.@JoeBiden can unify the American people because he's spent his life fighting for us. And as president, he'll build an America that lives up to our ideals.
I'm honored to join him as our party's nominee for Vice President, and do what it takes to make him our Commander-in-Chief.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) August 11, 2020
America, let’s do this! pic.twitter.com/3a62UmB1PN
— Douglas Emhoff (@douglasemhoff) August 11, 2020
Obama statement: "Joe Biden nailed this decision. By choosing Senator Kamala Harris as America’s next vice president, he’s underscored his own judgment and character."
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 11, 2020
.@KamalaHarris will be a great partner to @JoeBiden in making our government a powerful force for good in the fight for social, racial, and economic justice. pic.twitter.com/q5ggXBro5B
— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) August 11, 2020
Thrilled to support @KamalaHarris as next VP. I was honored to speak with @JoeBiden at length over the weekend and again today. His focus on reaching out to every corner of our country speaks to how he will lead us. I look forward to doing all I can for Team #BidenHarris!
— Stacey Abrams (@staceyabrams) August 11, 2020
My warmest congratulations to @KamalaHarris. I am confident Biden-Harris will prove to be a winning ticket. I will do my utmost to help them win and govern. ?? pic.twitter.com/9pfJggZSV9
— Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice) August 11, 2020
I am extraordinarily proud to support @KamalaHarris and @JoeBiden! They will be a fierce team to Build America Back Better. #WeHaveHerBack pic.twitter.com/pxNnv5bGD2
— Gretchen Whitmer (@gretchenwhitmer) August 11, 2020
Congratulations to @KamalaHarris, who will make history as our next Vice President. She understands what it takes to stand up for working people, fight for health care for all, and take down the most corrupt administration in history. Let’s get to work and win.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) August 11, 2020
I. Am. So. Happy!!!!
— Neera -Wear a Mask -Tanden (@neeratanden) August 11, 2020
Why did @JoeBiden pick @KamalaHarris? According to his email to supporters, Beau: pic.twitter.com/oH2YEglgzo
— Ed O'Keefe (@edokeefe) August 11, 2020
In same way that Obama asked Clinton to be Sec of State after a brutal primary, Biden is choosing the person who dinged him hardest on stage. His team knows this and is betting people realize it's something Trump, who lives in grievance, would not do
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) August 11, 2020
Also — all the RIGHT people are very, very miserable…
To all the Kamala is a cop people: hahaha, fuck you.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 11, 2020
I’m stil not a Harris fan, but it looks like they practically had to shoot Trump with a tranquilizer rifle for him to be able to talk right now, so maybe it wasn’t such a bad idea.
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) August 11, 2020
Mike Pence has just announced he has a cold and a sore throat that will last about 3 months or so.
— Slava Malamud (@SlavaMalamud) August 11, 2020
Joe Biden picked the running mate who challenged him the most aggressively in the primary debates.
Trump picked the weakest sycophant he could find.
Pence is going to be in a critical burn unit after Harris sets him afire.
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) August 11, 2020
They're going with "Harris never apologized for smearing a good non-racist man like Joe Biden" because they're just so good at this. https://t.co/a3tgoNBpkJ
— Tentin Quarantino (@agraybee) August 11, 2020
Damn, Jacobin is already out with TWO pre-written articles about why Harris is disqualifying. Trump himself only had that one shitty video.
— Tentin Quarantino (@agraybee) August 11, 2020
If you want Trump to win (and you absolutely, 100% do, don't bother arguing that) you probably shouldn't cancel out his messaging that she's an antifa supersoldier. https://t.co/8Sb53JWhDE
— Tentin Quarantino (@agraybee) August 11, 2020
Benw
If you adopted a deer and named her Biden and a koala and named him Harris this year, what would you get?
DOE BIDEN/KOALA HARRIS 2020
Adam L Silverman
I told you so!
oopzwtf
This is a big fucking deal!
JPL
Now trump will blame absentee ballots and Pence for his loss.
Steeplejack
Goddamn, this is the most optimistic I have felt in a while. As I was reading down through the tweets I was impressed with all the unity, and I was thinking “If only Bernie would speak up.” And then, boom, a notably genial tweet from Bernie. Fuckin’ A!
TaMara (HFG)
Reupping from below. joebiden.com is back up. Biden-Harris merch bought.
debbie
I love that Trump is defending Joe. //
Adam L Silverman
@Benw:
via GIPHY
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: Don’t worry, I’ll do a post later this evening to get you back to normal.//
PsiFighter37
Jacobin wrote two articles already? LOL…
debbie
Tee hee.
TaMara (HFG)
This started the waterworks again.
zzyzx
Even my leftist twitter world is mostly in favor.
I mean she really was the obvious choice in so many ways, so I’m glad Biden made it.
Litlebritdifrnt
As I said below, Pence is shitting his pants right now.
dmsilev
@PsiFighter37: Probably pre-written just in case.
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
Thanks. I’ve got that to look forward to. And me almost out of rum.
L85NJGT
@debbie:
They’ll spend the next thirty days running against her, and fail.
BruceFromOhio
WOOO HOOOO! I AM SCREAMING!
I wanted to vote for Harris in the primary **SO**BAD** it just wore me down to see her campaign wither and fade. Now we get 3 months of Fox and Friends having a big squid-ink-of-butthurt fest on a daily basis, all the haterz having sadz because white privelege, and Senator Harris owning the shit out of every single sorry-assed one of them. Blue tsunami, bitchez, blue tsunami!
Two fingers of my favorite bourbon on the rocks for Biden/Harris! Salut!
And MrsFromOhio just bought me a new axe for the woodpile! RED LETTER DAY, PEOPLE!
Mo Salad
@Adam L Silverman: Thank dog someone with gif posting rights got that up.
Steeplejack
This just in: Mother has already made an appointment at Bloodbath & Beyond for Pence to be fitted with his special debate underwear.
Leto
I posted this at the end of the last thread, but posting it again here because we’re moving on:
Mindy Kaling and Kamala cooking together (from Nov of last year): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7rNOAFkgE
This just warms the soul.
gene108
@TaMara (HFG):
I’m sure the 4 year old, when she understands this will be very, very excited. Can’t wait for the 4 year old’s hand made signs at campaign rallies. :-)
Benw
@Adam L Silverman: I know right!? It’s so awesome
JPL
So sweet that Kamala has already been called nasty woman by the guy who gave her campaign 6,000. She ended up donating it to a non profit. Ivanka gave her 2,000 in 2014.
