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You are here: Home / Elections / Biden For President / Saturday Morning Open Thread: Vote the Bums Out

Saturday Morning Open Thread: Vote the Bums Out

by Anne Laurie|  July 18, 20206:28 am| 107 Comments

This post is in: Biden For President, Foreign Affairs, GOP Death Cult, Open Threads

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From day one, Donald Trump has been focused on the stock market and delivering for his wealthy friends and big corporations.

As president, I will be laser-focused on working families and small businesses. pic.twitter.com/3gFMqw4nk6

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) July 16, 2020

NEWS: Biden says he’s now receiving intelligence briefings as the Democratic presidential nominee. And he warns about Russian, Chinese and other foreign interference in the 2020 election. https://t.co/TwQfJUjF1s

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 18, 2020

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said he is receiving intelligence briefings and warned Friday about Russian interference in the 2020 election.

“We know from before and I guarantee you I know now because now I get briefings again — the Russians are still engaged in trying to delegitimize our electoral process. Fact,” the former vice president said during a fundraiser organized by lawyers that included general counsels from roughly 100 companies.

“China and others are engaged as well in activities designed for us to lose confidence in the outcome” of the November election, Biden added.

A Biden campaign official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the briefings had begun and said the candidate also receives advice from his team of national security experts.

Biden had not been briefed as recently as June 30, when he said at a press conference that he “very well may” ask for access to intelligence about reports that Russia had offered bounties for the killing of American troops in Afghanistan…

Biden has repeatedly criticized Donald Trump after reports that the president doesn’t read the Presidential Daily Brief and receives only infrequent verbal briefings. On the Russian bounty reports, Biden said “the idea that somehow he didn’t know, or isn’t being briefed, it is a dereliction of duty, if that’s the case.” He added that if Trump “was briefed and nothing was done about this, that’s a dereliction of duty.”

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Because the current Maladministration just ain’t up to the job, folks!

American cities are allegedly "under siege," and yet we still don't have a duly confirmed, non-"acting" Homeland Security secretary — just like we haven't for 460 days. https://t.co/U2wi6cUb9q

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) July 17, 2020

i'm no political expert, nor do i think biden has it in the bag, but just from a gadfly standpoint, i have to admit that the marketing genius behind "EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE AND IF YOU RE-ELECT THE PRESIDENT WHO CAUSED IT TO BE TERRIBLE HE MIGHT FIX IT" really escapes me.

— golikehellmachine (@golikehellmachi) July 16, 2020

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107Comments

  1. 1.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 6:34 am

    Blech.

  2. 2.

    WereBear

    July 18, 2020 at 6:40 am

    Apparently there are things marketing can’t fix. Hoocoodanode?!?!?

  3. 3.

    Baud

    July 18, 2020 at 6:49 am

    Woke up to the John Lewis news. Very sad he couldn’t make it to see election day.

    I’m glad that someone responsible is getting security briefings.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    July 18, 2020 at 6:57 am

    Need a breather? A few minutes of positive diversion, courtesy of times past.

    How do you construct a world? Start with the South Pole.

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 6:58 am

    @Baud: I’m glad someone is finally receiving them.

  6. 6.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 7:18 am

    “Re-elect me to fix the problems that I created” is a novel campaign pitch, true.

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    July 18, 2020 at 7:23 am

    @Jeffro

    Hey, hey, forty-five.
    How many more must lose their lives?
    .

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 7:30 am

    White House portraits of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush moved from prominent space to rarely used room

    The official portraits of former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were removed from the Grand Foyer of the White House within the last week, aides told CNN, and replaced by those of two Republican presidents who served more than a century ago.
    White House tradition calls for portraits of the most recent American presidents to be given the most prominent placement, in the entrance of the executive mansion, visible to guests during official events.
    That was the case through at least July 8, when President Donald Trump welcomed Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador. The two stood in the Cross Hall of the White House and made remarks, with the portraits of Clinton and Bush essentially looking on as they had been throughout Trump’s first term.
    But in the days after after that, the Clinton and Bush portraits were moved into the Old Family Dining Room, a small, rarely used room that is not seen by most visitors.
    The portrait of former President Barack Obama is not expected to be unveiled for a formal ceremony during Trump’s first term, a sign of the bitter relationship between the 44th and 45th presidents. Trump has accused Obama of unsubstantiated and unspecified crimes, and has questioned whether Obama was born in the US for years.
    Trump has — less frequently — similarly disparaged Bush and Clinton. In his book, former Trump national security adviser John Bolton wrote Trump “despised” both Bush presidents, and people familiar with the conversations say Trump has lambasted George W. Bush as “stupid.” Trump has similarly castigated Clinton, the husband of his 2016 presidential rival, Hillary Clinton, and suggested he was a bad president.

