What does this do to the model Nate https://t.co/of8yG8F58Z
— Evan Scrimshaw (@EScrimshaw) September 28, 2020
… For the MAGA kids in the peanut gallery…
SRSLY, though: This would seem to be a strong indicator that the suits at the NYTimes have decided that propping up Trump would be pursuing a sunk cost fallacy. The king is dead, long live the king! cry the Very Serious Media Persons.
NYT reports that “within the next four years, more than $300 million in loans — obligations for which he is personally responsible — will come due” for President Trump. https://t.co/ZRYQrrWLSq
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) September 27, 2020
This may be why @realDonaldTrump has potential legal problems. If you claim massive losses to avoid paying federal income taxes but inflate your revenues and assets on bank documents for loan purposes, wouldn’t that constitute fraud?
— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) September 27, 2020
Worth noting that significant delinquent debt disqualifies most people from obtaining a government security clearance.
The U.S. government views this as a vulnerability and a point of leverage for foreign adversaries seeking access to classified information.
— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) September 27, 2020
The Trump tax story is a national security story.
— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) September 28, 2020
You can read Trump's tax returns two ways: either Donald Trump is the greatest tax cheat in US history – or he is a financial desperado hopelessly in debt to God knows who & needs every dollar he scams from Secret Service golf car rentals just to pay the electricity bill
— David Frum (@davidfrum) September 27, 2020
With any* luck it won't really matter to him on account of being in federal prison for the rest of his natural life
*read: more luck than anyone or anything has ever had in the history of the universe
— Bart Crisp (@crispy_bart) September 27, 2020
Another reason not to be blase is that the tax story is more likely to matter if the Biden campaign tries to MAKE it matter. The EMAILS/Wikileaks stuff were nothingburgers but they mattered in part because Trump talked about them all the time, and this is a REAL scandal
— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) September 27, 2020
"$70,000 in hairstyling for television" https://t.co/2LDo3WKIS0
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) September 27, 2020
Admit it, though — you’d have to be paid a lot to touch that thing, too…
Remember the reaction when John Edwards was caught paying $400 for a haircut? Trump paid $70,000 on hair care. How is that even possible? Does that thing sitting on his head eat Pangolins and colossal squid eggs?
— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) September 28, 2020
As always, Twitterati: Sharing is caring!
He’s broke. And facing criminal charges. That’s why @realDonaldTrump is sabotaging the mail, welcoming foreign interference, and inciting violence to win an election. This is going to be a rocky ride — but civic participation and unity are our antidotes.
— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) September 27, 2020
I sure hope that trumps many, many minders have more than a few fresh pairs of trousers on hand today. That pigshagger is going to be one raging shite-bag for sure. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t back out of the debates.
Note here, where Trump’s various loans are listed. There are over a dozen, and they total over a billion.
@laura: Yeah, he’s in a bad position (Good!). Weak if he backs away from the debates; exposed to questioning if he debates.
Sucks to be him.
And that 300 mil is just for the above-board (sort of) loans. He undoubtedly owes more to people for whom merely breaking legs is a love tap.
From a Lemieux tweet above:
True, but there was more going on.
a) Wikileaks (a Russian intelligence Op.) understood enough to keep things in the news by dribbling them out bit by bit, regularly, so there would always be some new toy for journalists to play with.
b) Wikileaks prefaced the emails with prefaces that gave distorted summaries of what was in them. Lazy journalists naturally relied on and quoted the summaries rather than the utterly innocuous emails themselves.
c) Journalists were either too dumb, too cynical, too lazy, or most likely a combination of all three, to keep themselves from being manipulated like puppets to keep serving the Wikileaks narrative.
The American journalistic community really has a lot to answer for.
Whatever else you think of its coverage, the Times has been very good on Trump’s finances – the Mary Trump tax return story, the huge unraveling of the history of his business, and now this. You have to wonder if it’s because the Times knows that the serious New York real estate people – who will be there forever – hold Trump in contempt. Or maybe they just have reporters who are good at this stuff.
The first question from Chris Wallace to Trumpov tomorrow night better be “who do you owe all that money to?”
And if Wallace doesn’t ask it, Biden sure as hell should.
@germy: Is it wrong of me to just keep playing it over and over?
The tax story is consuming all the news headline oxygen. Fewer stories about debate prep or any nonsense that Trump might be spewing. Even news about the Supreme Court nominee has been shoved out of prime space. Except of course at Fox News and other right wing sites, which form an alternate universe of dumb news stories.
Trump cannot be a happy camper. He is being hit in his only vulnerable spot: his pride.
How much for make-up?
I’d love to see Biden look into the camera tomorrow night and say everytime Trump golfs at one of his clubs, you hard working, American tax payers finance his many days of goofing off on the job. Then, give the number of times it’s happened and how much it has cost.
And this is exactly what I think will happen.
I’m not judging ’till I get Ross Douthat’s take?????
ETA: Odds on some ‘national security event’ requiring donnie’s presence turning up by the debate start? Any Cubans on other Caribbean islands?
No, provided it’s a healthy activity that’s helping you to work through your issues and become a better person.
Death Becomes Her has my favorite example of the opposite, where repetition just digs the channels of pathology deeper. My second-favorite example would of course be Trump’s twenty-minute Tulsa ramp-and-water diatribe.
98% of tRump voters are idiots, conmen, blind, and/or brainwashed. This won’t change any of that or his vote total. Should it? Yes, but he has spent 4 years grooming them like a pedophile grooms children.
