Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

People are weird.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

White supremacy is terrorism.

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

Second rate reporter says what?

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

Just because you believe it, that does not make it true.

Republicans got rid of McCarthy. Democrats chose not to save him.

He really is that stupid.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

If America since Jan 2025 hasn’t broken your heart, you haven’t loved her enough.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

In after Baud. Damn.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Every decision we make has lots of baggage with it, known or unknown.

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  1. 1.

    Benw

    If you adopted a deer and named her Biden and a koala and named him Harris this year, what would you get?

    DOE BIDEN/KOALA HARRIS 2020

  5. 5.

    Steeplejack

    Goddamn, this is the most optimistic I have felt in a while. As I was reading down through the tweets I was impressed with all the unity, and I was thinking “If only Bernie would speak up.” And then, boom, a notably genial tweet from Bernie. Fuckin’ A!

  11. 11.

    debbie

    Tee hee.

    Given Harris’s reputation as a prosecutor, I think if I were Trump I might be more polite.

    I mean, with the odds being that she’ll be the one heading up the Biden Administration’s investigation into his presidency and all. https://t.co/lAe3xzv9SO
    — Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) August 11, 2020

  13. 13.

    zzyzx

    Even my leftist twitter world is mostly in favor.

    I mean she really was the obvious choice in so many ways, so I’m glad Biden made it.

  18. 18.

    BruceFromOhio

    WOOO HOOOO! I AM SCREAMING!

    I wanted to vote for Harris in the primary **SO**BAD** it just wore me down to see her campaign wither and fade. Now we get 3 months of Fox and Friends having a big squid-ink-of-butthurt fest on a daily basis, all the haterz having sadz because white privelege, and Senator Harris owning the shit out of every single sorry-assed one of them. Blue tsunami, bitchez, blue tsunami!

    Two fingers of my favorite bourbon on the rocks for Biden/Harris! Salut!

    And MrsFromOhio just bought me a new axe for the woodpile! RED LETTER DAY, PEOPLE!

  22. 22.

    gene108

    @TaMara (HFG):

    I’m sure the 4 year old, when she understands this will be very, very excited. Can’t wait for the 4 year old’s hand made signs at campaign rallies. :-)

  24. 24.

    JPL

    So sweet that Kamala has already been called nasty woman by the guy who gave her campaign 6,000.    She ended up donating it to a non profit.   Ivanka gave her 2,000 in 2014.

  25. 25.

    Leto

    Neal Katyal @neal_katyal
    Wish John Lewis could see this.
    4:38 PM · Aug 11, 2020

    There’s some extremely good trouble headed their way.

  31. 31.

    Adam L Silverman

    From an Oakland, CA public defender:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/10/kamala-harris-progressive-pioneer-san-francisco-da-column/3334668001/

    Public defender: I worked with Kamala Harris. She was the most progressive DA in California.

    I grappled with this idea of defending a former prosecutor for a long time, but I have to say what I feel is right to set the record straight on Harris.

    Niki Solis
    Opinion contributor

    There has been much talk about the time Sen. Kamala Harris spent as a prosecutor. As a public defender for 24 years, I examined, critiqued and battled Harris when she was the San Francisco district attorney. And more often than not, Harris and I were on opposite sides.

    Having had this experience, I feel compelled to speak on Harris’ record while she was a district attorney. Simply put, Harris was the most progressive prosecutor in the state. This is not an anecdotal opinion. It is based on facts.

    As San Francisco DA, Harris refused to seek the death penalty — even on a case where a very respected police officer was tragically killed. Marijuana sales cases were routinely reduced to misdemeanors. And marijuana possession cases were not even on the court’s docket. They were simply not charged. Unless there was a large grow case, or a unique circumstance, this was the reform-minded approach then-DA Harris’ office took. The accusations about marijuana prosecutions being harsh during her tenure are absurd. The reality was quite the opposite.

    Trafficking fight and ‘Back on Track’

    Sen. Harris’ progressive approach did not end with marijuana prosecutions or lack thereof. She co-founded the Coalition to End the Exploitation of Kids. She then spearheaded a task force combating the human trafficking of girls. Upon her invitation, I went to the task force meetings to speak on behalf of one of my juvenile clients. My client, a beautiful teenage girl, had aspirations of joining the military. She was selling her body to earn money when her life was cut short; she was found dead in a San Francisco dumpster.

    Much more at the link above.

  33. 33.

    MomSense

    It feels so good to feel good about something!  I am beyond thrilled.  I keep crying – this is a great day.

  39. 39.

    Suzanne

    I think this was absolutely the right decision. I am very happy.

    I am happy to have a cop as VP. Lock him up.

  40. 40.

    VOR

    Good pick. Balances the ticket by age, geography, and gender. Fulfills Biden’s promise to pick a woman. Blue state senator so doesn’t risk losing a seat in the Senate. Will drive Trump crazy attempting to hold himself back from both racist and misogynist nicknames.

    I wonder if this makes it more likely Pence could be replaced as VP by Nikki Haley as a countermove.

  41. 41.

    Martin

    So, the importance of this pick is that Democrats are going to get a pretty sizable boost in campaigning energy and turnout. It has been said, and I agree with it, that black women are the key to Democratic victories. And they know that, and Dems need to deliver for them. Biden has just unlocked a lot of calling and door knocking. Black women will drag people to the polls if you deliver for them.

    That doesn’t deliver California, we already had that. But it delivers Georgia, and North Carolina, and Michigan.

  42. 42.

    Steeplejack

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Alas, the Old Dominion maintains a monopoly on distilled beverages. Not like Florida, where you used to be able to get liquor—and an open drink to go—at the drive-through window. Good times. (Dunno if they still do that.)

  47. 47.

    Ken

    @PsiFighter37: Jacobin wrote two articles already?

    Published two articles already. I’d bet they were written weeks ago.

    I’d also bet there’s ten more that won’t ever see the light of day, two for each of the other candidates explaining why she was the worst possible pick and has doomed the campaign.

  48. 48.

    Ken

    @Patricia Kayden: Trump has a total meltdown, mispronounces Kamala Harris’s name, accuses Obama and Joe Biden of treason, and calls Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas” all in the same rant.

