However little you think of Jeff Flake, you have to admit he can sniff a trend like a beagle after a cookie…
.@JeffFlake helping @JoeBiden + @KamalaHarris bring it home in Arizona with a new GOTV ad —> pic.twitter.com/HO1zWcI7DM
— Geoff Burgan (@GeoffBurgan) October 28, 2020
15,179,420 Americans who didn't vote in 2016 have already cast a ballot in the 2020 general election.
The Democratic lead among these surge voters is almost double their lead with those early voters who did vote in '16.
— Tom Bonier (@tbonier) October 27, 2020
? Electoral College rating change: Texas moves from Lean R to Toss Up
Read @amyewalter's latest analysis: https://t.co/eiPt68cNxJ
— CookPoliticalReport (@CookPolitical) October 28, 2020
The Biden campaign's travel schedule to close the race exudes a type of confidence that basically 99.999% of the Democratic Party is too psychologically scarred to have.
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 28, 2020
Biden campaign isn’t spending to flip Texas because they don’t need it. Trump campaign isn’t spending to hold Texas because they can’t afford it.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 28, 2020
Kamala Harris going to McAllen for a symbolic “I busted Texas” reason. Fort Worth & Houston get her that. She isn’t going there to help out any local candidates. Everything there is Democratic. You go there only to boost the turnout you need for a statewide win.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 28, 2020
ETA:
New: President Obama will join @JoeBiden in Michigan on Saturday, his campaign advises
— Hanna Trudo (@HCTrudo) October 28, 2020
This says it as clearly as I’ve seen. #AmericaNeedsMichigan pic.twitter.com/MaX4Gv3E1k
— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) October 27, 2020
Cheryl Rofer
To win, Trump needs to win states where he hasn’t led polling averages in months
Bailey
Give Flake additional credit for finding a stunning backdrop for his ad.
piratedan
Kamala here in Tucson…. today…
https://www.facebook.com/LarryBodine4601/videos/1388229874719115/
courtesy of the Facebook feed from Blog For Arizona
germy
Anonymous revealed himself, and nobody seems to much care.
Miles Taylor.
cain
Go Kamala!!!
We need every state flip we can get. If we get Texas (and it will have be without a doubt margins) and hopefully the down tickets as well – we will have a iron clad lock on the election that cannot be fucked with.
Nothing can be close. It has to be a blow out – we flip that senate and then it is going to be revenge. It’s time for our politicians to no longer bring a chess set to a knife fight – but a fucking howitzer.
Captain C
I just voted!!! Unfortunately, my early spot is not near the Indonesian restaurant after all, so I’ll do that this weekend. I was grinning under my mask as I went straight WFP (which echoed the Democratic line entirely). And now, a nice 30 block walk home in the gloaming with a stop for Mexican food.
cain
I wish Kamala would come here to Oregon. When Obama came here – we brought 80k people – it was a SIGHT. I will never forget the sea of people in a completely 180 degree – on the bridges, across the river, in boats, it was the most amazing political event I’ve ever been to.
germy
And if they can’t bring a howitzer, at least bring a sharper knife.
dr. bloor
Getting Jeff Flake on board strikes me as the rough equivalent of having Bill Kristol predict victory.
Frank Wilhoit
@germy: He didn’t reveal himself sooner because his position would not have lent him any credibility. It still doesn’t, but it is now too late for him to even benefit from credibility.
cain
I just read up on that whole thing going in Omaha, that sounds like a real shooting yourself in the foot in a place that they didn’t have to work hard. He’s going to where people love him – but that hot mess is going to have an effect on some of those people – stuck in the cold, especially for the elderly and the youngsters – some might not be so forgiving of the Trump campaign. But they might not take it personally against Trump – but boy, what a shitty way to fuck up.
germy
It was the strangest part of the press conference.
cain
@germy:
Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnosk4tWrg
dr. bloor
@cain: At this point, Trump is pretty much confined to campaigning in states where he won’t lose Electoral College votes even if he happens to kill a few people while on the ground.
cain
@dr. bloor:
Luckily he’s not doing that – he’s a lot more saner when he’s not peddling conservative bullshit. I get annoyed when I find myself nodding along to whatever the fuck that guy says.
germy
Peale
@cain: It’s really smart. No it is. People need to be encouraged to come to the event. So make entry as easy as possible. They obviously aren’t going to stay there forever once its over. But they have a good head on their shoulders and can find their own way back. This is why it never makes sense to hire busboys in restaurants. waste of money. If people want to eat, they’ll clear the table. They don’t have to be told or coddled.
Cheryl Rofer
Rand Careaga
OK, with that Flake is issued a “Get Out of Tumbrel Free” card, but he voted to confirm Boofer Brett, so he still has to spend a couple of years in a re-education camp.
HumboldtBlue
Well no shit.
Baud
@cain:
Return transportation is socialism.
Baud
Besides 2016, we’re constantly being told we have to win big, not just win. People are bound to be nervous.
debbie
@germy:
Did he acknowledge he was just a disgruntled employee? //
LeftCoastYankee
@cain:
Not to mention it was 95+ degrees in May (IIRC?). Can’t believe that was 12 years ago already.
debbie
@germy:
I’m confused. What was it Kavanaugh was talking about yesterday?
MomSense
@germy:
2020 man. The pentagon confirmed UFOs, too. Was met with a big meh.
Martin
@cain: Omaha? That’s NE-02. Biden polling at +10 there. Obama won NE-02 in 2008.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@debbie: He was concentrating on his studies, his faith, and football. He had no time for girls and hootch.
One time he stopped to help an old lady across the street and was late for Mass, but he went to confession after.
piratedan
@piratedan: I really liked that the focus of the speech in the beginning was all about what Trump knew and what he did and how that has resulted to Harris having to give a speech in a socially distanced format to try and keep us safe…
Martin
@Cheryl Rofer: The undecideds are coming in. As I suspected, they’re breaking for Biden.
LeftCoastYankee
This from the Stein tweet is a teeth-grinder:
As if all the Republican (and others) ratfcking, and the gullible media enabling isn’t at all part of the issue. Not to mention all the fascist drum beating from the administration.
jl
@germy: Close to the election, I’d prefer that the GOTV experts play chess, which seems to me is what they are doing.
I’d leave the knife fighting, or willingness to put up any kind of fight, to the political consultants and the politicians themselves.
Timurid
Speaking of leading indicators, we may be facing a very dangerous moment tomorrow and possibly the last major inflection point of the campaign (barring any surprise news). GDP figures for the quarter will be released, and by all accounts they will absurdly, cartoonishly high… as in well over 30% growth. Of course that’s recovery from the extremely low baseline set earlier this year and not nearly as impressive as it looks at first glance. The problem is that not everyone is going to understand or look into the underlying mechanics, and this could be a big surge of oxygen for Trump in the last few days of the campaign.
germy
I love this:
jl
@Timurid: 30 percent is the annualized rate, what would happen over the whole year it it was like the 3rd quarter. On the ground, for the average voter, it won’t feel like some accelerating boom, but continued trend towards disappointing and less than Trumpsters promised.
