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Laughing All The Way To The White House – Tonight 9pm ET

by WaterGirl|  October 20, 20208:27 pm| 165 Comments

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  1. 1.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 8:30 pm

    or, laugh at the pouty man making his way out of the White House.
    He’s going to dream of Fred tonight, and it won’t be a happy dream.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    October 20, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I can see why macho men like him.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I don’t usually watch him. Does he usually smile when he walks like that?

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: smirks, at least, makes his thumbs-up or pumps his wee fist

    trying to remember if I had any strong opinion on the thumps-up in between the second or third season of Happy Days (I thought The Fonz was cool) and 2016, but it grates on me now.

  5. 5.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    Do we know if there is going to be a debate on Thursday?

  6. 6.

    debbie

    October 20, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    “Sucks to be a loser, doesn’t it, Sir?”

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    October 20, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    Has this been discussed?

    Breaking: New NYT Trump taxes report.Trump's tax records show that Trump maintains a previously unknown bank account in China. The foreign accounts do not show up on Trump's public financial disclosures because they are held under corporate names. https://t.co/kU18ggxrDs— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 20, 2020

  8. 8.

    James E Powell

    October 20, 2020 at 8:48 pm

    I don’t know if this is the place to remark upon it, but I just saw the best Biden ad of the year in the middle of the 2nd inning of Game 1 of the World Series. Are any of you guys watching?

    If it weren’t for the fact that I am utterly devoid of normal human feelings, I’d be crying right now. I have to find the video of this and post it everywhere.

  9. 9.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    @WaterGirl

    As of (checks timepiece) 8:49 p.m. blog time, yes. 8:00 – 9:30 Thursday evening.

    Also, the commission behind the debates has announced that anyone in the limited audience given entry without a mask will be summarily ejected.

  10. 10.

    Baud

    October 20, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Not watching, but hopefully it’ll be on his Twitter soon.

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I have not seen that!

  12. 12.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    @James E Powell: This is an Open Thread, so I think you’re good.

    What was the ad?

  13. 13.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: So far, yes.
    Whether that continues to hold, who knows?

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 8:53 pm

    @James E Powell: two trump ads aired during the Hayes program, and they look like they’re made for that infamous Audience of One

    I hope we’ll have lost the need for the German word for that before we get it

  15. 15.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:53 pm

    @Baud: I haven’t seen any links on BJ to ads people are saying they have seen on sports games.

    Should I be checking Biden’s twitter?

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    @NotMax:

    Also, the commission behind the debates has announced that anyone in the limited audience given entry without a mask will be summarily ejected.

    Large cartoon springs underneath each chair, I hope? Or perhaps a vaudeville-esque cane coming from stage right.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    @dmsilev:  Both candidates and all debate-related staff should have to take independent COVID tests.

    I read that Biden thinks Trump “should have to take one”, but that’s bullshit.  The debate commission should require it.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Is anyone else planning to watch this event?

  19. 19.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Biden will listen to scientists

    Biden will listen to Fauci.
    and now….

    Josh Campbell @joshscampbell · 37m
    Trump tells a rally in Pennsylvania that politics will be boring if Joe Biden is elected President

    I’ve been skeptical of the “he wants to lose!” argument, but maybe….

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    14 days to go.  An estimated 14,000 emails asking for money.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 8:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He also said he’d have to leave the country if he lost, and that “you’ll never hear from me again”.

    I think after one or another of those, the Biden campaign retweeted the clip along with “I’m Joe Biden and I approve this message”…

  22. 22.

    Baud

    October 20, 2020 at 8:58 pm

    @WaterGirl: I don’t know.  I can’t imagine it’s not somewhere on the tubes.

  23. 23.

    jackmac

    October 20, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    Just finished with the Biden-Harris fundraiser featuring the cast of the Avengers movies plus the Russo brothers. The star of the show was Kamala, who  is a big fan and really knows her Avengers movies and cast.

    Other recent fundraising gatherings included the cast of Hamilton and a sprawling Star Trek event. Biden-Harris people really know what buttons to push (at least to get me and people like me interested).

    Two minutes to the Wisconsin comedy jam. Gotta go!

  24. 24.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    @WaterGirl: I am.  Thanks for the reminder.

    I really enjoyed the staged reading of “It Can’t Happen Here” the other night.

  25. 25.

    PPCLI

    October 20, 2020 at 9:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: They should absolutely have physicians there to do the test themselves. Then they should cut the swab in half, and test it for COVID-19.

    And then they should turn the other half over to Jean Carroll’s lawyers as a sample of Trump’s DNA.

  26. 26.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    @Baud: Since no one says what the ads were about, there’s no way to search.

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    @PPCLI:

    And then they should turn the other half over to Jean Carroll’s lawyers as a sample of Trump’s DNA.

    I am WaterGirl, and I approve of that plan.