He’s pissed! And you just know right now he’s abusing the shit out of his underlings. Screaming at them “How could you let this happen??”
If not this debate, then the other two for sure. But I wouldn’t count on this gang coming up with something believable, or at least not anything that most Americans think is important. I think someone earlier posted about a border dispute between two of the former Soviet republics?
Remember AOC getting trashed by the RWMFs for her $250 cut a year or two ago? Which is like $75 in Edwards dollars. [OK, not really, but you get my point]
You know how sometimes you have a “private” conversation REALLY LOUDLY SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR?
NBC: Everything Trump’s COVID Adviser Says Is False, Proclaims CDC Director
Funny you should mention that: TPM tells us of a report that the Murderer-in-Chief wanted Princess Vanka to be his running mate in 2016. The report did not specify which meaning of “mate.”
ETA: Apologies to those who felt I should put a trigger warning in there.
That’s so old-fashioned. Nowadays you just “accidentally” butt-dial a reporter before starting.
LOL. @Popehat is $750Hat today.
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@Brachiator: They aren’t even being subtle about the hypocrisy any more. Yes, $70K for Donny’s haircuts, millions for his golfing trips, that’s all A-OK. But one golfing trip or haircut bad for a Dem.
We pledge not to replace a Supreme Court justice in the year before an election. Nah, we’re going to push this one through in the weeks before the election, and we’d do it without a hearing if we could.
I’m seeing ads already using “deficits are bad” (therefore we can’t afford Democratic program X)
Gin & Tonic
@Ken: Armenia and Azerbaijan are on the brink of war, yes.
“Dial” is so old-fashioned.
Also, it’s been a really long time since my butt was small enough to “dial” a number. Like, never.
Broke-ass Soviet shitpile mobster crime family.
SAD! Fuck ’em!
I had to bury my cat this am. She was an outdoor cat, a feral that I took care of. So I buried her in my garden by her favorite spot. She had been sick for several weeks. She was losing weight, so I got her a prescription medicine for her thyroid and special prescription food. but it did not help. She stopped eating a week ago. Yesterday I found her on my front step, that’s where she waited for me to come outside so she could stay with me when I gardened or just sat on the porch. She greeted me but could not stand, so, I sat with her and gently pet her and talked to her. After a few minutes she died peacefully. she had waited for me to come say good bye.
FWIW . (She could not come inside. My wife is very allergic and our dogs not cat friendly. She had a house in our garage with a water-bubbler and food and a litterbox. )
I’m thrilled of course to see all this plastered across the front page of the NYT, and the timing makes me giddy.
But really, other than the specific amounts, didn’t we know all of this already? That Trump cheated on his taxes (he all but admitted it in one of his debates with Hillary), owes gobs of money, is a money launderer, has been breaking the Emoluments Clause and stealing from the public fisc since day one?
Well, educators know that some students need a lot of repetition in order to learn material, and I guess those among us who fit that description are getting it.
Next up, the shocking news that Putin has been influencing and directing Trump.
I remember the reaction Bill Clinton had for his $400 haircut at LAX, on Air Force One, in 1993 where the MSM mindlessly repeated right-wing bullshit about the haircut holding up air traffic for four hours. White House Press Secretary George Stephanapolus was grilled about this huge scandal the next couple of days.
One thing that helped Obama was the internet. If someone started bitching about four hour delays, his folks could pull up flight records in real time.
Yowza, details on Brad Parscale’s involuntary hospitalization from a FL TV outlet. He beat up his wife, was drunk, ranting and slurring and waving a gun around. A cop he knew lured him outside, where another cop took him down when he refused to get on the ground as ordered. Lucky for him he’s white and well connected. Could have ended very differently otherwise…
@CliosFanBoy: I’m sorry. :(
I’m not sure that “serious New York real estate people” hold Trump in contempt. He is one of their own.
New York media have always loved Trump. He was the Swinging Bad Boy real estate mogul. Even other old fart rich East Coasters were amused by Trump. He was living their fantasy.
Even though there would be occasional stories about Trump’s business failures, this was typically soft pedaled. Business reporters never went hard on Trump and could have years ago. And they certainly could have gone hard on him when he seriously began running for president.
And Trump’s bragging to society reporters, including Maureen Dowd, who covered Trump’s social life early on, left trails that could be followed. And yet the business reporters never seemed to ask the society reporters close to Trump the obvious questions.
But the Times did not seem to seriously investigate Trump’s finances until 2018:
Part of the reason for this is quite simple. Trump’s tax manipulations are not unique the the Orange Grifter. His fellow real estate moguls use the same dodges. And the New York upper crust, including media executives, like where they live, in properties provided by Trump and his buddies, and may even have a few dollars invested in various real estate LLCs.
@Ohio Mom: Yes, we know it already. I’ve been hearing for years that the real reason Trump is hiding his tax returns is that he’s squandered his fortune and is deep in the hole and bailing desperately–that it would lay bare the falsity of his identity as a shrewd business mogul.
This makes it THE STORY, though, for a few news cycles at least. It’s substantiation. It makes it harder to just claim this is all just something liberals made up (Trump is claiming that, of course, but this is all over every front page now).
The 14-year-old me chortles.
I remember right wing media calling it a $400 haircut, but then it turned out the barber was paid that money because the candidate made use of his shop for the whole day for interviews, and he had no other customers.
I wonder if he even has a real home. I mean a lot of domestic expenses are business expenses according to those tax records.
James E Powell
They weren’t dumb or lazy. They were determined to publish negative stories about Hillary. Whether it was orders from their bosses or their own personal hatred of her, they were eager to smear her.
