Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

White supremacy is terrorism.

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

So many bastards, so little time.

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

The lights are all blinking red.

No one could have predicted…

Let’s bury these fuckers at the polls 2 years from now.

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

“Loving your country does not mean lying about its history.”

We can show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

People are complicated. Love is not.

He seems like a smart guy, but JFC, what a dick!

T R E 4 5 O N

The willow is too close to the house.

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(Pat Bagley via Salt Lake Tribune)
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The Salt Lake Tribune, “Police supporters protest Pat Bagley cartoon at The Salt Lake Tribune printing press“:

When James Sullivan saw a recent Salt Lake Tribune editorial cartoon meant to illustrate how white supremacy has infiltrated law enforcement, he said he thought it wasn’t just improper and controversial. He said, specifically, that it was racist because it used Ku Klux Klan imagery.

“When Black people see that hood, they think of our oppression,” said Sullivan, who is Black. “They think of hate. They think of slavery. And when they start doing that, it leads us into a self-oppression. It leads us into a point of victimhood.”

He told the crowd listening to him that that fear is used for manipulation, to make minority communities fear police, to “control the Black vote.”

“It’s not only ignorant and in poor taste, but it is the most racist act, and the most blatantly racist act, that I’ve ever experienced from a media group in the 21st century,” he said, asking the crowd of about 60, “Can everybody agree me on that?”

The crowd, law enforcement supporters who’d shown up at the Tribune’s shared West Valley City printing press, yelled back in agreement. Some whistled. They’d all rallied on a wedge of grass outside the presses to speak out against the recently published Pat Bagley editorial cartoon they said disrespects and endangers police.

The rally — called “Back the Blue: Boycott Salt Lake Tribune!!” — came together Wednesday after the Utah Sheriffs’ Association and the leader of Utah Business Revival, a group that has held a series of protests against coronavirus restrictions, condemned the drawing.

They called for an apology and a retraction. Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, and the Utah Republican Party has since issued a similar statement…

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  1. 1.

    lamh36

    Evening BJ.

    Been watching House Hunter on the HGTV app since I got home a couple of hours ago.

    It’s always funny to hear when the couple on House Hunters who are COMPLETELY opposite in their wants.

    This couple in San Francisco wants so much difference.

    Their budget is 1.5MILLION and they gonna need ALLLLLL of it to find a “home” and not an apt in SF!

    The couple is from Detroit. One of ’em keep talking bout negotiating the prices down…uh…space is a LUXURY in SF…there is no negotiatiing when there always like 3-5 offers for any one property. Plus properties go REALLY fast, so you can’t be the type to be indecisive.

    This dude gonna be REALLLLL disappointed.

  2. 2.

    Yutsano

    Good on Bagley for not backing down. And I don’t think the Salt Lake Tribune is going to sweat a protest of 60. Especially on a holiday weekend.

  4. 4.

    Ken

    Between this, the third-party vote in polls, and Ann Romney joining Michelle Obama for GOTV, Utah is looking a little wobbly.  A very little, but still.

  5. 5.

    Eolirin

    @lamh36: Hate to break it to you but House Hunters recruits people that have already signed on a property then stage the conflicts and search after the fact, with the final pick being the home they’ve already bought.

  6. 6.

    scav

    It’s clear why the sheriffs are upset over the image.  For once, it really is about masks being worn correctly: that hood should cover their noses!

  8. 8.

    Brachiator

    They’d all rallied on a wedge of grass outside the presses to speak out against the recently published Pat Bagley editorial cartoon they said disrespects and endangers police.

    This is always the go-to move of a certain type of conservative. They can never see the illegal acts committed by the police. And they insist that cops must be “respected” no matter what.

  11. 11.

    opiejeanne

    James Sullivan’s  complaint annoys me. Should we not call out racism because it reminds the victims that racist people are oppressing them?

  12. 12.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    The Utah Fraternal Order of Police also issued a letter criticizing Bagley and The Tribune. It also alluded to the deadly extremist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo after it published a cartoon depicting the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.

    The statement said that Bagley chose to malign a group of people he knew wouldn’t lash out at him.

    “Make no mistake, Mr. Bagley, we are not in Paris, and you do not work for Charlie Hebdo. You understand that no mob is coming for you, you will sacrifice nothing. In fact, Mr. Bagley, in this case……you are the mob!”

    Did Bagley or the Tribune ever compare themselves to Charlie Hebdo? And I’m guessing the Utah Fascist Order of Police is forgetting the cops’ often violent “Back the Blue” supporters.

    Also, too, imagine the kind of person who, in response to a movement protesting racism and police brutality against POC, you join a “Back the Blue/Blue Lives Matter” movement. They can scream about how their totally not racist until they’re blue in the face; their actions betray them. “Back the Blue” are racist authoritarian followers

  15. 15.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Brachiator:

    This is always the go-to move of a certain type of conservative. They can never see the illegal acts committed by the police. And they insist that cops must be “respected” no matter what.

    You’re likely aware of this, but it’s worth pointing out that those types of conservatives are really racist authoritarians. What gets me is that they probably also see themselves as freedom-loving patriots. I suppose the Germans under the Nazis probably thought of themselves as being free too…

  16. 16.

    Jay

    The NYPD has interviewed the driver of the car that plowed into protesters in Times Square last night, injuring at least two people. And has released them without charges.— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) September 4, 2020

    Police are trying to determine if the driver who plowed through a group of Black Lives Matter protesters in Times Square actually committed a crime, NYPD Police Commissioner Dermot Shea says.https://t.co/3jqdSlrqK6— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) September 4, 2020

  18. 18.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    Osama bin Laden’s niece has endorsed Donald Trump. No really, this is happening. What a gift to Joe Biden.

    — Palmer Report (@PalmerReport) September 5, 2020

    Guess she’s still pissed Obama found and killed her uncle.

  19. 19.

    Kent

    @lamh36: I can’t get into the domestic version but I really liked House Hunters International.  I would tape it on the DVR and only watch the episodes in really interesting locations.   The clueless Americans in the 3rd world are the best.  No honey, you aren’t going to get an en suite bath with dual vanities in Cambodia for $400/month!

