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Late Night Open Thread: Perspectives

by Anne Laurie|  October 23, 202011:37 pm| 104 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, #notintendedtobeafactualstatement

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Today Jeffrey Toobin is very happy Rudy Giuliani exists in the world.

— John Scalzi (@scalzi) October 21, 2020

not sure what they were expecting here, this sounds like a perfectly accurate simulation of John Roberts’ tenure as Chief Justice. https://t.co/XzpfdJvlii

— Zoomcock Archivist (@canderaid) October 19, 2020

Starting to see why imperial China decided to roll with eunuchs.

— Starfish Who Just Wants To Grill (@IRHotTakes) October 21, 2020

Look, first of all, the moon didn’t even know NASA’s camera was on. https://t.co/TPprM6yKUH

— Sam Bergman (@violanorth) October 21, 2020

Normie international-relations professor:

Today’s Twitter diversion is brought to you by PANTS. Feeling like you might be interacting with others in a professional capacity? Try pants!! You’ll never regret them!

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) October 19, 2020

Professional libertarian, Mr. Megan McArgleBargle:

For as little as $800 an hour, clients can benefit from years of accumulated wisdom and strategic insight through my new consultancy, Don’t Take Your Pants Off While on a Zoom Call, LLC.

— Peter Suderman (@petersuderman) October 19, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 23, 2020 at 11:41 pm

    Odds are good that Suderman will get some offers for his services in this capacity.

  2. 2.

    Peale

    October 23, 2020 at 11:45 pm

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/trump-quietly-closed-u-vaccine-203303743.html

    there is no plan to have a safe vaccine. Trudeau, if you’re listening, please let us borrow your health department.

  3. 3.

    Soprano2

    October 23, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    @Peale:  Is there anything about pandemic response Trump hasn’t completely fucked up? He can’t be gone soon enough.

  4. 4.

    Benw

    October 23, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    For those who want to think a little more out-of-the-box, may I enroll you in a $12,000, one week course, offered by my consulting firm: Tape A Bit of Paper Over Your Laptop Camera and Then Do Whatever the Fuck You Want, LLC?

  5. 5.

    laura

    October 23, 2020 at 11:59 pm

    Hey all you entitled overpaid male media whores – put your pants on and shuffle off to buffalo, just get the fuck out of my zeitgeist!

  6. 6.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2020 at 12:00 am

    Good thing Baud isn’t here to see all this discussion of wearing pants.

  7. 7.

    dmsilev

    October 24, 2020 at 12:01 am

    Check out the photo at the top of this story.

    Quite the difference in relationships on display.

  8. 8.

    Wag

    October 24, 2020 at 12:02 am

    @Benw:   Come on. Get with the 21st century. Dot com, not LLc,  Howe 80’s can you get?

  9. 9.

    piratedan

    October 24, 2020 at 12:03 am

    @Soprano2: I would venture that the decision tree of choices would look like the aftermath of a forest fire…

    1) disband the pandemic team
    2) misrepresent the IC reports on the virus
    3) ship off the PPE reserves
    4) don’t replace them
    5) no executive order to ramp up to deal with the virus
    6) shut down the WHO testing model
    7) hamstring the CDC
    8) lie about all of the above
    9) half ass the travel ban
    10) pit the states against each other for PPE
    11) lie more about how lethal it is
    12) inform the states that there will be no federal response
    13) fuck with those states that are trying to deal
    14) nepotism the shit out of the response
    15) lie about the numbers some more
    16) offer bullshit cures in the public discussion
    17) undercut the federal response
    18) move reporting from the CDC to HHS
    19) stop reporting numbers
    20) lie about how awesome the federal response was
    21) still no federal mandate to address PPE production and ventilators
    22) bullshit about vaccines
    23) spread the virus himself

    I think that covers most of the highlights…

  10. 10.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @dmsilev: A picture is worth a thousand words.

  11. 11.

    Kattails

    October 24, 2020 at 12:10 am

    @piratedan: But who’s counting?  That’s an impressive list to come up with within half an hour of the post, we know what you haven’t *cough*  been doing during the meetings

    Someone below posted a link to a little video of Trump and Melania exiting the stage after the debate, (sry can’t remember who to credit) but seeing him either  shove her hand away or her yank it… if you look carefully you’ll also notice her wiping her hand on her dress afterwards.