Leto
There’s some extremely good trouble headed their way.
p.a.
@Steeplejack: Maybe she’ll demand to be on stage too…
Adam L Silverman
@Mo Salad: All part of the service.
Patricia Kayden
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: Does Trader Joe’s deliver?
TaMara (HFG)
@Patricia Kayden: And my day just gets better
Adam L Silverman
From an Oakland, CA public defender:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/
Much more at the link above.
Leto
@Patricia Kayden: Man, if this is what causes him to finally stroke out… GOOD! Fuck’em!
MomSense
It feels so good to feel good about something! I am beyond thrilled. I keep crying – this is a great day.
MattF
@Patricia Kayden: Remarkable. Every word is a lie.
p.a.
@Patricia Kayden: Backstage after the presser: “Moe Larry cheese! Moe Larry cheese!” Or possibly “… hamberder!”
zhena gogolia
So, so happy.
MomSense
@Adam L Silverman:
Thank you! The Russian and Bernie Bro/ ? Twitter attacks have been so infuriating.
Baud
@MattF:
Suzanne
I think this was absolutely the right decision. I am very happy.
I am happy to have a cop as VP. Lock him up.
VOR
Good pick. Balances the ticket by age, geography, and gender. Fulfills Biden’s promise to pick a woman. Blue state senator so doesn’t risk losing a seat in the Senate. Will drive Trump crazy attempting to hold himself back from both racist and misogynist nicknames.
I wonder if this makes it more likely Pence could be replaced as VP by Nikki Haley as a countermove.
Martin
So, the importance of this pick is that Democrats are going to get a pretty sizable boost in campaigning energy and turnout. It has been said, and I agree with it, that black women are the key to Democratic victories. And they know that, and Dems need to deliver for them. Biden has just unlocked a lot of calling and door knocking. Black women will drag people to the polls if you deliver for them.
That doesn’t deliver California, we already had that. But it delivers Georgia, and North Carolina, and Michigan.
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
Alas, the Old Dominion maintains a monopoly on distilled beverages. Not like Florida, where you used to be able to get liquor—and an open drink to go—at the drive-through window. Good times. (Dunno if they still do that.)
MattF
@Baud: Fair point.
trollhattan
@Patricia Kayden:
Harris should rev up her best “What have you got to lose?” and aim it at Trump voters.
MomSense
@BruceFromOhio:
Cheers!!! Damn this is a wicked good day!
Baud
@VOR: I’d be shocked if Haley ties herself to Trump.
Ken
Published two articles already. I’d bet they were written weeks ago.
I’d also bet there’s ten more that won’t ever see the light of day, two for each of the other candidates explaining why she was the worst possible pick and has doomed the campaign.
Ken
So, Tuesday.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
“Phony Kamala”? Is that really the best they could do? That’s real weak tea
VOR
@Baud: Oh that ship has already sailed. UN Ambassador is a Cabinet-level role. Haley has been quiet, but she’s on the record.
But if Haley is VP, that would hurt Ivanka’s chances in 2024. And we know Donald is such a strategic thinker (hah!)
JMG
When I moved from sports beat reporter to columnist, the best advice I got from a veteran columnist was “don’t be afraid to grasp the obvious.” Sometimes there are no deep layers in a ballgame. Same with politics. One of Joe Biden’s strengths is he’s clearly not afraid to grasp the obvious, in this case, his obvious best choice.
Ken
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): You try writing campaign speeches for a man with a three-hundred word vocabulary.
Sister Golden Bear
@Patricia Kayden: Wonder how many horse tranquilizers they had to give Velveetamort prior to the press conference?
My lefty-than-thou friends from the Bay Area Political Hothouse ™ on the Book of Faces are unhappy but resigned. Holding my tongue for the moment, least I let loose a with “grow the fuck up, voting is a chess move, not a valentine.” With a few more colorful adjective.
Me, my day just got much better.
Albatrossity
A lot of foks who I know to be Bernie true believers are very very very disappointed in this choice. They don’t seem to understand how significant this day is for persons of color, and their fits of individual pique and conspiracy theories about how the DNC is running things etc. are just pathetic. Their candidate didn’t get the nomination because lots of other people VOTED for somebody who they didn’t support. They don’t seem to understand how racist they sound in dismissing those votes, and they sure don’t seem to understand that their stance for a single candidate rather than for progressive POLICIES is sorta, ummm, cult-like.
Sad for them, but happy for the country.
Hoodie
@Martin: Sitting in NC, I think you’re probably right. One thing I was wondering, will this enable Biden to really run up the score in CA and the rest of the west coast? I know it’s in the bag, which sometimes makes CA, OR and WA an afterthought and maybe depresses turnout to some degree. It would be nice to crush him in the popular vote and bigger than usual turnout there would help do that simply because a few percentage points extra there is like, what, a few million votes?
Cacti
Calling it now.
Pence will chicken out of the VP debate.
Ken
No charge for the fix.
raven
@Sister Golden Bear: Mine too.
PsiFighter37
@Martin: It could help us shut the GOP out even further in CA. Can’t hurt, at the least, in that state.
MisterForkbeard
@PsiFighter37: For the same reason that Lincoln Project had a video ready.
She was the obvious choice. LP was going to push her as soon as they could. Jacobin needed to sabotage the ticket ASAP. Just like Trump, oddly enough.
Steeplejack
@Albatrossity:
Who do they think Biden should have picked?
Leto
@Martin: Biden pointed out in an interview last week that he is fully aware of “who brought him to the dance” all these years, starting with his very first elected position. I hope this also makes the Indian-American community extremely proud, because she’s both, and she embraces both. Our diversity and humanity are our strength, and it’s fully on display here. Love it!
PsiFighter37
@MisterForkbeard: I’m well aware…it’s just ridiculous. Leftists always have a piece written up to complain about something as soon as it happens. It’s so tiring…but I get plenty of it from reading comments on The Guardian’s Facebook feed. If you think US leftists are self-defeating, the UK (at least for now) will have us beat on that front forever.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Sister Golden Bear:
I may just have to steal that line…
Adam L Silverman
@MomSense: You’re welcome.