  28. 28.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    I doubt one person in the throng picked up on the dismissive contempt he has for them, but maybe a few people watching the local news reports will

    Peter Nicholas @PeterAtlantic · 26m
    Pres. Trump, speaking in Erie, Pa at a rally tonight, says he wouldn’t have come to Erie if the pandemic hadn’t hit. “Before the plague came in, I had it made. I wasn’t coming to Erie. I have to be honest. There was no way I was coming. I didn’t have to…. We had this thing won

  29. 29.

    thalarctosMaritimus

    October 20, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I did, too. I guess I should have been prepared for a play about fascism coming to American being that dark, but I did not foresee that ending. (Can we talk about it, or is that bad form because of spoilers?)

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    @thalarctosMaritimus: 

    I’d be up for that. But not tonight. Watching the WisDems.

    We should find an online source for the Sinclair Lewis play. I was amazed how much some of it tracked Trump. Wondered if they’d updated the dialogue.

  31. 31.

    PPCLI

    October 20, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    I hope Biden finds a way to press Trump on this latest bit of horrifying inhumanity:

    The Feds are acknowledging that they have no idea how to find the parents of 545 children they separated at the border.

    Before a judge ordered them to stop, they had deported the parents without the children.

    This was an intentional policy, not an accident. That is what Trump is all about.

    Since Trump is sure to bring up Hunter over and over, the topic of parental love for children will be salient. A good moment to go on the attack, perhaps. Though I don’t understand the dynamics of this sort of debate, of what will and what won’t work in practice.

  32. 32.

    lamh36

    October 20, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Mary J Blige endorses Biden/Harris

    https://twitter.com/flywithkamala/status/1318718099542151174?s=20

  33. 33.

    CaseyL

    October 20, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    @thalarctosMaritimus: Well, I won’t mind if people want to discuss it. The play’s been around quite a long time, hasn’t it? – so I’m not sure spoilers are a thing. Like spoiling “Rebecca” or something :)

  34. 34.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    “You’re a doctor like Dr. Dre is a doctor.”  LOL.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    First joke that references the zoom hiccup yesterday.

  36. 36.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:14 pm

    Now retelling fairy tales as “Floridah Man” or “Floridah Woman” stories.

  37. 37.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:14 pm

    @WaterGirl:   Yeah, I loved that.

    And these guys are funny.  Whoever they are.  Fairy tales as Florida Woman.

  38. 38.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    The Sklar Brothers.  They were great.

    Asking people to donate cuz if Trump wins again, we won’t have an economy.  True.  Judd Apatow up now.

  39. 39.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 20, 2020 at 9:17 pm

    @PPCLI:

    The Feds are acknowledging that they have no idea how to find the parents of 545 children they separated at the border.

    Fucking oops!  G’damn monsters!

  40. 40.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: You can’t tell me they didn’t take DNA samples from everyone they deported.

  41. 41.

    James E Powell

    October 20, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Hard to describe. I think Sam Elliot is narrating. It’s the about the America that most of us struggle to believe can be real, but that people like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, & Joe Biden insist we must work to make real. It’s cheese, but it’s the kind of cheese you serve cherished guests.

  42. 42.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 20, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    I voted today. Got a sticker from the Board of Canvassers, now I want my B-J sticker.

    i voted sticker

  43. 43.

    James E Powell

    October 20, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    @dmsilev:

    14 days to go.  An estimated 14,000 emails asking for money.

    For some reason, Gary Peters stopped sending me four panicky emails a day asking for more money. I hope that is good news.

  44. 44.

    Karen

    October 20, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    I’m really scared. Can Barrett rule along with the Conservatives that no ballots should be counted after Election Day?

  45. 45.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You’re supposed to post that in the I Voted! thread to get your sticker, but you can have one here, too.  :-)

  46. 46.

    Ken

    October 20, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    @CaseyL: The play’s been around quite a long time, hasn’t it? – so I’m not sure spoilers are a thing. Like spoiling “Rebecca” or something :)

    I try to be careful, based on this principle.  For example, I’ve never read Rebecca or seen any of the movies.

  47. 47.

    thalarctosMaritimus

    October 20, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    @Elizabelle: I wondered that too! GMTA :)

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 20, 2020 at 9:25 pm

    @WaterGirl: How can I make that sticker stay in every comment I make here for the next two weeks?

  49. 49.

    Danielx

    October 20, 2020 at 9:25 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Walk This Way….not

  50. 50.

    M31

    October 20, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    @Ken:

    lol yeah my gf spoilered a 19th C novel I was reading saying “that’s the one with the crazy wife in the attic, right?”

  51. 51.

    Danielx

    October 20, 2020 at 9:28 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Didn’t see it but any ad narrated by Sam Elliot…best voice ever.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:28 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You could find a way to turn it into an emoji.

  53. 53.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 20, 2020 at 9:28 pm

    Anyway, it was in-person, at Town Hall. No line, in-out in a flash. Voting is just like on Election Day – check in, get your ballot, go fill in the little bubbles, put it through the scan machine. I was voter #500 in my little town; voting began last Wednesday. So about 100/day. We usually have somewhat fewer than 3,000 voters in all.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    October 20, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    @James E Powell:

    but that people like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, & Joe Biden insist we must work to make real.

    Wait, they actually used Hillary’s name??? They must be feeling mighty confident.