  20. 20.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    Jennifer Griffin, the last real journalist working at Fox News, gets thrown under the bus by Fox News:

    Madeline Peltz
    @peltzmadeline
    How Fox News left Jennifer Griffin out to dry, a timeline:
    4 PM – she confirms reporting on the Atlantic story that Trump insulted war dead.
    https://twitter.com/peltzmadeline/status/1302281767706034178

    Madeline Peltz
    @peltzmadeline
    ·
    7h
    To recap, over the course of 8 hours:
    – Griffin is on air once.
    – John Roberts is on three times.
    – Her reporting is mentioned two times by guests. Bret Baier repeatedly casts doubt on her reporting.
    – The interview with Bolton is played at least five or six times.
    Madeline Peltz
    @peltzmadeline
    ·
    7h
    It’s now the next day.

    Fox News has not made any statement defending the First Amendment rights of their reporter.
    Madeline Peltz
    @peltzmadeline
    ·
    7h
    All of the most outrageous parts of this timeline happened during Fox’s “straight news” shows.

    This is not a news organization. They’re putting the lives of their reporters in jeopardy, then leaving them to fend for themselves as people like Bret Baier undercut them.

    h/t https://twitter.com/peltzmadeline/status/1302281767706034178

  22. 22.

    Ajabu

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Yes, but they DID identify him as Black so we should certainly agree with him. POC are a monolith after all…

    Personally, I don’t need to see a klan hood to remember what previous generations of my family went through.

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    Good for both of them. That’s what real Truth and Reconciliation looks like.

    I’m sure Professor Hill has no ulterior motives in mind, but I can’t help wondering if there might be a significant appointment in her future under a Biden administration.

  27. 27.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Kent:

    I always liked Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares (yes, the US version). I’ve watched his new series, 24 Hours to Hell and Back, and it’s made me realize how much of an asshole he can be. There was an owner on one episode of 24 Hours to Hell and Back he was demeaning and yelling at that you could tell seemed like he had some serious problems. Flat affect, etc. He seemed he had depression to me.

    I admit, I don’t know how real it was, but Ramsay’s (who seems like a nice guy when not in his British Hardass Chef persona he does for Americans) “tough love/you really just want me to kiss your ass!” approach isn’t good for people potentially suffering from depression

  29. 29.

    Another Scott

    @Ken: I got an email today from Mary Trump, fundraising for a VA Democratic US House candidate.

    Interesting times.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  31. 31.

    West of the Cascades

    Pat Bagley cartoons were the only thing that made 16 months I lived in Salt Lake City bearable (well, and the proximity to Red Rock country). Useful experience. I don’t see Bagley and the SLTrib backing down on this – they clearly hit a nerve, as intended.

    Is James Sullivan the new Sheriff David Clarke?

  33. 33.

    lamh36

    @Kent: Yes!  I love the sad trombone aspect of House Hunters International…LOL.

    I recall one with this young couple, fresh out of college.  He had a job in London, the wife was a nurse who was working in America, but had not found work in London yet (wasn’t even sure how to go about getting a nursing job).  Their expectations were soooo unrealistic.

    They told the agent what they wanted (they were renting) after hearing their wish list, he asked them what their budge was and then told them what the average budget was at the time.  I swear I CACKLED at the way they both went from cheese-out smiles to wah-wah…nope…LOL

  36. 36.

    Lyrebird

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes, I have wondered, as usual when I should be working or something, since him asking for an apology at this point would likely not be taken as sincere, whether there have been some gestures along the “if I win how about we try to make that bad situation better” lines.  Kudos to the Biden campaign if they are making those, and either way, as always, massive respect to Dr. Hill.

  38. 38.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Lyrebird:

    since him asking for an apology at this point would likely not be taken as sincere

    Assuming you meant to write “offering an apology”, yeah, I agree with you.  For such long-standing misdeeds, the best apology is to undo them with new deeds; putting Prof Hill (or people she would recommend) in charge of significant gender issue/policy orgs in the government, would be a proper form of atonement, and one that I’m sure Prof. Hill would both understand and welcome: she’s no fool, after all.

  39. 39.

    Ivan X

    We just closed on our new house in Santa Barbara. It’s cute and beautiful! We were here visiting my family here in March, and didn’t go home; we determined that we could work remotely, so we just decided to move from NYC and stay for good. We got lucky during the purchase on a lot of fronts. It’s very exciting! Never bought a house before. Leaving NYC is hard, though perhaps less so during a pandemic

    I know you might not personally find this interesting, but I’ve been here (BJ) since, what, pre-Obama anyway. I’m 98% lurker, but I still think of here as community, so I wanted to share it.

  40. 40.

    Steeplejack

    @lamh36:

    I hate-watch House Hunters (and International) sometimes. I know they edit it to heighten the “drama,” but the people’s demands are usually very unrealistic, and with the couples I wonder how they’re even still married, much less looking for a house.

    One I do like is My Lottery Dream Home. Mostly average schmoes who got struck by lightning, and they’re usually just looking for something a little higher up the ladder.

  41. 41.

    Brachiator

    It’s funny. The editorial cartoon did not point a finger at Utah law enforcement; but the sheriff association chose to align itself with cops on general, including criminal cops. Too bad they discounted Utah history:

    According to a new book titled “The Invisible Empire in the West,” the KKK recognized early in the 1920s that the key to its success in the Intermountain West was Salt Lake City. And it failed, largely because of strong opposition by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.In a chapter titled “A Battle of Empires: The Klan in Salt Lake City,” Larry R. Gerlach suggests the fierce opposition was rooted both in religious ideology and in “the numerous acts of coercion, physical abuse and even murder suffered by Mormon missionaries in the post-Civil War South by persons acting under the name of the Klan.”

    Obviously, the Mormons have a problematic history with people of color, but Mormons and other Utah residents have a good history with respect to kicking the Klan to the curb.

  42. 42.