  9. 9.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @Baud: Me too. I am so sad!

    And if Biden is getting security briefings, he now knows more than Trump does about what’s happening, since Trump can neither read nor listen.

  10. 10.

    raven

    July 18, 2020 at 7:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: the horror

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    July 18, 2020 at 7:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly

    In the future when his own portrait is added (*shudder*), maybe find a home for it in the broom closet of the bunker?

    //

  12. 12.

    JPL

    July 18, 2020 at 7:39 am

    Hi Imma, in case you are lurking just wanted to let you know we miss your wisdom.

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 7:40 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 7:40 am

    I am very happy that Biden is receiving those briefings.

  15. 15.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 7:41 am

    @NotMax: that was pretty cool!

    There was a slightly smaller (but still large) version in someone’s backyard for decades in Springfield, VA…you could see it as you drove by on the main road.  Odd little landmark.

  16. 16.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @raven: I find it funny.

  17. 17.

    raven

    July 18, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: me too

  18. 18.

    prostratedragon

    July 18, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @NotMax:  Surely it would take the artist at least a couple of decades to get the color palette just so. And that’s before the drafting would begin.

  19. 19.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 18, 2020 at 7:46 am

    @NotMax: In the bottom of the toilet, like the 19th century British chamber pots with Napoleon’s face inside.

  20. 20.

    Chyron HR

    July 18, 2020 at 7:47 am

    @NotMax:

    Why?  Do we put Jeff Davis’s portrait up in the White House?

  21. 21.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 7:47 am

    I caught myself thinking about what a massive tribute John Lewis’s funeral will be and then I realized we can’t do it because of the virus.

  22. 22.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 18, 2020 at 7:50 am

    “China and others are engaged as well in activities designed for us to lose confidence in the outcome” of the November election, Biden added.

    Why would China do this? Shouldn’t they want sanity to return? Aren’t we one of their biggest markets?

    Not that I disbelieve Biden. I’m just a little confused

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 7:51 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: a virtual national vigil of some kind?  A (socially distant, masked) march would be great too.

    I know I plan on celebrating quite loudly and publicly and socially distant-ly for Biden’s inauguration.  I hope the DNC gets creative about how to do it nationwide, in every town.

    But first things first: I do hope they find a way to honor Rep. Lewis in a way befitting such a giant of a man.

  24. 24.

    SFAW

    July 18, 2020 at 7:52 am

    @NotMax:

    In the future when his own portrait is added (*shudder*), maybe find a home for it in the broom closet of the bunker?

    Fuck that. I want (FSM willing) President Biden to have an outhouse installed on the National Mall, probably a three-holer, with the Murderer-in-Chief’s portrait at the bottom of each “stall.”

    Actually, I’d like the Murderer-in-Chief to be at the bottom of the three-holer, but that idea is less practical, because making the Secret Service be there is not fair to them. Maybe they can substitute Uday, Qusay, and Jarvanka for him

    ETA: I see Matt McIrvin has a similar suggestion.

  25. 25.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 18, 2020 at 7:55 am

    @Jeffro: There’s also a smaller replica of the Unisphere at Universal Studios Florida, in the area themed after Men in Black. It’s kind of amazing to think the ’64 World’s Fair was so influential that there are echoes of it at Universal and Walt Disney World (since It’s A Small World and the Carousel of Progress both originated there).

  26. 26.

    SFAW

    July 18, 2020 at 7:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m glad someone who understands them is finally receiving them.