Clio’sFanBoy: my condolences. I hope you take comfort in how much you meant to your cat. That she waited for you to say goodbye says everything.
@CliosFanBoy: Awww. Condolences.
via Anne Laurie @ Top:
Why can’t he be both?
Given Donnie’s abysmal relationship with the national security community, I’d say unlikely, other than the possibility of an incompetently generated and clearly fake one ginned up by Jared or someone else in Donnie’s PR team.
@CliosFanBoy: You did good, which is why she wanted to say goodbye Sorry for your loss.
This isn’t really true, though. After he leaves he can easily make that money selling classified secrets to adversaries. :)
Which is the point, I know.
Oh, I’m so sorry. That goodbye brought a tear to my eye. RIP to your sweet kitty.
@Betty Cracker: That doesn’t particularly seem like a suicide attempt. Seems more like a hostage situation and domestic battery.
@CliosFanBoy: I am so sorry for your loss.
@Gin & Tonic:
And in alphabetical order….
Alert to the Mahler stans !
This Thursday night’s “Live from Carnegie Hall” (rebroadcast) will ne Michael Tilson-Thomas, the San Francisco Symphony, and an all Mahler program
9 EDT on WQXR.org.
And I hope everyone’s inscribed in the Book of Life for 5781 !
@Betty Cracker: Surely, he will be charged with domestic abuse, and have his firearms taken away…
AOC pays $250 to look fabulous.
Trump pays $70K to look… well…
That, my friends, is Exhibit A of what it is to have good genes. ;)
I expect this is it. They probably have a BAZILLION deep cover sources in the NYC real estate and finance world who despise Trump and are willing to dish on him. The NYT has been covering that beat for what….150 years?
@clay: echoing people in threads below, I also hope he gets the help he needs…so he’ll be fit to stand trial or at least testify for the prosecution.
Nagorno-Karabakh, man that takes me back…Madison Square Garden ’86, Pay Per View. Knockout in the 11th round. Easily one of the five best fights I ever saw.
LOLOLOLOL! It’s Florida and he’s a Florida man.
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@Captain C: Oh, it doesn’t have to be real. He can just pull out a toy Playskool phone, pretend to get a call, and say, “sorry, have to leave the debate, important Presidenting stuff.”
“And by the way, I win.”
I’m not so sure about that. Trump has basically cheated and sued every single partner and person he has ever been in real estate business with. There has to be a LOT of NYC real estate people who are still “butt hurt” about dealing with Trump and despise him. When you cheat on a real estate deal you aren’t cheating on some blue collar dude in a diner in Ohio, you are cheating another commercial real estate person on the other side of the deal.
@CliosFanBoy: I’m so sorry to hear about your kitty. I’m glad you were able to be with her at the end. May we all be so lucky, to be able to leave this world feeling the comforting touch and presence of someone who loves us.
James E Powell
Sorry for your loss. You did right by your friend.
Retweeted by Hillary.
@CliosFanBoy: so, so sorry.
So sorry to see that. It’s always tough to lose a pet you love. Sounds like she was happy she found you.
@CliosFanBoy: My condolences.
James E Powell
AOC is going to be trashed by right-wing media for her entire life. She is the embodiment of everything they hate.
@JPL: Don’t know if there will be a domestic abuse charge, but the cops took the guns according to the article. Thanks to the Parkland survivors, we actually did make some progress on gun control here, despite wingnut control of the state. There are red flag laws that might keep Parscale from getting his weapons back, at least right away. If his wife has any sense, she’s already stripped the place bare and fled to an undisclosed location.
@James E Powell: True. I hope I live long enough to hear their wailing and gnashing of teeth when she’s sworn in as president.
Reddit commenter on the Pascale story.
Is this worth a separate front page comment thread? I have to admit I haven’t read up on this and don’t know the issues. Is there an underlying Christian vs Muslim thing going on here? My vague understanding was that past conflicts were over Nagorno-Karabakh, which is essentially that region’s Kashmir. But I don’t know if there is anything new today.
@CliosFanBoy: I’m so sorry.
Many NYC reporters saw through Trump’s schtick and reported him as the bloviating conman that he is (see Pete Hamill: https://meaww.com/1989-jimmy-breslin-pete-hamill-v-donald-trump and Jimmy Breslin’s reporting on him: https://www.newsday.com/opinion/jimmy-breslin-s-columns-on-donald-trump-1.13288319) but also noted that the schtick worked on lazy reporters.
I also would suspect that many, if not all, commercial real estate people in NYC have contempt for Trump. I personally know of one incident involving redevelopment of a site upstate in the ’00s where Trump’s behavior was so comically disrespectful that there was no chance in hell anybody would enter a deal with him.
I know many of us are snake bit because of the perfect storm of 2016 but we got this. Here’s why.
Trump will retain his base of 38 to 42% of those who will vote this cycle. Nothing will shake them loose.
In 2016, there was some percentage of low information people who decided, why not give this “businessman” a shot, after all the country should be ran like a business. Now that they have seen the consequences of their roll of the dice, they won’t be making the same mistake again.
You had your third party dead enders some of whom figured Hillary had it in the bag and voted for Stein or Johnson or whoever. Some of them will still do the same (idiots) but some of them will be scared straight.
People 65+ went for Trump in 2016. This year they are polling in favor of Biden. Add to that, some percentage of them are dead and will not be voting this cycle. Add to that, people between the age of 18 and 22 will be voting in their first presidential election and the yoots are overwhelmingly anti-Trump.