  55. 55.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    @James E Powell: Was it the one with the solders?  They were playing that yesterday during MNF

  56. 56.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 9:31 pm

    @James E Powell: found it, I think

    one of the trump ads I saw was titled, on screen, “Jobs vs Mobs”. You can imagine it makes for a quite a contrast. I can’t fathom what goes through “undecided” voters minds, how anyone could support trump for that matter, but I can’t imagine trump’s ad speaks to anyone who isn’t already on his side.

  57. 57.

    raven

    October 20, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    @Kent: They’ll need a soldering gun.

  58. 58.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 20, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    @WaterGirl: This is the best I can do ?️, not sure what it’ll look like for anyone.

  59. 59.

    Yutsano

    October 20, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    @James E Powell: Is this it?

  60. 60.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: As always, it’s all about him.  He thinks “boring” is a negative.  He’s still in reality TV mode.

  61. 61.

    PPCLI

    October 20, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Was it this one?

    (Sounds like Sam Waterston doing the voice-over.

    ETA: I saw a couple great unity and decency themed ads last night during Monday Night Football. No Trump ads during the time I was watching. I like this new “Pissed-off decent folks opening their wallets to decent candidates” trend. Let’s hope it continues.

  62. 62.

    lamh36

    October 20, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    @Danielx:

     

    @James E Powell:

     

    https://twitter.com/MediumBuying/status/1318716343311544320

  63. 63.

    Kattails

    October 20, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I don’t see it here yet, but had stopped off at the Hoarse Whisperer’s twitter feed after watching that wonderful John Prine tribute video below–anyway, he’s got a thread up on it, dated 25m. ago.  Looks very interesting. Dammit I was going to get some work done tonight.

  64. 64.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Well, until I enlarged it, it kind of looked like a cupcake with a candle.

    But you did light a candle for democracy, so that could work. :-)

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    This Mike Birbiglia guy is kind of fun.

  66. 66.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    @Gin & Tonic

    ?

    Or, ??

    :)

  67. 67.

    Danielx

    October 20, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    @lamh36:

    Yup, Sam Elliot.

  68. 68.

    Kattails

    October 20, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    Unusual, huge revenue spikes followed immediately by large withdrawals.  Is this info coming from the subpoena’d tax records? From Hoarse “smells April fresh. Someone is doing laundry.”

  69. 69.

    Mary G

    October 20, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    @dmsilev: I have been deleting and unsubscribing for hours and hours. Giving to people in WV for Cole and Kansas Dems means I hear from what feels like every Dem in the state. I somehow got on the mailing list for a guy running for city council in a town in Indiana somewhere, not one of the big ones. And all the organizations that I’ve never heard of before that send three a day in the ugliest shades from that chart of 32 allowed for use on the Internet 185 years ago.

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    @PPCLI:  The YouTube says:

    NOT SAM ELLIOT, guy named Rick Lance, Elliott sound alike.

  71. 71.

    lamh36

    October 20, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    Confirmed…it’s Sam Elliot!

     

    https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/1318719921631727617?s=20

  72. 72.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    @Mary G

    Reason #1 why to create and use a separate dedicated ‘used for elections only’ e-mail account.

  73. 73.

    James E Powell

    October 20, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    @Baud: 

    Those were my words, not the ads.

  74. 74.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 20, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The best part, of course, is that Biden has always been up at least 5% over this idiot

    Even the “I’d win easy” stuff is a lie.

  75. 75.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    NEWS: Trump's campaign committee expected to report only **~$63 million** entering Oct.That's about half of what it had entering Sept.RNC $78.1mTrump Victory $90.3mT-MAGA $20.1m.Total between 4 entities previously announced as $251.4 million.https://t.co/f6kESRNtmh— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) October 20, 2020

    Guess the looting of the campaign accounts has been going well.

  76. 76.

    lamh36

    October 20, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    SMH…do MAGA-ites even realize or care that they are being insulted…smh

    @PeterAtlantic

    Pres. Trump, speaking in Erie, Pa at a rally tonight, says he wouldn’t have come to Erie if the pandemic hadn’t hit. “Before the plague came in, I had it made. I wasn’t coming to Erie. I have to be honest. There was no way I was coming. I didn’t have to…. We had this thing won”

    https://twitter.com/PeterAtlantic/status/1318712168519553031?s=20

  77. 77.

    James E Powell

    October 20, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    @PPCLI:

    That’s it. “There is so much we can do if we choose to take on problems and not each other.”

    Not gonna lie. I struggle with doing that.

    ETA – Sam Elliot & the ad are now trending on twitter & I’m acting like one of the staff on VEEP.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    October 20, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    @James E Powell:

    That makes more sense.  It’s a nice ad.

  79. 79.

    Mary G

    October 20, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    @James E Powell: I’ve been muting commercials during the game (so happy Kershaw is having a great big game), but I just watched it about five times. It is a weeper. The piano lesson version of the anthem is killer.

    Crap. Now the Rays get a homer. I jinxed you, sorry Clayton.