  12. 12.

    Benw

    October 24, 2020 at 12:10 am

    @Wag: the fuck is a “dot com”? Some kind of fancy dot matrix printer? I swear you millenials lol

  13. 13.

    mdblanche

    October 24, 2020 at 12:10 am

    While Toobin was masturbating on the Zoom call, he was supposed to be playing the role of the courts.

    And now we know why judges wear robes.

  14. 14.

    Mike in NC

    October 24, 2020 at 12:13 am

    The new Borat movie on Amazon Prime is insanely over the top and hits Trump, Pence, CPAC, QAnon, COVID deniers, Holocaust deniers, horny Rudi, MAGA rallies, gun nuts, anti-vaxxers and more. Well worth a look.

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    October 24, 2020 at 12:15 am

    @Kattails: Maybe she’s just following best-practice hygiene after being in contact with a COVID-infected surface.

  16. 16.

    TXSwede

    October 24, 2020 at 12:16 am

    VoteVets released my ad on the intertubes this afternoon, and might do a paid ad buy in Texas next week. Glad there was an open thread, so I could share.

    https://twitter.com/votevets/status/1319715015641976833?s=20

  17. 17.

    Amir Khalid

    October 24, 2020 at 12:17 am

    @piratedan:

    Were there such a thing as treason in a nation’s war against a pandemic, Trump would be guilty of it.

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    October 24, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @Amir Khalid

    They’re slavishly, brain dead-y enamored of a quote from The Dungeonmaster:

    “I reject your reality and I substitute my own!”

    //

  19. 19.

    FlyingToaster

    October 24, 2020 at 12:26 am

    What’s truly sad here is that my daughter, at age 8, with her iPad mini, put a piece of Elmer’s Tack over the camera.  WarriorTeen now routinely puts a sticky over her school Chromebook camera, which irritates her middle school teachers.

    And, mind you, everyone at ChezToaster puts on pants before sitting down at a laptop.

  20. 20.

    Mary G

    October 24, 2020 at 12:31 am

    Young ones showing up!

    Young people are showing up like woah pic.twitter.com/FvQRN3dmjZ— Ahmed Shihab-Eldin (@ASE) October 24, 2020

    ✨??‍♂️?

  21. 21.

    Mary G

    October 24, 2020 at 12:34 am

    @TXSwede: Excellent! My mom was born on Swede Hill in Austin, represent!

  22. 22.

    Kattails

    October 24, 2020 at 12:35 am

    @TXSwede: Watched, wonderful, thank you. I love the VoteVets ads.

    @Amir Khalid: Mirriam-Webster, Treason 2. The betrayal of a trust: (see) Treachery Violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence

  23. 23.

    surfk9

    October 24, 2020 at 12:35 am

    @Mike in NC: Just watched it, yup!

  24. 24.

    Amir Khalid

    October 24, 2020 at 12:42 am

    @Mike in NC:

    Until his next boo-boo comes to light, Rudy should be identified as a featured cast member in a Borat movie.

  25. 25.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 24, 2020 at 12:48 am

    Anyone remember Tara Reid?

  26. 26.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    October 24, 2020 at 12:48 am

    @Benw: For those who want to think a little more out-of-the-box, may I enroll you in a $12,000, one week course, offered by my consulting firm: Tape A Bit of Paper Over Your Laptop Camera and Then Do Whatever the Fuck You Want, LLC?

    My consulting firm, That’s Not Your Camera and They Can Still See You LLC is having a buy one, get one 50% sale now through Election Day.

  27. 27.