Both sides are motivated. The MAGAts are flying their flags and having boat parades etc.. While there in not a similar cult for Joe, there is motivated base of people who are willing to crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump.
Hillary was a flawed candidate. Don’t get me wrong, she would have been an excellent president but she had been attacked for 25+ years by the right wing slime machine and that had enough of an effect on low information votes that there was just something about that woman that they did not trust.
Comey, enough said.
All of this adds up to a landslide for Biden/Harris.
We don’t get to relax but we can stop giving ourselves ulcers. Here is why we cannnot relax.
So, to summarize, there is still tremendous work to be done but do it joyfully and with optimism, not fear. My prayer is Joe does not want to try and heal the nation by letting this felon walk. Lock him up!
That’s quite a scoop for a local news station if the story is as they suggest it is.
So, those are his debts, what are his assets? What is the balance ? Can his income stream from his properties manage the debt. Would the sale of some of his assets be able to payoff the 1 billion ?
Probably not. If you figure in upcoming lawyers fees after the Justice department stops working for him he has some pretty big fees coming up. Not to mention court cases by the numerous angry ladies waiting in the wings
comrade scotts agenda of rage
As fellow animal nuts, we like to share in the joy as well as the sorrow of having these creatures in our lives for an ever so brief period. Losing them is never easy and it never gets easier. I know as humans we’re wired somehow to believe in an afterlife so I always imagine our pets are out there somewhere, either waiting for us or floating along supported by the love we gave them during their lifetime. And the loving memories we carry with us until we’re gone.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
It’s weird. It seems to be from the UK.
@clay: Yeah, more like a potential murder/suicide, his wife is lucky she’s still alive. This guy has probably always been violent and abusive, and he’s a big dude. Note that she didn’t call the cops when he beat her up, so that may not have been new. It may be that this was the first time he had escalated things this far and she was afraid he’d kill her. I don’t have much sympathy for him or anyone else who volunteers to be a Trump dignity wraith. It’s not like there weren’t plenty of prior examples to serve as a warning.
@Kay: We have to be careful about fake stories that later debunked as a way to discredit legitimate stories.
@CliosFanBoy: My condolences, so heartbreaking. Good that you could give her some comfort.
@Ken: Donnie, duck out of the debates? AND GIVE UP BEING ON TEEVEE IN FRONT OF LOTS OF PEOPLE?
Don’t think he has that in him.
The Ecuadorian embassy?
Here is info on that news outlet:
The Pope is throwing stones.
@germy: Thanks. I thought it was a local TV station in the US.
@CliosFanBoy: I just took my car to the vet for shots. Your story made me both very sad and grateful. Hang in there.
That’s what I thought at first, too.
UK media is a mystery to me, but they seem on the up and up. Not a Murdoch property or anything.
More and more Trump speaks in a kind of Right wing internet code. I don’t think it’s comprehensible to regular people. I think he’s likely to be baffling at the debate, like “WTF is he talking about?” – you have to have followed every single Right wing outrage, fake scandal and conspiracy theory since 2012 to know what he’s talking about.
Bless you for your kindness. She was lucky to find a good human.
Remember the reaction when John Edwards was caught paying $400 for a haircut?
Yeah, all these stories, usually about Democratic Party candidates spending big money on haircuts and such, are nonsense and cheap political potshots.
She should divorce him now while he still has money.
I apologize for being so transactional .
The flood of leaks continues.
This is my shocked, shocked face.
And you know they want to try it again this year.
@CliosFanBoy: So sorry . . . and thank you for taking good care of her.
@Baud: I think that’s UK Channel 4. I wonder whether the leak is out of Cambridge Analytica’s files.
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@dexwood: Not only did taxpayers pay for his golf. They paid him!
It’s 5:25 in UK right now. So we’ll know in a couple of hours.
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Not much, eh?
@Brachiator: As I recall, the subtext of the “conservative” reporting was that the Democratic candidate was an effeminate and vain fop who was out of touch with real American manly men.
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I’m not sure what the story is, exactly. I will keep an eye out for updates.
@CliosFanBoy: I am so sorry. You did good by her, and I hope that is some comfort.
In March 2018, an undercover investigation by Channel 4 News explored the campaign activities of Cambridge Analytica.
Angry Black Lady will let us know what she finds.
@James E Powell:
It’s not her politics, it’s her appearance. She’s good looking, and conservative men know they have no shot. They’re jealous some soy-boy-latte-sipping-hipster dude’s going to be dating her, and not them.
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
And a third of the media would flat-out ignore this and another third would applaud his boldness.
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WTF is up with that? I’m trying to think if I ever read a story about Cyrus Vance Jr where he came out looking good.
@germy: Interestingly, the question (on Fox and Friends) didn’t ask about how much was paid in taxes. It asked open-endedly about the size of the loans. Don Jr. changed the subject immediately. That is something they clearly want to avoid.
Journalists, please take note.
@Betty Cracker: The article suggests that her bruising was from a few days earlier. This was not just a one time incident, and she needs counseling, because she stays.
@germy: Yeah, saw that later on –my penalty for being late to the thread. So C4 does have some kind of contact with CA people. I presume the report will go into whether other groups got this strange “deterrence” designation.
Seems more likely that all this financial churn is money laundering. Nobody makes loans of that magnitude to an idiot loser just to watch the money burn. Mueller should have followed the money when it came to investigating connections with foreigners.
As I recall, there was a lot of video of Edwards endlessly preening in front of the camera that did not look good. It ended well, we got Obama in the White House not Edwards.