  80. 80.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Rachel Maddow did a segment on it. She mentioned some 2017* cash flow that I didn’t see in a quick skim of the NYT story.

    * added for clarity

  81. 81.

    dmsilev

    October 20, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    @Mary G: At this point, I’ve given up unsubscribing and instead just do mass deletes a few times a day.

  82. 82.

    zhena gogolia

    October 20, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    @M31:

    Oh, gee, I wonder what novel that was? :)

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    Seth McFarlane is great.  Never thought that before.  (“We Saw Your Boobs.”}

  84. 84.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    Mandy and Katharine!!

  85. 85.

    zhena gogolia

    October 20, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Biden campaign just debuted this new ad "Go From There," during Game 1 of the World Series, narrated by Sam Elliott pic.twitter.com/9N6GJdsly2— Johnny Verhovek (@JTHVerhovek) October 21, 2020

  86. 86.

    zhena gogolia

    October 20, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    @Baud:

    Well, maybe it’s not the one I just posted, because that only mentions Biden.

  87. 87.

    Yutsano

    October 20, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    @PPCLI: @lamh36:  Heh. Us jackals are something eh?

    Jesu Christe! 11% of the ballots returned and 74% are from Democrats in Pennsylvania? What is bigger than a tsunami for $1000 Alex?

  88. 88.

    PPCLI

    October 20, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    @PPCLI: Ooops. Sam Elliot

  89. 89.

    Lapassionara

    October 20, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @Karen: I don’t see how. The Supreme Court is the court of last resort, with some exceptions that should not apply here. A case would have to start in a state, and make its way up the normal way, either through the state court or the federal courts. Most elections are governed by state law, which is why we saw the Florida election in 2000 go to the state Supreme Court first, then by some very tricky reasoning, to the federal Supreme Court.

    nothing is impossible with this group of Trumpkins, but I do not see how they get to the Supremes without going somewhere else first.

  90. 90.

    Ken

    October 20, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    @Yutsano: 11% of the ballots returned and 74% are from Democrats

    Impossible. That leaves only 26% for the crazification factor.

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    They have already raised nearly 500,000 with this Laughing All the Way to the White House comedy thing.

  92. 92.

    Mary G

    October 20, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    @James E Powell: About the ad:

    I want his voice in my coffee— Myself mostly (@BigBryC) October 21, 2020

  93. 93.

    mad citizen

    October 20, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    @Yutsano: Not sure where Koracki gets his numbers from, but they appear to be behing this site I’ve been going to: https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

    I haven’t read their details but it seems like they are tracking things pretty closely–updated all the time.  They now are showing 37 million early votes.  Their percentages for PA not as extreme as Kornacki’s

    Meanwhile 331,000 or so are watching Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on a gaming platform called Twitch. (My first time typing her name out.  She told the gamers they could call her AOC.  Mike Pence cannot.)

  94. 94.

    Ken

    October 20, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s fascinating to imagine how the Republicans will pivot to arguing that Citizens United needs to be reversed.

  95. 95.

    Barbara

    October 20, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    @lamh36: A lot of people living in Erie also wish they were somewhere else, but I guess Trump was supposed to make things better. Oh well.

  96. 96.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    Can’t help but derisively snort at her complaint against having debates.

    “The President gets attacked and moderators interrupt, saying: let me tell you the facts of this,” McDaniel said.

    Oh, those pesky facts. How dare anyone bring those up?

  97. 97.

    Yutsano

    October 20, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    @mad citizen: The way the votes are coming in the numbers could have been out of date by the time of broadcast. This election will be lit.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    @Ken: Why would they do that?  Citizens United is about big money contributions.  What we’re doing is a bunch of small contributions.

  99. 99.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    Can anyone who is watching this Wis*Dems thing tell me what this bit it about?  I don’t get it at all.

  100. 100.

    mad citizen

    October 20, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    @Yutsano: Certainly Texas is heading for some HUGE numbers.  They have hit 50% or so of the 2016 numbers.  I know each state/county runs the elections, but it might be cool to have some national standards, and an election season that is the same 3-4 weeks everywhere.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom ·31m
    Hilariously, the Trump campaign has been insisting that the last debate be focused only on foreign policy. Great. Joe Biden should begin with “explain why you paid more taxes in China than America,” and then let Trump talk for 90 minutes.

    My guess is Trump bails on this one.

    the fact that trump wants to debate foreign policy is just more evidence, to my admittedly biased-in-six-different-ways eyes, that he is only getting advice from his own dex-and-adderall addled brain

  102. 102.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    @Karen: Where does this come from?

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @mad citizen: I’m not that familiar with Erica Greider, but I don’t believe she’s a wish-casting liberal

    EricaGrieder @EricaGrieder ·2h
    That would be…if it gets to that level, that’s not good for Trump!

    Keir Murray @houtopia · 2h
    Just read email from Derek Ryan, respected TX GOP data expert, who now believes TX turnout will exceed 12 million. #txlege

    I deleted the bug-eyes emoji this guy put in his tweet, but that’s a hashtag that would make Molly Ivins smile

  104. 104.

    piratedan

    October 20, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: its because he thinks be can go 90 ninutes on hunter biden and ukraine and thats it….