    Fixed, because the Traitor-in-Chief receives them, he just doesn’t understand them.

  27. 27.

    prostratedragon

    July 18, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  Maybe they have the same interest as Russia in keeping the US ineffectual internationally. Also, a lot of what they sell is bought by individual consumers.

  28. 28.

    SFAW

    July 18, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    A weakened USA makes it easier for China to establish its 1000-year hegemony. Or were you under the impression that China is all “Hey, USA, let’s lead the world into a future together!”

    ETA: Rebuilding manufacturing power to the US will be difficult, even with a strong leadership team in place. With the current bunch of traitors, grifters, and morons — no way it can happen.

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:01 am

    @JPL:

    Imma,

    I will add to those who are missing you. I hope that all is well with you and Little Imma ????

  30. 30.

    Auntie Anne

    July 18, 2020 at 8:01 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I know . . . I wondered about his funeral last night, hoping Obama would speak, and then was even more sad when I realized there will be no funeral.

  31. 31.

    Amir Khalid

    July 18, 2020 at 8:02 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I’m sure someone is planning an online memorial service, and will announce it shortly.

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:02 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    ?????

  33. 33.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 18, 2020 at 8:07 am

    @SFAW:

    Not quite, but I am pissed that the GOP has such an asymmetric “advantage”

  34. 34.

    Amir Khalid

    July 18, 2020 at 8:10 am

    @Chyron HR:

    Maybe there’s a Dunce’s Corner where Trump’s portrait can hang alongside Hoover’s and Buchanan’s.

  35. 35.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 18, 2020 at 8:14 am

    @prostratedragon:

    It’s just you’d think they’d understand that destabilizing a country as influential as ours is bad for them because of issues like climate change as well as the global economy.

    I guess it goes to show these guys aren’t very smart and have no actual long-term vision that benefits anybody but their own narrow interests

  36. 36.

    ThresherK

    July 18, 2020 at 8:16 am

    Okay, Bill Clinton, I understand: Trump doesn’t consider Obama as legit because Obama was…you know. So, last Dem prez: Trump is threatened by Clinton’s peace, prosperity, esteem, equanimity, and (if Trump were smart enough, which I’m not saying he is) that Clinton got impeached hunted like an animal and yet it made him look great. “They impeached me, and I beat them (politically) like a yard dog,” Bill said.

    But the idea that “big shoes to fill” includes George W. Bush? That’s hilarious.

  37. 37.

    Butter Emails

    July 18, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    On the plus side, now that Trump’s broken with the tradition there’s no reason for the next couple of President’s not to park Velveetamort’s portrait in the Lincoln Bedroom closet.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @JPL:

    Seconded. Thirded.

  39. 39.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @SFAW: I doubt very much he receives them. They surely give it to him, but just like leading the proverbial horse to water, they can’t make him listen.

  40. 40.

    Ken

    July 18, 2020 at 8:18 am

    Can Biden also get past intelligence briefings? That is, copies of the actual pieces of paper that were put in front of Trump? That would definitely establish whether he was ever briefed about the Russian bounties.

  41. 41.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:18 am

    Joe Biden endorses Sara Gideon against Susan Collins.Seems dog bites man—Dem endorses Dem—but the Obama-Biden WH mostly stayed out of Collins’ 2014 race. This suggests Biden would rather oust the most centrist Senate Republican than hope she doesn’t obstruct his agenda. pic.twitter.com/IVrBmOFDOS— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) July 17, 2020

  42. 42.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:19 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump controls what they share with Biden.

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:20 am

    ???

    Actually Bernie Stan’s are WORSE than MAGA because at least MAGA will be quiet on John Lewis’ death. Bernie Stan’s are openly celebrating.— Veronica McDonald? (@Purify_toast17) July 18, 2020

  44. 44.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 8:20 am

    @Matt McIrvin:It’s kind of amazing to think the ’64 World’s Fair was so influential that there are echoes of it at Universal and Walt Disney World

    and Springfield  ;)

  45. 45.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 8:21 am

    @rikyrah: Biden knows she’s no “centrist”.  What planet is Kapur on?  We need every Dem Senator we can get.