Baud
@Timurid:
I don’t think that’s going to matter outside of people who are already Trump committed.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I agree. All this doom posting and making out the Orange Clown to be an all powerful omnipotent superbeing, is annoying.
It is he should be afraid not us.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
MR. LOYALTIES – not!
AIMS TROLLEY – or bus?
ORALLY SMITE – the audiobook version
A SMELLY RIOT – the West Wing this afternoon, probably
REMIT ALLOYS – or Bitcoin will do
MOTLEY LIARS – only the best people
Martin
@Timurid: I doubt it’ll matter. People know where they stand in the economy. Plus, half of votes are already cast. Some GA counties are already past their 2016 total votes.
Maybe before the debates it would have helped.
eric
@jl: i would say that the numbers create a risk that the WH will say something like “all is great,” when people living through the pandemic on a local level cannot see any macro level growth. Plus, states are re-shutting down. I fully expect some brutally tone deaf statements from Kudlow et al.
jl
@Timurid: Krugman has a good explainer on the GDP numbers and how they’ll look to people experiencing reality on the ground, a measurement issue, and annualized rates.
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1321503747726544897
Wolf
@germy:
Who?
Still anonymous.
West of the Rockies
I liked that Jeff Daniels ad. The music was darkly compelling, and I hope it speaks to Michiganers.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
I think there are real threats, including the courts. But people do tend to overboard on assessing risks accurately when they’re nervous.
Tim C.
@cain: I was there too! On the other hand, Pandemic Portland is (mostly) following the rules which is why our number have been decent, if not as good as we wish thanks to many rural yokels.
cain
@Peale: I think I can smell your sarcasm from here – but in case it isnt – that’s not a carbon friendly method of bringing people over. Plus if they carted you there to the place, they are obligated to carted back.
jl
@eric: Hard to know who some more TV spots of Trump, Mnuchin and Kudlow looking like sketchy local used care salesmen pitching a car that they aren’t showing you will play. Great for some die-hards, maybe not so much for more reality based voters.
cain
:smirks:
Timurid
@jl: Yes (I linked the same thing). But it could still influence people who are not experts or who are not being directly hurt.
cain
I don’t remember it being hot – it was super pleasant – and it felt like a country faire or something. Plus the stupid cops didn’t even do crowd control – everyone self organized and got people going, traffic moving – the cops just sat around. Assholes. But there was a feeling in the air – never experienced anything like it.
jl
@Timurid: Sorry, I didn’t spot the text hyperlink
Edit: for worriers, I don’t think people are impressed by sleazy over the top sales pitches that don’t reflect their own reality. I think several swing states are being hit by big increase in cases and economic and social fall out, and that include FL.
Bill Arnold
One of yesterday’s Grifter Team Trump 2020 email. The “love”, it is not reciprocated. :-) (The constant emails from his family are genuinely creepy, albeit probably just looting their gullible followers pre-election. On the plus side, they’re addition justification for targeting them without mercy, forevermore.)
I particularly like the “Trump Fact” that we as a nation will be luckier with Trump as Dear Leader. (His luck-debt is being called due. :-)
Baud
@jl:
Aren’t the good numbers because if the CARES act?
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: As an immigrant, who has friends in various stages of GC applications and naturalization applications I do know the havoc he can and has caused but being afraid of the bully boy and letting him dictate the terms of the dialog achieves nothing. He blusters and lies all the fucking time.
What he excels at is gaslighting and manipulating people. I refuse to play his game.
Martin
@schrodingers_cat: My concern isn’t that he’s an all powerful superbeing, it’s that a lot of my job concerns policy making and creating durable institutions, and the last year in particular has revealed just how fragile US institutions are, because never before have we been dumb enough to invite a bull into the china shop.
If Biden wins, that doesn’t automatically change. Even a Dem Congress leaves things fragile. I mean, we could use a Dem majority to pass a health care bill, but USSC could simply invalidate it. That’s why I’m concerned about Congress’ ability to reform voting rights given so many justices apparent hostility to constitutional amendments that have done exactly that.
cain
Apparently, Trump is desperate for NE. It’s also completely indefensible – a lot of those people will feel like they’ve been slapped in the face – especially those who are taking the elderly – imagine the bathroom situation and various others – and then being out till early morning? WTF. I would be pissed at Biden if that happened to me.
jl
@Baud: That is too deep in the weeds for me. Seems like some of it must be.
schrodingers_cat
@Martin: Where did I say that Biden winning makes everything instantaneously better like a waving a magic wand.
I understand what is at stake here.
Baud
@cain:
You don’t belong to a cult.
Felanius Kootea
Great ad by Jeff Flake.
I’m kind of mad right now about Trump vetoing Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala’s nomination to be Director General of the WTO when the majority of countries across the globe back her. She’s black, competent, pro-globalism, pro-sanity, and most definitely not a yes-person, all things he and his minions hate. By November 7 though, if Biden wins, maybe the WTO will just ignore him.
jl
@Bill Arnold: Lindsey Graham been giving Trump advice on how to beg for money as desperately as possible?
MomSense
O/T if anyone is looking for an inexpensive but tasty white wine, try Matua. It’s a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc. I’ve always been a red wine person, but this is good!!
Martin
@cain: I think NE-02 is key for Biden to win if he loses both PA and FL. There’s some specific scenario where NE-02 is the tipping point.
I don’t think he’s losing either FL or PA. Cook moving TX to tossup 6 days out, after half the ballots are already cast should scare the fuck out of the GOP.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
We will bring him down to size next week.
MomSense
@schrodingers_cat:
My dear friend’s fiancée was deported. We are all heartbroken.
Martin
@schrodingers_cat: I never suggested you did. I’m merely noting that some of us are anxious about some of the overarching issues and not just Trump narrowly.
terry chay
@Captain C: Speaking of Mexican food after voting, here is a wonderful article to read: No Love, No Tacos.
HumboldtBlue
David ?Booooooo!? Koch
As of 4 PM Eastern:
? at least 75 million people have voted
? 5 million votes have been cast today
? Act Blue raised $22.5 million dollars in the last 21 hours
? 9 people stranded at the Omaha Trump rally have been diagnosed with pneumonia
? Hope rides again this Saturday (photo)
Baud
@Martin: And Cook is pretty conservative in their assessments.
debbie
@Bill Arnold:
Why are you one of his strongest supporters?
HumboldtBlue
@MomSense:
Christ.