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    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    This guy is funny but I don’t know who he is.  I am so uncool.

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    Sebastian

    October 20, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    They have the kids.

    The issue is probably the parents are who-knows-where with no money and no way to contact them or for them to search for their kids.

  107. 107.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 20, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    @mad citizen: 3-4 week election season? Why can other countries run elections in one day and produce results in less than 24 hours?

    I’ve mentioned before, my son was an OSCE-accredited observer of elections in Ukraine twice. Voter turnout is typically over 60%, there is no early voting, in 2019 there were 30-something Presidential candidates. In no polling place he visited did he observe a wait of more than 10 minutes. Results were published within hours. They have 30 years’ experience with this, not 250, yet can run circles around the US. Why is that?

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @Sebastian: Right, but couldn’t parents go somewhere and register in some way to say their children were taken, and match up the parents and the kids with DNA?

  109. 109.

    Quinerly

    October 20, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    Sounds like Trump was really nuts tonight at the PA rally tonight. Spent a portion of the rally babbling about the time John Kerry fell off his bike years ago. I took a peek at Daniel Dale’s Twitter feed.

  110. 110.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 20, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: One thing that’s different in the United States from most countries is that we just have more things to vote for. Ballots can be extremely complex, especially in places with lots of elected judges or lots of ballot initatives. In many countries, especially if they’ve got parliamentary systems, in the general election you’re basically voting for a party and that’s it.

  111. 111.

    Mary G

    October 20, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    @Ken:

    @WaterGirl: Susie Collins pitched a fit when ActBlue took in $3+ million after her Kavanaugh vote for whoever her opponent turned out to be. Screamed about dark money, criminal bribery and all kinds of hinting at a sinister Soros conspiracy without saying his name. Republicans being bad at math, didn’t take into consideration billionaires are rare and there are a lot of us.

  112. 112.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    @WaterGirl: Where?  They are refugees.  Are they just across the border?  Were they forced to return to their countries of origin?  Are they in Canada?  We would have to go to where they are because it is very likely that they do not have the means to come to one or even a few places.

    That being said, this really is one of the first things that a Biden Admin should do.  We can’t erase the crimes, but we sure as fuck can try to make sure that we end them.

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @Mary G:  I had forgotten about that.  thanks.

  114. 114.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    @mad citizen: 3-4 week election season? Why can other countries run elections in one day and produce results in less than 24 hours?

    I’ve mentioned before, my son was an OSCE-accredited observer of elections in Ukraine twice. Voter turnout is typically over 60%, there is no early voting, in 2019 there were 30-something Presidential candidates. In no polling place he visited did he observe a wait of more than 10 minutes. Results were published within hours. They have 30 years’ experience with this, not 250, yet can run circles around the US. Why is that?

    Election chaos is a feature not a bug.  When you have one party that wants to obstruct free and fair voting, that’s what you get.  Every bit of election chaos you see in the US is intentional.

    Here in WA, voting is ridiculously easy, as in OR.

  115. 115.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Mary G:  did she, now?

    — Kenneth Griffin of Citadel and Stephen Schwarzman of Blackstone Group Inc. have written big checks to help Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine in her tough battle for re-election.
    The two billionaires each gave $500,000 to the 1820 PAC in the third quarter, according to its latest filing with the Federal Election Commission. The super PAC raised $4.4 million, spent $4.6 million and ended September with $1.4 million cash on hand.
    Other big donors include Las Vegas Golden Knights owner William Foley, investment banker Warren Stephens and Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, who each gave $250,000.

    this story is a couple weeks old, there’s a story on twitter that Schwarzman is up to $2M but I don’t see it from any outlet I recognize

  116. 116.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Kent: No, Matt McIrvin is right.  We vote for everything.  It is a hangover from our past.  Didn’t like hereditary political positions?  Elect ’em.  Hell, some military units up into the Civil War elected their officers.  In a parliamentary system, you frequently only need to vote for your member of parliament.  It’s a lot easier.

  117. 117.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Kent:

    Every bit of election chaos you see in the US is intentional.

    I think New York State might be an exception–a lot of it there seems like honest incompetence.

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    They spent more than they took in and ended up in the black?

    Talk about voodoo economics.

  119. 119.

    mad citizen

    October 20, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I see your points, but America is the greatest nation on this earth, so we must doing it the best way (just kidding, of course)

    Slightly on topic, I watched the start of our gubernatorial debate tonight–the one minute statements from the three candidates (Indiana–the R incumbent is cruising to his 2nd term).  The Libertarian guy said the government is not the solution to ANY of our problems; it only needs to give us the information to make decisions.  He invoked Reagan saying the government IS the problem.

  120. 120.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 20, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The reason why they want foreign policy is just so Trump can scream “Hunter Biden! Ukraine! Crime!” over and over again. It’s sad, because it’s like he doesn’t think Biden has thought of this and won’t have a plan.

  121. 121.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:I think New York State might be an exception–a lot of it there seems like honest incompetence.