    So, Tuesday.

  49. 49.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    “Phony Kamala”? Is that really the best they could do? That’s real weak tea

  50. 50.

    VOR

    @Baud: Oh that ship has already sailed. UN Ambassador is a Cabinet-level role. Haley has been quiet, but she’s on the record.

    But if Haley is VP, that would hurt Ivanka’s chances in 2024. And we know Donald is such a strategic thinker (hah!)

  51. 51.

    JMG

    When I moved from sports beat reporter to columnist, the best advice I got from a veteran columnist was “don’t be afraid to grasp the obvious.” Sometimes there are no deep layers in a ballgame. Same with politics. One of Joe Biden’s strengths is he’s clearly not afraid to grasp the obvious, in this case, his obvious best choice.

  53. 53.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Patricia Kayden: Wonder how many horse tranquilizers they had to give Velveetamort prior to the press conference?

    My lefty-than-thou friends from the Bay Area Political Hothouse ™ on the Book of Faces are unhappy but resigned. Holding my tongue for the moment, least I let loose a with “grow the fuck up, voting is a chess move, not a valentine.” With a few more colorful adjective.

    Me, my day just got much better.

  54. 54.

    Albatrossity

    A lot of foks who I know to be Bernie true believers are very very very disappointed in this choice. They don’t seem to understand how significant this day is for persons of color, and their fits of individual pique and conspiracy theories about how the DNC is running things etc. are just pathetic. Their candidate didn’t get the nomination because lots of other people VOTED for somebody who they didn’t support. They don’t seem to understand how racist they sound in dismissing those votes, and they sure don’t seem to understand that their stance for a single candidate rather than for progressive POLICIES is sorta, ummm, cult-like.

    Sad for them, but happy for the country.

  55. 55.

    Hoodie

    @Martin:  Sitting in NC, I think you’re probably right. One thing I was wondering, will this enable Biden to really run up the score in CA and the rest of the west coast? I know it’s in the bag, which sometimes makes CA, OR and WA an afterthought and maybe depresses turnout to some degree. It would be nice to crush him in the popular vote and bigger than usual turnout there would help do that simply because a few percentage points extra there is like, what, a few million votes?

  60. 60.

    MisterForkbeard

    @PsiFighter37:  For the same reason that Lincoln Project had a video ready.

    She was the obvious choice. LP was going to push her as soon as they could. Jacobin needed to sabotage the ticket ASAP. Just like Trump, oddly enough.

  62. 62.

    Leto

    @Martin: Biden pointed out in an interview last week that he is fully aware of “who brought him to the dance” all these years, starting with his very first elected position. I hope this also makes the Indian-American community extremely proud, because she’s both, and she embraces both. Our diversity and humanity are our strength, and it’s fully on display here. Love it!

  63. 63.

    PsiFighter37

    @MisterForkbeard: I’m well aware…it’s just ridiculous. Leftists always have a piece written up to complain about something as soon as it happens. It’s so tiring…but I get plenty of it from reading comments on The Guardian’s Facebook feed. If you think US leftists are self-defeating, the UK (at least for now) will have us beat on that front forever.

  68. 68.

    Calouste

    @VOR: Evangelicals are going to stay home if Pence is dropped from the ticket. Not all of them, or most of them, but enough to be noticeable.

  69. 69.

    Adam L Silverman

    @VOR: If Pence is kicked to the curb it won’t be for Haley. She’s too brown for the President’s base. Kristy Noem would be the replacement.

  70. 70.

    Kay

    @Patricia Kayden:

    mispronounces Kamala Harris’s name

    I think he does that deliberately when he’s rattled – it’s intended to show how unimportant the person is to him.

    All of Donald Trump can be analyzed under the “asshole” framework. He’s a mean-spirited, petty asshole and that’s all he is.

  71. 71.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Steeplejack: I rarely drink, so I largely don’t pay attention to these things. But I am familiar with what you describe from when I lived in Pennsylvania.

  73. 73.

    Sister Golden Bear

    On a less happy note: Trump campaign reportedly considering whether to weaponize transphobia to save the president’s flailing re-election bid

    The president’s closest advisors are apparently divided on whether an attack on trans people would win support for his ailing campaign.

    Some reportedly see “cultural wedge issues” such as trans rights as a key to reigniting his campaign – but others believe the Republican party’s attacks on the LGBT+ community are costing them votes.

    Trump’s daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner are apparently against the idea, believing that weaponizing trans rights could cost him the election.

    Other advisors such as Hope Hicks, a public relations consultant, and Pat McCrory, the former governor of North Carolina, are also opposed to Trump launching a broadside against trans people.

    An unnamed senior advisor claimed: “This might become a hot cultural issue, but it’s not a thing yet. Right now, it’s just an easy issue for the other side to attack us on. They will call us bigots.”

    At least—for now—they’re aware that it might backfire. But I’m not holding my breath. Because when in doubt, their go to has consistently been demonizing us trans folks.

  78. 78.

    Ruckus

    @debbie:

    Jim is “forgetting” that shitforbrains has zero ability to see reality.

    I do like that he’s poking shitforbrains though. That’s always a good day.

  80. 80.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Steeplejack:

    Who do they think Biden should have picked?

    From dipping my toes into Twitter reply sections, Elizabeth Warren has been magically resurrected from ‘just not her’ to ‘proof they would support a woman’.  While graciously saying they would have been willing to put up with the fact that she betrayed Bernie.

  84. 84.

    Leto

    @Kay: There’s a possibility with that (never discount an asshole being an asshole), but he also mispronunces tons of simple monosyllabic words. Cognitive decline coupled with stress, and whatever else is happening in that rat cage of a brain.

  86. 86.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Leto: And her husband would be the first Jewish 2nd husband too! It’s like a President’s MAGA supporter’s worst nightmare: African-American/Indian-American woman of Afro-Caribbean and SE Asian descent with a Jewish American husband.