    Capri

    @lamh36:   My favorite part of House Hunter is when one of the houses they turn down is nicer than the one they go with (because they already own it) and they have to make the world’s lamest excuses why they didn’t pick the nicer house. “The swimming pool is too big” or ” Sure House A is less expensive, closer to our work, and nicer. but the downstairs bathroom is the wrong color.”

  43. 43.

    Sloane Ranger

    @lamh36: I remember several years ago, as a  trades union official, having to break the news to a senior manager who had transferred to London from the north of England, that he was not going to be able to buy a house with stable and paddock anywhere near London with his budget of 1 million pounds.

    I could see the look of disbelief on his face  I don’t believe he ever did buy property in London or the home counties.

  44. 44.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Hell, she gave a speech to the 2016 RNC convention. She’s always been a piece of shit. So is her mother. So is Ivana. I wouldn’t doubt Barron is fucked up too.

    I did some reading about the children and grandchildren of WW2 war criminals Hideki Tojo and Heinrich Himmler. Himmler’s daughter, Gudrun, and Tojo’s granddaughter, Yuko Tojo, both went to their graves believing in their respective fathers’ causes.

    Yuko Tojo was even a brief political hopeful in 2007. Here’s some info about her from Wiki:

    In May 2007, Tojo revealed her intention to run in the House of Councillors election at the age of 68. She ran on a far-right platform, demanding the enshrinement of all of Japan’s military war dead (to include Class A war criminals such as her grandfather) at the controversial Yasukuni Shrine.[2] Tojo also adopted a policy of blanket denialism of any Japanese war crimes during World War II, which she angrily dismissed as “purely US propaganda”, designed to “smear the glorious reputation of the proud and honorable Japanese warrior race (戦士のレース)”. She vowed to work to throw out the Japanese constitution if elected, which bans all offensive warfare in perpetuity, with Tojo dismissing the non-offensive clause as “racist, obstructionist” and “created entirely by the hand of American manipulators” and “intended to keep the Japanese people in a slave state to Western interests”.

    Tojo was also a particularly strong patron of The Truth about Nanjing, a fringe propaganda movie in production by Japanese ultra-nationalist revisionist filmmaker Satoru Mizushima, who claims that the 1937 Nanking Massacre was completely fabricated by the United States and China in a collaborative effort to “slander the glorious exploits of the Japanese soldier” in World War II, which Mizushima (and Tojo) view as the highest point of Japanese civilization. According to Mizushima and Tojo, there were no murders or rapes ever committed in Nanking except for “a few”, which were committed by “US/Chinese spies” in order to create false photographs to slander the honor of the Imperial Japanese Army.[3]

    Tojo was subsequently mocked and accused of racism, conspiracy theorism and radical, antiquated ultra-conservatism by her own countrymen for her statements. Many left-of-center and centrist politicians objected strongly to her term “warrior race”, a heavily loaded racial term which has not been used since the heyday of Imperial Japan in the 1940s. “There are no war criminals in Japan”, Tojo famously announced, a statement which prompted derision and mockery from the Japanese political left and embarrassment from the Japanese political right, many of whom are sympathetic to the shrine burial issue but embarrassed by the extreme nature of Tojo’s other demands, such as the scrapping of the Japanese constitution. A commentator noted that “[now] even the far-right seem hesitant to back her”. Other infamous comments by Tojo include “The war was started by the meddling of the Western gangster-thugs” and “No Japanese warrior ever committed a crime if his heart’s true intent was the expansion of our grand Empire”.

    Tojo also frequently lionized her grandfather in speeches, calling Hideki Tojo “a true and honorable son of Japan”, who “died clean and innocent” at the hands of a combined “United States/Chinese conspiracy”. She even managed to alienate her former supporters on the right, including Prime Minister Shinzō Abe, who, despite agreeing that Japan’s World War II war criminals should be re-buried among the regular soldiers, pointedly distanced himself from the remainder of Tojo’s harsh racial rhetoric, especially her demands for a new constitution that would permit Japan to wage offensive war again, a concept Abe called “madness”. “Tojo’s strong nationalistic attitude might appeal to certain extreme elements of the population, but most Japanese do not sympathize with her views. She has no chance at all at the elections,” stated one commentator.

    Lovely woman, right? It should be noted that Shinzo Abe isn’t a great person either. He’s just quiet about his Imperial apologetics

  48. 48.

    UncleEbeneezer

    There have been numerous reports of police depts being filled with KKK/Nazis.  Sounds like this cartoonist struck a nerve.

     

    113 degrees at our house so we decided to treat ourselves to a couple nights at a cheap motel with a pool ?

  49. 49.

    Gvg

    @Chetan Murthy: I don’t know…she is an adult and all but all I heard was her demanding Biden apologize I thought for calling her dad a liar. Children tend to really try hard not to see parents serious flaws. Foster parent training emphasized never calling the bio parent bad in front of their children even if the parents had seriously injured the child such as burning them because the children would defend their parent and rebel against you. I had toddlers who were mostly preverbal so it didn’t come up for me, but it did with others I knew. The fact she hasn’t lived with him much in her life may also make it easier to deny.

    I’m going to ignore her. Once he’s gone I’ll probably never hear about her again.

  50. 50.

    Wag

    As a physician who looks at lots of X-rays, I noticed another problem with the policeman’s film. In addition to having a Klansman for his spine, he has no heart.

  51. 51.

    JMG

    A reality show I like is French, “Un Diner Presque Parfait” (A Nearly Perfect Dinner), in which five contestants give dinner parties for the other four, one after the other (each arc takes the week) with the four guests judging the event behind his/her back. They have weird themes given to them by the program. Very funny, but notable because each contestant has at least talented amateur cooking skills and they are chosen by the producers for their personality quirks. That level of ability is just considered a given for the Frenchperson on the street.

  52. 52.

    Eljai

    @Steeplejack: My Lottery Dream Home is one of my favorite shows to watch when I want to decompress.  The host is charismatic and the people are happy.  I like the international version too.