WaterGirl
@VOR: In the year of 2020, Nikki Haley is too brown for the deplorables.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
I didn’t.
I didn’t want to jinx her. Either I was smart or there is no such thing as a jinx. In any event I didn’t want to take the chance.
Calouste
@VOR: Evangelicals are going to stay home if Pence is dropped from the ticket. Not all of them, or most of them, but enough to be noticeable.
Adam L Silverman
@VOR: If Pence is kicked to the curb it won’t be for Haley. She’s too brown for the President’s base. Kristy Noem would be the replacement.
Kay
@Patricia Kayden:
I think he does that deliberately when he’s rattled – it’s intended to show how unimportant the person is to him.
All of Donald Trump can be analyzed under the “asshole” framework. He’s a mean-spirited, petty asshole and that’s all he is.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: I rarely drink, so I largely don’t pay attention to these things. But I am familiar with what you describe from when I lived in Pennsylvania.
Ken
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’d suggest nominating it for a rotating tag, but… well, let’s just say the competition is stiff.
Sister Golden Bear
On a less happy note: Trump campaign reportedly considering whether to weaponize transphobia to save the president’s flailing re-election bid
At least—for now—they’re aware that it might backfire. But I’m not holding my breath. Because when in doubt, their go to has consistently been demonizing us trans folks.
Adam L Silverman
@Ken: Day ending in day.
JMG
Pence would not chicken out of a debate. He’s a trouper. Dumb, but a trouper nonetheless.
Adam L Silverman
@Sister Golden Bear: Just send them the op-ed I referenced several comments above.
Sister Golden Bear
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Steal away, although I believe it was writer, historian, and activist, Rebecca Solnit, who coined the phrase.
Ruckus
@debbie:
Jim is “forgetting” that shitforbrains has zero ability to see reality.
I do like that he’s poking shitforbrains though. That’s always a good day.
Adam L Silverman
@raven: Same thing, just send them that op-ed I referenced in a previous comment.
Frankensteinbeck
@Steeplejack:
From dipping my toes into Twitter reply sections, Elizabeth Warren has been magically resurrected from ‘just not her’ to ‘proof they would support a woman’. While graciously saying they would have been willing to put up with the fact that she betrayed Bernie.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: The Bernie or Bust/Democratic Socialist/Justice Democrats/Shitbird Left crowd wanted Nina Turner.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kay:
Quoted for truth.
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
That is nasty.
Good one.
Leto
@Kay: There’s a possibility with that (never discount an asshole being an asshole), but he also mispronunces tons of simple monosyllabic words. Cognitive decline coupled with stress, and whatever else is happening in that rat cage of a brain.
VeniceRiley
@Leto: Already seen some links talking up her heritage over there!
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/us/bidens-vp-pick-kamala-harris-has-deep-indian-roots20200812030700/
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: And her husband would be the first Jewish 2nd husband too! It’s like a President’s MAGA supporter’s worst nightmare: African-American/Indian-American woman of Afro-Caribbean and SE Asian descent with a Jewish American husband.
zhena gogolia
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It’s a good one.
Sister Golden Bear
@Adam L Silverman: I was just about to do that. Doubt it’ll make much difference.
The purity ponies on the left can be just as impervious to information that clashes with their worldview as the Trumpkins. Sad to see in people I thought knew better.
KenK
@BruceFromOhio:
Yikes. Careful that two fingers of bourbon and new axe don’t leave you with two fingers. BTW, I’m also from OH ?
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: Exactly!
Morzer
@Ken: To be fair, Trump also has a repertoire of grunts, wheezes and sniffles.
Adam L Silverman
@Calouste: No, white Evangelicals will not stay home if Pence is dropped from the ticket. The attraction isn’t that the President has been saved. Nor is it that Pence around means the white evangelicals have their own voice in the administration. The attraction is that the President hates who they hate and that he both reaffirms their hate and claims it is not hate. Rather it is, in fact, their faith. And he makes it very clear that as long as he is president he will protect their ability to be bigots, to claim their bigotry is really their deeply held religious faith, and to act on their bigotry. That is why they won’t abandon him.
MattF
@Adam L Silverman: So, Soros, again.
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
I was hoping for Briahna Joy Gray. Because if the Rethugs can have a major-league asshole on the ticket, I think the Democrat Party should have one too.
trollhattan
@Frankensteinbeck:
The “Vote Biden-Snake 2020” appeals would have been most welcome.
MomSense
@Sister Golden Bear:
Those motherfuckers.
Ruckus
@Ken:
Now that’s being generous! 300?
joel hanes
@Hoodie:
will this enable Biden to really run up the score in CA and the rest of the west coast?
I am no political prognosticator.
But Silicon Valley has a huge population of engineers from India and their families, and they’ve .. uh … not tended to be the most reliable voters for Democratic candidates.
I’m seeing massive rejoicing that Harris is the nominee in members of that community, particularly among the women.
Kay
The headline in the local paper is an automotive supplier closing. It’s a big hit. Probably 600 jobs.
Geminid
@MisterForkbeard: From time to time I’ll make myself read a Jerkobin article. Those guys are so full of shit.
Kropacetic
@Steeplejack: Man, looks like I cheaped out on my chastity device.
JPL
Sorta disappointed that Biden’s shop doesn’t have a nasty woman tshirt up yet.
Alison Rose
Not to be an Eeyore, but this is the kind of shit I’m gonna see from some of my FB friends. To be clear, this person (a Black woman) is a friend and generally she and I agree on many things. But…I just don’t even know how to respond to this kind of right off the bat, total dismissal.
I just think she’s wrong on every point…but right now I don’t have the fortitude to get into it with her, and as a white woman, I don’t want to step out of my lane and seem like I’m talking down. I don’t expect Black women to support Harris just because they and she are Black, of course. But this isn’t about just “not supporting,” this to me feels like willful obtuseness and stubbornness.
Ruckus
@Cacti:
dense does have a busy schedule.
Holding a straight face while typing that was very difficult.
So I didn’t.
artem1s
@Sister Golden Bear:
what can you even say? at least they recognize that being called a bigot is something vaguely bad. but of course they still can’t recognize that maybe the way to avoid not being called a bigot is to NOT BE A FUCKING BIGOT.
germy
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
Sir Bernie of course!