    No, it’s intentional too.  The legislature has known for decades what the problems are.  But would rather deal with the devil they know than make things super easy and have to face unpredictable new voters.  New York has had many election reform measures in the legislature over the years and has chosen not to pass and implement them.  I call that intentional

    It’s not like New York has tried it’s very best and just wound up with chaos.  They haven’t actually tried.

  122. 122.

    Mary G

    October 20, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: What a shame she’s probably still going to lose. Gideon smoked her in their debate. Whining isn’t attractive.

  123. 123.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:@Kent: No, Matt McIrvin is right.  We vote for everything.  It is a hangover from our past.  Didn’t like hereditary political positions?  Elect ’em.  Hell, some military units up into the Civil War elected their officers.  In a parliamentary system, you frequently only need to vote for your member of parliament.  It’s a lot easier.

    Yes, but election chaos isn’t caused by long ballots.  It’s caused by other things.

    Take Texas which I know intimately having lived there for over a decade.  You have polling places in minority precincts that only have a small handful of voting machines and hence, long long multi-hour lines.  This is intentional because they have chosen to use touch screen machines that are not scalable.

    They could easily use optical scan ballots and pass them out as fast as people can walk into the precinct and sign the register.  And then just scan them into the machine as they leave.  People could pack in, sit on the floors, sit in the halls, do what ever to fill out their ballot if the booths are full.   Instead of 3 voters at a time monopolizing touch screen machines, they could have 50 people voting at a time and handle 25x more traffic.

    They know this and still do it in the most fucked up and un-scalable way because they know it makes things harder.

    By contrast, the rural and white suburban precincts always have plenty of machines so no lines.

    Most of the country has very ordinary voting with no hassles despite long ballots.  The fuckery you see with 10 hour lines and such is not due to long ballots.  It’s intentional.

  124. 124.

    Redshift

    October 20, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: And China, too! The wingnut-o-sphere is all over the idea that Biden will sell us out to China in some way they can’t explain, probably because his preference for diplomacy over racial slurs means he’s not “tough” on them.

  125. 125.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @MisterForkbeard

    “Biden already has a program ready to begin on January 21st selling ISIS and MS-13 cut-rate timeshares in every suburban neighborhood in America!”

    //

  126. 126.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @Kent: Every place isn’t Texas.  The nature of US elections make it so that even places that want to be effective and efficient will take longer to vote than places with a parliamentary system.  Not everything comes down to malice.

  127. 127.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 20, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Kent:

    They could easily use optical scan ballots

    And to be even more complete, those optical-scan ballots don’t need to be “fill in the tiny oval” ballots.  Here in California, we do it with “complete the middle of the big-ass arrow” (like, 3in long).  It’s hard to fuck up.  And sure, b/c we have a massive number of initiatives and offices to vote for, the ballot can be long. But it’s every 2 years, and it’s only paper.  And yeah, it’s much, much more scalable than voting machines.

  128. 128.

    Jay

    October 20, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    People working hard,……

    welp, a Skrewdriving-loving, Richard Spencer-quoting Nazi named Joseph Mercurio is being investigated by the Marines after being exposed last night by @chick_in_kiev and that is some gooooood antifascism ❤️?✊ https://t.co/SSZUOex7Vi— AntiFash Gorgon (@AntiFashGordon) October 21, 2020

  129. 129.

    RedDirtGirl

    October 20, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    The Wisconsin Democratic Party has had the best fundraising events. I watched their Parks & Rec reunion, and their VEEP reunion. Does anyone know how it is that this particular state party has access to such great talent? Is WI a super important state in the presidential election?

  130. 130.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 20, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    ‘They’re turned off by him’: Trump in trouble as Florida’s seniors shift towards Biden'#TrumpHatesSeniorshttps://t.co/QO1vBISqdy— Voice of Reason (@raggapegs) October 21, 2020

  131. 131.

    Danielx

    October 20, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    True, but heinous fuckery is definitely walking abroad on the earth and up and down in it.

  132. 132.

    khead

    October 20, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @RedDirtGirl: 

    Poor Chachi is blowing a Trumpian gasket on Twitter.

  133. 133.

    stacib

    October 20, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I also voted today, and so did my 89-year old mother.  I had to try for two days before the line was manageable.

  134. 134.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @RedDirtGirl: Ben Wikler is doing a great job.  WI got the Princess Bride thing because Cary Elwes had a friend in WI who casually threw the idea out there and he more or less ran with it.

  135. 135.

    Danielx

    October 20, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @Jay:

    big chicken dinner on the menu…

  136. 136.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:@Kent: Every place isn’t Texas.  The nature of US elections make it so that even places that want to be effective and efficient will take longer to vote than places with a parliamentary system.  Not everything comes down to malice.

    Go ahead, show me an example of one of those 6-hour long voting lines that happen every year across the country that doesn’t have some element of GOP malice to it. Either in the design of the voting system, deliberate limits on number of hours and days of early voting, deliberate consolidation of precincts, deliberate restriction on absentee ballots, and so forth.