    The Moar You Know

    October 24, 2020 at 12:50 am

    1) disband the pandemic team
    2) misrepresent the IC reports on the virus
    3) ship off the PPE reserves
    4) don’t replace them
    5) no executive order to ramp up to deal with the virus
    6) shut down the WHO testing model
    7) hamstring the CDC
    8) lie about all of the above
    9) half ass the travel ban
    10) pit the states against each other for PPE
    11) lie more about how lethal it is
    12) inform the states that there will be no federal response
    13) fuck with those states that are trying to deal
    14) nepotism the shit out of the response
    15) lie about the numbers some more
    16) offer bullshit cures in the public discussion
    17) undercut the federal response
    18) move reporting from the CDC to HHS
    19) stop reporting numbers
    20) lie about how awesome the federal response was
    21) still no federal mandate to address PPE production and ventilators
    22) bullshit about vaccines
    23) spread the virus himself

    @piratedan:  if you were deliberately trying to murder as many Americans during a pandemic as possible, what would you do differently?

  28. 28.

    Kent

    October 24, 2020 at 12:50 am

    @FlyingToaster: I was walking by my 9th grade daughter’s zoom class today.  Every kid had their cameras turned off.  Teacher was talking to 24 blank screens.  I’m sort of surprised that the teachers allow it.  I guess they don’t care.

  29. 29.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    October 24, 2020 at 12:51 am

    @mdblanche: I have a vague memory that a judge was actually found to have a habit of masturbating under his robes during trials.

    So arguably Toobin was in character.

    Edit: Yep. This case came up #1 in the Google search (oh, I’m going to get such strange ads now). And I’ll bet it’s not the only one.

  30. 30.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 12:53 am

    [superfluous]

  31. 31.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 12:54 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: “Good thing Baud isn’t here to see all this discussion of wearing pants.”

    Baud’s pantsless policy plank turned out to be prophetic. Evidence that our political and thought leaders don’t know how to pantsless is now clear for everyone to see.

    How can you lead if you can’t pantsless without scaring people?

  32. 32.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 24, 2020 at 12:59 am

    Devin Nunes has a new website set up, except it wasn’t set up by the actual Russian stooge Devin Nunes.

  33. 33.

    James E Powell

    October 24, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @Kent:

    In my district, Los Angeles, we cannot require students to have their cameras on.

  34. 34.

    piratedan

    October 24, 2020 at 1:01 am

    @The Moar You Know: well short of a Federal Mandate to only treat Republicans its really hard to say….

    and I tried to keep it to an easier to digest version so it wouldn’t be in TL;DR mode but I wanted to make a specific point about how much of an impact the lying makes, because it’s not always the same lie that’s being told.  If there’s a want, I can go into more specifics but this is what I could ping off the top of my head in that moment… and its still pretty damn scary/daunting when you think of the scope…

     

    In a way, I think it follows the same pattern about the reaction to the Russian interference in our election, every seemingly sane choice discarded by the GOP, at every branching the less democratic law abiding choice was made… I’m sure that the statisticians may review this and come to the finding that all of this was DELIBERATE.

  35. 35.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 1:01 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Ooh, a whole network of sites!  Nice!

  36. 36.

    Brachiator

    October 24, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @Peale:

    But in 2019, the National Vaccine Program Office was shut down in an effort to cut costs and “eliminate program redundancies,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar wrote at the time. The shortsightedness of that shutdown has come into clear view amid the coronavirus pandemic, said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who who was assistant secretary for preparedness and response at HHS during the 2009 pandemic.

    Running the government like a business.

    Just further confirmation that Trump needs to be voted out of office with an exclamation point.

  37. 37.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 24, 2020 at 1:03 am

    @The Moar You Know: if you were deliberately trying to murder as many Americans during a pandemic as possible, what would you do differently?

    Well Trump has yet call for the murder of all doctors as elitists.

  38. 38.

    The Moar You Know

    October 24, 2020 at 1:05 am

     

    I’m sort of surprised that the teachers allow it.  I guess they don’t care.

    @Kent: Spouse of a teacher.  They talk about it a lot.  It bugs the shit out of every single teacher in my wife’s district, but there’s not a damn thing they can do about it.

    The teachers find it incredibly demoralizing.

  39. 39.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 24, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @jl: Pants, they are overrated and it’s high time we dropped them.

  40. 40.

    FlyingToaster

    October 24, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @Kent: One reason kids turn their cameras off is that the connection often sucks when everyone’s online together.  Dropping 8 video threads does improve everything else.