  53. 53.

    lamh36

    @Steeplejack: right, the drama of it is what draws me in…LOL.

    I don’t even care bout the updates on “House Hunter:Renovations” or “House Hunters:Revisted”…LOL.

    It’s the drama of it all that I love…I mean there is a new show called “Big Easy Sells” or something like that… they showed a clip of it.

    Some couple buying a 1million dollar home in this area of NOLA that ain’t nobody should be paying 1mill for a home, but I’m gonna still enjoy it cause just as with House Hunters, I can watch it and scream “you fools” at the tv…LOL

  54. 54.

    Steeplejack

    @Chyron HR:

    Jared probably has another sister-in-law, maybe married to his brother?

    ETA:

    Because I’m always happy to do the heavy lifting . . .

    Jared’s brother’s (Joshua) wife, Karlie Kloss, is the Democrat traitor in the family.

  56. 56.

    lamh36

    @Capri: right…It’s fun to me to figure out which house I know they arleady chose and try to look for clues to see if I can guess which one.

    It’s like being Sherlock Holmes…lol.  Looking for ticks and glitches…LOL

  58. 58.

    Brachiator

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    113 degrees at our house so we decided to treat ourselves to a couple nights at a cheap motel with a pool

    This is sounding like a good idea. I would also need a good ice machine nearby.

  60. 60.

    lamh36

    @Steeplejack: I mean the episode I’m watching now, the young lady is

    19!!!!! Graduated college at 19 in Carolina (they didn’t really say which) and now looking to buy a home in Austin.

     

    19 years old with a job w/a US firm in cybersecurity.

    She wants a condo, her mom wants her to live in the suburbs.

    Mom she’s 19 why da fuq would she live in the suburbs.

    Now see this type of stuff, ain’t no damn way this shit ain’t ridiculou…but the drama of it all entertains me

  63. 63.

    Quinerly

    @Eolirin: you are correct! My neighbors sold their home. Then it was on the show. We all watched. Woman was critical of things (mostly kitchen) she had done to the home after she had bought it. Plus, the house had her furniture in it on the show.

  69. 69.

    Jay

    BREAKING: Two self-described “Boogaloo Bois” were charged for allegedly conspiring and attempting to aid extremist Islamist group Hamas as part of “their desire to overthrow the government” after protests erupted over the police-killing of George Floyd https://t.co/adxeO3AAze— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) September 4, 2020

  71. 71.

    Barbara

    @lamh36: Favorite House Hunters was people who wanted a second home in Vail.  They wanted four bedrooms and had a budget of $600K.  The house that fit their wish list was $2.5 million.  They were persuaded to move 20 minutes away.  But  of course they had to know they couldn’t afford what they wanted so the whole show was a joke.  They lived in Denver.  Even I know they couldn’t get that in Vail.

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    @Ivan X: I think that’s totally “Celebrating Jackals” material.  If you’d like to write up your story, send some pics, etc. I’ll put it up.

    In the meantime, big congratulations!

  74. 74.

    Ohio Mom

    Ivan X:
    Wishing you all the best in your new home. In my dream trip to California itinerary, there is a stop in Santa Barbara to see the Monarch Butterfly preserve.

    Welcome out of lurking, please stay and comment regularly.

  77. 77.

    Patricia Kayden

    OANN: "Multiple boats are sinking at the Trump boat parade in Lake Travis, Texas. This is what Joe Biden's America looks like ?"— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) September 5, 2020

  80. 80.

    Quinerly

    @Lapassionara: doing fine. Cancelled my Mesa Verde/Four Corners/Santa Fe 6 weeks trip for Sept/Oct. We were going to celebrate JoJo’s year birthday in his “native lands.”

    Missing live music in Soulard. Working hard on finishing this walk out basement apt project. It’s turned into an “art project.” Cool space. Trying to finish the mosaic copper penny bathroom floor. Hope you are well. Would love another meet up down the road. ?

  81. 81.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Chyron HR:

    Not his wife’s sister. Jared’s brother’s wife.

    We need more precision in the English language to accommodate these tangential relationships.

  83. 83.

    Miss Bianca

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: I thought I read somewhere a long time ago that Anita Hill answered the question of whether or not she would vote for Biden with: “of course, I’m not stupid.”

    But sounds like the working together on a project to address old wounds is a BFBidenD.

  84. 84.

    Ivan X

    Thank you everyone for your warm wishes! It is indeed a cultural shift. I’ll keep you posted! So far, it’s pretty nice. Santa Barbara is indeed beautiful, which feels good in a time of contagion.

    @WaterGirl: I might take you up on that!

  85. 85.

    lamh36

    @Barbara: it’s all just ridiculous which is why I love to hate it…LOL

    I especially love the eps in cities where I lived and KNOW the market cause then I can love-hate it even more…LOL

  87. 87.

    Bill Arnold

    @Gvg:
    I just read her RNC speech transcript (refuse to watch)
    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/tiffany-trump-2020-rnc-speech-transcript
    and my impression from the transcript is that she believes what she says, that her father is good for America. Lots of counterfactual nonsense about media hostile to Trump. True stuff about [self-reinforcing epistemological bubbles] then not spotting the RW realities. Has she ever seen the emails sent out by her father’s campaign? Pure manipulative lying grift, targeting the gullible primed by the RW echo-system. [1]
    A majority of voter opinions currently differ, and we need to make that be true or more true in early Nov.
    [1] fingers/subconscious did that instead of “eco”; works better.

  88. 88.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Patricia Kayden: speaking of which…

    KANSAS CITY — Two southern Missouri men who said they traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, to see President Donald Trump’s visit and proof of rioting face federal gun charges, according to a criminal complaint [….]

    Karmo told FBI agents he and Smith were part of the 417 Second Amendment Militia and planned next to go to Portland, Oregon, to see for themselves what was going on. Karmo allegedly said that he would be willing to “take action” if police were defunded.

    Both men were prohibited from possessing firearms and ammunition due to prior convictions. Karmo has prior felony convictions. Smith has a prior misdemeanor domestic battery conviction and acknowledged regular drug use, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.