Baud
@David ?Booooooo!? Koch:
Haha. Great cover.
Baud
@debbie:
Space Force!
craigie
@Rand Careaga:
This seems fair.
debbie
@Martin:
Wasn’t Trump there for the electoral vote(s)?
Jeffro
Yuuuuup! Everyone who’s all-in on trumpov was all-in after Charlottesville and Helsinki. I have no doubt he brought some occasional voters in off the sidelines, but he’s lost even more from the GOP, and alienated most (bless their hearts) “independents”.
trumpov is good for his turnout and great for ours.
schrodingers_cat
@Martin: A D win is just the beginning I agree. I can just focus on Tuesday right now. I will leave the worrying about how to right this ship that has run aground after next Tuesday.
@MomSense: OMG that’s terrible. What happened if you don’t mind sharing.
Ken
I assume you haven’t given him any money? Yet you rank as one of his strongest supporters…
And yes, I know it’s a form letter and a lie, but you’d think they’d do some triaging of their mailing lists. I wonder how many of the Tulsa tik-tokkers are getting these emails.
Sloane Ranger
@cain:
No, but there’s a chance that a percentage of the older people will suffer side effects from the cold and walking 3.5 miles back to their cars that they will be unable to turn up to vote next week. Probably not enough to make a difference but every little helps if it’s really close.
I thought the idea was to suppress the other sides votes, not your own.
HumboldtBlue
Also — Nine Inch Nails’ Trent Reznor says he told Ted Cruz to “f–k off” when he asked to be put on concert guest list
Baud
@Sloane Ranger:
Trump needs to hold more rallies.
aliasofwestgate
@West of the Rockies: I think it will. I’m living in Wisconsin now, but that add is perfectly Michigan from a true native. I’m worried about Peters’ senate seat, but not overtly much. Especially if turnout is high, early voting and mail in too. He quietly got that seat after Levin retired, and i think he’s got a good chance ot keep it as well. When Michigan gets mad, they get even. Engler infamously promised Michigan on a silver platter to Dubya back in the 00s. We all voted against him and it stayed blue, nationally pretty much out of spite. I’m feeling spiteful myself even in my new locale, so i think others will too. Trump’s been a major asshole to Whitmer, who’s been working her ass off to keep the state’s Covid contained and under control and keep shit running even as she works against a crappy state supreme court and legislature. The rural areas are pretty red, but the cities? blue af and angry af.
Cheryl Rofer
@Baud:
The downside of this theory is that most of the country is currently in uncontrolled covid spread, and we don’t need that made worse.
Ohio Mom
Is Miles Taylor the conventionally good-looking fellow who quit Homeland Security and made a commercial for Biden a while back, saying what he witnessed at his job was frightening? If not, who is he?
On another note, Jeff Daniels is very loyal to his Michigan home town. He created a theater downtown as an economic development tool. I understand he spends a fair amount of time there.
I don’t remember the name of this podunk town, we went there about a dozen years ago on our way to tour the Jiffy Cornbread factory. Lots of great stuff to see and do in Michigan, we had a fun week touring.
piratedan
@Cheryl Rofer: he’s in Bullhead City today, all the hallmarks of another potential super-spreader…. all of the middle-class and lower middle class MAGA’s who will go from there to all of their snowbird sanctuaries and spread it from there.
It’s gonna suck big time for places like Kingman, Needles, Vegas where people will likely infect fast food workers in a 250mi area…
its gonna be awful
for those unaware, Bullhead City is across the Colorado River from Laughlin… its situated to pick up gambling addicts and people who have money to burn but feel that Vegas is “too colorful” for them. It’s in Trump’s demographic wheelhouse.
Sloane Ranger
@Ohio Mom:
Yep, that’s him.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: First, win. Second, win big. Third, destroy the GOP as a viable political entity once and for all. I would like to see all three. I would be happy with the first two. I could live with the first if I must. I believe that makes me a neo-liberal squish of some kind.
Martin
@debbie: Yeah. I was replying to the suggestion that the folks around Omaha like Trump. He’s gonna lose NE-02 pretty badly. It was a dumb place for him to go not because it’s a lock, but because it’s out of reach.
He should be in Texas, because that’s the ballgame now.
Suzanne
I’m so exhausted and I just want it to be over. Since learning of Amira’s death (daughter of friend/colleague, and a good friend to our Spawn) last night, I am just emotionally worn out. Thank you to those who donated to the GoFundMe. It looks like the family will come close or meet the goal.
I do have a voting outfit: “VOTE” face mask, T-shirt reading “Rule like Ruth”, and I’m thinking of topping it off with a pussy hat.
Sab
@Ohio Mom: Miles Taylor is the guy you remember.
I used to live in western M8chigan, but the deVos and VanAndel famikies were taking over politically.
Cheryl Rofer
@piratedan: I’m seeing clips from his rallies today, and he’s not even bothering to fake it by asking the people sitting behind him to wear masks. They’re all unmasked now.
different-church-lady
YEAH, WELL HILLARY HAD A BIG LEAD AND LOOK HOW THAT TURNED wait, Texas is doing what?
piratedan
@Cheryl Rofer: and I’m guessing that his entire crew has suspended doing any testing, why bother… they obviously have made the decision to not give a shit.
different-church-lady
@Cheryl Rofer: He’ll start ladling out the Flavor-Aid any day now.
Ken
At this rate, by Friday he’ll be heading to South Dakota again to try to salvage its three electoral votes.
Matt McIrvin
@cain: Nebraska divides 3 of its 5 electoral votes by congressional district. NE-02 is Omaha, and while the rest of the state is deep red, that one electoral vote went to Obama in 2008. They redrew the district to try to keep it from happening again, but it seems to be happening again.
(Actually, NE-01 looks much less red than it used to be, but it’s probably still a pretty safe get for Trump.)
Barbara
@Martin: I don’t see a lot of strategic thinking, but I assume they are simply hoping Texas holds. A single rally in Texas won’t mean much and it’s expensive to advertise.
ETA: Or maybe no one is brave enough to suggest Texas might be lost.
debbie
@Suzanne:
I was so ticked that my RBG Dissent pin arrived a few days after I’d voted.
Zzyzx
@Martin: Half?
Texas has cast 91% of their 2016 vote total already. I mean that means turnout will be greater but I suspect the majority of voters have already done so.
Barbara
@Ken
Commenting is wacky right now, but I don’t think Trump should be worried about the Dakotas.
Baud
@Zzyzx:
IIRC, Texas in 2016 was already bluer in 2016 than it had been in the recent past.
different-church-lady
@Cheryl Rofer: Look, you gotta remember it’s all those people who registered as Democrats years ago but now can’t stand Biden and are going to… Aw fuck it, I can’t do it anymore.