Adam L Silverman
@Sister Golden Bear: I’m aware. My brother is a Bernie supporter. He also voted for Nader in 2000.
I probably shouldn’t have hit him in the head so much when we were kids.
mali muso
Saw on Twitter (dunno how to embed on my phone)
L85NJGT
@artem1s:
They’re out of clues.
MattF
@Alison Rose: There’s going to be a lot of missing the point. Harris is a nationally known Black female politician who will make an excellent VP. Period.
Adam L Silverman
@MattF: That guy is way behind in sending me my checks. He’s going to pay what he owes!!!//
Steeplejack
@Kropacetic:
Nothing but the best for the GOP’s leading lights!
Adam L Silverman
@SFAW: I don’t think she’s old enough.
PsiFighter37
@Alison Rose: She’s dumb. Sometimes it all boils down to SATSQ.
germy
Steeplejack
@Alison Rose:
It would be interesting to hear her arguments, not just bald statements.
But, yeah, I wouldn’t get into it with her at this point.
Ken
Modesty forbids….
Leto
@Adam L Silverman: *chef’s kiss*
Kamala and a bunch of school kids doing a drum line dance; fucking amazing: https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/1293282777312268289
artem1s
@Cacti:
Dolt45 may very well ditch Pence now. He is nearly ready for his Chernobyl level explosion
. I think we are just about at that point where theplant managerJared tells his lackeys that it’s time to plunge the fuel rods back into the non-existent, blown off the face of the planet, cooling tank.When his final melt down does happen it’s going to be spectacular. If Pence is smart, he should make his move to get out of the blast radius right now. There is however, no escaping the fall out zone.
Just One More Canuck
@Adam L Silverman: Wrong. You should have hit him more
NotMax
@Alison Rose
Exact same things would have been posited by her regardless of who was chosen.
Some people harbor an insatiable urge to rain on any parade.
Steeplejack
Danielx
@Patricia Kayden:
excellent!
BruceFromOhio
@Frankensteinbeck:
Please, let’s just not go there. The bridges are mostly burnt. Either the Feel The Bern’ers vote for the Democratic candidate for president, or they don’t. If they do, welcome them into the fold to try and make things better. If they don’t, fuck ’em with a (figurative, rhetorical) rusty pitchfork. Let ’em stew like the rest of the butthurt, we got an election to win.
Ken
Or maybe you need to hit him in the head more now.
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: You can see her husband, behind her on the left, trying to do the Jewish version. Unfortunately, I don’t think rhythm can be acquired via osmosis.
JPL
@Steeplejack: lol He’s gonna have his mother sit next to him, isn’t he.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: Mother is going to have to accompany him on stage.
BruceFromOhio
@Adam L Silverman: Every time I see that name, I think of this. If loving this is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
MattF
@artem1s: Possibly. But Trump wants a repeat of his 2016 ‘miracle’, and might be wary of messing with the formula. However, I’m not making any predictions.
Frankensteinbeck
I checked in on Rose Twitter. It looks like the theme they’re settling on is ‘Elizabeth Warren is a snake.’ Yes, seriously. The most common commentary is that Warren betrayed Sanders to become VP, and got nothing for her efforts.
L85NJGT
Eric Trump sent me a fundraising letter with a “matching” check from the MAGA committee (or whatever it is) to send in to the campaign. I’m confused about how that works. Usually there is some big money donor going dollar for dollar on donations, but this was just from them, back to them. Are they double booking? Is it just some ponzi scheme to shake down the marks? Are they spending any of it on campaigning?
Sister Golden Bear
@germy I can see the attack ads now: “Biden-Harris are coming for yer guns—and the raisins in your potato salad!!!”
Spanky
You know, Bernie himself has shown that there’s a lot of daylight between himself and his so-called supporters. I’m pretty sure that at this point the Berniebros consist solely of Russian Bots-n-trolls and clueless purity ponies. Fuck ’em. Bernie’s on board.
Sure Lurkalot
@Adam L Silverman: Mellow harsher!
Spanky
@BruceFromOhio: Mike & Nina Turner?
BruceFromOhio
@Kay: Very sad, once those kind of jobs go away, they tend not to ever come back. And every job touches multiple lives.
Adam L Silverman
@BruceFromOhio: Except the one I’m talking about is a lot more like Ike personality and behavior wise.
Leto
@Adam L Silverman: You either got it or you don’t, and most of us white dudes just don’t got it :P
Sister Golden Bear
@Spanky: I think you meant Aunty Entity.
Two VPs enter, one VP leaves.
Alison Rose
@NotMax: Yeah, she definitely seemed to see only negatives in pretty much every candidate, with I think the exception of Warren.
JPL
On CNN Paul Begala said that trump’s press conference today was like a racist on a roulette wheel. Not sure how to attack.
Spanky
@Steeplejack: A little late to this sub-thread, but you know you can make a quick* run across the Legion Bridge and get some goodies on our side of the river. And if you’re going to go to that trouble, you might as well go all the way up I270 to Frederick and visit McClintock Distillery. They make all sorts of adult beverages, real good. I’m enjoying some Forager Gin with tonic right now.
If you do, I don’t recommend driving home the same day.
*- Narrator: There is never a “quick run” across the American Legion Bridge.
BruceFromOhio
@KenK: *toasts the fellow Buckeye*
No splitting wood today, I have test scripts to finish and am unfortunately stuck inside. Your concern is duly noted, thank you.
NotMax
@Alison Rose
We used to describe such a Captain Bringdown attitude with “He’d bitch if they hanged him with a new rope.”
Kay
@BruceFromOhio:
They’re a multinational so someone will still be making springs for America’s light trucks, but it is bad.
I’m a worrywart about the economy because I’m permanently scarred from the 2009 recession but even with that I don’t understand the optimism about the economy. Unemployment is too high. It has to bite us. It just feels like magic fairy dust again, like when real estate magically and inexplicably became worth 20% more btwn 2006 to 2008 :)
Ken
You must be talking about a different Trump, because I can’t see the occupant of the White House attempting to hold back.
Kropacetic
Maybe if they were more interested in finding a capable person who could implement the policies they want rather than signing a blood oath to the first person they hear vaguely utter the basic idea behind those policies.