  92. 92.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Calouste: No, white Evangelicals will not stay home if Pence is dropped from the ticket. The attraction isn’t that the President has been saved. Nor is it that Pence around means the white evangelicals have their own voice in the administration. The attraction is that the President hates who they hate and that he both reaffirms their hate and claims it is not hate. Rather it is, in fact, their faith. And he makes it very clear that as long as he is president he will protect their ability to be bigots, to claim their bigotry is really their deeply held religious faith, and to act on their bigotry. That is why they won’t abandon him.

  94. 94.

    SFAW

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The Bernie or Bust/Democratic Socialist/Justice Democrats/Shitbird Left crowd wanted Nina Turner.

    I was hoping for Briahna Joy Gray. Because if the Rethugs can have a major-league asshole on the ticket, I think the Democrat Party should have one too.

  98. 98.

    joel hanes

    @Hoodie:

    will this enable Biden to really run up the score in CA and the rest of the west coast?

    I am no political prognosticator.

    But Silicon Valley has a huge population of engineers from India and their families, and they’ve .. uh … not tended to be the most reliable voters for Democratic candidates.

    I’m seeing massive rejoicing that Harris is the nominee in members of that community, particularly among the women.

  99. 99.

    Kay

    The headline in the local paper is an automotive supplier closing. It’s a big hit. Probably 600 jobs.

    The leader in supply of parabolic and multi-leaf springs in addition to supply of coil springs and suspension subcomponents within the 10 best-selling light trucks in North America.

  103. 103.

    Alison Rose

    Not to be an Eeyore, but this is the kind of shit I’m gonna see from some of my FB friends. To be clear, this person (a Black woman) is a friend and generally she and I agree on many things. But…I just don’t even know how to respond to this kind of right off the bat, total dismissal.

    If the idea of a VP pick is to provide strength in the places where the top of the ticket is weak, this doesn’t do that.

    If the idea of the VP pick is to pull up demographics that the top of the ticket doesn’t motivate, this doesn’t do that.

    If the idea of the VP pick is to pull in geographic regions that the top of the ticket can’t, this doesn’t do that.

    If the idea of the VP pick is to set up a candidate for their own presidential run in the next/2 cycle, this doesn’t do that.

    Every piece of conventional wisdom I am aware of with regard to how to strategically choose a VP running mate is out the window here.

    I just think she’s wrong on every point…but right now I don’t have the fortitude to get into it with her, and as a white woman, I don’t want to step out of my lane and seem like I’m talking down. I don’t expect Black women to support Harris just because they and she are Black, of course. But this isn’t about just “not supporting,” this to me feels like willful obtuseness and stubbornness.

  104. 104.

    Ruckus

    @Cacti:

    dense does have a busy schedule.

     

    Holding a straight face while typing that was very difficult.

    So I didn’t.

  105. 105.

    artem1s

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    An unnamed senior advisor claimed: “This might become a hot cultural issue, but it’s not a thing yet. Right now, it’s just an easy issue for the other side to attack us on. They will call us bigots.”

    what can you even say? at least they recognize that being called a bigot is something vaguely bad.  but of course they still can’t recognize that maybe the way to avoid not being called a bigot is to NOT BE A FUCKING BIGOT.

  106. 106.

    germy

    Just remember,

    No matter who Biden picks as his running mate, a large number of people who were going for Trump anyway will declare that she's the reason they're voting for Trump.

    — soonergrunt ?? (@soonergrunt) August 11, 2020

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Sister Golden Bear: I’m aware. My brother is a Bernie supporter. He also voted for Nader in 2000.

    I probably shouldn’t have hit him in the head so much when we were kids.

  109. 109.

    mali muso

    Saw on Twitter (dunno how to embed on my phone)

    ActBlue processed more than $6 million in donations between 4pm and 6pm

  111. 111.

    MattF

    @Alison Rose: There’s going to be a lot of missing the point. Harris is a nationally known Black female politician who will make an excellent VP. Period.

  117. 117.

    Steeplejack

    @Alison Rose:

    It would be interesting to hear her arguments, not just bald statements.

    But, yeah, I wouldn’t get into it with her at this point.

  120. 120.

    artem1s

    @Cacti:

    Dolt45 may very well ditch Pence now.  He is nearly ready for his Chernobyl level explosion.   I think we are just about at that point where the plant manager Jared tells his lackeys that it’s time to plunge the fuel rods back into the non-existent, blown off the face of the planet, cooling tank.

    When his final melt down does happen it’s going to be spectacular. If Pence is smart, he should make his move to get out of the blast radius right now.  There is however, no escaping the fall out zone.

  122. 122.

    NotMax

    @Alison Rose

    Exact same things would have been posited by her regardless of who was chosen.

    Some people harbor an insatiable urge to rain on any parade.

  123. 123.

    Steeplejack

    EXCLUSIVE: White House officials are exploring legal options to ensure Mike Pence can participate in the VP debate with Kamala Harris, a woman

    — The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow)
    August 11, 2020

  125. 125.

    BruceFromOhio

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    From dipping my toes into Twitter reply sections, Elizabeth Warren has been magically resurrected from ‘just not her’ to ‘proof they would support a woman’

    Please, let’s just not go there. The bridges are mostly burnt. Either the Feel The Bern’ers vote for the Democratic candidate for president, or they don’t. If they do, welcome them into the fold to try and make things better. If they don’t, fuck ’em with a (figurative, rhetorical) rusty pitchfork. Let ’em stew like the rest of the butthurt, we got an election to win.

  126. 126.

    Ken

    @Adam L Silverman: My brother is a Bernie supporter. He also voted for Nader in 2000. I probably shouldn’t have hit him in the head so much when we were kids.

    Or maybe you need to hit him in the head more now.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Leto: You can see her husband, behind her on the left, trying to do the Jewish version. Unfortunately, I don’t think rhythm can be acquired via osmosis.

  131. 131.

    MattF

    @artem1s: Possibly. But Trump wants a repeat of his 2016 ‘miracle’, and might be wary of messing with the formula. However, I’m not making any predictions.

  132. 132.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I checked in on Rose Twitter.  It looks like the theme they’re settling on is ‘Elizabeth Warren is a snake.’  Yes, seriously.  The most common commentary is that Warren betrayed Sanders to become VP, and got nothing for her efforts.

  133. 133.