    Karmo is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. Smith is charged with aiding and abetting a felon’s possession of firearms and two counts of possession of firearms and ammunition by a prohibited person.
    According to the complaint, the FBI arrested the two roommates from Hartville, Missouri, after law enforcement officials received a tip that the men had traveled to Kenosha armed with firearms allegedly to loot and possibly “pick people off.”

    Law’n’order. What do you wanna bet “misdemeanor” domestic battery was a plea deal?

  94. 94.

    trollhattan

    @Patricia Kayden:

    If Trumpers sinking into reservoirs is what Biden’s America looks like then I cannot wait for Biden’s America. It ain’t taco trucks on every corner, but a good start.

  96. 96.

    Uncle Omar

    As someone with absolutely no talent for drawing, but an active imagination, can someone with both do a cartoon of Trumpov at the Viet Name Memorial with him saying.  “Suckers. Losers.  All of them.”

  97. 97.

    geg6

    @Ivan X:

    Santa Barbara is just lovely.  Been years since I was there but I used to spend a month there every late spring while my high school boyfriend attended college at the Brooks Institute.  Which is now in Ventura, I believe.  That’s where I fell in love with CA.

  99. 99.

    Steeplejack

    @geg6:

    He is a great host, and he seems to do a good job for his guests. Although I have passed out from drinking every time he says “Adorable!” Had to quit that game.

    Plus when I watch a big block of reruns it’s mildly creepy to see his tattoos grow and recede and grow again.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Boogaloo Boys want to incite a Race War in the US.

    doesn’t sound “left” to me.

    Boogaloo Boys share the same tropes, the same memes, the (((same))) CT as the Nazis.

    They wear Hawaiian shirts as a uniform, just like Proud Boys to the various “Identity” Groups wear matching polos.

  101. 101.

    TS (the original)

    @WaterGirl:

    Her face looks like it was carved out of stone.

    Well she is married to a Kushner. They all look like that. But she is voting for Biden & voted for Hillary so I don’t much care what she looks like.

  103. 103.

    Jeffro

    I had to escape the nonsense for…oh hey, looks like about 3 hours straight!…and check out this “Cobra Kai” teevee show thing I’ve been hearing about.

    Love. It.

    Love love love it.  Well paced, well acted, and the occasional hair-metal background music is THE BOMB.  Just what the doctor ordered!

    On to episode 7… ;)

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    So you live in a city/state you love for years…but then your S.O. gets offerred a new job that relocates to another city/state. This is not the first time you’ve relocated for your S.O. job. Now you’re in the new city and looking for a home…

    Is it wrong to be like “well I moved for you again…so what I want should have a bigger influence on the house we buy”?

    As a singleton, I’d love to hear what you domesticated folks think…LOL.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c95d8bec651c4ee4938db6b7ca3f78f5f4f2ca5a6fbfde5ba257aac4cd764ca.gif

  105. 105.

    tokyokie

    @Sloane Ranger: My father was an engineer for an oil company, and in the early ’70s, he was transferred to London in order to work on North Sea production. The company provided a generous stipend for housing, and my parents rented a three-bedroom flat across from Regent’s Park and near Lord’s Cricket Grounds. A few years ago, on a lark, I checked London real-estate listings and found the very flat in which my parents lived for sale. When I told my mother the asking price was north of a million quid, she refused to believe me — and that was probably 15 years ago.

  107. 107.

    jayjaybear

    I don’t really care for Lottery Dream Home, mostly because David is just so extra. And I speak as a fellow homosexual! He’s so over the top…

  109. 109.

    Ohio Mom

    That Boogaloo Hawaiin shirt uniform annoys me no end. How dare they, everyone knows Hawaiian shirts are Weird Al’s thing. He has hundreds of them.

  112. 112.

    Mike in NC

    @Ivan X: Never made it to Santa Barbara when I was stationed in California, but we loved “Psyche” and it seems like a lovely place to live.

  113. 113.

    Jay

    @Just One More Canuck:

    Still remember a massive programming fail from The Outdoor Life Channel.

    First was Bear Grizz’s “Alaska” episode, where he showed how to traverse Alaska’s Coastal Range safely, which included being helicoptered out to a 5 Star Hotel at night, because the various “wildlife”, made it too dangerous to sleep out overnight.

    Next up was Survivorman’s “Alaska” episode, where he mocked up a kayak accident aftermath in one of the southern Fiords. He freezes his ass off on a cobble beach, fights a Bald Eagle for a rotting chunk of halibut, gets sick and it doesn’t even work as crab bait.

    Last up was Ray Mear’s “Alaska”, in which, using traditional Indigenous knowledge and skills, he builds a small, split plank cedar “longhouse”, spears a salmon with a carved flutter lure and spear, alder smokes the salmon which is served with a gathered salad. Appetizers was “when the tide is out, the table is set”.

  115. 115.

    NobodySpecial

    @lamh36: It always stuns me when I see propaganda TV like that. I just bought my house a month ago in flyover country. 2 bedrooms, one bath, finished basement, nice backyard with a couple of 40 foot blue spruce, a mulberry tree, and a cherry tree, only minor issues) and my friends on the coasts asked me why I dropped a zero off the end of my house price when I showed it to them.

  116. 116.

    geg6

    @jayjaybear:

    He reminds me of one of my oldest friends from K through 12, Vinnie.  We’re still friends, though we see each other fitfully.  He is just like David and I love it!  His sister just moved next door to my sister so I’m hoping to see him a lot more soon.

  120. 120.

    Jay

    from a new, separate WaPo story:"the president told senior advisers that he didn’t understand why the U.S. gov't placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly & gotten caught & deserved what they got"https://t.co/1Y9gDjYgGU— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) September 4, 2020

  122. 122.

    VeniceRiley

    My TV writer friends will tell you all reality TV is scripted. The storylines, all of it.
    I like that mother/daughter redhead renovation show in Indianapolis.