Bernie and Trump, through their actions and inadequacies, pretty much guaranteed Biden would be the nominee (with a boost from the media).
Fair Economist
@Alison Rose: Just post some polling. Harris was the most supported VP candidate.
MazeDancer
Got my “Biden/Harris” bumper sticker 2-pack and mug at JoeBiden.com
Shipping rates were brutal.
Ask me if I care…
The Pale Scot
@Kay:
“Whatever” Archie Bunker
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: I still can’t believe any of them thought this was remotely an option.
But then, some of them still believe Bernie should unsuspend his campaign so clearly they’re note entirely ‘there’.
Matt McIrvin
@Calouste: I think white evangelicals’ loyalty has been pretty much completely transferred to Trump himself by this point.
Kropacetic
Also, even if you can keep a rhythm, that still doesn’t necessarily mean you can express it with your body.
Martin
@Hoodie: Oh, god, Clinton won CA by 30 – 3 million votes. Not sure there’s any running up of the score needed here. Might help a few tight house races, but honestly, we need to win elsewhere.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Spanky:
I appreciate the info, but I live literally three blocks from a Virginia ABC store. I’m just too lazy to put on the tactical gear (pants!) and go out tonight. I’m not that much of a boozer.
ETA: Made a note to visit McClintock Distillery sometime.
Ruckus
@L85NJGT:
You don’t think they’ve been looking for them do you?
Matt McIrvin
@Frankensteinbeck: They still see Warren’s takedown of Mike Bloomberg as primarily a betrayal of Bernie Sanders, as if everything in politics has to be about that guy.
Frank Wilhoit
@Sister Golden Bear:
@Adam L Silverman: …and yet they are acting like they are afraid that some of that support is soft. They are not acting like the evangelicals are in the bag, wherefore they might be able to focus their attention elsewhere. I wonder why that is….
Kay
Well. Glad to see there’s a plan!
geg6
@Adam L Silverman:
It’s not as bad as it was. You can buy beer and wine in many grocery stores and Sheetz stores now, although with a limited inventory. And the general public can now order directly from the LCB online and you don’t have to get an entire case. It’s not a free for all like some states but much more convenient than it used to be.
WaterGirl
I could go for two solid days where we appreciate a VP choice, an excellent VP choice at that, without worrying or caring what the Bernie bots think.
If they’re not on board by now, they never will be. Maybe it would be best to stop giving them space in our heads? They’re not worth it. Unless they come knocking on the door, and then we should graciously let them in. Regardless of how late they might be, if they haven’t voted for Trump yet, it’s not too late.
If we can go for 2 days, then maybe maybe we can go for a solid week. They are old news, and they matter not at all. Unless they are people who are otherwise important in your life, but then that’s a whole different conversation than the one we’ve been having here.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack (phone): Just print this out and take it with you:
MCA1
@Baud: That she’s so busy whining about her popcorn order not arriving in the mail yet would seem to indicate she’s not putting much effort into trying shiv Pence anymore.
Geminid
Aside from her experience and qualifications, Harris could be a good nominee in a tactical sense. She can get under trump’s skin, and get him to punch down. And she won’t be afraid to counterpunch around his 50″ belt.
Adam L Silverman
@Kay: I know both. I’m friendly with Yingling. Nagl and I do NOT get along.
Patricia Kayden
@Sister Golden Bear: I don’t see how attacking transgender people will boost Trump’s campaign but I’m not a raging bigot.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I assume this means donations to the new ticket, but he doesn’t clarify
Kropacetic
@Patricia Kayden: The Rs already got the transphobe vote on lock.
Jeffro
@Steeplejack: the Democratic Justice League!!! ???
Kay
@The Pale Scot:
Oh, it’s just all so lame. You’ve encountered people like him. Every interaction is a dominance exercise. I loathe them because it’s just so boring. The people who deliberately keep you waiting, give you a lower chair, get your name wrong, it’s too boring to even engage with.
My son in law’s father is one. No, I am not playing this game at brunch, asshole. I get paid for that.
Leto
@Kay: things you learn: Nagl lives right down the road from me. The military isn’t the department that will handle that, as Adam has pointed out. That’s the Secret Service. Of course that’s another norm I’m sure will be tested.
NotMax
@Kay
Emphatic no.
It is neither the job nor the place of the military. Those belong to the Secret Service.
(It’s not a condition which is gonna happen, anyway.)
BruceFromOhio
@WaterGirl: this, this, this. Thank you, WG.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I think it might be a compulsion now.
I think this was a brilliant pick and I am thrilled that Harris accepted. I say let’s have a little bit of unadulterated joy and them get back to work. Fuck the haters of whatever political stamp.
Jeffro
@Litlebritdifrnt: I seriously doubt Pence gives a crap…he knows he can just spout whatever he wants, all in 100% fake earnestness, and the media will call it a draw at best.
mrmoshpotato
GOOD!
Frank Wilhoit
@Martin: The point of “running up the score” in the popular vote is that the only way to block the 12th Amendment strategy will be to make them lose their nerve. California is the only place where “running up the score” could make the difference between less or more than 10 million popular votes: which is a nice, big, fat, round number whose mouth-feel the media will enjoy. The 12th Amendment is the Republicans’ Plan A; there will be nothing that the courts or the military can do about it, because it adheres to the black letter of the Constitution and because it will be, in the first instance, a state concern. If we are going to turn it back, it will be with soft power, and there will be a fairly short window in which to intimidate them out of it. Every bit of ammunition will help.
Kay
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t it wild? I feel like this every day now. Nate Silver wrote a big nerdy disclaimer about how his predictions can’t include people breaking the law in the election. This is our norm now. We’ll be different after this- probably worse but maybe better :)
Jeffro
@Baud: ??
she already has been, even recently, defending the maladministration
Jim, Foolish Literalist
/sigh/
Jeffro
@Kay: and look who they are doing it for, that’s the amazing thing. Possibly our worst human being
Martin
@Martin: Let me add to this.
California dominates quite a few aspects of the US. I think that’s good insofar as CA is doing good, but I think it’s counterproductive for CA to dominate on popular vote too heavily.
If Dems are arguing for a national popular vote, having CA out there singlehandedly putting Clinton over the popular vote line, giving 6x the winning vote margin as Texas offered up, that’s not helping our ultimate goal.