    L85NJGT

    Eric Trump sent me a fundraising letter with a “matching” check from the MAGA committee (or whatever it is) to send in to the campaign. I’m confused about how that works. Usually there is some big money donor going dollar for dollar on donations, but this was just from them, back to them. Are they double booking? Is it just some ponzi scheme to shake down the marks? Are they spending any of it on campaigning?

  135. 135.

    Spanky

    You know, Bernie himself has shown that there’s a lot of daylight between himself and his so-called supporters. I’m pretty sure that at this point the Berniebros consist solely of Russian Bots-n-trolls and clueless purity ponies. Fuck ’em. Bernie’s on board.

  143. 143.

    JPL

    On CNN  Paul Begala said that trump’s press conference today was like a racist on a roulette wheel.   Not sure how to attack.

  144. 144.

    Spanky

    @Steeplejack: A little late to this sub-thread, but you know you can make a quick* run across the Legion Bridge and get some goodies on our side of the river. And if you’re going to go to that trouble, you might as well go all the way up I270 to Frederick and visit McClintock Distillery. They make all sorts of adult beverages, real good. I’m enjoying some Forager Gin with tonic right now.

    If you do, I don’t recommend driving home the same day.

     

    *- Narrator: There is never a “quick run” across the American Legion Bridge.

  147. 147.

    Kay

    @BruceFromOhio:

    They’re a multinational so someone will still be making springs for America’s light trucks, but it is bad.

    I’m a worrywart about the economy because I’m permanently scarred from the 2009 recession but even with that I don’t understand the optimism about the economy. Unemployment is too high. It has to bite us. It just feels like magic fairy dust again, like when real estate magically and inexplicably became worth 20% more btwn 2006 to 2008 :)

  148. 148.

    Ken

    @VOR: Will drive Trump crazy attempting to hold himself back from both racist and misogynist nicknames.

    You must be talking about a different Trump, because I can’t see the occupant of the White House attempting to hold back.

  149. 149.

    Kropacetic

    @Frankensteinbeck: The most common commentary is that Warren betrayed Sanders to become VP, and got nothing for her efforts.

    Maybe if they were more interested in finding a capable person who could implement the policies they want rather than signing a blood oath to the first person they hear vaguely utter the basic idea behind those policies.

    Bernie and Trump, through their actions and inadequacies, pretty much guaranteed Biden would be the nominee (with a boost from the media).

  151. 151.

    MazeDancer

    Got my “Biden/Harris” bumper sticker 2-pack and mug at JoeBiden.com

    Shipping rates were brutal.

    Ask me if I care…

  153. 153.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Adam L Silverman: I still can’t believe any of them thought this was remotely an option.

    But then, some of them still believe Bernie should unsuspend his campaign so clearly they’re note entirely ‘there’.

  155. 155.

    Kropacetic

    @Leto: You either got it or you don’t, and most of us white dudes just don’t got it :P

    Also, even if you can keep a rhythm, that still doesn’t necessarily mean you can express it with your body.

  156. 156.

    Martin

    @Hoodie: Oh, god, Clinton won CA by 30 – 3 million votes. Not sure there’s any running up of the score needed here. Might help a few tight house races, but honestly, we need to win elsewhere.

  157. 157.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Spanky:

    I appreciate the info, but I live literally three blocks from a Virginia ABC store. I’m just too lazy to put on the tactical gear (pants!) and go out tonight. I’m not that much of a boozer.

    ETA:  Made a note to visit McClintock Distillery sometime.

  159. 159.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Frankensteinbeck: They still see Warren’s takedown of Mike Bloomberg as primarily a betrayal of Bernie Sanders, as if everything in politics has to be about that guy.

  161. 161.

    Kay

    By JOHN NAGL and PAUL YINGLING
    AUGUST 11, 2020 05:50 PM ET
    COMMENTARY
    WHITE HOUSE
    PENTAGON
    CONGRESS
    Dear General Milley:
    As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you are well aware of your duties in ordinary times: to serve as principal military advisor to the president of the United States, and to transmit the lawful orders of the president and Secretary of Defense to combatant commanders. In ordinary times, these duties are entirely consistent with your oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
    We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice. If Donald Trump refuses to leave office at the expiration of his constitutional term, the United States military must remove him by force, and you must give that order.

    Well. Glad to see there’s a plan!

  162. 162.

    geg6

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It’s not as bad as it was.  You can buy beer and wine in many grocery stores and Sheetz stores now, although with a limited inventory.  And the general public can now order directly from the LCB online and you don’t have to get an entire case.  It’s not a free for all like some states but much more convenient than it used to be.

  163. 163.

    WaterGirl

    I could go for two solid days where we appreciate a VP choice, an excellent VP choice at that, without worrying or caring what the Bernie bots think.

    If they’re not on board by now, they never will be.  Maybe it would be best to stop giving them space in our heads?  They’re not worth it.  Unless they come knocking on the door, and then we should graciously let them in.  Regardless of how late they might be, if they haven’t voted for Trump yet, it’s not too late.

    If we can go for 2 days, then maybe maybe we can go for a solid week.  They are old news, and they matter not at all.  Unless they are people who are otherwise important in your life, but then that’s a whole different conversation than the one we’ve been having here.

  165. 165.

    MCA1

    @Baud: That she’s so busy whining about her popcorn order not arriving in the mail yet would seem to indicate she’s not putting much effort into trying shiv Pence anymore.

  166. 166.

    Geminid

    Aside from her experience and qualifications, Harris could be a good nominee in a tactical sense. She can get under trump’s skin, and get him to punch down. And she won’t be afraid to counterpunch around his 50″ belt.

  169. 169.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I assume this means donations to the new ticket, but he doesn’t clarify

    Shane Goldmacher @ShaneGoldmacher·1h
    NEW: ActBlue processed more than $6 million in donations between 4pm and 6pm

  172. 172.

    Kay

    @The Pale Scot:

    Oh, it’s just all so lame. You’ve encountered people like him. Every interaction is a dominance exercise. I loathe them because it’s just so boring. The people who deliberately keep you waiting, give you a lower chair, get your name wrong, it’s too boring to even engage with.