    I’m not talking about ordinary 20 minute lines when it is crowded.  I’m talking about the true fuckery where it takes hours and hours.

  137. 137.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 20, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @zhena gogolia: This should be a major scandal but it’s not.  The Trump swamp has exhausted us.  A blue tsunami will wash it out of the White House.

  138. 138.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Another thing that hurts the US is the fact the we have been doing this for a while.  Our system has grown out of the various colonies’ systems with new territories experimenting with new things and then a layer of federal standardization on top.  If we tried to impose a new logical system from the top down, every state would shit a brick.  WA and OR would explain how failing to adopt their exact vote by mail systems was dooming the system from the get go and TX would argue that too many illegal Mexicans could vote under the new lax system.

    By contrast, a new democracy has a good chance of getting the system to work because no one is attached to an old one.

  139. 139.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 20, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    @Yutsano: What is bigger than a tsunami for $1000 Alex?

    A blunami.

  140. 140.

    LurkerNoLonger

    October 20, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @Kent: What are some of the reforms that could make voting easier in New York? I live in New York, so I’m curious.

  141. 141.

    Redshift

    October 20, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    @Kent:

    They could easily use optical scan ballots and pass them out as fast as people can walk into the precinct and sign the register. 

    We had a terrible time here in Virginia convincing our Democrats to switch to paper ballots from touch screen machines (and mechanical machines before that, I think.) Part of it was just people not wanting change when the familiar seemed to be working okay. We were advocating based on verifiability, we didn’t realize until we won that it would be so much faster, or we would have made that argument. Since then we’ve hardly ever had a line even out the front door of the school where my polling place is.

    But the places that have persistent hours-long lines? Yeah, that’s all deliberate voter suppression.

  142. 142.

    Kattails

    October 20, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    New Meidas Touch quick video “tune in this Sunday for a special edition of 45 minutes”. Snicker.

  143. 143.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 20, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @Kent:  And it seemed to me that G&T was asking the question I was answering.  Our shit takes a long time and a lot of work at the back end by election workers and that’s why official results take a long time to come out.

    I agree that fuckery is quite likely to be in the mix when there are long lines.  I voted in Ohio in 2004; I’ve seen it happen.

  144. 144.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 20, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    GLAAD pushed back against Tiffany Trump's assertion that her father has been a friend to the LGBTQ community by sharing a link to its Trump Accountability Project. According to the project, the Trump admin. has made 181 "attacks" on LGBTQ people so far. https://t.co/XPgbYzfAL3— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 21, 2020

  145. 145.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 11:33 pm

    @LurkerNoLonger:

    @Kent: What are some of the reforms that could make voting easier in New York? I live in New York, so I’m curious.

    1.  Early voting.   NY finally passed early voting in 2019 which is ridiculous that it took them that long.  But 8 days is still inadequate.  And so are the hours.  Look at the hours for NYC https://vote.nyc/page/early-voting-information They cut off in early afternoon on many days and only have the early voting locations open for 6-7 hours per day.  Even TX does better than that.  Waco has early voting locations 12 hours a day for 3 whole weeks basically 8 am to 8 pm every weekday with slightly shorter hours on weekends.   Many states have early voting precinct locations available for 3 weeks more.  I think in NJ you can start in late Sept.
    2. Same day voter registration.  NY cuts of voter registration 4 weeks before the election.  Here in WA we can register online up until the week before the election.  21 states have same-day voter registration.

    But it is a lot better than it used to be.  It was ridiculous that NY didn’t have early voting before last year.  And stuck with those old machines for so long.

  146. 146.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 20, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    @Redshift: The first election I ever voted in was the 1988 Virginia Democratic primary, which happened while I was at home on spring break. I remember that one actually used an electronic voting machine–it was a predecessor of touchscreen machines, which had a membrane touch panel with the candidates’ names printed on a paper cover, and red LEDs next to the names that lit up when you pressed them. Very 1980s technology.

    (I’d missed the previous couple of years’ elections despite being eligible, because I was at college, didn’t think I could register locally, and hadn’t bothered to figure out how to request an absentee ballot. To be fair, this was slightly harder to manage before the Internet; there was probably a request form you could pick up at the post office or something; I don’t remember.)

  147. 147.

    Kent

    October 20, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @Redshift:

    We had a terrible time here in Virginia convincing our Democrats to switch to paper ballots from touch screen machines (and mechanical machines before that, I think.) Part of it was just people not wanting change when the familiar seemed to be working okay. We were advocating based on verifiability, we didn’t realize until we won that it would be so much faster, or we would have made that argument. Since then we’ve hardly ever had a line even out the front door of the school where my polling place is.

    But the places that have persistent hours-long lines? Yeah, that’s all deliberate voter suppression.

    One advantage of touch screen machines over optical scan paper ballots is that you can load many multiple ballots into the machine.  So, for example, when I voted in Waco TX I could go to the main central county early voting location at the convention center and based on my address and registration it would pull up the appropriate ballot for me with all my local school board and levies and correct county commissioners and such.  With 15 different school districts in the county and a bazillion overlapping county and city boundaries you would have a blizzard of different paper ballots to keep track of at one central location.   So you would probably have to have early voting precinct by precinct and wouldn’t be able to have so many early voting hours.   If you do paper ballot early voting at centralized locations you need to be really fussy about ballot management to make sure people get the correct ballot and that you have all of them.  But those problems are manageable.