  46. 46.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 8:21 am

    @rikyrah: Agreed. I worry a little about the Immp.

  47. 47.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @Ken: He can certainly ask to be briefed now about what the intelligence agencies know re: bounties/Russia.  I don’t think he can get a copy of the president*s previous PDBs.

  48. 48.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 18, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Wow. There’s just nothing too petty for these folks, is there?

  49. 49.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 8:23 am

    @rikyrah: That’s because she will obstruct his agenda.

  50. 50.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:24 am

    @rikyrah:

    I can’t imagine their hero would be celebrating. I don’t understand this.

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Republicans tweeting out what John Lewis life meant, and to those who walked across the #EdmundPettusBridge bridge with him then went back to DC and refused to support him on voting rights and other issues are damn hypocrites and liars. I have no tolerance for your BS!— cjtown (@ladyc10) July 18, 2020

  52. 52.

    gene108

    July 18, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I caught myself thinking about what a massive tribute John Lewis’s funeral will be and then I realized we can’t do it because of the virus.

    A non-virulently racist Administration, even with COVID19, would figure out someway to acknowledge and honor Rep. Lewis’s contributions in making America better.

    Even if it is just a speech in his honor, but I think more likely would be a speech and ordering flags lowered to half-mast.

    This administration will not even acknowledge his passing, not even so much as a tweet with something anodyne like “condolences to Rep. Lewis and his family”.

  53. 53.

    rikyrah

    July 18, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Our country has lost, perhaps at the worst possible moment, a civil rights icon and moral leader. We must protect what John Lewis made his life’s work: the right to vote. My statement on the passing ofJohn Lewis. pic.twitter.com/RaVm6bQKxj— Eric Holder (@EricHolder) July 18, 2020

  54. 54.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 8:28 am

    Last week, I saw a map on which states were color-coded to show how well they were doing against COVID. Illinois was yellow, but our bordering states (all governed by Rs) were blood red, so I knew it couldn’t last. And sure enough, this morning, we’re orange.

    We are allowing an aggressive minority to ruin life for the rest of us.

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 8:32 am

    Heh:

    Kimberly Costello@KimCostello

    Mary Trump’s book sold more copies in one day than Art of the Deal sold in 32 years. Yowch.
    8:03 PM · Jul 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

  56. 56.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 18, 2020 at 8:34 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Not so amazing at Universal, since the climactic scene of the first MiB takes place at the original Unisphere in Flushing.

    But yeah, it is kinda iconic. (These days “ironic” may come closer, as Trumpmurkkka turns its back on the rest of the planet.)

  57. 57.

    zhena gogolia

    July 18, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @Butter Emails:

    I like the way you think! You just cheered me up.

  58. 58.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 18, 2020 at 8:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: And how many were bought en masse by a wingnut bazillionaire to artificially pump up sales?

    (Narrator: Even George Soros is waiting for a library copy.)

  59. 59.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 8:39 am

    From a PRRI poll cited on twitter (I’m not embedding the tweet because there’s a picture of Trump). I thought it was interesting that the younger group is slightly more approving of Trump. I wouldn’t have predicted that.

    Trump continues to have worse ratings among younger Americans than older Americans, with a notable break around age 50. Among those ages 18-29, only 35% view the president favorably, and in the 30-49 age group, only 31% view Trump favorably.

  60. 60.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:39 am

    @gene108:

    “He was never very nice to me.” ??

  61. 61.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Trump must not realize TR championed conservation. As for McKinley, huh?

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 8:42 am

    Ken Klippenstein
    @kenklippenstein

    As unmarked feds snatch protesters off the streets in Portland, memo leaked to me shows they’ll be deployed indefinitely and in undisclosed locations, with drones “on standby to assist as needed”:
    thenation.com/article/societ

    Pictures of the memo at the link.

  63. 63.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 18, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @debbie: He’s got a lot more in common with Hoover.

  64. 64.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    July 18, 2020 at 8:47 am

    So were was Trump in the last four years if our cities were as bad as this?

  65. 65.

    debbie

    July 18, 2020 at 8:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I was expecting Andrew Johnson at the very least. //

  66. 66.