    My son in law’s father is one. No, I am not playing this game at brunch, asshole. I get paid for that.

  173. 173.

    Leto

    @Kay: things you learn: Nagl lives right down the road from me. The military isn’t the department that will handle that, as Adam has pointed out. That’s the Secret Service. Of course that’s another norm I’m sure will be tested.

  174. 174.

    NotMax

    @Kay

    Emphatic no.

    It is neither the job nor the place of the military. Those belong to the Secret Service.

    (It’s not a condition which is gonna happen, anyway.)

  176. 176.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @WaterGirl: I think it might be a compulsion now.

    I think this was a brilliant pick and I am thrilled that Harris accepted.  I say let’s have a little bit of unadulterated joy and them get back to work.  Fuck the haters of whatever political stamp.

  177. 177.

    Jeffro

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I seriously doubt Pence gives a crap…he knows he can just spout whatever he wants, all in 100% fake earnestness, and the media will call it a draw at best.

  178. 178.

    mrmoshpotato

    as a former prosecutor, Harris is less likely to go along quietly with Joe if he decides to forgive and forget and not prosecute the Trump regime like Obama did with Bush— John Cole (@Johngcole) August 11, 2020

    GOOD!

  179. 179.

    Frank Wilhoit

    @Martin: The point of “running up the score” in the popular vote is that the only way to block the 12th Amendment strategy will be to make them lose their nerve.  California is the only place where “running up the score” could make the difference between less or more than 10 million popular votes: which is a nice, big, fat, round number whose mouth-feel the media will enjoy.  The 12th Amendment is the Republicans’ Plan A; there will be nothing that the courts or the military can do about it, because it adheres to the black letter of the Constitution and because it will be, in the first instance, a state concern.  If we are going to turn it back, it will be with soft power, and there will be a fairly short window in which to intimidate them out of it.  Every bit of ammunition will help.

  180. 180.

    Kay

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Isn’t it wild? I feel like this every day now. Nate Silver wrote a big nerdy disclaimer about how his predictions can’t include people breaking the law in the election. This is our norm now. We’ll be different after this- probably worse but maybe better :)

  182. 182.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    to forgive and forget and not prosecute the Trump regime like Obama did with Bush— John Cole (@Johngcole)

    /sigh/

  184. 184.

    Martin

    @Martin: Let me add to this.

    California dominates quite a few aspects of the US. I think that’s good insofar as CA is doing good, but I think it’s counterproductive for CA to dominate on popular vote too heavily.

    If Dems are arguing for a national popular vote, having CA out there singlehandedly putting Clinton over the popular vote line, giving 6x the winning vote margin as Texas offered up, that’s not helping our ultimate goal.

    Yes, 1/5 of the Dem House caucus is from CA, and without CA throwing mountains of Dems out there we would be in the minority, but we need to make sure that CA isn’t an impediment on progress by simply drowning out so much of the rest of the nation.

  185. 185.

    PAM Dirac

    @Steeplejack (phone)

     

    You might aldo consider 10th Ward Distilling, a few blocks away from McClintock’s. They make a rye that is aged in barrels that were used for Flying Dog’s Gonzo Porter. Amazing amount of trading of barrels, mashs, and other stuff between the breweries, distilleries, and wineries in the area.

  187. 187.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Kay: To the point they make, the simple reality is GEN Milley will do nothing. To the extent that he has the power and the authority, and he really doesn’t, he will keep the US military in garrison and on base. That’s what he signaled in his mea culpa about being seen to appear to be political when he accompanied the President across Lafayette Square to the church for the photo op. Milley has made his decision, as long as he is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the US military will stay out of it. Moreover, both Yingling and Nagl know better. Milley commands no troops. He has no Soldiers. He gives no orders. He is basically the most senior general officer/flag officer administrator/bureaucrat and the President’s senior military advisor. That’s it, that’s his job.

  191. 191.

    piratedan

    @Alison Rose: to be fair, there are a few counterpoints…

     

    starting with her point #4 is just flat out blatantly wrong.  Harris ran for President in 2020 and if Biden holds true and retires in 2024 (providing he’s elected) she will be poised for the nomination in 2024 better than any other Democrat.

    point #2 – we’re on the cusp of great social change in the country and if they can’t see a woman of color being on the ticket as a harbinger of that change, then I want a sample of whatever the fuck she is smoking

    point #3 – since we are on the cusp of radical judicial and political reform, having a running mate who has argued the law, enforced the law and drafted and created new laws would seem to be a pretty big fucking Biden deal.

    point #4 – see above for police reform and decriminalization of marijuana and perhaps even efforts to remove some of the stigma from the sex trade

    point #5 – she already knows what laws were broken by the current administration and would be in a position to help drive home the prosecution of said criminals.

  192. 192.

    Elizabelle

    @Alison Rose:   Your FB “friend” appears to be factually wrong on all her suppositions.  So:  don’t worry about her; maybe she will come around; maybe she will not.

    Just be happy we have a great VP pick.  Because we do.

    To make you happy:  one of my FB friends, who is a Trump voter but wonderful other than that (geography, geography) told me she likes Kamala Harris.  She will not vote for her and Biden, but it was a gracious thing to say.

    I like our chances with Biden-Harris.  It is a strong ticket.

  193. 193.

    lamh36

    After 5 tries, I finally got my Biden/Harris merch, site kept crashing…LOL

    @Alison Rose: I am a Black Woman.  My FB is majority of folks I know, and yes majority AA.  Not all of my FB folks have been open to Kamala, but most were pro-Biden and anti-Trump.

    Every so often I’ll get someone who says something stupid or whatever, here’s what I posted to my FB in a series of posts in response to the annoucment that Kamala Harris was the choice:

    Here’s what I’m not gonna do. I’m not going to take shots at every wrong take that has been thrown at Kamala Harris. I’ve learned people will believe what they want to believe even if facts prove otherwise. If your mind is already set, I ain’t got nothing for ya. Keep it moving and as long as ya vote to get Chump out of the WH…that’s enough for me.