Yes, 1/5 of the Dem House caucus is from CA, and without CA throwing mountains of Dems out there we would be in the minority, but we need to make sure that CA isn’t an impediment on progress by simply drowning out so much of the rest of the nation.
PAM Dirac
@Steeplejack (phone)
You might aldo consider 10th Ward Distilling, a few blocks away from McClintock’s. They make a rye that is aged in barrels that were used for Flying Dog’s Gonzo Porter. Amazing amount of trading of barrels, mashs, and other stuff between the breweries, distilleries, and wineries in the area.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Agreed.
Adam L Silverman
@Kay: To the point they make, the simple reality is GEN Milley will do nothing. To the extent that he has the power and the authority, and he really doesn’t, he will keep the US military in garrison and on base. That’s what he signaled in his mea culpa about being seen to appear to be political when he accompanied the President across Lafayette Square to the church for the photo op. Milley has made his decision, as long as he is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the US military will stay out of it. Moreover, both Yingling and Nagl know better. Milley commands no troops. He has no Soldiers. He gives no orders. He is basically the most senior general officer/flag officer administrator/bureaucrat and the President’s senior military advisor. That’s it, that’s his job.
japa21
@Adam L Silverman: Check with DeJoy. I think he put out orders to stop any mail with Soros’ return address.
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
Essential function of a vice president is to go along with the president.
Period. End of argument.
Adam L Silverman
@Patricia Kayden: Solidify the white Evangelical and traditionalist Catholic base that they’re worried about potentially going wobbly on them.
piratedan
@Alison Rose: to be fair, there are a few counterpoints…
starting with her point #4 is just flat out blatantly wrong. Harris ran for President in 2020 and if Biden holds true and retires in 2024 (providing he’s elected) she will be poised for the nomination in 2024 better than any other Democrat.
point #2 – we’re on the cusp of great social change in the country and if they can’t see a woman of color being on the ticket as a harbinger of that change, then I want a sample of whatever the fuck she is smoking
point #3 – since we are on the cusp of radical judicial and political reform, having a running mate who has argued the law, enforced the law and drafted and created new laws would seem to be a pretty big fucking Biden deal.
point #4 – see above for police reform and decriminalization of marijuana and perhaps even efforts to remove some of the stigma from the sex trade
point #5 – she already knows what laws were broken by the current administration and would be in a position to help drive home the prosecution of said criminals.
Elizabelle
@Alison Rose: Your FB “friend” appears to be factually wrong on all her suppositions. So: don’t worry about her; maybe she will come around; maybe she will not.
Just be happy we have a great VP pick. Because we do.
To make you happy: one of my FB friends, who is a Trump voter but wonderful other than that (geography, geography) told me she likes Kamala Harris. She will not vote for her and Biden, but it was a gracious thing to say.
I like our chances with Biden-Harris. It is a strong ticket.
lamh36
After 5 tries, I finally got my Biden/Harris merch, site kept crashing…LOL
@Alison Rose: I am a Black Woman. My FB is majority of folks I know, and yes majority AA. Not all of my FB folks have been open to Kamala, but most were pro-Biden and anti-Trump.
Every so often I’ll get someone who says something stupid or whatever, here’s what I posted to my FB in a series of posts in response to the annoucment that Kamala Harris was the choice:
Barbara
@Martin: With all due respect, that doesn’t make sense. Popular vote is popular vote.
Adam L Silverman
@Leto: Nagl is also a self aggrandizing, delusional nut job. There’s a reason he’s running a boarding school and not running CNAS anymore. The CNAS board told him he either got his head straight regarding what the US was actually doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and how both those conflicts were going and likely to continue to go or he could continue to be delusional about them as the First High Priest of Counterinsurgency Theory somewhere else. He couldn’t do the former, and no one else, including his friends with political appointments in the Obama administration, would hire him. So now he’s a high school principle.
Omnes Omnibus
@piratedan: Neither Biden nor Harris will be involved in any prosecutions of anyone from the Trump administration. It won’t be their job. Biden, to his credit, has already said this.
TaMara (HFG)
Alison Rose
@piratedan: Agree with all of this.
Omnes Omnibus
@Martin: That makes no sense.
lamh36
Alison Rose
@Elizabelle: I am definitely happy, and I’m mostly just going to ignore her posts. She has the right to feel however she does, but I’m not going to let anyone tell me that I should feel the same way because reasons.
TaMara (HFG)
@lamh36: ?
NotMax
Betting is now open on how long before Dolt 45 “slips up” and calls her Kamammy in public.
//
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
I still have the one efgoldman gave me a few years ago when we had lunch. He is the patron saint of the pants resistance. I try to use it sparingly, though.
Steeplejack
@Jeffro:
?♂️???♀️??
Martin
@Frank Wilhoit: Hmm. Hadn’t considered that. Yes, I would think CA could reach 10M votes for Biden/Harris. That’s 1.3M more than Clinton got. Between Trump flips and energized turnout it could happen. The GOP has lost nearly a million registrations since 2016, while the Dems have picked up a small number. No party affiliation got all of the lost GOPs.
I’m not sure that would cause them to lose their nerve, though. They’re already well beyond any lines I thought could not be crossed.
mrmoshpotato
@Patricia Kayden: Haha! SAD! Even for a Soviet shitpile mobster manbaby.
Kropacetic
As someone completely unmotivated by the top of the ticket, I vehemently disagree with this.
Kent
If she has ambitions, she is better off waiting for 2024.
Alison Rose
@lamh36: YES to bringing actual facts as opposed to warmed-over empty complaints. Thank you for your take on this.
MCA1
@Martin: There’s certainly logic there. Harris might hurt more than help in Wisconsin, where the racism runs deeper than I wanted to believe until four year ago. But I think you’re right that her presence on the ticket sort of ices Michigan for Biden and leads to greater voter enthusiasm in Georgia (where people might literally have to crawl over broken glass to vote as long as Kemp’s in charge) and NC. No idea if she’ll be well-received in Florida, Pennsylvania, Arizona, or more well-received than any other choice might have.