  124. 124.

    piratedan

    @VeniceRiley: Good Bones…. sad to understand that this is true even for The Amazing Race… that kind of sucks but is a big reason why I simply don’t watch “reality tv” these days.

  125. 125.

    Miss Bianca

    @Steeplejack: Obviously my snarkometer is malfunctioning. It’s just that I’m getting to the point where I can’t tell what’s real and what’s parody.

  126. 126.

    Jay

    @piratedan:

    yeah, no. The Warriors were a NYC “gang” trying to get home across other “gangs” territory. About as real a “gang” story as West Side Story.

    The Boogaloo Boys are Nazis pretending not to be Nazis, using the same Pepe Lutz to try to avoid being labelled as Nazis.

    And they have/are killing people.

    Don’t remember any Comicon Murder Sprees.

  128. 128.

    MomSense

    @Jeffro:

    ME TOO.  I’m totally hooked.  This show sucked me right in and I can tell it is going to be a late night.

    ETA Just finished episode 6.  No spoilers!

  133. 133.

    piratedan

    @Jay: I know the movie, what I said is that they’re cosplaying, using the clothes/look as their colors…. and their behavior is that of a gang, albeit a national one.

  141. 141.

    Steeplejack

    Martin Scorsese’s 2008 Rolling Stones concert documentary Shine a Light is starting in a few minutes on TCM.

  143. 143.

    J R in WV

    @Ivan X:

    Congrats… it’s a big deal to buy a house. I still remember signing up for 15 years of payments when I was a mere sprout of 25~!~

    Back in 1974. We still owe a wee bit, but it’s the fourth house and the 6th mortgage.

  148. 148.

    Barbara

    @TS (the original): This is the woman whose father Kushner consulted for advice on the pandemic. He is an anesthesiologist.  I can’t remember exactly how he responded, but you kind of get the idea he was, umm, surprised, to be the guy being asked to advise on the government’s infectious disease response.

  149. 149.

    Bill Arnold

    @Barbara:

    She wants the party to continue so she can get in on the grifting.

    I haven’t examined her like her father’s other adult children. Recent law school graduate; maybe law school messed her up a bit. If it’s as you say, then she is fair game for personal destruction tactics. (Barron is not fair game until oh age 21 maybe, and he’s kept out of politics anyway.)

  150. 150.

    Barbara

    @trollhattan: Sorry if this has already been dealt with, but it’s Karlie Kloss, Jared’s brother’s wife.  Sister in law in the other direction.  Not Tiffany.

  152. 152.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Barbara:

    And IIRC the father then reached out to colleagues who actually had something to offer and who had knowledge to share, put together a package and gave it to Kushner who promptly ignored it.

  154. 154.

    Steeplejack

    @Miss Bianca:

    I know. I have to go check before I issue a ruling. ?

    The ultimate “misunderstood” Twitter feed is Coach Letterman. This guy is an Andy Kaufman-level comedy genius who has built up a whole persona as your worst nightmare of a blowhard youth football coach. He constantly sucks people in—even famous ones, sometimes—reposts their flames and then lets his minions nip at their ankles. Almost always in good fun (once you see the joke). To be honest, it took me weeks when I started following him about a year ago.

    ETA: He even pisses off people in other languages.

    Translation:

    He is one of the millions of people whose brain the capital system has left ignorant, numb and put to sleep.

    One of those deceived people who just cannot do research, believing what is being said.

  157. 157.

    Elizabelle

    Oh Gawd.

    Another [boat] parade, the Nation’s Capital Trumptilla Boat Parade and Rally, is planned for Sunday on the Potomac River.

    Oh please, oh please, oh please …

  160. 160.

    TS (the original)

    @Barbara:

    This is the woman whose father Kushner consulted for advice on the pandemic

    So  all roads lead to a relative who will support the b.s. – except this one presumably didn’t.

  165. 165.

    Barbara

    @TS (the original): As Humboldt said above, I think he consulted with colleagues who were better placed and came up with some policy ideas for him to consider.  Honestly, the level of sheer ineptitude that the WH has brought to the pandemic might be a good basis for an update of Dr. Strangelove: The Pandemic.  In this case, it was fairly clear that the doctor did not really support the BS but he was polite about it.

  166. 166.

    Kay

    The Trump Administration freak show continues:

    Before Donald Trump ever sought the Oval Office, he was preoccupied by its occupant President Barack Obama, publicly questioning his birthplace and privately describing him as “a Manchurian candidate” who obtained his Ivy League degrees only by way of affirmative action, according to a new book by Trump’s former attorney, Michael Cohen.
    CNN obtained a copy of the book ahead of its Tuesday publication.
    Trump’s disdain for Obama was so extreme that he took his fixation a step further, according to Cohen: Trump hired a “Faux-Bama” to participate in a video in which Trump “ritualistically belittled the first black president and then fired him.”
    Cohen’s book, “Disloyal: A Memoir,” doesn’t name the man who was allegedly hired to play Obama or provide a specific date for the incident, but it does include a photograph of Trump sitting behind a desk, facing a Black man wearing a suit with an American flag pin affixed to the lapel. On Trump’s desk are two books, one displaying Obama’s name in large letters.

    Good for us, though. Obama is much more popular than Trump.

  171. 171.

    J R in WV

    @HumboldtBlue:

    And IIRC the father then reached out to colleagues who actually had something to offer and who had knowledge to share, put together a package and gave it to Kushner who promptly ignored it.

    How typical… anyone with real insight, GTFO !!!

  172. 172.

    JaySinWA

    @Amir Khalid: Hawaii is probably the meltiest of the American melting pot. And they seem to be happy to sell their shirts to tourists as a kind of trademark advertising. The Boogaloo bois are a whole other kettle of poi.

  174. 174.

    Steeplejack

    @Kay:

    God, I have been resisting, but I know I am going to break down and buy some of these people’s books. Cohen’s might be the one that breaks the damn.

    (I don’t include Mary Trump’s book, which I thought was good.)

  175. 175.

    Kay

    @lamh36:

    Yup. We all knew it though- we all knew that as bad as they are in public they are worse in private. The sleazy, petty, mean-spirited behavior we see publicly is the BEST these people can do.