    Now here’s what I will do…if you come at me with well sourced FACTS I’ll bring you the same. This will be espeially important with Biden/Harris ticket. Some of ya’ll have NOT gotten good sources and just run with shit. I promise ya’ll I will not do that!

    I’ll just say this, look up her record for yourself and NOT go with FB or SM folks who some have $$$$ incentive to give biased information on Joe Biden AND Kamala Harris. Be smart not stupid about the news you consume!

    As y’all know I’ve been a Kamala Harris supporter from jump. I wanted Kamala over Joe Biden, but it didn’t happen. So you can already guess how happy I am with Kamala as Joe Biden’s VP choice! Now go out and learn something bout her that NOT on FB and that’s well sourced. And just imagine Kamala Harris debating Pence!!

  195. 195.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Leto: Nagl is also a self aggrandizing, delusional nut job. There’s a reason he’s running a boarding school and not running CNAS anymore. The CNAS board told him he either got his head straight regarding what the US was actually doing in Iraq and Afghanistan and how both those conflicts were going and likely to continue to go or he could continue to be delusional about them as the First High Priest of Counterinsurgency Theory somewhere else. He couldn’t do the former, and no one else, including his friends with political appointments in the Obama administration, would hire him. So now he’s a high school principle.

  196. 196.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @piratedan: Neither Biden nor Harris will be involved in any prosecutions of anyone from the Trump administration.  It won’t be their job.  Biden, to his credit, has already said this.

  201. 201.

    Alison Rose

    @Elizabelle: I am definitely happy, and I’m mostly just going to ignore her posts. She has the right to feel however she does, but I’m not going to let anyone tell me that I should feel the same way because reasons.

  203. 203.

    NotMax

    Betting is now open on how long before Dolt 45 “slips up” and calls her Kamammy in public.

    //

  204. 204.

    Steeplejack

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I still have the one efgoldman gave me a few years ago when we had lunch. He is the patron saint of the pants resistance. I try to use it sparingly, though.

  206. 206.

    Martin

    @Frank Wilhoit: Hmm. Hadn’t considered that. Yes, I would think CA could reach 10M votes for Biden/Harris. That’s 1.3M more than Clinton got. Between Trump flips and energized turnout it could happen. The GOP has lost nearly a million registrations since 2016, while the Dems have picked up a small number. No party affiliation got all of the lost GOPs.

    I’m not sure that would cause them to lose their nerve, though. They’re already well beyond any lines I thought could not be crossed.

  208. 208.

    Kropacetic

    @Alison Rose: If the idea of the VP pick is to pull up demographics that the top of the ticket doesn’t motivate, this doesn’t do that.

    As someone completely unmotivated by the top of the ticket, I vehemently disagree with this.

  209. 209.

    Kent

    @Baud: @VOR: I’d be shocked if Haley ties herself to Trump.

    If she has ambitions, she is better off waiting for 2024.

  211. 211.

    MCA1

    @Martin: There’s certainly logic there.  Harris might hurt more than help in Wisconsin, where the racism runs deeper than I wanted to believe until four year ago.  But I think you’re right that her presence on the ticket sort of ices Michigan for Biden and leads to greater voter enthusiasm in Georgia (where people might literally have to crawl over broken glass to vote as long as Kemp’s in charge) and NC.  No idea if she’ll be well-received in Florida, Pennsylvania, Arizona, or more well-received than any other choice might have.

    This further adds to one of my pet theories, which is that one of the most annoyingly persistent (because it’s so obviously false) bits of conventional wisdom in the world of politics is that choosing a VP candidate from a swing state to try and deliver it is a time-honored, wise strategy.  Dotard didn’t need help in Indiana.  Obama didn’t need Delaware, nor did he need Biden to deliver it.  W got nothing electorally from Wyoming.  The list goes on.  The only recent attempts at picking a running mate to win a swing state were Edwards and Ryan, both of whom failed to help win their home states while their partners lost the overall election.  Gore may have helped Clinton (depending on the Perot effect), but 1990 was like five centuries ago at this point.

    It’s even less true in our hyperpartisan landscape.  Here’s an example:  a lot of people were speculating that Whitmer might make a good choice based partly on her recent success in keeping Michigan a bright spot in the COVID wars, but mostly just because she’s from Michigan and might bring enough votes to make sure the state’s out of reach.  Let me tell you, I just spent the better part of the last month in the northern part of the state, and the third most popular yard sign I saw (after MAGA ’20 flags and those ugly grey “blue line” American flags) was one that said “My governor is an idiot” with the tagline “Pure Moron” playing on the state tourism board’s slogan of “Pure Michigan.”  Those people aren’t crossing over out of state pride, or having their cult beliefs challenged enough by the evidence of a competent statewide leader from the other party to sway their vote for president.  No f’ing way.  To the contrary – Whitmer’s presence would have riled up even the MAGAt’s who are otherwise feeling sheepish and embarrassed right now, and motivated them to vote instead of stay on the sidelines depressed.

  212. 212.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Patricia Kayden: Beating up on Teh Gayz, and anti- same-sex marriage ballot initiatives, actually did help Bush in the 2004 election.

    So they’re going with what they know, and it’s red meat for the bible humpers, so it might get some of them to vote instead of sitting out the election if they’re unhappy with Trump for other reasons.

    In truth, I’m more concerned about some sort of anti-trans executive order to jizz up the evangelicals between now and November. These have already done a huge amount of damage over the last four years, and still many ways they could fuck us over. For example, declaring the Social Security Administration’s records will only list the gender you’re assigned at birth. Since all other government ID records reference the SSA’s records,* this would forcibly out trans people. In the past, trans people have been outed when employers checked SSA info about found mismatches in the gender listed.

    (*When I got my name/gender legally changed, the first stop was to the SSA to get that updated. Only once that was done, I could update my driver’s license and passport.)

    Not that it matters at the moment, but passports used to not let you change your gender, then it was only if you’d had genital surgery (which is hugely expensive and many trans folks can’t afford, or have medical conditions the make it not doable, or who simply don’t feel the need to do). Thankfully in recent years, it’s not been a big problem, but those changes were via administrative policy and could easily be reversed.