Cheryl Rofer
In response to Peggy Noonan –
Suzanne
@piratedan: Remember what happened when Borat went to Kingman?
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: Wait, that’s not embarrassing at all.
MomSense
@Cheryl Rofer:
That is beautiful.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
If Biden wins, especially if he wins big, I hope and pretty much believe that Trump will wind up being the last gasp of white resentment being the driving force in a national election win. That would be something to celebrate for sure. I do want to win, and big, just because it gives us an instant “we have a mandate from the voters” response to the inevitable obstruction Moscow Mitch will try to mount.
Suzanne
@debbie: My cousin Dave took a picture of himself wearing a Ruth collar shirt putting his ballot into the mailbox. I told him that the lace is very becoming on him.
MomSense
@Ken:
The Governor of SD criticized Governor Mills of Maine. She was asked about it today. Let’s just say she put that idiot in her place.
prostratedragon
@Ohio Mom: Chelsea! Was a village until about 20 years ago, when it upgraded its charter to a town, I’ll have you know.
ETA: Chelsea is in the southeastern part of Michigan, about 15-20 miles west of Ann Arbor and (I think) in the same county.
Baud
@MomSense: Do you have a link?
Bill Arnold
@debbie:
A year-zero gmail account, my nym lower case with a dot at gmail.com, and a common name.
I also get email from India’s PM N. Modi, from Tom Fitton at judicialwatch, from Congressman Jason Smith, and others. (The Modi one popped up hours after I criticized aspects of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program.)
They’re a window into RW America (and India).
Isua
@ Ohio Mom – I think it’s Chelsea, Michigan. Went to an AMAZING restaurant there once and it’s a very cute town.
Bill Arnold
@Baud:
I might have a story about the origins of the Space Force.
Geminid
@Martin: If I was a Texas republican official and the trump campaign asked what was a good place and time for a presidential visit, I’d wave them off, tell them we’re cool, the president can do more good in another state.
MomSense
@schrodingers_cat:
It’s such a mess. They were supposed to get married, but my friend works in a hospital and for Covid reasons she was quarantining and I think that played a part. He was a professor in Venezuela and basically fled with nothing because his life was in danger. She’s distraught but a I’m going to try to meet and find out more details.
Ken
I was joking, though I would point out that two weeks ago very few thought Trump would have to worry about Texas.
MomSense
@Baud:
You have to scroll down to the daily briefing video embedded at the bottom of the page.
https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/coronavirus/index.shtml CDC briefing
To put things in perspective, we have had some of the lowest rates of infection in the country consistently until a trump super spreader rally and some churches decided they don’t have to follow the laws of man. They held services that caused ancillary outbreaks. Ugh.
ETA skip to 46/47 to see the comment
Bill Arnold
@Ken:
The Trump campaign emails are heavily booby-trapped. Every link is a tracker. So far I have not (to my knowledge) clicked on a link, so they should have no reason to believe that the email address has a Trump or Trump-curious voter behind it. Somebody probably signed me up, perhaps by accident.
Baud
@MomSense: Thanks.
Suzanne
@MomSense: I’m so, so sorry for your friend.
Once again: FUCK 2020.
MomSense
@Suzanne:
I’m so sorry to hear your news. I missed it last night. I’d like to help. Can you share the link again? Or the thread?
burnspbesq
@Timurid:
‘The markets understand this. That’s why the Dow was off more than four percent today. If any of your friends are confused, suggest they look at the balance in their 401(k) or IRA.
HumboldtBlue
I’m gonna say less than 10 percent of the people in Trump’s audience have any fucking clue who Nigel Farage is.
sdhays
@Martin: Shouldn’t he be in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania because if he can’t win at least 2 of those, he’s cooked anyway, with or without Texas?
Baud
@MomSense: Nice.
debbie
@Bill Arnold:
I bet they are, though I’d pull the shades down. ?
HumboldtBlue
@burnspbesq:
The Covid death numbers are still going to outweigh Wall Street concerns. People are worried about what to do for Thanksgiving and I’m not sure how many people are going to care what the GDP is.
Sloane Ranger
@HumboldtBlue: On behalf of the British people I apologise for the existence of Nigel Farage.
sdhays
@Bill Arnold: It irritates me that anyone writes “Space Force” and not “Space Farce”, which is much more accurate.
ETA: Not intended as admonishment to anyone here. More of just a comment on how absolutely stupid the whole thing is.
MomSense
@Suzanne:
I’ve been knitting wash/dishcloths that say FUCK 2020. It’s therapeutic. If anyone wants some, I’ll send them to you at cost.
Mo Salad
I’m still pissed that that area of Michigan has both a Chelsea and a Manchester but no Liverpool.
HumboldtBlue
We all know Trump treats women like dogs but has sweet Jesus spanking Mary Magdalene’s ass while the apostles play a tune, Martha McSally has no self-respect. How embarrassing.
craigie
@Geminid:
If I were a Texas republican official…
/pedant
Immanentize
@Baud: Damn, that’s good.
slightly_peeved
@Martin:
I believe the scenario is Biden losing PA & FL, but taking MI, WI and AZ.
That gets him to 269, so NE-02 puts him over the top.
Omnes Omnibus
@Sloane Ranger: Yeah, well, mumble, mumble….
piratedan
@Suzanne: well we both have a sneaking suspicion just how crazy Mojave County is, I believe that is Paul Gosar’s stomping grounds, the guy who’s own family doesn’t even vote for him, so it would be a real shocker to find out that Kingman has some “issues”.
West of the Cascades
@What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: “Mandate from the voters” is a useful response to Mitch, but “go fuck yourself” is simpler and useful even if the margin is a bare Democratic victory.
debbie
@MomSense:
I’d be interested in a few of them, if you want to provide a link.
Kay
So funny.
HumboldtBlue
@Sloane Ranger:
Accepted. Sorry about Trump.
@Kay:
I just read that Tweet as well.
trollhattan
@Rand Careaga:
Let’s see Ben Sasse release an “I voted Biden” and then I’ll be impressed. Not that Flake’s video is unwelcome, but it’s an easy thing for a retired politician.
Ksmiami
@Timurid: the market took a ginormous dump today and everyone knows the gdp numbers were pulling from q4
trollhattan
@Kay:
I’m beginning to get the impression perhaps Li’l Brett wasn’t a very hardworking student.
bluehill
Given the record early voting numbers and assuming those leaning heavily dem, has anyone tried to figure out how much more repub turnout is needed in the swing states on 11/3 to counter? I saw some tweets that repub turnout was ramping up in FLA and matching the dems.
Baud
@Kay:
Supreme Shade.
burnspbesq
Kamala including a stop in McAllen on her Friday agenda feels like spiking the football.