    Just One More Canuck

    July 18, 2020 at 8:53 am

    @Butter Emails: when they do Trump’s portrait, it should be printed on toilet paper

  67. 67.

    Wapiti

    July 18, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It’s not like the US was doing anything about climate change when it was more stable. Not with 51+ Republican Senators.

  68. 68.

    germy

    July 18, 2020 at 9:00 am

    NEWS: Biden says he’s now receiving intelligence briefings as the Democratic presidential nominee.

    OMG.  That means Trump was receiving intelligence briefings back when he was the Republican nominee…

  69. 69.

    SFAW

    July 18, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Kimberly Costello@KimCostello

    Mary Trump’s book sold more copies in one day than Art of the Deal sold in 32 years. Yowch.
    8:03 PM · Jul 17, 2020·Twitter Web App

    Out-STANDING!!!

  70. 70.

    Salty Sam

    July 18, 2020 at 9:04 am

    @NotMax: Need a breather? A few minutes of positive diversion, courtesy of times past.

    Wow!  I was the AV nerd in junior high (nope, not callin’ it middle school)- I was the one who wheeled the projector in and threaded the 16mm film for those science and health films we got to watch.  I sat through HOURS of the same music, and narrator, as this piece you posted.  Thanks, I think…

  71. 71.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 18, 2020 at 9:04 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: That kind of difference is small enough to be statistical noise, but I also think that teenagers’ political worldview can be strongly shaped by that of their parents, who in this case are GenXers and youngest Boomers.

  72. 72.

    germy

    July 18, 2020 at 9:05 am

    So Trump is running on the “Throw The Bums Out” ticket.

    Smart.

  73. 73.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 18, 2020 at 9:11 am

    Over the past week, the state of Massachusetts sent all registered voters in the state a postage-paid vote-by-mail application, for both the state primary on September 1 and the general election. Mine arrived in the mail yesterday. I’d been meaning to print one out off the Secretary of State’s website ever since the PDF appeared there, but getting the paper one, and then hearing about John Lewis’s passing, spurred me to fill it out and drop it in this morning.

    I hate being uncertain that the Postal Service will be operating well enough to use for this purpose when the time comes. But Massachusetts, unlike some states, actually does want everyone to vote, so I figure they’ll find a way one way or another.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    July 18, 2020 at 9:14 am

    @Chyron HR: Do we put Jeff Davis’s portrait up in the White House?

     

    No, but there is still a county in Mississippi named after him.

    Also Nathan Bedford Forrest.

    Mississippi goddam keeps on keeping on.

  75. 75.

    Fester Addams

    July 18, 2020 at 9:15 am

    @Just One More Canuck:

    when they do Trump’s portrait, it should be printed on toilet paper

    Impractical. How would you know when you were done?

  76. 76.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 18, 2020 at 9:18 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Republicans continue to insist that even in the red states, even COVID-19 is only a problem in the blue cities that are all run by Democrats, which are also full of rioters and crime because they’re run by Democrats, etc. They hammer that talking point really hard when anyone says something about Trump’s failures. It feels like ancient white-flight rhetoric from the 1970s, and of course that’s what Donald Trump grew up with.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    July 18, 2020 at 9:19 am

    Woke up to the news of John Lewis’s passing. I feel fortunate to have lived in the same time as a giant like Rep. Lewis, but losing him right now is especially hard. One of the things that was special about him was that he was a hero, but he was so human at the same time.

    I hope everyone had a safe holiday. I spent some of the break playing with my cats. pic.twitter.com/ETJg4uO5Go

    — John Lewis (@repjohnlewis) January 4, 2016

    An old man and his cats. A lion of American history. Same guy.

    The very least we citizens can do to honor him now is to rename the Edmund Pettus Bridge the John Lewis Bridge. The most we can do? Work hard to make this country worthy of a man like John Lewis.

  78. 78.

    narya

    July 18, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I’ve been digging a little into the FYNYT data each day, and, despite a little increase (statewide) over the past month, it does not seem to be increasing dramatically; even the hot spots (e.g. Kankakee) seem to be leveling off. No reason to take off the mask, for sure.