  213. 213.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    “Because in a time when three times the number of folks killed in Vietnam died from a mismanaged pandemic, effective unemployment is pushing 30%, tens of thousands of businesses are being shuttered for good and the cities are becoming racially conflicted battlegrounds over decades of petty and overaggressive policing that brutalizes people of color, aiming the ire of common folk against the trans community is a real vote-getter.”

    Y’think that the emphasis on optics and messaging is ringing hollow when people are clamoring for workable and empathetic solutions?

  215. 215.

    Kent

    I was out on a long bike ride with my daughter this afternoon and we returned to this news.  Very cool. The woke 17 year old is very excited about this choice.  In her opinion, Harris is the most pro-LGBT of all the candidates, including Buttigieg who, as a 17 year old LGBT girl, she never warmed to.   I haven’t done a policy comparison to determine if she is right on policy. But it is how she feels and the pick makes her happy.

  216. 216.

    Another Scott

    Kamala was the obvious choice, and a good one. Uncle Joe has lived his life in the middle lane of Democratic politics for decades, and picked someone who he obviously has known and respected for a long time who also knows how to live in the middle lane. Joe isn’t going to surprise us on important decisions.

    I’m reminded of this famous picture of them together in DC in December 2018…

    You just never know who you might run into in DC…. pic.twitter.com/wJgYuC1q0F

    — Lily Adams (@adamslily) December 12, 2018

    Let’s get it done! Forward!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  218. 218.

    Ken

    @Frank Wilhoit: They are not acting like the evangelicals are in the bag, wherefore they might be able to focus their attention elsewhere.  I wonder why that is….

    Well, considering the Pizzagate nonsense with “every accusation is a confession” in mind, the recent arrest of Ghislane Maxwell suggests one possible bombshell that might peel away a few evangelical votes.

  219. 219.

    Albatrossity

    @Steeplejack: They aren’t even in the ballpark of “who do they think Biden should have picked?”. They are still pissed that it is Biden rather than Bernie doing the picking.

    Like I said, it’s a cult…

  220. 220.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @MCA1: Harris might hurt more than help in Wisconsin, where the racism runs deeper than I wanted to believe until four year ago.

    Anyone in Wisconsin who won’t vote for Biden because Harris is on the ticket wasn’t going to vote for Biden anyway.  Also, god knows, Paul Ryan didn’t pull Wisconsin over to Romney, and he was a native son in a race against a African-American Bears fan.

  224. 224.

    Kent

    @Omnes Omnibus:@piratedan: Neither Biden nor Harris will be involved in any prosecutions of anyone from the Trump administration.  It won’t be their job.  Biden, to his credit, has already said this.

    Right.  They don’t merit that much attention.  Plenty of regional assistant AGs who can handle the job.   In the series Band of Brothers there is a surrender scene at the end where some aristocratic German General is trying to surrender and Major Winters puts his former first sergeant who just received a battlefield commission to 2nd Lt. forward to receive the surrender to the obvious annoyance of the preening German.

    Put some good hungry assistant AG types in command with good staffs and let them make their careers chasing the Trump crimes 24/7.

  225. 225.

    Albatrossity

    @WaterGirl: “If they’re not on board by now, they never will be.”

    Exactly. They want to take over the party, but are unwilling to support the party’s nominees. That is not how it works…

  226. 226.

    The Pale Scot

    @L85NJGT:

    Take a photo and post on Twitter. If the routing codes are legit, and these morons are that stupid, the account will have been siphoned over to Cyprus by the morn

  227. 227.

    sdhays

    @Kent: As I recall, just a week or two ago she was ridiculed for delivering absurdly obsequious praise for Donnie Dump, but maybe I’m getting her confused with someone else.

    They’re all so awful.

  228. 228.

    Martin

    @Omnes Omnibus: The only category of ‘undecided voter’ left is whether they will vote, not who they will vote for. There is no point appealing to Republicans. Just energize Dems, pull in disaffected nonpartisans, and tell the GOP to fuck off on everything.

  231. 231.

    MCA1

    @Omnes Omnibus: Maybe so.  I guess it’s just as possible that a lot of the folks in Appleton (or Brookfield) who have a deep loathing of “Madison liberals” but might have been alright with centrist Biden would have had their Pavlovian bells rung the wrong way if Warren were on the ticket with him.  Obama won Wisconsin easily, twice, further undercutting my speculation (which, in my defense, was pretty timidly worded :^) ).

  233. 233.

    Mary G

    I am weeping with joy. Kamala was my heart’s choice. She’ll be a great complement to Uncle Joe.

    I watched her fearlessness in refusing to ask for the death penalty for the killing of a cop, and even more, the spine of steel she displayed afterwards when law enforcement tried to sabotage her, making it crystal clear who worked for who. Plus she is a joyful warrior who will run rings around Pence with a smile on her face. So happy today.

  234. 234.

    Kent

    @MCA1:@Omnes Omnibus: Maybe so.  I guess it’s just as possible that a lot of the folks in Appleton (or Brookfield) who have a deep loathing of “Madison liberals” but might have been alright with centrist Biden would have had their Pavlovian bells rung the wrong way if Warren were on the ticket with him.  Obama won Wisconsin easily, twice, further undercutting my speculation (which, in my defense, was pretty timidly worded :^) ).

    Harris might be substantially better than Warren for carrying WI.  She is more likely to help turn out the Dem vote in Milwaukee while perhaps less likely to trigger the MAGA fundies in the rural parts of the state who seem to be triggered by Warren.

    But it’s all 5th dimensional chess.  Winning WI is all about getting out the vote in Milwaukee and sidestepping the voter suppression that the legislature is going to try to push forward.

  235. 235.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kent: We interpret the Band of Brothers scene differently.  Winters put Lipton up to accept the surrender as a recognition of Lipton’s contributions.  As far and the general goes, he wasn’t the only only whose surrender was accepted by a junior officer; von Choltitz surrendered Paris to, I believe, a French captain.  The snobbery of the traditional German types simply required an officer.  FWIW I saw remnants of it when I was in Germany in the late ’80s – early ’90s.  I’ve had Germans older than me switch from du to sie when they found out I was an officer.  It’s a bit nuts.

  236. 236.