‘If Biden carries the state, but MJ loses and Rs retain control of the Assembly, that will be a draw that feels like two points lost rather than one point gained.
zhena gogolia
@Cheryl Rofer:
I love that!
Sebastian
@Sloane Ranger:
My pet theory is that Trump’s rallies will achieve significant COVID spread among his base who will be too sick to vote on 11/3. Significant enough to be measurable and perhaps even giving us a surprise victory here and there.
Kay
@HumboldtBlue:
I think the Trump justices have no earthly idea how much pushback there is going to be if they fuck with this election. People are just primed for a fight. Sick of it.
trollhattan
@Bill Arnold:
Would be moar better if it read:
“Contribute $5 RIGHT NOW and it becomes a MILLYUN DOLLARS!!!“
frosty
Yes! Thanks for this.
Ken
@Sloane Ranger: Darn, we get the quiet, polite form of the British apology. I was hoping for the invective-filled, spittle-flecked, three-paragraph tirade filled with unusual British slang that I have to look up in a dictionary.
Sloane Ranger
@HumboldtBlue:
Accepted.
MomSense
@debbie:
I can’t get the Etsy link to my mostly dead page to work. My shop is MaineCoastMade on etsy Message me and I’ll send some to you. Let me know what colors you like.
In the meantime I’ll try to restart my site
Immanentize
@Ken: Or try one more time to bed Noem and get a contract for his face on Rushmore.
Geminid
@craigie: nah, not a pedant. Good correction.
Ken
@Kay: Earlier today, I noted that the Court has always worked under the shadow of the other two branches saying, “Now, about that Marbury vs. Madision decision…” Especially since Congress is given explicit authority to regulate and make exceptions to the Court’s appellate jurisdiction.
Calouste
@Kay: I think that also a shot across the bow of the “Supreme” Court that the states (Democratic ones at least) are not going to abide by bullshit decisions the injustices hand down.
Kay
@Baud:
“by Justice Kavanaugh”
He has angered the voting experts.
germy
Baud
@Kay:
To be fair, the justices are overworked. Priority # 1 for the Dems is to get them some help.
Kay
@Calouste:
Exactly. That’s why I’m so delighted.
They are voting experts, state voting officials, and Covid has been hard for them. It’s a lot of additional work. The last thing they need is this creep barging in and creating chaos.
Immanentize
@Bill Arnold: Interested….
RaflW
@Bill Arnold:
There’s something jus a little off about the syntax “I’ve authorized all gifts to increase their impact by 900%”.
It implies a huge match, but at least of the letter text posted, match is never mentioned. This sounds like any number of Trump E.O.s that ‘authorize’ this or that, like his massively bogus pre-existing conditions E.O.
So, be careful with your donation! );
Felanius Kootea
@HumboldtBlue: Ugh. She deserves to lose just for having no self-respect and putting up with that, but groveling is the new Republican way.
Mark Kelly is a better human being and will be a much better Senator.
LurkerNoLonger
@schrodingers_cat: It is he should be afraid not us.
We are the ones who knock!
SFBayAreaGal
@Baud: I like the way you think.
HumboldtBlue
@Kay:
I agree completely, I think the right wing is understimating the deep anger that’s being expressed peacefully (for the most part) right now but if they provide the spark this might erupt.
HumboldtBlue
@Calouste:
I believe it was the Penn. Gov who said something along the lines “John Roberts can rule as he wants he can then come to Pennsylvania and enforce his ruling.”
People aren’t going to abide this shit.
PsiFighter37
@burnspbesq: The change in Texas was always going to come from the top of the ticket. Just look at VA – first Obama won it, then they broke VA’s habit of picking governors from opposite parties in 2013, now they control every part of state government, and next year we get to un-gerrymander the state and make it even more blue-friendly.
In TX, the first step is Biden winning the state. If Dems pick off the State House, that will be a welcome – and ahead of its time – leap in terms of un-gerrymandering the state. I am optimistic that we will win a non-presidential statewide election this decade given how turbocharged Trump has accelerated the trends there.
PsiFighter37
@HumboldtBlue: That was something you read on this blog…basically someone adapting what Andrew Jackson said after John Marshall ruled against him (believe it had to do with forced Cherokee relocation from Georgia). It would be great if someone clever enough for Wolf told him to do that, though, if it comes to it.
HumboldtBlue
@Ken:
They’re so good at the spittle-flecked invective because they practice!
debbie
@MomSense:
Got it. Thanks.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: Can you send me a photo so I can add it to this thread?
J R in WV
@cain:
Why would you be pissed at Biden? It was Trump and his staff that fucked all those people!!! … ;~)
RaflW
@Kay: Yesterday I started thinking about how long the drive would take from Minneapolis to DC. I’m thinking one motel night en route to protesting at the Court building. I’m that primed to flip out with anger.
Kay
@HumboldtBlue:
I saw a thing on twitter where local media asked a voter who had been waiting hours to vote how long he had been waiting and he said “4 years”
They will not be thwarted :)
Immanentize
@MomSense: no items listed….
HumboldtBlue
@PsiFighter37:
That makes sense and you’re right, I did read it here.
@Kay:
The numbers don’t lie by tomorrow 80 million or so will have cast a ballot. We’ve never seen an election play out like this, then again, these are unprecedented times.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: It’s a kindness, really.
TS (the original)
@Martin:
There were probably more magas from Iowa at that virus spreader than from Omaha
WaterGirl
Germy put this up:
What are the implications? Seems like a big deal, why is no one commenting on this?
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
Ok emailed it
schrodingers_cat
@MomSense: Was he out of status? She needs to talk to a good immigration attorney ASAP. UMaine International Programs Office might be able to suggest someone.
CarolPW
@MomSense: Put me down for 4 dishcloths, at a lot more than cost. I need stocking stuffers and am pissed as hell.
NotMax
@RaflW
While not completely analogous, I once drove non-stop (except for gasoline and potty interruptions) from Minneapolis to NYC in 21 hours. That was during the time the speed limit had been lowered to 55.
RaflW
@burnspbesq: I think McAllen is about a longer play. Kamala is the obvious next potus front-runner. Rio Grande voters will be key to Texas being sustainably blue. If in a couple years she stumps there, she’ll be coming back to the region, not ‘finally seeking to make inroads with Latinos’ as our f*cking NYT would otherwise put it.
A Ghost to Most
@schrodingers_cat
That’s funny, and sad. Whatcha gonna do, bury him in postcards?
WaterGirl
Photo from MomSense!
PsiFighter37
@WaterGirl: The implication is that Kavanaugh realized he made a mistake in referencing Bush v. Gore so explicitly, and Roberts (since they seem like buds) told him not to blow dry powder on an election that is looking more like a blowout. He likely also told Barrett not to bother participating as a result.