  79. 79.

    raven

    July 18, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @Betty Cracker:
    But Alan Reese isn’t pushing for the bridge to be named after his grandfather.

     

    “A singular person’s name shouldn’t be on the bridge,” said Reese. “Because it took a commitment of people to make the movement happen.”

    When a petition to rename the Edmund Pettus Bridge started circulating in January, Reese released a statement on behalf of the foundation, saying if the bridge were to be renamed, it should be renamed for the Courageous Eight and the foot soldiers who laid the groundwork for the moment in Selma:

    “It is not our goal to have the name of the bridge changed, but if the bridge must be renamed, let’s remember those from Selma who were instrumental in the March from Selma to Montgomery. Name the bridge for the Courageous 8 and the foot soldiers who took a stand not only for Selma, but for the nation,” said the statement, which went on the list the names of the Courageous Eight: Rev. F.D. Reese, Ulysses Blackmon, Amelia Boynton-Robinson, Ernest Doyle, Marie Foster, James Gildersleeve, Rev. J.D. Hunter and Rev. Henry Shannon.

  80. 80.

    Kristine

    July 18, 2020 at 9:28 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: We’re asking folks from those states to self-quarantine, but we’re not enforcing it so I doubt many are. States with decreasing numbers would have to close their borders to save themselves, and that’s not going to happen. I’m not sure it can.

  81. 81.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 18, 2020 at 9:32 am

    My old-old-people book club met yesterday, FTF for the first time in months. (My young-old-people club meets Monday. They’re discussing The Wysman. :-)) They’re all very dismayed by how badly the pandemic is going. Also one old guy said he was reading Bolton’s book and was unhappy about what he was learning.

    I’d guess almost all of them are traditional Rs. They probably didn’t vote for Clinton, but they may not have voted for Trump either. Just my guess, but I suspect they could vote for Biden.

  82. 82.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 9:33 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I think GenXers (aka Reagan babies, aka my own selfish cohort) are responsible for his support being higher right around age 50.

    The support from younger voters could well be the kids of those GenXers

  83. 83.

    Sure Lurkalot

    July 18, 2020 at 9:34 am

    @Matt McIrvin: In Colorado, there are 24 hour lock boxes in very convenient locations. The closest one to me is at a rec center that I can walk to.  You can still vote in person, early or on Election Day. Signing up for Ballot Trace, you are notified when your ballot is mailed and when it’s been approved for counting. There is no reason it shouldn’t be thus in every state.

  84. 84.

    Jeffro

    July 18, 2020 at 9:35 am

    @Betty Cracker: watching the video of him crowd surfing during the Stephen Colbert show is making me laugh and tear up at the same time.

    and yes, they sure ought to rename that bridge

  85. 85.

    Baud

    July 18, 2020 at 9:35 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  86. 86.

    Percysowner

    July 18, 2020 at 9:41 am

    @rikyrah: God knows, I think the Bernie Stans are capable of anything, but I really need more than a tweet from someone I’ve never heard of, with no supporting links,  to believe that they are celebrating his death.  Partly because I can’t see why they would. Lewis didn’t make the endorsement that put Biden over the top In South Carolina.

    I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m just saying I want more proof that it happened AND I want proof that it’s widespread in the Bernie or Bust camp, not just a few dipwads and/or Russian bots spouting off.

    I also suspect that the MAGA folk won’t continue to be respectful of John Lewis. They DO, after all, have a contingent that is willing to drive into people asking for fair treatment of POC’s so I don’t think they can shut their mouth for that log.

  87. 87.

    germy

    July 18, 2020 at 9:46 am

    Living statues of Trump:

    A crew of artists called the Trump Statue Initiative installed these around D.C. pic.twitter.com/W9voRx4DRT

    — Bryan Harnsberger Psy.D (@PSYCH_HYPE) July 17, 2020

  88. 88.

    Baud

    July 18, 2020 at 9:46 am

    What happened to Imm?

  89. 89.