I’m not sure that “serious New York real estate people” hold Trump in contempt. He is one of their own.
That’s kinda how the New York real estate business works.
I don’t know. Trump always got favorable news coverage, always got invited to all the right upscale parties and charitable events.
So, while there are some claims that Trump is despised (based on some random searches on the topic:
Not surprisingly, few have gone on the record.
And even here you found a few friends and strong Trump supporters.
And of course, the Kushner family, including Young Jared, also made their pile in real estate.
That’s why all those lame-ass blogger types keep challenging her to debates and such. It’s pure petty harassment.
Ghost of Joe Liebling*s Dog
I’m so sorry.
@James E Powell: I remember when NY’s Attorney General Schneiderman made lots of noise about how many actions he was going to take against Trump, etc. But none of them ever seemed to happen.
Then it turned out that Schneiderman had serious skeletons in his closet — various exceedingly abusive relationships over the years. And it turned out that at least one of his victims had contacted Trump’s lawyers some time previously. Cohen was involved. And then people pointed out various tweets from Trump that were broad hints about what he knew about Schneiderman.
After Schneiderman resigned and someone else became NY AG, things really started to happen fast.
I get the same vibe from Vance. He needs to look like he is gung-ho about holding Trump accountable, but somehow he keeps letting delays happen without going for the jugular. There is no doubt in my mind that he’s compromised, as Schneiderman was.
Yeah, he was either corrupt, lazy or incompetent. Or all three, I suppose. Another GOP daddy who turns out to be a deadbeat.
@Chief Oshkosh: Isn’t the point of using the money laundry that you eventually get back something that looks legit? At some point I always figured he’s on the hook for scheduled remittances or “participations” or something in addition to formal loans, so he has to keep up the cash flow and is supposed to skim only as much as necessary to maintain the front.
I’m not sure that “serious New York real estate people” hold Trump in contempt. He is one of their own.
An attempt at response got thrown into moderation. Let’s see if I can distill the main point.
There is not a lot of on-the-record comment about Trump. He gets invited to the right parties and charitable events, so he is at least tolerated. But especially after he decided to run for president, a lot of silence:
@CliosFanBoy: You’re a good human. I am sorry for your loss, but I’m glad you found each other.
I guess. And there is always the lame attack that if rich political candidates really cared about the poor, they would give away all their money. But since Republicans want people to be rich, it’s OK for them to be greedy, exploitative plutocrats.
@Baud: I can’t find anything about it. United Kingdom station, it seems.
@prostratedragon:The money wasn’t laundered FOR Donny, it was laundered BY Donny.
Almost all business reporting on rich people is fluffy.
I’m looking for Attorney General Barr’s statement on tax evasion. Can anyone point me to the link?
@CliosFanBoy: When she found you she won a lifetime gift. Your words about her are beautiful. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Sooo…. GOP donors were paying down his Russian mob loans through opaque campaign slush funds?
….and maybe a sleazy campaign manager didn’t grok why pinching from those bags would be a problem.
A couple of attempts at response keep getting kicked into moderation. There was a 2016 story which specifically asked NY real estate people about Trump; 31 of 40 refused to respond.
Of the others, there was a split of pro- and anti-Trump sentiment.
But I note that he has always been invited to the right parties and charitable events with other moguls.
Exactly. That’s basically the entire point of many/most of his hotels in places like Panama. He is providing a money laundering service and taking a cut.
Still terrible reporting judgment. Since they probably had the same sources in 2016 and could not be bothered to stop reporting on Hillary’s emails.
@CliosFanBoy: So sorry!
@L85NJGT: So Brad pinched a wee bit too much and now the (russian) chickens are coming home to roost ? I’d be freaking out too.
@CliosFanBoy: I am so sorry. But you gave her a peaceful end, and that is a great gift.
Someone who can dance.
@CliosFanBoy: Sorry to hear this. I had to euthanize my favorite dog on the 14th, and I still cry every day.
from CNN business section:
Dow rallies more than 450 points on hopes for a stimulus package
I think, that is not happening anytime before january.
@Brachiator: This is the real scandal, and it won’t get a whisper of coverage. The games Trump played to avoid taxes are not unique to him. Neither party, nor the MSM, has any desire to point the spotlight at this.
@Chief Oshkosh: Yeah, that’s what I said, or at least meant. He is the launderer, and so is the one who has to make remittances of some kind to the customers; they’re paying dirty cash for cleaned-up-looking cash.
BTW, I totally agree with you here. But it is still noteworthy that there was never serious investigation by the NY Times or other supposed journalistic heavyweights.
But lots of coverage of his partying.
ETA: I was home sick now and again years ago when Trump got into a scrap with The View’s Rosie O’Donnell. She verbally slapped him down, but I remember Barbara Walters noting that Trump was her friend and asking O’Donnell to dial it down. I found it interesting that Trump clearly had friends among the NY Establishment, even among people who were supposedly liberals or moderates.
But from experience and observation, I’ve learned that money likes to hang out with other money, often without regard to political ideology.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
I have to say, $70,000 to look like that?!?! Apparently you can con a con man. Wouldn’t surprise me if that hairdresser has a higher net worth than DJT at this point.
@MagdaInBlack: I’m wondering also whether he got a heads-up on what looks like a Cambridge Analytica drop. They could be coming at him from all sides all of a sudden, and from what his wife has told the police it seems he’s about as insane as we thought he was at his best.
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Old story — king and his clothes.