    Fridays are all remote in our school’s hybrid scheme; Advisory (what would be morning homeroom in the Before times) starts with the teacher telling everyone, “Okay turn on your camera.  Thanks, I’ve taken attendance; if your connection sucks turn it back off.”

    WarriorTeen comes home at 12:30 because all afternoon teaching is remote via Chromebook; the kids remaining at school usually turn off their video after the teacher has confirmed they’re there.  Our house definitely has better connectivity than the Art Room (where her pod is located).

  41. 41.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 24, 2020 at 1:07 am

    @Mary G:

    That’s is awesome news! : D

  42. 42.

    Amir Khalid

    October 24, 2020 at 1:10 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    That depends. Is one also going commando?

  43. 43.

    Benw

    October 24, 2020 at 1:11 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: wow the second one is HALF OFF? So even if I’m sitting through the same seminar twice, the second one is cheaper! Sign me up

  44. 44.

    JaySinWA

    October 24, 2020 at 1:12 am

    @Kent: The upload speed for xfinity and other common providers is close to the minimum of Zoom. Having cameras on is problematic in keeping a connection working properly. Cameras off is sensible, I believe just from a technical perspective. From a social view, the room may well present social economic background information that marks people in negative ways.

  45. 45.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 1:14 am

    @JaySinWA: Hangouts calls are often clearer than phone calls, even between the same two devices.  But unless I -want- video, I always disable it, b/c geez, who needs to waste the bandwidth, and hey, the voice call might be even better quality!  And I have a really good ISP (Monkeybrains  in SF).

  46. 46.

    Ivan X

    October 24, 2020 at 1:15 am

    @piratedan:  well catalogued!

  47. 47.

    VeniceRiley

    October 24, 2020 at 1:20 am

    For a mere $1750, I will set up a Logitech webcam for you that has a phsical slide lens cover in contrasty white. That way, everyone will only hear you jack your noodle.

  48. 48.

    West of the Rockies

    October 24, 2020 at 1:21 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Sure, Bunny Lebowski!

  49. 49.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 24, 2020 at 1:22 am

    FTR, I am wearing pants.

  50. 50.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 24, 2020 at 1:25 am

    @Amir Khalid: Stand tall, stand proud.

  51. 51.

    Brachiator

    October 24, 2020 at 1:25 am

    @James E Powell:

    In my district, Los Angeles, we cannot require students to have their cameras on.

    I do not recall where it was, but I recently listened to a teacher who delivered her school lessons via a YouTube video.  This obviously eliminated interaction with students, but she found that when she used Zoom, some students felt embarrassed to be a focus of attention. They had no problem with looking at the teacher, but did not want to be looked at themselves. Others felt bad about having others peek into their homes.

    Remote teaching is a new experiment. The rules have to be worked out.

    Same is the case with remote work. I don’t want to rehash a lot of the Toobin mishap, but I remember asking a colleague  to either send me a text message or call me later about some work related matter.

    The person was out of the office and was obviously calling from a restroom.  He was on the toilet taking care of business.  This was just a phone call, not video.  And I could not point to any clear rule or etiquette that made such a call impermissible.  But I found it distracting and annoying.  And I know people who do it all the time. Add working from home and it all becomes crazy complicated.

  52. 52.

    MobiusKlein

    October 24, 2020 at 1:29 am

    @Kent: Re teachers and video –

    in my town, school district rules forbid teachers from making it a requirement.    And the teachers I know care, and have a hard time coping with all those things.  But carry on the best they can.

  53. 53.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    October 24, 2020 at 1:29 am

    @Benw: Excellent! And I’ll take 3 of yours. With a gift card, please.

  54. 54.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 1:31 am

    @Benw: Dollar cost averaging!

  55. 55.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 1:34 am

    @piratedan: What could have been with the resources of the US!

    Below is a link to a time lapse of the Our World in Data’s government stringency index, which is a rough measure of coercive ‘heavy manners’ used by governments to control covid-19. It measures the extent and severity of travel bans, general shut downs, school closings, etc. You can click on the arrow at the lower right and watch stringency over the world flash before your eyes since January.