    Redshift

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Biden has already said in appearances with Warren that it is not appropriate for the president to direct the prosecutions one way or another, but that it will not be policy of his administration to let any wrongdoing or crimes during the previous administration go.

    I am somewhat resigned to the probability that Trump will not be prosecuted federally for actions while in office because it’s a slippery slope, but Barr? Jared? ICE and CBP appointees? Absolutely.

  237. 237.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kent: My guess is that MCA1 and I do understand a little of what is happening in Wisconsin.  But go ahead and Oregon-splain it to us anyway.

  239. 239.

    Kent

    @Omnes Omnibus:@Kent: We interpret the Band of Brothers scene differently.  Winters put Lipton up to accept the surrender as a recognition of Lipton’s contributions.  As far and the general goes, he wasn’t the only only whose surrender was accepted by a junior officer; von Choltitz surrendered Paris to, I believe, a French captain.  The snobbery of the traditional German types simply required an officer.  FWIW I saw remnants of it when I was in Germany in the late ’80s – early ’90s.  I’ve had Germans older than me switch from du to sie when they found out I was an officer.  It’s a bit nuts.

    Well, anyway I won’t argue with you on that.  My point is that the entire Trump clan and all of their enablers are common criminals (emphasis on the common) that any good team of Federal prosecutors should be able to handle.   They don’t deserve any kind of special kid glove treatment or special attention from above beyond making sure they have the resources and authority to do their jobs.

  240. 240.

    Kent

    @Omnes Omnibus:@Kent: My guess is that MCA1 and I do understand a little of what is happening in Wisconsin.  But go ahead and Oregon-splain it to us anyway.

    What, are you offended that I made a comment?  This is a comment section after all.   I doubt anyone actually knows the precise formula that will maximize success in diverse swing states like WI, PA, FL, AZ, etc.

  241. 241.

    Brachiator

    @Steeplejack:

    EXCLUSIVE: White House officials are exploring legal options to ensure Mike Pence can participate in the VP debate with Kamala Harris, a woman

    Made me laugh!

  245. 245.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Kent: No.  I’ve been saying that since November of 2016.  I’ve been concerned about it since the voter ID law was passed while I was working at the agency that oversaw WI elections in 2011.  I wasn’t saying you were wrong; I was saying that people in WI might not need to have WI explained to them by someone else.

  246. 246.

    Brachiator

    @MCA1:

    This further adds to one of my pet theories, which is that one of the most annoyingly persistent (because it’s so obviously false) bits of conventional wisdom in the world of politics is that choosing a VP candidate from a swing state to try and deliver it is a time-honored, wise strategy.

    This probably has not been a meaningful strategy since 1960, and maybe not even then.

  247. 247.

    Kent

    @Brachiator: This probably has not been a meaningful strategy since 1960, and maybe not even then.

    Kennedy won TX by 2 points in 1960 so *maybe* it did work then.  But not since.

  248. 248.

    Kent

    @Omnes Omnibus: I honestly don’t keep track of where everyone here is from other than Cole (obviously) and Betty Cracker.  I didn’t realize I was jumping into a discussion between two Wisconsinites.  Carry on.

  249. 249.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Redshift: I am as annoyed by Cole’s retroactive firebaggery as I am by his sloppy discussion of “prosecution”. Also, I think jumping straight to prosecutions is the wrong way to think about holding the trump administration accountable. Public hearings, get the facts out first. And that assumes we win not just the White House but the Senate, and even then it’s still a heavy lift.

  250. 250.

    Another Scott

    Gonna go out on a limb here and say that Joe Biden actually chose Kamala Harris to be his running mate on 12/3/2019

    — TBogg (@tbogg) August 11, 2020

    (That’s the date she announced she was suspending her campaign.)

    “Eleven months ago at the launch of our campaign in Oakland I told you all: ‘I am not perfect.’ But I will always speak with decency and moral clarity and treat all people with dignity and respect. I will lead with integrity. I will speak the truth. And that’s what I have tried to do every day of this campaign. So here’s the truth today,” Harris wrote in a note to supporters.

    Sounds good to me!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  251. 251.

    J R in WV

    @Ken:

    the recent arrest of Ghislane Maxwell suggests one possible bombshell that might peel away a few evangelical votes.

    The vast number of evangelical preachers who have been arrested and convicted of molesting youngsters of all genders in their churches is amazing and contradicts your point.

    Many evangelicals are strongly in favor of sex with very young people, sadly!

  253. 253.

    Kropacetic

    @J R in WV: Many evangelicals are strongly in favor of sex with very young people, sadly!

    Or at least forgiving it as long as you push for their values* and culture*. However if you are gay or a straight ally who pushes against them, you are akin to a pedophile, the worst thing you could be.

  254. 254.

    AnotherBruce

    I don’t know if this isn’t true. I thought that Harris  that Biden was the VP pick all along. He was auditioning the other female candidates all along. The goal of this wasn’t to play offense, it was to build a cabinet that was going to get off the goal running.  And when he does that, he will get back to going the to get the best. Smart because the suburban women who want their children to live.

  256. 256.

    Miss Bianca

    @Spanky: Yeah, I’m grateful that Bernie decided to get on board. One less thing to worry about. His claque of diehard fans can fuck right off, but most of the Bernie voters I know are at least resigned, if not coming right around, to Biden – and I think some of them might even get excited by Biden/Harris!

  257. 257.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @WaterGirl: Amen, sister.  Every time someone posts about the purity ponies, I think, “who cares”. I certainly don’t.  Fuckem and ignore them.

  258. 258.

    MCA1

    @Kent: Well, I must admit I’m a F.I.B. (F’ing Illinois Bastard in Wisconsonese).  But I grew up in The State of Hockey and lived in Michigan for 3 years, too, so I’ve spent my entire life other than my college years bordering Cheeselandia, so I know its politics and demographics better than I do those of probably 47 other states.  Undoubtedly nowhere near as well as Omnes does, though.

  259. 259.

    Jay Noble

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: We have so many facts already out there that public hearings would just be a waste of time and money and give them a chance to muddy the waters. Prosecute them and make them defend themselves. NO grandstanding on either side.

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