Vanity of vanities, this too is chasing of the wind.
The most absurd thing about Trump is that if he had simply took his father’s $500 million bequest and dumped it into a plain Jane index fund he would be obscenely more wealthy today. The stock market threw off about 10%/year during that entire time. He could have pulled out 5% a year which would have been $25 MILLION per year and still would have tripled his money.
FWIW, Roger Stone had a part in the dribble-leaks-out tactic, fairly sure. The timing looked like his, or an acolyte’s.
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Speaking of looks, have you seen this recent AP picture of him?
There’s something seriously wrong with him, to intentionally look like that (compare the ‘skin tone’ of his face with his hands).
NB Newly installed AG Barr pulled this very stunt with his fabricated Meuller Report summary, which Serious People took to mean the Meuller Report had no harmful information pertaining to the president*.
Entertaining postscript. AG Barr suffered no consequences for his obvious lies.
“3. Install WH tire swing.”
There go two miscreants
@gene108: White House Press Secretary George Stephanapolus was grilled about this huge scandal the next couple of days.
Yet apparently he learned the wrong lessons from this!
Heard on BBC last night that Erik Prince is con$ulting with Chinese corporations on security measures for their Belt and Road projects in Africa and the Middle East. These bastards always land on their feet. I suppose that means his sister will become president of Yale or something after this gig dries up.
He has arrived at Oompa Loompa face.
Just One More Canuck
@CliosFanBoy: My condolences. That reminds me of our beloved Scully – I went out one morning and came home to see her in the garden in the same spot as she was in when I left. I went up to her and found that she couldn’t move her legs. She nuzzled my hand and purred for me but it was time (she was 17 and still the scourge of chipmunks in our neighbourhood)
We got Elsa the wondernut a few months later, but I still miss Scully
@Another Scott: trump sometimes reminds me of some alien lizard, with the force field that makes him appear human starting to wear down. If tomorrow night his face momentarily goes blurry and a 12″ forked tongue flicks out, I would not be too surprised.
@prostratedragon: I was wondering if Brad found himself about to be under- bussed.
good reason to delay any more appointments to SCOTUS and federal benches, since Kavanaugh is likely beholden to Russian Mobsters and should probably be impeached and removed from the bench (and tried for fraud and treason).
Not just him, my FB friends who like Trump talk like that too. Part of the time I don’t really know what they’re posting about. It’s like they belong to some kind of “secret society” or something. The problem for them is that no one else understands what the hell they’re talking about.
@Van Buren: My sympathy. I’ve done that.
My good, my noble, in their prime,
Who made this world the feast it was,
Who learned with me the lore of time,
Who loved this dwelling-place!
They took this valley for their toy,
They played with it in every mood;
A cell for prayer, a hall for joy,—
They treated Nature as they would.
–RW Emerson, from Concord, 1838
(For his deceased brothers)
Tears. She found her human and felt loved.
If you’re spending $70,000 on a hairstyle, the only reasonable explanation is that there is a trafficked child hiding in there.
@germy: I DO NOT LIKE this. Republicans’ help in winning the election is fine, but the transition team? They should get nothing.
Oh awesome. I’m going to check out the program.
@CliosFanBoy: I’m very sorry. :-( I’m glad you got to say goodbye to her at home, especially in these very trying times.
Remember the good times.
@Another Scott: Desperation to hide ? Overruling rational perspective.
@CliosFanBoy: Oh, what a sweet gesture she gave you at the end. What a fine kitty.
Someone on Twitter wondered if Parscale got a “target” letter, meaning he was the target of an FBI investigation, but it’s more likely he knew about the leak of information to Channel 4 in Britain.
Maintain his lifestyle on $25 mil a year? That would be self-denial to an absurd degree, for him.
In a twitter thread about the Cambridge Analytica (CA) leak, someone mentioned this article from 2016 about the Trump campaign marketing apparatus. (Turned out I’d bookmarked the thing back then.) In that article Bannon, Parscale et al. talk explicitly about which voters they wanted to suppress, which tactic was presented as an alternative to mobilizing efforts among White non-college graduates:
Examples of suppression operations in the article were such as targetted advertising to those three groups that featured lies or manipulated factoids about Hillary Clinton. At the time there was much ado about CA’s supposed use of genetic algorithms and the like to simulate the effects of their campaigns. The data that Channel 4 got might have been intended for that use since the techniques need big data, and that might account for the “deterrence” tag, to give something easily grabbed by a database query or turned into a parameter. It would be good to know what they were doing but not admitting to in that article by way of voter suppression, since we know that more active measures as from olden days are trying to take hold again.
CA folded up shop in 2018 and in typical fashion some of its principals scurried off to Emerdata where I think there is zero chance that they have mended their suppressing ways.
@Soprano2: Maybe he was the leak.
I’m trying to imagine what the Chinese actually have to learn about state security. I guess what Prince brings to the table is the mercenaries.
I figure the seal with the hairdresser is to bill $70k and give Trump back half in cash – so he gets the double deduction.
@MagdaInBlack: Yeah, it’s been suggested that he knew nothing that Jared didn’t. And we know what Jared thinks about people’s very lives, so, I mean, just their mere votes …
Got my first haircut in six months on Saturday, eighteen bucks with tip, and it doesn’t look like I have an orange-dyed dead possum on my head.
On the other hand, I suppose creating that whole artificial structure every day would be serious work. Plus being in close contact with such a diseased personality….
Bingo (IMHO). It’s plausible deniability for any…overzealous actions that if committed by PLA soldiers could be awkward. Plus he’s got his Saudi connections.