Maybe that’s a cynical take, but Roberts is smart, and he realizes that SCOTUS and the court system will be the only bulwark against an increasingly progressive nation – so he is going to do his darndest to spend his bullets on offensive rulings once the threat of court rebalancing is past.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: That looks great! What are the dimensions? Are these available in various colors?
MoCA Ace
What little I think of Jeff Flake can fit comfortably in my empty bag of Fucks… with plenty of room for all of my concern for every republican ever.
Zzyzx
@PsiFighter37: they are reserving the right to make the change retroactively, which is even worse. They can wait to see how PA is going before deciding to toss the votes.
HumboldtBlue
Joy Reid brought on election experts to answer questions and concerns from folks have about the election. It’s more public service than news and much-needed right now.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: here is my comment:.
Lickspittle court declines invitation to fully reveal their nature as a lickspittle court.
Alternative read: Trump Justices unwilling to fully break with the Chief Justice until after election results are in.
Second alternative: Justice Beer has been sent to the penalty box until further notice and is not allowed to again stupidly open his yap for three months.
WaterGirl
@PsiFighter37: @Immanentize:
So does that mean PA can count the ballots that arrive after midnight Nov 3?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: They aren’t rushing to get involved. I would expect that they, like everyone else, would like this to resolve itself. If there are enough votes that someone full on wins without getting into the weeds on postmarks, they don’t have to do squat. I would bet that the majority of the Court would love to see this election go by without any more Court involvement.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: pure!!!
HumboldtBlue
@MomSense:
That’s wonderful, great work.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I just got a campaign fund-raising email from Tim Curry for the Rocky Horror Reunion WI fundraiser
Because 2020
Maybe somebody cleverer than I could rewrite “You better wise up, Janet Weiss” to fit Susan Sarandon’s more recent blunders
RaflW
@NotMax: Yeah I don’t want to do the senior diaper/creepy stalker thing. My max daily duration is around nine actual at-the-wheel hours, plus stops.
I once (18 years ago?) did Bakersfield to Albuquerque in one go, with no cruise control. Good God my right leg was wrecked. At least you could blast AZ at 80 right along with other traffic, I’m assuming the limit was 75 by then as I’m usually a 4 over sort of driver.
jl
@WaterGirl: There is a lot of comment on Josh Marshall’s twitter feed, and a post on SCOTUSblog
Amy Howe Independent Contractor and Reporter, Posted Wed, October 28th, 2020 8:02 pm
Court will not weigh in on Pennsylvania’s mail-in ballot deadline before election
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/10/court-will-not-weigh-in-on-pennsylvanias-mail-in-ballot-deadline-before-election/#more-297337
As I understand it, it creates a problem since SCOTUS is not ruling on the merits now, just denying PA GOP opportunity to get the case resolved before the election. The main problem is if some court makes a final ruling after election day, then it sets up chance that the election rules are changed after the election takes place. So, maybe BS like this is the reason PA decided to segregate mail ballots that arrived after election day: that will make a quick clean count easier.
Kay
@HumboldtBlue:
It is. It’s wild. Just amazing turnout. The judges should just get out of the way. They’re not going to be able to hold this back.
MisterForkbeard
@Immanentize: I think that’s basically correct.
There’s no reason for them to get involved now. 3 conservative judges have said that they reserve the right to toss out a bunch of ballots after the election if they need to, but they can’t get into it now so they’re just going to shrug.
Barrett didn’t participate because she doesn’t have clerks and didn’t have enough time to read any of briefs, etc. She didn’t recuse.
All of it adds up to “we’re not going to make people really angry about throwing out these Democratic votes unless we need to do it to steal the election.”
Suzanne
@MomSense: Here’s the link to donate to Amira’s memorial.
This is just so fucking sad. My heart is in a million pieces for her mom.
sanjeevs
Anyone know why the Pennsylvania early vote is so low?
It’s only 32% of the total 2016 vote whilst Texas is 91%, Florida is 72%. Every other competitive state is at least 40%. Seems strange when it’s obviously going to be a focus of ratfuckery on election day.
https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html
chopper
@MomSense:
oh, i’m in. lamb runner at gmail (former all one word). screw it, i’ll take two.
PsiFighter37
@Zzyzx: No – Gorsuch, Alito, and Uncle Tom have that position. Which means that 5 on SCOTUS (liberals + Roberts + Kavanaugh) did not agree. So it’s a stupid temper tantrum that nonetheless should throw serious doubt on Gorsuch’s ability to be an impartial judge, despite a couple of his surprise rulings this past term in favor of the liberal position.
Zzyzx
@WaterGirl: No. They might separate them out and let the court later decide if they are to count or not.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-pennsylvania-mail-ballots/2020/10/28/fe78439a-1936-11eb-82db-60b15c874105_story.html
Suzanne
@MoCA Ace: Jeff Flake is a total piece of shit. And he has that ultra-passive vaguely cheerful Mormon blandness covering the mendacity.
Omnes Omnibus
@A Ghost to Most: Aside from bitching at us from the sidelines, what are you going to do? Lead by example. s_c became a fucking citizen so she could be a part of the process. Can you top that?
frosty
@Sloane Ranger: If you want to apologize, you have to get in line behind us for more reasons than I care to count right now.
PsiFighter37
@sanjeevs: As someone who went to college in PA, it is very simple: Pennsylvania never had early voting before; it was Election Day or bust. So it is very likely an ingrained behavior for many residents. Same thing goes for NYC (aside from the dreadfully low number of locations set up) – this is the first major election where you could vote early, in person, in NY state, thanks to Democrats finally taking the State Senate from the GOP in 2018.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
abandoning suburban housewives, trump decides to go all in on the Joe Rogan Meathead demo
Tomorrow, Joe Biden challenges trump to no-handsies ramp race.
Zzyzx
@sanjeevs:
because it’s more difficult to get the ability to early vote there as opposed to other states. A friend of mine in Philly reported 3-4 hour waits to get ballots.
Redshift
@burnspbesq: There’s plenty of poli sci research that the measurable effect of “the economy” on elections is based on people’s personal experience of how the economy is, not announcements of government statistics. I’m always mildly amused at how GOP administrations try to manipulate the stats because they think it will help somehow. And in addition, we are well past the point when economic trends have that effect. Let Trump crow.
Suzanne
@WaterGirl: Dude I need some. Christmas is coming and I have some family who will find those hilarious. MomSense, do you have a link or an Etsy?
jl
@PsiFighter37: ” Maybe that’s a cynical take, but Roberts is smart, and he realizes that SCOTUS and the court system will be the only bulwark against an increasingly progressive nation ”
Every adult who can function on his or her own in the world has a longer time horizon than Trump. One hope for avoiding horrible court decisions that will have to be fixed somehow in the future is that the long game people in the GOP decide that their best chance over long term is to cut Trump loose this November. They figure their crooked judges can hold things off until they can retool and rebuild. I admit that is a hope, we can’t count on it.