  179. 179.

    Steeplejack

    @zhena gogolia, @Steeplejack:

    Now I’m picturing Inspector Thursday seeing this on the telly at home and being transfixed (against his will). Mrs. Thursday slightly unsettled but not turning it off because if it’s on the telly it must be all right.

  183. 183.

    Leto

    @Kay: That’s part of why we know he’s called the military “suckers” and “losers”. He’s so fucking disrespectful in public to service members, but he’s suddenly going to praise them in private? GTFO

  184. 184.

    Kay

    @Steeplejack:

    I don’t trust Mary Trump. I know it’s ungenerous but I can’t help wondering if she would have come out against him if he hadn’t have stolen her inheritance. It always goes back to money with these people- always.

    I’m tired of being involved in their garbage family. I think they take and take and take, always demanding something. There are SO MANY of them. We didn’t just get the shitty President. We got his entire extended family, including spouses. It’s too much.

  185. 185.

    Soprano2

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, Hartville is close to my neck of the woods. My husband read that story to me out of our local paper, saying “It just keeps getting better”. Paint me completely unsurprised,  they love Trump here and would be up for shooting some BLM members.

  186. 186.

    Steeplejack

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Dam you, autocorrect!

    I have a good library, but I’m never quick enough to get on the waiting list before it’s weeks or months long. In these dreadful but historic times I might just take the hit and get Kindle editions.

  187. 187.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay:

    SwearOnWhateverOrWhoeverHat @Popehat
    Of course Michael Cohen is an amoral, serially lying disgrace.

    How do you think he got the job

    ETA: I couldn’t resist buying Mary Trump’s book, just out of spite, even though I pretty much knew going in all the really good stuff would be reported/tweeted/podcasted out. Cohen’s I think i’ll be able to resist.

  189. 189.

    Steeplejack

    @Kay:

    You’ve got a good point there. My spidey sense has been tingling a bit lately at her suddenly elevated profile in Democratic politics. Didn’t someone here say today that they got a fundraising letter from her? Just seems a bit odd that she went from no one ever knowing about her for years to suddenly being all over the place. But that’s the media spotlight, I guess.

    At least she’s making bank on the book, so that’s got to be a thorn in Donald’s side. He can’t stand people “making money off him.”

  190. 190.

    Elizabelle

    Head out and take a look at the moon tonight. There is a bright tiny sphere right next to the moon.

    Have never seen that in my life. Came in to find out what it was and — Mars.

    Should have known.  It is slightly orange, even to the naked eye.

  191. 191.

    Kay

    @Leto:

    I don’t think there’s any doubt he said what was reported. I think he cannot bear any positive attention that goes to anyone else, ever. Every single one of these incidents, including the newest one with Obama, involve Donald Trump being angry that someone else was respected or admired, and denigrating that person.

  192. 192.

    VeniceRiley

    @piratedan: yeah, Good Bones!  I like it. Family friendly. No drama.  Seems more real and I think they really do like the actual jobs.
    I don’t, by and large, watch reality TV either. Sometime Robeet Irvine because he comes off as caring about the ,ental health of his resto rescues. but even the Great Brrit bakeoff, which I enjoy to a certain extent, smells of manufactured disasters and reactions that are wildly at odds with what is happening onscreen.

  194. 194.

    Kay

    @Steeplejack:

    At least she’s making bank on the book

    Another person making money off the collapse of this country. And, oh, look! It’s a Trump! What is that, now? Ten of them? Mary is, I think, eleven. 11 of them, in our faces every day. Too many.

    I prefer Cohen. He was a small time crook who got in too deep with this crime family, and he doesn’t pretend to be anything else.

  195. 195.

    Patricia Kayden

    Trump hates the Evangelicals too.

    “Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump allegedly said: ‘Can you believe that bulls–t? Can you believe people believe that bulls–t?’” https://t.co/yALbGFt0BU— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) September 6, 2020

  198. 198.

    Another Scott

    @Bill Arnold: Thanks for the pointer.

    I should have known there was horrible symbolism in all their stupid paraphernalia.  :-/

    Bellingcat does great work.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  200. 200.

    Steeplejack

    @Kay:

    Well, I see Mary as getting some of her lost inheritance back by taking it out of Donald’s hide. I don’t see her revelations as contributing to the collapse of the country. Documenting an aspect of it, sure.

  201. 201.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay:

    Another person making money off the collapse of this country. And, oh, look! It’s a Trump!

    Mary Trump, whatever her motivations, is trying to stop the collapse of this country. She exposed the fraud that is trump with the information she gave the NYT years ago. It’s not her fault the majority of the American people are too stupid to pay attention, and  if she wants to make money off her situation, I have no problem with that. She’s not abusing a government position to steal money from people who don’t know, or won’t care, what’s going on.

  202. 202.

    Ian

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    Is a huge family, with long standing ties that predate the actions of their most infamous member.

    One would think that she would keep a low profile, knowing how people would react given the history, so its hard to hay who her ‘endorsement’ may be aimed to help.

  206. 206.

    Leto

    @Kay:

     

    I know it’s ungenerous but I can’t help wondering if she would have come out against him if he hadn’t have stolen her inheritance.

    She spoke about this at length, as to why she didn’t. But you don’t watch Maddow so it’s understandable that you’re uninformed.

  208. 208.

    Another Scott

    @Steeplejack:

    [raises hand]

    Hi Another Scott,

    The last few months have been a whirlwind for me personally, but that pales in comparison to the increasing levels of chaos and discord that have afflicted our country over the last three and a half years. Americans deserve better, but we can turn the tide only if we vote and demand that the powerful be held accountable.

    Conversations like the one we had with many of you last night remind me not only what is at stake, but what is possible when we work together. It’s been an honor getting to know Qasim and his character and positions stand in stark relief to the current congressman who has continually failed Virginia’s first district. Qasim’s platform affirms that we don’t just need to defeat Donald, we need to repudiate all of those who stand with him.

