance, the iPhone has higher volumes, but because it’s small, you don’t need to move from station to station in the same way – one worker can perform multiple steps at one station and the production line doesn’t basically stop if that one worker has a problem with their step.

    And to be fair, autos don’t have to be built this way, but they’ve established a set of expectations among consumers that cars be a certain  way that makes them complicated to build, thereby making it hard for people to enter the market.

    The Cybertruck is actually a good example of trying to break that.  one of the most expensive parts of automaking to get into is the steel stamping process that makes those nice swooping panels that we like. Those machines are the size of a house and incredibly expensive to build and retool. But the Cybertruck is designed to bypass that step entirely and is made up of welded sheets of steel. It’s way easier to build, and much cheaper, and the kind of thing that you’d think consumers would embrace if it resulted in a cheaper vehicle, but we’re so wired to what a vehicle should look like that we look at it and think ‘that looks like shit’ and are likely going to reject the effort to make it easier/cheaper to make.

    That’s a moat.

  96. 96.

    Brachiator

    One of the local news stations here in Southern California presented an aerial shot of LA, showing the various illegal fireworks displays. Some looked quite impressive. The good thing is that they apparently have not set off any serious fires.

  97. 97.

    Martin

    @mrmoshpotato: That’s what I had from 6PM until about 11:45. It was the wildest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. Still going on, but at a much lower pace.

  98. 98.

    Martin

    @Brachiator: The whole point of bars is to be social. That’s their purpose. You can’t open them and expect people to not be social. The only thing  you can do is not open them.

  102. 102.

    Ruckus

    @Martin:

    It’s 1:35 am and they are still going off around here. Up until about 30 minutes ago they were still very loud and sounding close.

  103. 103.

    Betty Cracker

    Pick on West all you want. His disorder is common, and almost all who live with it manage to avoid becoming useful idiots to monsters, so I think we can chalk that up to a character defect.

  104. 104.

    Anne Laurie

    @Betty Cracker: My mom was bipolar.  I grew up to believe that the only thing worse than living with a bipolar individual was being that bipolar individual.    It’s a lot more fun, as a ‘performance’, from a safe distance! — which is why I thorough despise people like Musk, who treat such outbursts as if they were intended to be entertainment just for them.

  105. 105.

    There go two miscreants

    @Kent: Dead thread, but anyway: by now the bikers etc. will have persuaded themselves that they scared the “antifa” away. Can’t admit that they were punk’d.

  106. 106.

    Another Scott

    Lot and lots of close fireworks here in NoVA last night. We heard the stuff from Mt. Vernon/Ft. Washington and maybe even stuff on the Mall. And stuff in the neighborhood. It seemed to last longer than usual (past 10 PM?). Lots of detritus in many streets and driveways this morning. A couple of crows were eating from a broken watermelon in the street as well (one was apparently a youngster, making all kinds of racket to its parent – FEED ME!!1).

    Then I woke up this morning to droning/rattling machinery noises. Someone has been renovating a house down the street for months and they were doing something with new concrete this morning starting 8 AM. It looks like the county rule is that they can’t be making noise before 7 AM, but that’s still pretty early.

    Grr…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  107. 107.

    Miss Bianca

    Wow…well, my 4th was very quiet. Altho’ I hear that the unofficial “parade” in town (read, “angry white people couldn’t get a permit so they decided to throw a Freedom Tantrum and call it a ‘protest'”) was pretty lit. I was hoping no one would show up, but apparently some genuine BLM-type protestors showed up as well. I wouldn’t know, I was staying the hell away from it all.

    We had a big rainstorm in the afternoon, kind of wish it had been all day. But we wouldn’t have had fireworks over the lake this year even discounting the rain – between the Stage Two fire ban and the fire department deciding that they didn’t want to deal with it any more, no fireworks, planned or unplanned, went off at all. Not even any nutters shooting off their guns or other armaments.

    So all we got at the Mountain Hacienda was a nice, socially-distanced neighborhood gathering in one of our neighbors’ garages – complete with individually-plastic-wrapped trimmings for the burgers, a touch I appreciated.

    In a normal year the gathering would have been up here, because of the spectacular view of the fireworks we would get from our deck, but…not a normal year, obvs. I wonder when we’ll get anything like a “normal year” again, at this point.

  109. 109.

    artem1s

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Musk showed them how to make electric cars sexy

    Honda put the first hybrid into mass distribution in the US in 1994. The US car companies spent the next 10 years screaming about how the batteries were going to fail and cost the owners thousands to replace (like a transmissions never wear out and aren’t expensive to replace, FFS).  GM had a pretty good electric car in the 80’s but they didn’t want to put any R&D into battery research and tech so they did everything they could to kill the idea that electric was feasible.  Meanwhile, Honda has been steadily improving their battery tech and produce 3 regular hybrids and 1 plug in hybrids that are affordable to the average consumer.  Musk’s greatest achievement has been in making electric sexy AND game altering battery tech.  The cars aren’t even the most exciting result of the improved battery tech.  I wish he were putting as much marketing attention into his solar roof tiles.  That’s tech that could revolutionize the entire construction industry and it’s all possible because of the storage capacity of the batteries developed for the cars.  He may be an enormous putz, but the battery tech isn’t going away and may be the biggest part of the puzzle to normalizing sustainable and renewable energy tech for a higher percent of the consumer market, in multiple industries.

  110. 110.

    Ruckus

    @Mai naem mobile:

    The uber wealthy have different ideas about money and who owns/controls it that those of us who have physical jobs/work for others. Like them.

    Elon is one of them. His cars are nice, he is advancing the technology, his success has given birth to rather massive growth in the electric car business. As more people recognize their value as transportation, primarily due to technology that allows them to work well and have lower overall cost of ownership and as the infrastructure grows, the percentage of electric vehicles will grow, possibly exponentially. The cost of batteries has gone down very dramatically over the last decade, and production up, which is the biggest hurdle to the cars.

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