Not sure how this changes D strategy, the plan was always to GOTV through their voters as early as possible, and also go after early in-person voting wherever possible where covid risk was acceptable.
Kay
OMG:
sanjeevs
@PsiFighter37: Ok thanks
HumboldtBlue
@Kay:
And as Omnes and Forkbeard have pointed out the SC wants this election to be decided without them.
RaflW
@sanjeevs: Texas has had no excuse early voting for decades. I’m pretty sure I early voted at my food coop in a state election, and I left TX in 1995. I’d bet PA has been one of the restrictive, difficult to excuse absentee states before this election. It takes a while for people used to election day voting to shift.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: Yes. Until further notice?
It’s actually a very interesting breakdown of theories. Roberts says that State Courts can have a say about State election laws, but federal courts cannot. Kav/Gorsuch say only State legislatures
have power over election means and procedures.
The latter opinion is a novel crazy position, because, reading Article I like that probably also means the SCOTUS cannot overturn CONGRESSIONAL acts restricting state legislatures. Because the very same article relied on by K/G and the 14th and 15th give express Congressional grants re: voting.
If K/G are right, Holder (striking down Sec. 5) is unconstitutional as a Court intrusion into a political Q.
Roberts sees the trap. The new Portnoys miss it.
Suzanne
@sanjeevs: As someone who just moved to PA, I can also tell you that first-time voters in PA have to vote in person, and early voting here isn’t the same as early voting in other states. You have to request the ballot via mail before you go to vote, then bring it with you. It’s not like on Election Day where you just show up with your ID.
JMG
@RaflW: Texas southern border territory is very Democratic, but also a low turnout area. Harris’s visit is to try and boost late turnout. They really think they can win Texas.
debbie
@Suzanne:
Here.
debbie
@Kay:
And did she obey like a good little girl?
jl
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeeshush Lord in Heaven. I looked at that thread. Things got weird long before that clip.
At least Trump is reaching for new material for that open-mic standup night patter he does at his rallies. Kind of late to try that kind of edgy stuff out, though.
Might make for some good clips for last minute oppo ads that, I think correctly, make the case that besides everything else, Trump is a fricken nutcase. Don’t have to fake anything or take anything out of context.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: video
he’s too bored by the sound of other people’s voices, and she’s a girl, and she’s making him look bad by losing
couldn’t happen to more self-debasing hack
I’ve noticed in the last few days that after insisting the prop-people on camera behind him wear masks, they’re not bothering anymore. Bored with that, too.
WaterGirl
Appreciate all the answers on the FSC. (Fucking Supreme Court)
Kathleen
@Cheryl Rofer: I. LOVE. THAT. AD. Loved your shout out to PeNoone
Immanentize
@PsiFighter37: I think the actual count/makeup is unknown. It takes 5 to overturn a stay. There are only eight participating. Same result, no stay lifting.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: I feel like the stories of reading the Talmud and you have to stop and research this or that and then go back to reading. Now I have to go see what the heck Section 5 is.
HumboldtBlue
@debbie:
Yup
jl
@Immanentize: I read that the totally corrupt reactionaries’ theory also says that state legislature action can over rule state constitution on election law. Did I misunderstand that? That seems too crazy. And if the courts can’t rule on what state constitution says, who can?
Seems to over ride the conservative legal maxim that where rules can be violated, a remedy must be found (IIRC).
IANAL, help help! BJ legal flying wedge, please help me.
HumboldtBlue
Someone asked online which person has really taken center stage during the pandemic and election. Lots of Sarah Coopers and such, but for me it’s Pete Buttigieg.
I paid him no mind during the primary but he’s been on fire for the past few weeks.
H.E.Wolf
Well, while some folks have been kvetching on the sidelines, that’s exactly what many of us have been doing. :)
3 million+ GOTV postcards have been mailed to FL Democrats in the past 2 years by one volunteer group alone: http://PostcardsToVoters.org… that’s enough to bury the entire Mar-A-Lago compound (consults seat of pants) oh, about 7 feet deep.
/math genius
ETA: not a link genius, but I think I fixed it.
Redshift
@jl:
Yep, the briefing we got back in September from the Virginia campaign was that we were going to be encouraging people to request ballots or make a plan for early voting if they felt they could safely, then follow up with making sure they received and returned their ballots, and around mid-October tell them not to mail them, either drop them off or vote in person instead.
(I’ve seen a few posts on Twitter this week from activist types who should know better than “omg, we should organize to make sure people drop off their ballots instead of mailing them more!” Are they not even checking with the campaign, or do they just assume the campaign can’t possibly be as smart as them?)
frosty
@sanjeevs: PA doesn’t start counting early votes until election day. If you want to make sure your vote is counted in time, it’s best to vote in person 11/3.
H.E.Wolf
And furthermore, schrodingers_cat has been a politically active citizen, for which I have the utmost respect. Thank you for your service!
MoCA Ace
@Kay:
That’s his standard patter with hookers too!
Sab
@Isua: Home of Jiffy cornbread mix.
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue:
Pete is fantastic!
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: I think it is a big chunk of your second alternative.
Immanentize
@jl: The pure idea is that because the Constitution, Art. 1 voting clause basically reserves the manner and means of voting to state legislatures — as far as federal Courts are concerned under the US constitution — State legislative actions trump State laws and constitutions but do not trump US constitutional provisions. It’s one of the worst textualist or Originalist theories evah!
Art. I, Sec. IV:
jl
@Redshift: Thanks for your reports, I appreciate it. I’m just doing some random phone banking when I can this year, mainly giving $.
Immanentize
I mean, what an idiot move when credibility is already being questioned. Justice Beer just had an entire STATE! (Vermont) rebuke him for sloppy research. I never saw that before.
Baud
@Immanentize:
why does that clause apply to the electoral college?
jl
@Redshift: ‘ they just assume the campaign can’t possibly be as smart as them? ‘
I’ve notice a lot of twitterers assume that about everyone. Sometimes I wonder how many are paid trolls to confuse things on that platform. But, a lot of self-righteous arrogant people in the world, and twitter seems to be an irresistible magnet for them.
J R in WV
@JMG:
My RWNJ brother lives in Texas, loves it there. He has a gun safe that when they move, a special forklift comes into the house to move it out to the moving truck. Recently moved into a “Villages” like retirement community just north of San Antonio. 3 gold courses, two gun ranges.
So hoping TX becomes a blue state starting RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
jl
@Immanentize: thanks, I guess that answers my question about the oddities of the reactionaries’ position.
Immanentize
@Baud: it doesn’t directly in its language, but remember we do not vote for candidates. We vote in reality for electors who represent candidates. Still.