    COVID-19: Government Response Stringency Index, Oct 23, 2020

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?time=2020-10-23

    Note Taiwan, which is one of the world leaders in covid-19 control, and note that not only have they controlled covid-19 better than almost every other county, but they have been able to keep their economy and society far more open.

    OK, don’t like Taiwan: it’s an island, it society is different, etc.?  Look at Denmark, Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia. They did have strong shutdowns and closures, but for a far shorter time that we did, have fewer restrictions now and doing far better than we are in disease control (though Denmark has a bad outbreak right now). I’m leaving Sweden out since it is a special case.

    So, US covid-19 control is EXCEPTIONAL!  Maximum damage from covid-19, expensive cost of control, maximum damage to society and the economy. Quite an achievement. American exceptionalism GOP and Trump style.

  56. 56.

    tokyocali (formerly tokyo expat)

    October 24, 2020 at 1:41 am

    I teach 8 Zoom classes a week (4 classes 2 times a week). These are first and second year university students. They all keep the cameras off for reasons expressed above (data limitations, privacy, no one else has their camera on, etc.). The Ministry of Education also advised universities to be mindful of data limitations.

    It was weird at first just having my face on screen, but I’ve gotten used to it. It’s still better than last term when there was no Zoom, it was all on demand and I had no connection with the students. As was pointed out above, we’re all learning the rules of this environment and trying to make it work. For a speaking class (the only Zoom class), at least it allows them an opportunity to practice English. Listening class has transferred well to the on demand environment. Writing class has proved more challenging, especially in terms of giving feedback in a timely manner. All of us want to be back in the classroom.

  57. 57.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 1:41 am

    @jl: Thank you for this!  It’s quite instructive to see just how little our restrictions differ from countries that have done a much better job overall.

  58. 58.

    Aleta

    October 24, 2020 at 1:44 am

    At the Leslie Stahl School of Instant Journalism you’ll learn her secret to interviewing Mike Pence without slapping him at every answer.

  59. 59.

    Pete Downunder

    October 24, 2020 at 1:49 am

    @jl: Australia with landmass similar to continental US but population about 25 million has Covid well controlled in all states except Victoria which is fighting a few clusters. Life here is pretty normal except that travel is restricted. Limited travel (opening gradually) between states is taking place but international travel is entirely closed.

    Shops and restaurants have Covid safe rules and restaurants log customers for contact tracing but otherwise life goes on. The key was early lockdown with strict enforcement including heavy on the spot fines.

  60. 60.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 1:52 am

    @Chetan Murthy: Yes, that is also true. But the tragedy is that a number of countries have been able to reduce both the costs of the disease and costs of control far below the mess we have here.

    If control is smart, it does not have to be disastrously expensive or restrictive of economic and social life. I read an article on Taiwan, and one thing they have done is exploit their equivalent of the Defense Production Act to the max.. They don’t have to deal with shortages of masks, test equipment, medical PPE that other countries do. They built an entire supply chain for that stuff.. Plus they go very early on effective control efforts, which means they don’t have to go extremely strong in a widespread costly way.

    I’ll try to dig up the article.

    Edit: the one catch is you do have to wear a damned mask on public almost all the time.

  61. 61.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 24, 2020 at 1:54 am

    @Mary G: It is great that they’re showing up, but I’m not convinced these kids aren’t voting for Trump. Anything goes this year.

  62. 62.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 24, 2020 at 1:56 am

    @jl: “wear a damn mask in public almost all the time”.  Heh.  That’d be an improvement on basically “never go out, just work from home, never go inside another building”.

  63. 63.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 1:56 am

    @Pete Downunder: One advantage Australia has with other more successful countries is that there is an adequate testing and contact tracing and isolation program. So, they know where the outbreaks originate and how they move though the country.

    in the US we are like a blind person wandering around in a backyard littered with rakes, getting hit in the face every time we turn around.

  64. 64.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 1:59 am

    Many poor countries in Africa are doing better than the US both in covid control and costs, even after you control for differences in age structure. Though there are some exceptions who are messing up, and a few blowing it off an lying about it.

    But, I read that Africa has built a continental wide supply chain for control equipment, again, tests, masks, medical PPE, etc. Any country in Africa can tap into it.