@prostratedragon: We agree, but sadly, I really have no idea what I’m talking about. ;)
Transition team is all about lining up appointees for the thousands of executive branch agency positions that will be opening up. And then doing what you can to manage a smooth transition of power within each agency.
I’m not sure what the wife of a former Senator has to offer other than perhaps a rolodex full of Republicans. I honestly suspect this is just for show and is really just performance art designed to affect/influence other prominent Republicans. But you are right. She has no business being on the actual transition team in any meaningful position.
I’m reading speculation the cops are framing a domestic abuse situation as a prevented suicide, because they know him or somesuch. Because Trump people are all lovely people that’s unthinkable.
@Matt McIrvin: Getting an honorary role on the transition team is pretty much bupkis. Whatever Cindy McCain is doing it’s not important.
Not sure who the other republican on the transition team is.
I think the obvious answer here is that she’s not in a meaningful position. The wife of a senator isn’t going to be helpful on the transition team no matter who she is, not in a real capacity.
What she can do is allay Republican fears and recommend liaisons to Republicans and that’s about it. Maybe she can have a say in “Senior Dumbfuck Republican Outreach Officer” or somesuch.
I would guess that also the Chinese have some concern for ethnic Chinese in those countries. Round eyed devils can be… useful.
@There go two miscreants: Stef wasn’t Press Secretary IIRC.
@Kent: if you have not read Michael Lewis’s “The Fifth Risk”, do.
all about the transition – and how Trump fucked it up — quel surprise.
@Chief Oshkosh: I’ve seen too many descriptions of money laundering that make it seem as if it ends with the overpaying for something, as if these people are happy to take their booty in white elephants. Those bucks are supposed to keep on their merry way.
So sorry to hear this. My condolences.
What he brings to the table, in addition to non-Chinese warm bodies attached to guns, is an understanding of western strategies and tactics and how to counter or defeat them.
I haven’t read that book but I’m pretty aware of how badly Trump fucked it up. I sometimes wonder how much more fucked we would be if a competent but equally vile Republican like Ted Cruz had won the election. A lot of the stupid shit that Trump does gets tossed out in the courts or goes nowhere because there is no follow-up
If Biden wins then the transition is going to be an absolute epic cluster fuck on the order of Saigon in 1975 as the Trumpistas loot and burn their way out of office.
Hey, does anyone know why Trump had that presser yesterday? Was it to get out in front of the tax story or was there some sort of announcement he wanted to make and the tax story was a blindsiding? I’m just curious why Giuliani and Christie were there.
@MisterForkbeard: Agree. C. McCain is not on the transition team, she has been named to the BOARD of the transition team. The transition (dog willing) will probably be nominally run by Harris with some killer ObamA veteran in charge.
PLUS. Cindy McCain? Arizona y’all?
If Biden ends up with a cabinet full of Republican daddies I’m going to have to apologize to every Bern-it-down Jill-Stein-loving dead-ender out there, and I don’t wanna do that.
@prostratedragon: overpayment is a classic and specific red flag in money laundering situations. E.g. +- you can legally pay for a car with cash if you have it. But if you pay over sticker (or even at) price, it would be a money laundering red flag.
You mean with some killer Obama/BIDEN Administration veteran in charge. One thing that Biden isn’t going to need outside help with is the transition. He probably knows as much about staffing up and running the executive branch as any person alive.
there is no sticker in real estate.
No, he didn’t, because he didn’t actually *give* to charity, which was the whole purpose of those events. He might have pushed his way in, but he wasn’t a contributor. Plus, have you ever seen him at the Met Ball or front row at Fashion Week? Vanky did a little better, but no one was putting her on the cover of Vogue. It’s not that NYC society doesn’t go for self-promoters and people of questionable moral compasses — hello, Sackler galleries and the Koch brothers’ support of the NYC Ballet! — but you actually need to put your money where your mouth is to be taken seriously. He doesn’t.
The coverage he got? All tabloids. The Archie Bunkers in the outer boroughs love the guy, but did you notice how few people in the City actually voted for him? Sick of his self-promoting ass.
And by the way, anyone remember this?
In June 2016, Crain’s New York Business got hold of his property tax bill somehow and discovered he was getting a middle-class property tax abatement for NYC homeowners. I’d gotten it myself when I lived there and owned an apartment; you get it automatically if you’re a homeowner and your taxable income is below a certain threshold. He huffed and puffed that this had to be a mistake, the mayor’s office said it had to be a mistake, and it all sort of went away, but I figured it was one more piece of evidence that he was broke.
Emma from FL
@Kay: Channel 4 is a public service channel in the UK. IIRC is where the Great British Bakeoff is televised. Why they would be doing that is…. interesting…. if it is them. https://www.channel4.com/
Only if you can pull them out of winnable Senate seats. I mean, I’d put Mitt Romney in charge of say….IDK, the UN if it meant that Dems could take a Senate seat in Utah. But that isn’t likely and I can’t think of any palatable Republican Senators in winnable states. So no, we don’t need any GOP Daddies
Pretty sure I’m not the first to point this out. ;-)
Sure there is. It’s called an appraisal. And if you pay seriously over or under the appraised value for a property it will raise red flags with the IRS.
No, my Camry does not have distemper, why?”
@Kent: IIRC, Adam has told us that the Chinese own/have a major stake in/control Prince’s company. So him working with them on “security” isn’t really a surprise.
(I haven’t re-read the post.)