  148. 148.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 20, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Maybe they only had to check one box.

    In many parliamentary systems, votes are cast not for a specific candidate but for a party, which is assigned a specific line on the ballot. The party fills whatever seats it is awarded (based on its proportion of the total vote) from a previously issued list of candidates, in descending order from the top.

    I brought home a poster from the Czech parliamentary elections of July 1990**, promoting the candidates of Civic Forum (Občanské fórum or OF) in the Prague region (kraj Praha). It shows all 25 OF candidates in descending order, each with a small mugshot, name and occupation. And more prominently, the number 7, which was OF’s ballot line: You checked line 7, you were voting for that list, in descending order. (No ticket-splitting allowed!)

    That’s all the voter needed to know, or do. Not like the Baltimore City mail-in ballot I filled out on Sunday, with separate lines for President & Vice President, U.S. Representative, Mayor, President of the City Council, Comptroller, City Councilperson, Judges, and roughly a dozen Statewide and City-specific questions. Even after I’d done the research on the questions, it took me about 15 minutes to very carefully fill it out, sign & seal it for drop-off.

    **I also have a button from that visit, with a white background with a black “10” & a red circle & cross through it & one word: Níkdy! (“Never!”) As it happened, ballot line 10 was allotted to the Communist party (now calling themselves Socialists). Hah. It had been only 9 months since the Velvet Revolution, & passions still ran high…)

    I blew into town on Monday, the election was Friday, & the whole city was celebrating the first free elections in 47 years. Helluva time to be there.

    ETA: What Matt McIrvin said much more succinctly (but without the historical details) at #110 supra.

  149. 149.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 20, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    Judd Apatow @JuddApatow
    Rep . @AdamSchiff  attempts humor in this video we made for http://Iwillvote.com. They have all tools and information you need to register and vote. Link in bio.

  150. 150.

    Sebastian

    October 20, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Ultimately that is what we’ll need. An agency or department dealing with just that.

  151. 151.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    @Matt McIrvin

    Yet there was something viscerally satisfying upon hearing that affirmative thunk when one slid the lever over to simultaneously close the curtain and activate the levers on the old behemoth mechanical units.

  152. 152.

    Ivan X

    October 21, 2020 at 12:01 am

    @Kent: I loved those old machines. KLUNK-SLIDE-KLUNK

  153. 153.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 21, 2020 at 12:03 am

    @Kattails: New Meidas Touch quick video “tune in this Sunday for a special edition of 45 minutes”. Snicker.

    Brutally brilliant or brilliantly brutal? Opinions differ… :^D

  154. 154.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 21, 2020 at 12:07 am

    @NotMax: Return with us now to those thrilling days of yestervote, with the Running Count and the Protected Count. (And all the No-Counts on the Republican row…)

  155. 155.

    NotMax

    October 21, 2020 at 12:31 am

    @Uncle Cosmo

    A short summation: How Americans Have Voted Through History: From Voices to Screens.

  156. 156.

    Sebastian

    October 21, 2020 at 12:58 am

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    You are looking for

    Tectonic Shift. 

  157. 157.

    Sally

    October 21, 2020 at 2:26 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I have always thought that foreign policy is Bidens strongest subject.

  158. 158.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 21, 2020 at 6:33 am

    @NotMax: I only ever used a mechanical lever machine once, in a student government election in high school–they brought in a couple of them, I think with the intention of getting us accustomed to using them. But they were already getting obsolete.

    A lot of people seem to have an an affection for them, but it’s worth noting that they didn’t work very well and just failed to register a lot of votes.

  159. 159.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 21, 2020 at 6:44 am

    @NotMax:  (Since I voted in the 1988 primary, I’ve never found a single reference to the screenless electronic machine I used then; they seem to be a forgotten footnote in history. Using it was a little like dialing in the cooking time on a microwave oven.)

  160. 160.

    NotMax

    October 21, 2020 at 9:24 am

    @Matt McIrvin

    Could it have been the Microvote machine shown at the bottom of the examples on this page?

  161. 161.

    Mikki Senn

    October 21, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @Karen: It is up to the states to run elections.  They really don’t have standing on this.

  162. 162.

    Mikki Senn

    October 21, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @Karen: Running elections is up to each state.  They really don’t have standing.

  163. 163.

    WaterGirl

    October 21, 2020 at 11:34 am

    @Mikki Senn: A person’s first comment has to be manually approved before any of their comments will show up.  So your comments didn’t show up until I approved them.  Future comments should go through right away.

  164. 164.

    David ?Booooooo? Koch

    October 21, 2020 at 2:52 pm

    ?

  165. 165.

    No One You Know

    October 21, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @WaterGirl:  You would think Ancestry.com or one of their competitors would get all over this, just for the PR and publicity.

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