HumboldtBlue
@zhena gogolia:
He really is and he’s got one hell of a bright future.
Sally
@Felanius Kootea: You have just explained why trump has vetoed Ms Okonjo-Iweala. She’s black, competent, sane, not a yes person, EVERYONE else likes her for that role at the WTO, which trump also hates, and I’d add that she’s female. Can’t have ANY of that now, can we!
Please ignore him, delegates!
Jinchi
He’d already revealed himself as a former Trump official who’d defected. Admitting to writing the Anonymous article actually makes him less credible.
Immanentize
@J R in WV: I have comments about such places north of San Antonio. Hate them! But I gotta sleep. Long damn day.
Baud
@Immanentize:
seems problematic, if you’re going to overturn a state court decision interpreting state law on ballots for electors.
of course, all these ballots also include congressional races, so that really does implicate down ticket races.
debbie
@Immanentize:
Sounds like he’s one of the low-quality hires Kay refers to so often.
Geminid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Last night Joni Ernst went over to Omaha for the trump rally and sat in the crowd. All she got was a perfunctory shout out, even though a (male) Iowa congressional candidate was on the stage, with a speaking role. I think trump knows he’s losing badly, his campaign is broke, and he just does not give a shit. That’s why if I were a republican official, I would not want him in my state. He is going to be horrible the next few days.
Immanentize
@Baud: It’s crazy! Roberts sees that problem and believes it is a federalism problem. Justice Beer says it’s a textualist grant of power solely to State legislatures. Considering the framers really were suspicious of State legislative tyranny — with ironically the PA legislature as exhibit one of excessive legislative power — it is Crazy Eddie INSANE to think the Framers intended such power to reside solely in a State legislature without other State legal constraints.
Immanentize
@debbie: it seems there may be three such low quality hires now on the Court.
Tenar Arha
@WaterGirl: it’s this
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@cain: I think this is a preview of what Trump will do after the election; lash how at his base for not loving him enough.
WaterGirl
@Tenar Arha: Thanks, reading now.
Geminid
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I think trump even more will lash out at republican office holders for not standing up for him. Even though he always got their votes on legislation. His loss will be their fault, because it can’t be his fault. And he has no loyalty to anyone but himself.
geg6
@Suzanne:
You don’t need ID to vote in PA. Just want to be sure the correct info is here. No ID is required in PA. Was a big court case over it a few years ago and the PA SC said it was unconstitutional under the state constitution.
Bill Arnold
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Donald J. Trump, who went to a military high school, Does Not Know How To Make A Fist!.
Seriously. The “fists” in his “fist pumps” would break if they hit something hard like bone. The thumb needs to be tight against the fingers.
(this from 2016 says that he got into physical altercations in high school. His current “fists” suggest that they were not fistfights.)
WaterGirl
@Tenar Arha: That lays it out very clearly. Thank you.
Middlelee
@MomSense: I am really late to the thread and you may never see this. I would love some of your dishcloths. Like 10. It would do my whole Xmas shopping list.
Ohio Mom
Isua & Sab : we ate in that great restaurant — it was a surprise there was a restaurant like that in such a small, out-of-the-way town but I think that reflects Jeff Daniel’s influence on Chelsea.
And we ate there after touring the Jiffy Mix plant. Which was filled with what must have been original, creaky, rickety-ticky equipment — mixers, conveyers, everything looked ancient.
We also stopped in Holland, which I believe is where Betsy DeVos hails from. Whole place had a weird antiseptic vibe.
Ohio Mom
Middlelee:
Momsense contact info can be found above in comment #157.
Matt McIrvin
@WaterGirl: Sounds like they’re not stating the ballots can’t be counted, but are reserving the right to order them shredded AFTER the election. Worst of both worlds.
It’s gotten to the point that I’m suspicious of any report that SCOTUS will allow counting of late ballots; it sounds like a trap, to get people to vote that way so their ballots can be invalidated later.
Achrachno
@Martin: Why do we even think the numbers will be accurate? Trump has corrupted all agencies and has them doing tricks for his benefit.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Federalist aren’t there for the Culture Wars, they are all about Corporate Citizenship. My prediction is they will let their freak flag fly over the tax increases to pay for the pandemic control.
brantl
Flake is just Collins or Murkowski in drag, he was feckless about Kavanaugh.
Uncle Cosmo
@HumboldtBlue: Niggle Falange? Once the Brits get their country back from BoJo & Fiends, he’ll be near the front of the line for the woodchipper.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Geminid: He has, but it’s harder for him to hurt them directly like he did to those rally goers. Think about it, he literally abandoned them in the cold.
Middlelee
@Ohio Mom: TY
mvr
I’ll just say that Flake has more integrity than Sasse, one of my two bad senators, who has gotten way to much cred for no real opposition.
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@MomSense:
That was impressive, and 100% Maine. She didn’t actually suggest her fellow governor pour herself a nice big cup of pumpkin-spice Shut-the-Fuck-Up, but you could see the thought was there.
Kent
Something really big is happening in Texas folks.
With almost a week left until election day, the early vote in Texas is already at 91.2% of the total vote in 2016. Yes, the state has grown, but wow. The state is lit right now and leading the nation in the number of early votes with 8.2 million already cast
We are completely off the map right now.
https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html
rikyrah
@MomSense:
????
rikyrah
@MomSense:
How can I get a couple?
MomSense
Sorry I fell asleep early last night. I’ll go through the thread and pull nyms and numbers. You can also message me on my old Etsy. Right now I have the same color as in the picture, teal and off white. If there are other colors you want let me know and I’ll pick them up. The cloths are all cotton and machine washable.
Aleta
@MomSense: @MomSense:
I searched but wasn’t able to find your shop to message you on etsy; no idea why. Yes I’d love some, or even 1. … 5-6 if possible, to give to a few people here who need encouraging after hard year. Any blue or teal or any color. Thanks.
Also wondering if you take orders, for $, for other small things?
gmail: 2sawhorses at ….
No One You Know
@Tim C.: I blame the fascists who show up to turn peaceful street theater into street threatener. And then go into hiding.
Miss Bianca
@Ohio Mom: Chelsea, MI
The Purple Rose Theater
Yeah, I know it’s a dead thread
MomSense
@a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio:
Full disclosure, I am very close with the family. One of the best nights of this summer was my youngest playing guitar and our gov singing along. They share a favorite song and songwriter. Dylan of course. She had some good stories about him from when they were both in San Fran.
rikyrah
@WaterGirl:
I love this??
rikyrah
@Suzanne:
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frosty
@geg6: @Suzanne: Dead thread but here’s the answer anyway. First time and infrequent voters need an ID. I asked the election judge in 2016 why so many voters were getting asked for it and that was his answer. Unfortunately they were all new Trump voters.