This further adds to one of my pet theories, which is that one of the most annoyingly persistent (because it’s so obviously false) bits of conventional wisdom in the world of politics is that choosing a VP candidate from a swing state to try and deliver it is a time-honored, wise strategy. Dotard didn’t need help in Indiana. Obama didn’t need Delaware, nor did he need Biden to deliver it. W got nothing electorally from Wyoming. The list goes on. The only recent attempts at picking a running mate to win a swing state were Edwards and Ryan, both of whom failed to help win their home states while their partners lost the overall election. Gore may have helped Clinton (depending on the Perot effect), but 1990 was like five centuries ago at this point.
It’s even less true in our hyperpartisan landscape. Here’s an example: a lot of people were speculating that Whitmer might make a good choice based partly on her recent success in keeping Michigan a bright spot in the COVID wars, but mostly just because she’s from Michigan and might bring enough votes to make sure the state’s out of reach. Let me tell you, I just spent the better part of the last month in the northern part of the state, and the third most popular yard sign I saw (after MAGA ’20 flags and those ugly grey “blue line” American flags) was one that said “My governor is an idiot” with the tagline “Pure Moron” playing on the state tourism board’s slogan of “Pure Michigan.” Those people aren’t crossing over out of state pride, or having their cult beliefs challenged enough by the evidence of a competent statewide leader from the other party to sway their vote for president. No f’ing way. To the contrary – Whitmer’s presence would have riled up even the MAGAt’s who are otherwise feeling sheepish and embarrassed right now, and motivated them to vote instead of stay on the sidelines depressed.
Sister Golden Bear
@Patricia Kayden: Beating up on Teh Gayz, and anti- same-sex marriage ballot initiatives, actually did help Bush in the 2004 election.
So they’re going with what they know, and it’s red meat for the bible humpers, so it might get some of them to vote instead of sitting out the election if they’re unhappy with Trump for other reasons.
In truth, I’m more concerned about some sort of anti-trans executive order to jizz up the evangelicals between now and November. These have already done a huge amount of damage over the last four years, and still many ways they could fuck us over. For example, declaring the Social Security Administration’s records will only list the gender you’re assigned at birth. Since all other government ID records reference the SSA’s records,* this would forcibly out trans people. In the past, trans people have been outed when employers checked SSA info about found mismatches in the gender listed.
(*When I got my name/gender legally changed, the first stop was to the SSA to get that updated. Only once that was done, I could update my driver’s license and passport.)
Not that it matters at the moment, but passports used to not let you change your gender, then it was only if you’d had genital surgery (which is hugely expensive and many trans folks can’t afford, or have medical conditions the make it not doable, or who simply don’t feel the need to do). Thankfully in recent years, it’s not been a big problem, but those changes were via administrative policy and could easily be reversed.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Sister Golden Bear:
“Because in a time when three times the number of folks killed in Vietnam died from a mismanaged pandemic, effective unemployment is pushing 30%, tens of thousands of businesses are being shuttered for good and the cities are becoming racially conflicted battlegrounds over decades of petty and overaggressive policing that brutalizes people of color, aiming the ire of common folk against the trans community is a real vote-getter.”
Y’think that the emphasis on optics and messaging is ringing hollow when people are clamoring for workable and empathetic solutions?
Alison Rose
@TaMara (HFG): That dude deserved to be arrested just for the hair.
Kent
I was out on a long bike ride with my daughter this afternoon and we returned to this news. Very cool. The woke 17 year old is very excited about this choice. In her opinion, Harris is the most pro-LGBT of all the candidates, including Buttigieg who, as a 17 year old LGBT girl, she never warmed to. I haven’t done a policy comparison to determine if she is right on policy. But it is how she feels and the pick makes her happy.
Another Scott
Kamala was the obvious choice, and a good one. Uncle Joe has lived his life in the middle lane of Democratic politics for decades, and picked someone who he obviously has known and respected for a long time who also knows how to live in the middle lane. Joe isn’t going to surprise us on important decisions.
I’m reminded of this famous picture of them together in DC in December 2018…
Let’s get it done! Forward!!
Cheers,
Scott.
sdhays
@Sister Golden Bear: Woah. When Pat McCrory is concerned that you might be called a bigot…
Ken
Well, considering the Pizzagate nonsense with “every accusation is a confession” in mind, the recent arrest of Ghislane Maxwell suggests one possible bombshell that might peel away a few evangelical votes.
Albatrossity
@Steeplejack: They aren’t even in the ballpark of “who do they think Biden should have picked?”. They are still pissed that it is Biden rather than Bernie doing the picking.
Like I said, it’s a cult…
Omnes Omnibus
Anyone in Wisconsin who won’t vote for Biden because Harris is on the ticket wasn’t going to vote for Biden anyway. Also, god knows, Paul Ryan didn’t pull Wisconsin over to Romney, and he was a native son in a race against a African-American Bears fan.
Steeplejack
@PAM Dirac:
Thanks, added to the list.
Jeffro
@Steeplejack: win
The Pale Scot
@BruceFromOhio:
I thought about going there…
Kent
Right. They don’t merit that much attention. Plenty of regional assistant AGs who can handle the job. In the series Band of Brothers there is a surrender scene at the end where some aristocratic German General is trying to surrender and Major Winters puts his former first sergeant who just received a battlefield commission to 2nd Lt. forward to receive the surrender to the obvious annoyance of the preening German.
Put some good hungry assistant AG types in command with good staffs and let them make their careers chasing the Trump crimes 24/7.
Albatrossity
@WaterGirl: “If they’re not on board by now, they never will be.”
Exactly. They want to take over the party, but are unwilling to support the party’s nominees. That is not how it works…
The Pale Scot
@L85NJGT:
Take a photo and post on Twitter. If the routing codes are legit, and these morons are that stupid, the account will have been siphoned over to Cyprus by the morn
sdhays
@Kent: As I recall, just a week or two ago she was ridiculed for delivering absurdly obsequious praise for Donnie Dump, but maybe I’m getting her confused with someone else.
They’re all so awful.
Martin
@Omnes Omnibus: The only category of ‘undecided voter’ left is whether they will vote, not who they will vote for. There is no point appealing to Republicans. Just energize Dems, pull in disaffected nonpartisans, and tell the GOP to fuck off on everything.
Martin
@L85NJGT: Yes, they are double-booking. They’re matching dollars with dollars they already have.
Another Scott
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks for the pointer. It’s a good, and important, read.
Cheers,
Scott.