    Betty Cracker

    July 18, 2020 at 9:53 am

    Trump has been silent on John Lewis’s passing, which is just as well because anything he said would be insincere or offensive. But he was whining on Twitter last night about Mary Trump’s book:

    Next up is Mary Trump, a seldom seen niece who knows little about me, says untruthful things about my wonderful parents (who couldn’t stand her!) and me, and violated her NDA. She also broke the Law by givng out my……..Tax Returns. She’s a mess!

    I’m not sure why he thinks telling everyone his “wonderful parents” disliked their own granddaughter in any way refutes Mary Trump’s account of their fucked up family dynamics.

  90. 90.

    Spanky

    July 18, 2020 at 10:05 am

    @Just One More Canuck: I would like to see his portrait depicting him doing a perp walk, with Federal officers flanking him and hands cuffed in front.

  91. 91.

    Aleta

    July 18, 2020 at 10:06 am

    @Baud: I was wondering if he’s been helping the application  to the SC to stay the execution of Wesley Purkey.  The application argued he was mentally unfit, the ruling was 5-4 and he was put to death Thursday.

  92. 92.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 18, 2020 at 10:07 am

    @Baud: He  ain’t been here.

  93. 93.

    Eunicecycle

    July 18, 2020 at 10:07 am

    @NotMax: I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but maybe we need Trump’s portrait hung up prominently to remind us of how badly we as a country f*cked up. That it can happen here.

  94. 94.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 18, 2020 at 10:07 am

    @Spanky: I’m good with a mug shot.

  95. 95.

    Doug R

    July 18, 2020 at 11:25 am

    @NotMax:

     

    In the future when his own portrait is added (*shudder*), maybe find a home for it in the broom closet of the bunker?

    Visitor restroom, over the toilets?

  96. 96.

    dnfree

    July 18, 2020 at 11:28 am

    @Salty Sam: there is a difference. A middle school is generally grades 6-7-8, and a junior high is grades 7-8. Except my junior high, in the 1950s. It was 7-8-9 and our high school was three years also.

  97. 97.

    Doug R

    July 18, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Is this thread accepting comments from me? The refresh count stays the same, no naked links-what gives?

  98. 98.

    Kropacetic

    July 18, 2020 at 11:37 am

    @debbie: Trump must not realize TR championed conservation. As for McKinley, huh?

    Trump not know history? Unpossible…

  99. 99.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2020 at 12:01 pm

    @Doug R: It looks like you were added to the ban list by mistake.  Someone must have clicked the wrong thing by mistake!

    Thanks for submitting the missing comments through the Site Feedback form!

    You are all good now.  :-

    edit:  by the way, naked links are fine.  more than 7 links gets you thrown into spam – until someone marks you not spam and releases it.  neither of those is what happened today.

  100. 100.

    Yutsano

    July 18, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    @rikyrah: I think Holder is wrong here. It’s only the worst possible moment if we despair at his passing and give up. If anything losing Rep. Lewis has made my resolve to see the world he and so many others were fighting for even stronger. We can’t lose this momentum. We have to get our democracy back. We need to win it for John. It’s what his spirit would want.

    And the Angel of Death better not even THINK about coming anywhere near Rep. Clyburn!

  101. 101.

    Ruckus

    July 18, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    There are 6 or 7 billion people in the world. Approx 1/3 of one billion live in the US, give or take at least a couple hundred thousand in six months or so. So that leaves a pretty healthy market for Chinese goods in the world without us. Hell their home market is nothing to sneeze at. And our current president has made it pretty clear that he’s not willing to live with anyone else in the world, or even a large portion of his own citizens. So really, how much is the loss of us as a market, especially as our “leader” is actively killing off his own citizens, has added tariffs to a lot of goods – making them less attractive, is a stark raving lunatic, and we elected him knowing that he is? I mean, is the smart play to actually attempt to remain a player in the US market? Or write us off as too far gone to bother…

  102. 102.

    Ruckus

    July 18, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    @Doug R:

    Visitor restroom, the wall behind the pee trough. Everyone gets a shot. See if you can make it look as if he’s crying…..

  103. 103.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 18, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    @prostratedragon: Maybe they have the same interest as Russia in keeping the US ineffectual internationally.

    (sigh) Most (if not all) of what’s been going down over the last few decades is readily comprehensible once one postulates that GOP stands for Global Oligarchy Putsch [1].