@Kent: who pays the appraiser? I have heard of a similar thing in the bond rating agencies before 2008 (Plus it is the same way now).
@Emma from FL:
See comment #89
Now suppose 200,000 people fly. Every day. Somebody may be less numerically savvy than necessary.
“Says Airline Exec” was the red flag for me.
“Thing good” says man who profits from Thing.
I’d be okay with Pat Toomey as Ambassador to Ireland.
@CliosFanBoy: I’m so sorry. She waited for you to come to say goodbye. :: sobbing ::
Thank you for caring for her. You made her life better.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@CliosFanBoy: My sympathies. If it helps, she thought enough about you to say goodbye like that. Seems she was a good judge of people.
@Omnes Omnibus: True, that was Dee Dee Myers, however Wikipedia list GS as de facto Press Secretary in the first few months of Clinton’s first term.
@Matt McIrvin: You won’t have to apologize for any cabinet full of republicans. But the rose people will want you to apologize for the Democrats Biden puts in his cabinet.
James E Powell
The TV story is definitely worth watching. I do think that I saw a story about this targeting in social media to discourage voting a few years ago. Apparently the Democrats had nothing like it going their way.
Fair point. I did a quick search and see that in the old days Trump would turn up at Studio 54 a lot, but supposedly never danced.
I was never a Trump fan, or thought about him at all. But if I ran across an issue of Vanity Fair, I would notice his name among guests in the front page sections covering parties and events. Guest or someone who barged in, I couldn’t say. But nobody kicked him out. And as I noted, people who were clearly part of the Establishment would claim to be friends.
And I see stories now about him swooping into the Hamptons and picking up millions in campaign donations.
So I don’t know how plugged in he is or has been, but he’s got a few friends in that crowd.
And yeah, he probably used Ivanka to get on some invitation lists.
@CliosFanBoy: What a very touching story. For some reason, your recounting of your cat’s end of life story just brings tears to my eyes. Probably because I can see her going to your front steps for some affection from you, outside cat that she was. Thanks for being such a good person.
55 gal drums of pigmented auto body putty are not cheap.
@CliosFanBoy: Oh I am so sorry to read that, but that she knew and trusted you so well as to wait for you, and hoped for that last touch, means absolutely everything. Making me all misty. Caught this late, hope you see my condolences.
J R in WV
That’s pretty sad, but a well told story of her last days. I’m glad she had you to look out for her – she obviously cared for you and wanted to see you one last time. Thanks for sharing her last little bit of time with us. Tears!!
I’ve sat with several loved critters in their last moments, always a moving experience.
Take care, keep in touch!!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Ran across an interesting point; these rallies Trump does is a big part of his revenue. That would explain the Virus Denial from Trump because with out his rallies he is out of money.
A lot of the dumbdonnie story is international. Companies and people doing things that strike most of us as criminal activity and likely are, in more than just the US. He’s “invested” money (debt actually mostly I’d bet) in many parts of the world. His last place of money borrowing has been reported to be one branch of Deutsche Bank in Germany, that the USA devision wouldn’t deal with him. All sorts of rumor and innuendo that Vlad is paying him. It isn’t as simple as he is.
@Geminid: Someone in that Twitterverse just asked for everyone’s political hot takes and, boy, there are a lot of Uighur-genocide denialists out there in rose twitter land.
I am so, so sorry. At least she got to go in the company of someone who loved her dearly.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Seems not all that big of a source of revenue when he’s pulling in some pretty sparse crowds for a president. They’d have to be paying quite a bit per person and there have been rumors that he’s paying some to show up.
He seems to be rapidly getting down to having only flop sweat left, so much happening that is very not good for him all at once.
@CliosFanBoy: You’re a good human, and she knew that. I’m so glad she trusted you and wanted to be with you in her time of need, and you were able to be there for her.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Ruckus: That’s really not my point; Trump deliberately let all those people die just so he could raise a few hundred dollars on rally merch. The man is a Carny Side Show Hauker. It’s like Mega Church Pastors who refuse to stop service so they can make the payments on their private planes.
J R in WV
After catching Mueller’s congressional testimony very carefully, I wonder if he should have accepted that assignment at all.
He sounded like on older guy who is in deep denial that he has lost several steps, and needs to quit trying to do important stuff. Like hang out with the grandkids he doesn’t really know from working 60 hour weeks all his life.
Such a big opportunity, squandered by Robert Mueller, in my opinion.
No counter-intelligence investigation? Don’t bother protecting America from foreign enemies? OK, go home, let someone who cares do this job!!
J R in WV
I’m thinking Arizona is now just about in the bag, now when we get a begging email from politicians out there (We have contributed to quite a few AZ Dems!) half the money is destined for the DNC. Mark Kelly this morning. I hope and expect their delegation is nearly completely Democratic after the votes are counted.
@J R in WV: I’ve not doubt that Mueller was far too conservative in his handling of this matter. However, I do believe his ability to go after the Russia connections and the Trump money issues was placed off limits at the outset by Rod Rosenstein and then at the end he was betrayed by his supposed friend, William Barr, who obviously, upon assuming the AG office, proceeded to shut down the investigation post haste.
As Mueller is almost exactly my age, but not of my politics, I’m waiting to see if he will ever come out and speak publically. Of course, it does no good if he doesn’t do so in the next 30 days. He probably won’t do anything at all, which saddens me greatly. Another lesson learned by us lefties that placing faith in the supposed men of integrity in the Republican party is likely a fool’s errand.
@germy: He lumbered off. Leads his regime(nt) from behind …