    Another article I need to dig up.

  65. 65.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2020 at 2:02 am

    @jl: I see that we end up as “no data” or white, just the way Trump wants it.

  66. 66.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2020 at 2:07 am

    @jl:

    in the US we are like a blind person wandering around in a backyard littered with rakes, getting hit in the face every time we turn around.

    Ah, that’s where all the rakes are.

  67. 67.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 2:08 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: We can find the rakes pantslessly.

  68. 68.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 2:10 am

    Not the article I found on it originally, I think it was in NYT, but don’t see that one. This is from a website that seems to be associated with professional pharmacy associations.

    The Africa Medical Supplies Platform, Africa’s united continental supply chain response to COVID, expands to African hospitals and CARICOM countries, and secures lifesaving COVID-19 medical treatment to benefit nearly 1 million Africans

    https://thepharmadata.com/the-africa-medical-supplies-platform-africas-united-continental-supply-chain-response-to-covid-expands-to-african-hospitals-and-caricom-countries-and-secures-lifesaving-covid-19-medical-treatment/

  69. 69.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    October 24, 2020 at 2:11 am

    @jl: Go look at the map of the US, the places that are doing the best are the places AIDs is the worst.  Not only is the infrastructure in place but the population knows they can’t count of the Fed because of conservative BS.

  70. 70.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 2:14 am

    Africa’s Innovative COVID-19 Response: The Africa Medical Supplies Platform

    http://www.peah.it/2020/09/africas-innovative-covid-19-response-the-africa-medical-supplies-platform/

  71. 71.

    jl

    October 24, 2020 at 2:20 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    General public infrastructure capacity, and experience actually solving problems, have been noted as important factors in successful control. I saw it mentioned in review of the response in Norway, Finland and Switzerland. They have public sectors that have been well funded and given authority to actually solve social and health problems in the last few decades.

    In most the US the public sector has spent its time fighting for ever scarcer funds, and hunkering down to keep things together with duct tape and twine. Let alone try to actually solve a major problem. Which is one reason state health departments have been having more trouble than expected developing good control policies. And some have had to fight a two front war against the disease and against state political leadership.

  72. 72.

    Ruckus

    October 24, 2020 at 2:22 am

    @Wag:

    Going after the conservative market. Their concept barely allows electrical current let alone this web thing…..

  73. 73.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 24, 2020 at 2:33 am

    @jl: Hey, that’s you and Baud’s kink.

  74. 74.

    Peale

    October 24, 2020 at 2:55 am

    I honestly feel bad for Dan Froomkin, since I had him confused with Jeff Toobin when this story broke. Hopefully I’m the only one. Saw his name on a byline over at Huffpost and wondered why they had hired such a sleaze so quickly after the scandal.

  75. 75.

    Aleta

    October 24, 2020 at 3:06 am

    (3 min cartoon) INVADERS FROM ABOVE
    Directed by Dano Johnson and Kevin Maher
    Written by Kevin Maher

    https://vimeo.com/470168883

  76. 76.

    TriassicSands

    October 24, 2020 at 3:12 am

    @The Moar You Know:

    There is a much shorter list:

    1) Elect Donald Trump to be your president.

    Rest assured if there is something stupid to do, Donald will do it. If there is something important to be done, Donald won’t do it.

    It’s pretty clear, if the SARS-CoV2 virus could vote, it would vote for Trump. Just think of the landslide — Donald Trump: “n” vigintillion; Joe Biden: 70 million.

    And the turnout at his inauguration would be “Uuuuuuuge!”

    No president has done more for COVID-19 than Donald Trump.

  77. 77.

    Debbie(Aussie)

    October 24, 2020 at 3:15 am

    @Aleta:

    That was amazing!! Thanks for sharing. Humans can be very stupid sometimes, even the ‘smart ones’.

  78. 78.

    Aleta

    October 24, 2020 at 3:19 am

    @Debbie(Aussie): I wish we were smarter at realizing how  stupid we are.

  79. 79.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 24, 2020 at 3:28 am

    @dmsilev: Dr. Biden loves her husband, and she loves him for the good, decent, hard-working, family man that he is.

    God bless her.