    This GOP isn’t out to destroy government, or even take it over for longer than needed to install a permanent complaisant autocracy. The goal is to destroy liberal democratic governance in the most powerful nations as the only movement that can possibly stand up to them.

    In a Global Oligarchy, the “gummint’s” only roles are tax collector and military/cop. Citizens pay up & get minimal services in return while the Global Oligarchs use national treasuries as their private ATMs [2]; they are encouraged to battle other “tribes” for more of an ever-diminishing pie to deflect blame from the Global Oligarchs raiding national treasuries as their private ATMs. The cops & military are there to enforce the GOs’ extraterritorial rights (e.g., the right not to obey any laws they don’t like [3, 4]) in-country and out-, & slap down the proles down hard if they get “uppity”.

    (Tl; dr version: Capital moves at the speed of light; The Club travels at jet speed; the lower classes can’t move at all.)

    State actors such as Putin’s mafiyacracy and the Chinese collective leadership have been grandfathered, or maybe godfathered, into The Club (the one that, per George Carlin, you & me ain’t in), because Vlad the Paler and the Xi-ites are doing the Lord’s, i.e., the GOP’s work as they strive to destabilize & delegitimize any form of responsible, responsive US government. As far as the GOs are concerned, Vlad and Xi are not really different from them, & they can all share the Global Oligarchy once it’s set in concrete….

    Except of course that these are the types of guys who don’t share willingly – & they have at their beck & call nuclear arsenals and death squads. And our putative Global Oligarchs, who grew up cossetted in the comfy bosom of the liberal democratic tradition, are odds-on to find out the hard way that they will not shrink from using either.

    Final point: The GOs are fine with Trump as an agent of destabilization – they don’t mind him “wetting his beak” in the gummint birdbath (it’s chump change to them) – but now that he looks to be headed for an epic trouncing, they’ll also be fine with him pulling out all the stops to snatch a second term of destruction. But if they end up with Uncle Joe, who sure as hell sound like he isn’t going to get with the pogrom program, they’ll have no problem with Agolf Twitler smashing/grabbing/trashing everything in sight on the way out so long as they can snatch any remaining levers of power while he’s distracting us. They’re waaaaay too close to cementing their grip on power already.

    Were I any one of the four liberal Justices, or the Speaker and the rest of the House Democratic leadership, I would be very, very careful about letting anyone not thoroughly vetted get within sneezing distance – & I wouldn’t go above the 3rd floor in any building with balconies or windows that open.

    /rant (flame away)

    [1] We will also accept Project or Plutocrats.

    [2] An extension of the theft of worker productivity to fill the oligarchs’ Money Bins that’s been going on since Reagan.

    [3] Daddy Warbucks’ little Annie in a family way from the wrong father & abortion’s illegal here? Time for a European holiday & a quiet rest cure in some Dutch retroactive birth control facility.

    [4] Fundanazis and Opus-Deitripper Catholics have free reign [5] to dictate public morality & enforce heavy penalties for noncompliance – but membership in The Club (or in a pinch, sufficient $$$ in the right places) is a Get Out Of Consequences card.

    [5] I’m fully aware it’s “rein” but couldn’t resist the pun, sorry.

  104. 104.

    Ruckus

    July 18, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Understand, he thinks that he is the center of the family, that everyone else is fucked up and he is normal. Isn’t delusion fun?

  105. 105.

    artem1s

    July 18, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: the most impressive thing I remember about Ted Kennedy’s funeral was the processions. Thousands lined up along the road to watch the motorcade go by.  from the family compound to the church and then to the cemetery.  I think this would be possible and a fitting way of honoring John Lewis.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    July 18, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    @Yutsano: If you haven’t yet watched the video from Adam’s thread last night, you will be amazed by how much of what he talked about is still happening today.

    Listening to him speak was inspirational.  We have to pick up his share of the fight.

  107. 107.

    JustRuss

    July 18, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    @Betty Cracker:  …says untruthful things about my wonderful parents (who couldn’t stand her!) and me, and violated her NDA.

    Trump has his family bound by NDAs??! Dear god that man is so, so twisted.

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