MCA1
@Omnes Omnibus: Maybe so. I guess it’s just as possible that a lot of the folks in Appleton (or Brookfield) who have a deep loathing of “Madison liberals” but might have been alright with centrist Biden would have had their Pavlovian bells rung the wrong way if Warren were on the ticket with him. Obama won Wisconsin easily, twice, further undercutting my speculation (which, in my defense, was pretty timidly worded :^) ).
WaterGirl
@BruceFromOhio: @Omnes Omnibus:
That’s how I feel about it, too.
Mary G
I am weeping with joy. Kamala was my heart’s choice. She’ll be a great complement to Uncle Joe.
I watched her fearlessness in refusing to ask for the death penalty for the killing of a cop, and even more, the spine of steel she displayed afterwards when law enforcement tried to sabotage her, making it crystal clear who worked for who. Plus she is a joyful warrior who will run rings around Pence with a smile on her face. So happy today.
Kent
Harris might be substantially better than Warren for carrying WI. She is more likely to help turn out the Dem vote in Milwaukee while perhaps less likely to trigger the MAGA fundies in the rural parts of the state who seem to be triggered by Warren.
But it’s all 5th dimensional chess. Winning WI is all about getting out the vote in Milwaukee and sidestepping the voter suppression that the legislature is going to try to push forward.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kent: We interpret the Band of Brothers scene differently. Winters put Lipton up to accept the surrender as a recognition of Lipton’s contributions. As far and the general goes, he wasn’t the only only whose surrender was accepted by a junior officer; von Choltitz surrendered Paris to, I believe, a French captain. The snobbery of the traditional German types simply required an officer. FWIW I saw remnants of it when I was in Germany in the late ’80s – early ’90s. I’ve had Germans older than me switch from du to sie when they found out I was an officer. It’s a bit nuts.
Redshift
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Biden has already said in appearances with Warren that it is not appropriate for the president to direct the prosecutions one way or another, but that it will not be policy of his administration to let any wrongdoing or crimes during the previous administration go.
I am somewhat resigned to the probability that Trump will not be prosecuted federally for actions while in office because it’s a slippery slope, but Barr? Jared? ICE and CBP appointees? Absolutely.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kent: My guess is that MCA1 and I do understand a little of what is happening in Wisconsin. But go ahead and Oregon-splain it to us anyway.
Another Scott
@MazeDancer: Where are the big car magnets!!
:-(
Cheers,
Scott.
Kent
Well, anyway I won’t argue with you on that. My point is that the entire Trump clan and all of their enablers are common criminals (emphasis on the common) that any good team of Federal prosecutors should be able to handle. They don’t deserve any kind of special kid glove treatment or special attention from above beyond making sure they have the resources and authority to do their jobs.
Kent
What, are you offended that I made a comment? This is a comment section after all. I doubt anyone actually knows the precise formula that will maximize success in diverse swing states like WI, PA, FL, AZ, etc.
Brachiator
@Steeplejack:
Made me laugh!
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Once again, you Establishment Dems are rigging the whole deal against Bernie and his supporters.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kent: No, comment away. But explaining the keys to Wisconsin to two people who live here is a bit much.
Kent
@Omnes Omnibus: Are you saying that widespread voter suppression and lower turnout in Milwaukee in 2016 wasn’t the factor that flipped the state to Trump?
Omnes Omnibus
@Kent: No. I’ve been saying that since November of 2016. I’ve been concerned about it since the voter ID law was passed while I was working at the agency that oversaw WI elections in 2011. I wasn’t saying you were wrong; I was saying that people in WI might not need to have WI explained to them by someone else.
Brachiator
@MCA1:
This probably has not been a meaningful strategy since 1960, and maybe not even then.
Kent
Kennedy won TX by 2 points in 1960 so *maybe* it did work then. But not since.
Kent
@Omnes Omnibus: I honestly don’t keep track of where everyone here is from other than Cole (obviously) and Betty Cracker. I didn’t realize I was jumping into a discussion between two Wisconsinites. Carry on.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Redshift: I am as annoyed by Cole’s retroactive firebaggery as I am by his sloppy discussion of “prosecution”. Also, I think jumping straight to prosecutions is the wrong way to think about holding the trump administration accountable. Public hearings, get the facts out first. And that assumes we win not just the White House but the Senate, and even then it’s still a heavy lift.
Another Scott
(That’s the date she announced she was suspending her campaign.)
Sounds good to me!
Cheers,
Scott.
J R in WV
@Ken:
The vast number of evangelical preachers who have been arrested and convicted of molesting youngsters of all genders in their churches is amazing and contradicts your point.
Many evangelicals are strongly in favor of sex with very young people, sadly!
Kent
@J R in WV: Yes, if hypocrisy was a problem for evangelicals there wouldn’t be any left.
Kropacetic
Or at least forgiving it as long as you push for their values* and culture*. However if you are gay or a straight ally who pushes against them, you are akin to a pedophile, the worst thing you could be.
AnotherBruce
I don’t know if this isn’t true. I thought that Harris that Biden was the VP pick all along. He was auditioning the other female candidates all along. The goal of this wasn’t to play offense, it was to build a cabinet that was going to get off the goal running. And when he does that, he will get back to going the to get the best. Smart because the suburban women who want their children to live.
Miss Bianca
@Sister Golden Bear:
Ha! Girl, I am soooo stealing this line!
Miss Bianca
@Spanky: Yeah, I’m grateful that Bernie decided to get on board. One less thing to worry about. His claque of diehard fans can fuck right off, but most of the Bernie voters I know are at least resigned, if not coming right around, to Biden – and I think some of them might even get excited by Biden/Harris!
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@WaterGirl: Amen, sister. Every time someone posts about the purity ponies, I think, “who cares”. I certainly don’t. Fuckem and ignore them.
MCA1
@Kent: Well, I must admit I’m a F.I.B. (F’ing Illinois Bastard in Wisconsonese). But I grew up in The State of Hockey and lived in Michigan for 3 years, too, so I’ve spent my entire life other than my college years bordering Cheeselandia, so I know its politics and demographics better than I do those of probably 47 other states. Undoubtedly nowhere near as well as Omnes does, though.
Jay Noble
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: We have so many facts already out there that public hearings would just be a waste of time and money and give them a chance to muddy the waters. Prosecute them and make them defend themselves. NO grandstanding on either side.