  80. 80.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 24, 2020 at 3:58 am

    @NotMax: Never seen it but I’m sure Adam Savage improved the quote.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    October 24, 2020 at 4:28 am

    @TXSwede:  Excellent ad.

    What do you mean by “your ad”?  You’re in it?  You wrote it?  You filmed it?

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    October 24, 2020 at 4:29 am

    @Mary G: Wowser!

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    October 24, 2020 at 4:40 am

    @Matt McIrvin: It shouldn’t be hard to find out the party registration for most of those young people.

  84. 84.

    Sab

    October 24, 2020 at 4:45 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Co-star of all the Sharknado movies.

  85. 85.

    satby

    October 24, 2020 at 5:28 am

    @TXSwede: Great ad, thanks!

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    October 24, 2020 at 5:32 am

    @mrmoshpotato

    No idea who he is, but the (dreadful) movie it comes from was released during the mid-80s, so that’s where he got it from too.

  87. 87.

    satby

    October 24, 2020 at 5:36 am

    @WaterGirl: He’s the man in it.

  88. 88.

    JR

    October 24, 2020 at 5:53 am

    You know what you need? Pants.

  89. 89.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 24, 2020 at 6:08 am

    @TXSwede:

    Excellent ad! (I take it you’re Bjorn.) Thank you for sharing your story with VoteVets, and for bringing this ad to our attention.

  90. 90.

    Geminid

    October 24, 2020 at 6:32 am

    @jl: re Covid-19 in Africa: a lot of less wealthy countries have good, well distributed public health programs. That the US lags in this area may show an opportunity cost of our for-profit health care system.

  91. 91.

    eclare

    October 24, 2020 at 6:34 am

    @TXSwede: Awesome ad!

  92. 92.

    Geminid

    October 24, 2020 at 6:44 am

    @Geminid: And then there are the odd cultural practices of the “developed” countries. In the Swiss Canton of Swyz, a yodeling concert in September turned out to be a super spreader event.

  93. 93.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 24, 2020 at 7:21 am

    @piratedan: Wow. That’s an impressive list.

  94. 94.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 24, 2020 at 7:22 am

    @TXSwede: Great ad.

  95. 95.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 24, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Not even enough to spell her (current) last name correctly, amirite? :^D

  96. 96.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 24, 2020 at 8:04 am

    @The Moar You Know: if you were deliberately trying to murder as many Americans during a pandemic as possible, because you thought the victims would be disproportionately black & brown folks who see through your bullshit & would never vote for you anyway, what would you do differently?

    FTFY (unfortunately).

  97. 97.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 24, 2020 at 8:19 am

    @Aleta: I wish we were smarter at realizing how stupid we are.

    I’m nominating this for a rotating tagline!

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    October 24, 2020 at 9:33 am

    @satby: I watched the ad but didn’t catch that.  It was the middle of the night when I woke up and watched it, so I’ll go with that as the excuse.

  99. 99.

    Betty

    October 24, 2020 at 10:00 am

    @piratedan:  Send that to the Lincoln Project.

  100. 100.

    Betty

    October 24, 2020 at 10:03 am

    @TXSwede:  Fantastic! Congratulations.

  101. 101.

    WaterGirl

    October 24, 2020 at 10:50 am

    @piratedan: I agree with Betty.  That would make a great ad.  I can see the list scrolling across the screen as they narrate.  Tweet it to the Biden campaign and the Lincoln Project.  People should also tweet it at the Pod Save America folks because they have connections to the campaign.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    October 24, 2020 at 11:09 am

    @Benw: 

    Electrical tape works pretty well, too. Ask Me How I Know!

  103. 103.

    J R in WV

    October 24, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    @Miss Bianca: 

    Electrical tape works pretty well, too. Ask Me How I Know!

    Second thing I do with a new laptop is cover the on board camera with black electrical tape. As soon as I get it running, tape that camera. Have never needed it, won’t even need it.

  104. 104.

    KenK

    October 24, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    @laura: @#5 “put your pants on and shuffle off to buffalo, just get the fuck out of my zeitgeist!”
    No thanks, I don’t want them in my zeitgeist, either.

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