    This country is at an inflection point and we face a crucial test: Will we be resolute in our defense of inalienable rights? Will we defend compassion, virtue, and inclusion as fundamental American values? Or will we sit idle as Donald’s supporters attack Black lives, Trans lives, and immigrants’ lives?

    This is our moment and we must refuse to stay silent. We must reject the despotism and hatred of the current administration and rise above the darkness that threatens our way of life. A crucial step toward getting our country back is to support and elect people like Qasim Rashid to Congress.

    CONTRIBUTE

    Thank you for inviting me into your community–I cannot wait to see you make history on November 3.

    All the best,

    Mary L Trump

    It’s a good letter, FWIW.

    (My paper and Kindle book pile is far too high already…)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  209. 209.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I would just be more comfortable going back to when I wasn’t involved in the Trump Family probate dispute over the ill-gotten gains of the virulent racist patriarch who launched this horrible family.

    They’ll have to pay me to get involved in that. I don’t wish her any harm.  I hope she has a nice life. As long as I’m not involved in any part of it, even tangentially. On or about covid death # 100k I lost interest in this true crime miniseries. There are too many Trumps and they always want something.

  212. 212.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay: hell, I wish shows like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous and Entertainment Tonight and whatever the hell else hadn’t made this awful buffoon a household name thirty-five years ago. I was a David Letterman fan-boy, but it drove me crazy that he gave the odious birther, as he then was, a platform on what seemed like a monthly appearance in the last couple years of his show (also Paris Hilton, but that bit of human dryer lint is at least harmless).

    But he’s president now. And if Mary Trump and the cloaked-by-anonymity Jim Mattis (and probably John Kelly) and even Michael Cohen can add a few cuts to the thousands it will need to undo that, I’m not gonna push any of them away, whatever I might think of how they (with the exception of Mary Trump) helped get us here.

  213. 213.

    Kay

    @Leto:

    But you don’t watch Maddow so it’s understandable that you’re uninformed.

    Ha!
    She secretly recorded her aunt to gather information for her inheritance case. “The enemy of your enemy is your friend” is almost never true. Usually they’re just terrible people who you happened to get stuck with, but really should avoid.

  215. 215.

    Kay

    @Patricia Kayden:

    There’s a VIDEO? Finally. One of these fucking useless turncoats brings some evidence. Ten minutes into Cohen’s testimony all I could think was “my GOD, he doesn’t HAVE anything!”

    I find them disappointing as witnesses, frankly. There are 17 year old juvenile delinquents who flip on their co-conspirators more effectively than these people.

  218. 218.

    Another Scott

    @Kay: Really?

    Of course he has evidence.  He was Donnie’s “fixer”.

    And that’s why Donnie and Barr tried to keep him in jail.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  219. 219.

    TS (the original)

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Fuck this pandemic.  I wish I could go outside and dance without a mask.

    Fuck this pandemic. I wish I could go visit my granddaughter (without breaking an emergency law).

     

  221. 221.

    Kay

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I feel like Cohen can be rehabilitated. Not as a witness- he has no credibility, really, but as a person. He fell in with the wrong crowd. Maybe he has insight on how to deprogam the other Trump cultists.

  228. 228.

    jayjaybear

    @geg6: I LOVE Good Bones. That family tree is ridiculously complicated, too. Unfortunately, I just heard that Karen is semi-retiring from the renovation portion of the business, but will continue to be the DIY person who makes things for the houses. And I have such a crush on all they guys, Tad, Corey and Austin!

  229. 229.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Kay:

    I feel like Cohen can be rehabilitated. Not as a witness- he has no credibility, really, but as a person. He fell in with the wrong crowd.

    It might be worth remembering that Cohen has an entire criminal backstory separate from Trump, that was part of why he came to Trump’s attention.  It concerns the Ukranian mob, and he was at great pains to not disclose anything about -them- to the Feds during his plea-bargaining.  Just sayin’ ….. sure, he’s being a stand-up guy about Trump.  But he’s still a mobster and a criminal.

    He’s done nothing to atone for those things.

  230. 230.

    ballerat

    @lamh36: Nineteen year old college grad, just out of school and has a job and at least 50 grand to put down on a house.

    This is how normal for college grads?

  231. 231.

    Kent

    @Jay:

    From the Seattle Parks Department

    Seattle Parks @SeattleParks

    Replying to
    @KCEquityNow

    This was a mixup on our part. One of our security staff was unaware this was a backpack/school supplies giveaway and called SPD to report an unpermitted event, and once they were corrected, they called SPD back to correct the unwarranted call.

  232. 232.

    Calouste

    @ballerat: Not normal, but if you graduate college at 19 you’re probably quite a bit better than average. And with good grades from a big name university in math or so the job she got in cyber security most likely was more than 6 figures with a nice signing bonus.

  233. 233.

    ballerat

    My fav Kay-phorisms in this thread:

    There are too many Trumps and they always want something.

    “The enemy of your enemy is your friend” is almost never true. Usually they’re just terrible people who you happened to get stuck with, but really should avoid.

    Words of wisdom.

  237. 237.

    JAFD

    My father was a real estate broker in suburban Philadelphia, I learned early that an incoming buyer from NYC or California would make your day ;-)

    Worked as salesman for his firm, after I turned 21.  Oneovdezedaze will post some pics, of the villas in Aston you could buy for thirty thousand in 1971…

  242. 242.

    zhena gogolia

    @Steeplejack:

    Yeah, I like her but I share some of your suspicion.

    Plus, say what you will about the disgusting Trumps, secretly taping your auntie is not very pretty.

  243. 243.

    WaterGirl

    @Kent:

    This was a mixup on our part. One of our security staff was unaware this was a backpack/school supplies giveaway and called SPD to report an unpermitted event, and once they were corrected, they called SPD back to correct the unwarranted call.

    Our security people weren’t doing their jobs because they didn’t know this was a scheduled event.  They saw black people and assumed the worst, and called the police, without caring that police + black people all too often = black people dying.

    Fixed that for you.

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